Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bumblebee (Transformers)

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The result was keep per WP:SNOW and the nominator being blocked as a sock. See here. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bumblebee (Transformers)

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Fictional character which does not meet WP:GNG as there are no reliable independent sources which provide significant coverage. Blest Withouten Match (talk) 17:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Bumblebee was one of the main characters, arguably the most recognisable besides Optimus Prime and Megatron. The sub articles Bumblebee (Transformers Animated) and Bumblebee (other incarnations) should probably be merged into this one and severely cut down to only the sourcable stuff, but that's not an AFD issue. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Bumblebee is much less obscure compared to the ones I nominated for deletion. Really, if we delete this, I can maybe use that in an argument to remove most individual Kamen Riders. NotARealWord (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh good grief keep Shall we nominate Gandalf or Batman next? Jclemens (talk) 19:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the reliable independent sources which have covered this character ? Blest Withouten Match (talk) 19:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Are you asserting that you followed WP:BEFORE and could not find any? Seriously? Jclemens (talk) 21:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this one is easily one of the, I'd say top 5 most recognizable iconic characters in the Transformers series. And as for reliable independent sources, my response to that is that this is the best case for WP:IAR that I can think of having seen at AFD. Not saying improvements can't be made, and that some RSS wouldn't make this article much better, but I just can't see consensus leaning towards anything other than a WP:SNOW keep with this one. BOZ (talk) 20:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I feel pretty much the same way about Grimlock and Jazz (Transformers), although neither is as iconic as Bumblebee; I'll have to find the time to review the other recent Transformers AFDs though. BOZ (talk) 20:21, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Definite keep but get rid of the fancruft, fansites and better sourcing. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A perfunctory search will find sufficient coverage of this character. My guess is that there are between a half dozen to 10 core Transformers characters with some third party interest (Optimus Prime, Megatron, Starscream come immediately to mind). Many of the characters or Macguffins in the series and movies are ephemeral--we aren't likely to find too much about them even with a thorough and diligent search. But the major characters are probably covered enough to meet our inclusion guidelines. Protonk (talk) 21:53, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and this goes for Goldbug too. GoodDay (talk) 22:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, for many of the above reasons and more. Mathewignash (talk) 22:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Bumblebee and all related articles One of the most notable and well seen characters in the series, throughout the various cartoon series, comic books series, and toy lines. Dream Focus 22:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am seeing a lot of people saying 'keep - because I heard about it', but I am not seeing any third party reliable sources being added to the article. delete. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 22:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources covering the topic are what is necessary for the GNG, not present in the article. Protonk (talk) 22:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - based on the {{find}} searches above, there appears to be significant coverage. PhilKnight (talk) 23:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Seriously, all I'm seeing here is a bunch of fan people who are bent on protecting a bunch train wrecks cause the subjects had some role in a franchise every afternoon after school. Although he may have some nobility, none has been provided here. Many of the source used here automatically fail as reliable. Which a lot of these articles are plagued with. Until proper notability can be established, all information on Bumblebee incarnations should be moved to more relevant character lists. Sarujo (talk) 00:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. I'm certainly an avowed fanboy intent on keeping article trainwrecks around. You really hit the nail on the head there. Protonk (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Redirect to what Sarujo? Mathewignash (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I wouldn't think many secondary fictional characters (short of Falstaff) are really "encyclopedic", but Wikipedia has largely redefined what "encyclopedic" means. Bumblebee seems at least as significant to the Transformer's universe as Mew is to the Pokemon universe. Please pick your poison and apply it universally. If you go by "third-party sources", Bumblebee seems to qualify. Gimmetoo (talk) 01:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
NOTE The nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Claritas. An uninvolved administrator should probably close this now. See ANI for details, if you really want 'em. Jclemens (talk) 05:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep as a sockpuppet nomination by Claritas (talk · contribs). No prejudices against renomination after a week to give time for the other butt-load of Transformers AfDs to worth themselves through, which may give guidance on what to do with this article. —Farix (t | c) 23:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This character co-starred in FOUR major motion pictures. He has dozens of toys. He's appeared in countless comic books. Who knows how many video games? Heck, he even got killed by G.I.Joe once. Lots42 (talk) 23:09, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.