Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irl A. Gladfelter (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Augustana Catholic Church. MBisanz ^talk 22:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Irl A. Gladfelter

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Per source searches, this subject does not meet WP:BASIC or WP:AUTHOR. Searches are only providing passing mentions. There's a paid obituary linked in the article that provides significant coverage, but this is a primary source that does not serve to establish notability. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:24, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:BASIC -- HighKing⁺⁺ 19:40, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
~~Comment~~ Keep -- The fact that he retired and is now leader emeritus of this denomination should make no difference to his notability. The question is whether having been the head of what is probably a small splinter denomination is enough to make him notable as a bishop. That really depends on the size of the denomination. If it has only a few churches, this would amount to being the minister of a local church, and probably NN. However, the head of a moderate sized denomination will have episcopal oversight over it and may thus be notable. Unfortunately, the article on the denomination gives not indication of its size. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

vote amended in the light of evidence that this is a small (but not negligible) denomination. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:08, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Since Gladfelter left the denomination for Roman Catholicism, I think "leader emeritus" is not the right term, plus he is now dead. That said, per the denomination's website [1] it has a membership in excess of 60,000 in 12 countries. This is way more than the under 18,000 in the Episcopal Diocese of Michigan, yet we have an article on the head of that diocese, over the under 13,000 in the Episcopal Diocese of New Hampshire, the head of which merits an article. Take a look at the article on Stephen T. Lane, whose Episcopal Diocese of Maine has less than 12,000 members. I actually think it is high time we question weather the heads of organizations with less than 12,000 members where the articles are only sourced to organization publications are notable. Yes there are Episcopal bishops who receive widespread coverage in the media, but I think it is high time we question weather that makes every current and past episcopal bishop default notable. However I think Gladfelter is clearly notable and no where near the bottom of the barrel.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Augustana Catholic Church, where he is already mentioned in the list of leaders. Although he is discussed in on the websites of the several denominations with which he was involved, the only secondary source I can find is an obit [2] in the The Daily Star-Journal, a WP:RS, but for notability I would expect to be able to find some additional secondary sources for his career.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested. Good compromise solution. DGG ( talk ) 19:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I'm fine with a redirect to Augustana Catholic Church per the notions presented above. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:35, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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