Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flip-flop (sex)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Top and bottom. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 12:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flip-flop (sex)

Contested prod. This term, even if not totally a neologism, is still just not notable enough to sustain a full encyclopedia article. It is a dictionary entry at best. Powers ^T 14:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NONSENSE, WP:DICTIONARY, WP:NPOV. The article even tries to masculinize gay sex: "Especially very masculine men allow themselves to be penetrated anally only after they have penetrated their partner and therefore have proven their masculinity." WTF?! I don't hold a grudge against homosexuality, but this steps out of the line. -- RUL3R^{*flaming | *vandalism} 15:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:MADEUP the term seems to be coined by someone on an online dictionary. (note: unable to verify non-linked sources) --Bsay~~USD~~CSU[ π ] 16:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete:WP:MADEUP until we can find a decent reference for it.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 17:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. -- –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Snow delete per above. Urban dictionary is not a reliable source. Tim Song (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This term has NOT been made up, but instead it is in use since at least 1976. Some examples: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23] [24] [Here I listed further 26 porn sites that use the term, but they were blocked somehow.] The term is used even in the she-male scene: [25][26][27]. One of the most famous flip flop flicks is Family Values, directed by Jerry Douglas in 1997[28]. But there are also lots of films carrying the idea of versatility already in their title. Here just three examples: Flip Flop Fuckers, Fuck me, Fuck you, Flip Flop Fuck 2. A pre-condom classic from 1983 is William Higgins' Frat House Memories - "If you find versatile flip flips arousing, this movie provides a bonanza of entertainment."[29].--Meister und Margarita (talk) 18:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Top and bottom#Switch or versatile as a synonym of "switch" or "versatile" --Alynna (talk) 19:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Alas, pretty notable indeed. In that case merge and redirect per above. Otherwise we should cleanup with sulphuric acid. -- RUL3R^{*flaming | *vandalism} 19:27, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I don't like the text in Top and bottom#Switch or versatile at all. It speaks about BDSM and self-bondage, and: "The act of "switching" may also refer to a spontanaeous reversal of roles, initiated by the bottom, who then takes control." This is nonsense. Pretty often it's the top, who decides that he wants to get penetrated - i.e. a huge muscle stud riding on a twinks penis. The concept of flip-flop is a life style represented in sexual encounters between equals and has a lot to do with masculinity. In a flfl both partners want to prove their maleness and their virility, but they are also willing to surrender to another macho male - mostly if he is credible and strong. Contrary to the stereotypes very few gay and bisexual men are feminine, but unfortunately the queens and the dykes dominate the image of GLBT culture on parades and in the media.--Meister und Margarita (talk) 20:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Then you can WP:BOLD and WP:IAR (with WP:V) the article. Just remember to WP:CHILL. -- RUL3R^{*flaming | *vandalism} 20:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you really are a scientologist, you are pretty cool. --Meister und Margarita (talk) 22:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This may not be a made-up term, it may have been around for some time, but even in the GLBT community I have never heard this phrase being used. Nor can I find any references to it which are strong enough to support having an article dedicated to it. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 20:40, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it. There are some ignorants everywhere - even in the LGBT community. I've been flip-flopping for 13 yrs by now, even if you still don't know the proper expression. --Sissy's Horseman (talk) 22:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

— Sissy's Horseman (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Dems on the move (talk) 06:42, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty crude - aren't u? --Meister und Margarita (talk) 22:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable term with a long history of use. At most, move to wikidictionary. Zazaban (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as dickdef. --Ezeu (talk) 23:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I see what you did there. For the record, I'd be okay with a merge, but I didn't suggest it because there didn't seem to be enough here to be worth it. Powers ^T 23:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Top and bottom which also should cover versatile and other related terms. -- Banjeboi 00:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Top and bottom per above. It is a widely used phrase and should not be deleted. –Turian ^talk 01:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Top and bottom. Edison (talk) 01:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as dicdef or redirect to Top and bottom per above. Hairhorn (talk) 07:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow it looks like the BDSM-Community is much more efficient in creating new articles. They have it all:

In my eyes it's okay that also a minority gets the space - but please let's not neglect the mainstream. There is not even an article on being versatile in bed and about Versatility as the corner stone of man-to-man-relationships.--Meister und Margarita (talk) 14:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

weak merge to Top and bottom in sex and BDSM, as an alternative term. Weak as i've never heard this used seriously as an alternative to versatile etc, but it may be a common BDSM term.YobMod 09:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not a common BDSM term either although beach-goers seem to know it well. -- Banjeboi 10:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Top and bottom. As per above, WP:DICDEF is most applicable, but suffice to say an article that boils down to "changing positions during sex" isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia - we might as well include terms for changing one's drink mid-meal. Take it to Wiktionary, it doesn't belong being defined here. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate list. ~ Amory (user • talk • contribs) 15:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.