Wikipedia talk:Ultraviolet/2021/November

New RedWarn feature request

I want to request a new RedWarn feature that is dark mode, it is much comfort to eyes than in light mode. Vitaium (talk) 03:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

We're planning a dark mode soon :) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 19:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Warning messages

Hello! I love this tool a lot, but unfortunately, there's one thing I find a bit lacking: I frequently use the user-made template User:EvergreenFir/kidstv as a warning template (because I watch articles about kids' TV), and I find it tiring to have to go to the template page and/or copy and paste the template link manually every time I wish to warn someone for unsourced date changes. Is there a way I could add this template to RedWarn for myself to make it easier to warn people? Thanks wizzito | say hello! 19:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wizzito You can by using a Template Pack. To use one I just made, go to preferences, select add new template pack, and paste in the code Qwerfjkl/6V4Bop2a5M ― Qwerfjkltalk 19:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Wizzito, absolutely! There's two options, one more technical than the other but you can either add it as a quick template (details here) - the issue with this is that you have to go into the quick template menu instead of the warning menu for this. The other option to make it appear in your own warning menu with everything else is to add it to your own rule database which is at Special:MyPage/redwarnRules.json. As you only have one template make sure that inside the list of "levels" you enter ONLY 0 or 6 - 0 being a "reminder" and 6 being a "policy violation warning". Make sure you also keep the groups together or else you'll see duplicate headers.

Something you might want to add will look like (make sure you remove all the explanatory comments here, they start with //):

"kidsTV": { // An ID used internally by RedWarn
        "name": "Kids TV Warning", // How you'll see it
        "category": "Policy Violation Warnings", // Keep everything together
        "template": "User:EvergreenFir/kidstv", // What template to use
        "warningLevels": [
            6 // Define it as a policy violation warning
        ],
    }

Once you make the edit, open warn user and you should find it. If it's empty or there's an error, check the syntax and try again. Hope this helps :) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 19:49, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

RedWarn patrol... partially works

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Hello! I attempted to use RedWarn patrol, however when I click on a diff, it does absolutely nothing. Not sure if this has something to do with my browser or not. My browser is Opera GX and it's the latest version (from what I know). OS is Windows 10 but that doesn't matter since Windows 10 is supported. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf See Wikipedia:RedWarn/Documentation#RedWarn Patrol, "this feature is broken for the majority of users". ― Qwerfjkltalk 12:42, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

I would assume they have no way to fix it? _{Also I completely forgot I made this} ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:04, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf, we're working on something but at the moment because it isn't very widely used it isn't a priority ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 19:51, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf Try Wikipedia:SWViewer instead. ― Qwerfjkltalk 19:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The installation wizard

Could the installation wizard be updated so it uses a link like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:RedWarn/.js?withJS=MediaWiki:Gadget-script-installer.js, which will run Enterprisey's script installer? ― Qwerfjkltalk 07:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl, that's a good idea, I'll give it a test in my sandbox. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 19:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ed6767 Can you ping me when you've finished so I can add it to a template or two? Thanks! ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl, check it out now :) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 21:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the feature

Just noticed that my testimonial is right at the top of the page - I still stand by that! Crazy to see how much the project has grown since I was first invited to try it out - Kudos to Ed and everybody else for all their hard work :) ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 10:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Error Mesage

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After posting a warn note on the talk page the page reloads with the link "#noticeApplied-1048849960-1048757298" and then an error comes. Instead of loading the page with this link, better to load the page with the link of the section where the latest message was posted, i.e. Month year, like September 2021 Venkat TL (talk) 10:22, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Venkat TL, sorry for the delay in response, this is something we're working to fix. RedWarn doesn't save your last action so for things that let you undo warning somebody for example, the action is put in the URL and it's processed from there. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 19:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ed6767, ok. I trust you all will find a better solution eventually for this. But until that happens, can you suppress the error message from being shown to the user and automatically scroll down to the bottom of the user talk page, (like hitting the End key on the keyboard). Scrolling to the bottom will likely show the recent message that was just posted for the poster to review. Venkat TL (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Using ? or & instead of # would be better, as it triggers the 'find-archived-section ' script. ― Qwerfjkltalk 21:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ed6767 As @Qwerfjkl suggested, I tested here [1] and found that using ? instead of # removes the error. Using & gave another error. Please include "?" in the script for warning user cases. Also please see if my original suggestion of loading the section name with Current Month Year as section title is shown to the RW user. Venkat TL (talk) 11:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Venkat TL, using ? or & submits the content to the server, see URL#Syntax - a fix that uses cookies is planned ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 20:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Marking as minor edit

I see that functions such as quick rollback of unconstructive edits are marked as minor edits, but that according to Help:minor edit the only reversions which should be marked as minor are reversions of clearcut vandalism. Is there a preference which I have got wrong? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @David Biddulph, reversions seem to be marked minor automatically, and there's no option to change this at present. If we add an option to mark edits as minor, that would only work on the pseudo-rollback feature (which is basically glorified undo) and won't effect people with actual rollback unless we force them back onto the other rollback method. I think as long as there's an appropriate edit summary, I think it's inconsequential if reverts are marked as minor but it might be something to be addressed in future. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 01:34, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Am I confused. For me the button for quick rollback of unconstructive edits doesn't offer the opportunity to give an edit summary. Again, is there a preference which I have got wrong? --David Biddulph (talk) 10:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, you haven't messed up any preferences - the quick rollback options for set issues have fixed summaries. Remagoxer ^(talk) 16:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

So it sounds as if I oughtn't to use RedWarn if I want to comply with Help:minor edit? --David Biddulph (talk) 18:58, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Per the {{Information page}} banner at the top, that page is not a policy or guideline. Feel free to continue using RedWarn. We may tweak this in future, but nobody's going to raise issue if you continue to use the tool. Remagoxer ^(talk) 19:38, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

When I warn other people about marking edits as minor when they are obviously not, I would feel uneasy if my own edits don't comply. If I hear that RedWarn is modified in the future I might come back to it. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:43, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi @David Biddulph, sorry to hear you're leaving over this. Quick rollback is "quick" as it fills in an appropriate edit summary for you (as noted in the documentation). To fill in an edit summary, click the blue rollback button and a dialog will open allowing you to enter an edit summary. As @Remagoxer has said, Help:Minor edit is not a policy, and if it were you should see Help:Minor edit#Exceptions and WP:IAR, so you do not need to worry about your use of RedWarn or any other automated tool marking your edits as minor. If there was an immediate policy issue this behaviour would have been modified where possible - however, it is technically impossible for us to change this behaviour for rollback and it is unreasonable to expect us to do so until the MediaWiki software is modified to not mark undo and rollback as minor by default (see [2] which makes no reference to marking as minor). Huggle and other tools do exactly the same as RedWarn and it is standard practice for semi-automated tools as this is what the API does by default. Undo is also automatically marked as minor but unlike rollback we can mark this as not minor, however, that will introduce minor. I hope you understand this and hope you come back to our tool in future. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 19:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Reversions are considered okay minor edits when done with rollback or pseudorollback because you are trusted to rollback for vandalism and problematic edits only. Furthermore, there is an explanation provided when using redwarn reverts. These types of undos are marked minor so they don't clog up watchlists for people who have minor edits disabled. I can see why you would feel uneasy, but only people who deliberately and consistently misuse minor edits in unexplaianble ways get admonishment. Sennecaster (Chat) 22:17, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph, an option to consider is to go into the RedWarn preferences and remove the quick revert buttons. In the RedWarn preferences, click on Buttons, then drag the rollback icons you don't want from Favorites to More Options, and they won't show up anymore. Ravensfire (talk) 16:36, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Redwarn Tag display change

Hi all - I have changed the Redwarn tag from RedWarn to RW due to some previous discussions here i/r/t the use of the word "Warn" for non-warning actions and the fact its a bit shorter Please feel free to let me know if you'd prefer it be changed back ~TheresNoTime ^{(to explain!)} 19:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

RedWarn Team Restructure: I have left the RedWarn Team

Hi all, The RedWarn Team's more ambitious in development projects have been transferred to a new, independent organisation ran by myself. Effective immediately, I have left the RedWarn Team in order to take charge of these projects. You can read more about this decision at User:Ed6767/Teyora. Please discuss this change at User talk:Ed6767/Teyora. Thanks, ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 05:46, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Very cool! Thank you for what you do! WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 05:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Am I going to be the butt of the "RedWarn is for CIRs" joke now? Sad to see you go. Hope to see this new project flourish soon. So long, pardner! Chlod (RW • say hi!) 06:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank u @Chlod, I really appreciate the work you've done and am glad that the project will be in safe hands with you. Excited to see RedWarn 17 soon! :) ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 06:11, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

That had to be a crazy hard decision, but it sounds like the right call to make. Both areas get leadership to move forward and give us the tools that Wikipedia can't/won't develop. Good luck! Ravensfire (talk) 16:24, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Ravensfire, I'd be lying if I said it was an easy decision because it absolutely wasn't. With balancing work, creative contrasts, internal conflicts and everything else, I didn't feel I could make RedWarn it's best, but I'm glad it's in safe hands now who'll keep the tool maintained for everyone, and I can move on to new projects. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 03:34, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Presumably Ed should be removed from the list of users in the RedWarn team, so that the 🤠 doesn't appear after their name. ― Qwerfjkltalk 17:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)