Talk:Bulbasaur (Pokémon)

Directory

Hey can we not have Bulbasaur link to Deoxys in the directory? We're going to get new pokemon and it'd just be better to not have the pokemon in a loop. It'd save sanity for when we get the 4th Gen. I'm trying to fix it nowLedianX 21:07, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

How so? Just change Deoxys on the Bulbasaur page to whatever the new last one should be when necessary - a single page edit. It's not like there's going to be tons of new pokemon every day. Sheep 21:25, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok. Let me fix it but if you think I'm gonna relink all 386 pokemon with Meowth again like yesterday..You're nuts.LedianX 21:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No Deo-Bulba link. It's not circular. Evkl 21:53, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Before all these Pokemon pages are redone, should nav be up on top as well as on bottom, or easily locating the nav, no matter how long the page? --Meowth346

This doesn't really relate, but could we add some possibilities to what certain Pokemon are based off of? As well as what names seem to be based off of? Like Bulbasaur=bulb+dinosaur, or Bulbasaur appears to be a dinosaur? Just asking here because it's a Pokemon page with lots of activity - unsigned comment from Surskitty (talk • contribs)

I'm going to try to automate changing all the navigations for all the Pokemon. Hopefully no one starts editing before I get my script working. I may still be a good hour away from perfecting it. --Meowth346

Great. I don't feel like changing them all since we spent so long putting them there to begin with. LedianX 01:46, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Can you believe I spend *36* minutes trying to get this working, trying things, and the problem with my script was an "&" missing? I'll start mass-updating the pages after I ensure there are no problems, and write a looper. --Meowth346

I can believe it. But, I thought we weren't going to loop to Deoxys? Evan said we weren't It's going to be a bit of a pain with the new Pokemon. Not to mention we have to put Munchlax and Rukario in there somewhere.LedianX 02:59, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Would there be a template problem without the looping? If not, then anyone can freely unloop them. --Meowth346

There is so far. I'm debating whether to make a special template for Deo and Bulba. - unsigned comment from Evkl (talk • contribs)

That should be easy enough. Make a "next" template and a "previous" template, and have the NextPrevious template combine these, right? --Meowth346

Perhaps - the problem would then be developing a template to wrap the blue box around it. Or we could just cheat and duplicate code as needed. (Also, I thought you had the Bulbabot account at your disposal to do these automatic changes (they pollute the Recent changes page otherwise)). Also, your bot is a little too overzealous with the < conversion - some HTML tags are also valid in Wiki. - 刘 (劉) 振霖 07:15, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The &lt; was a mistake because of how I managed the text (along with viewing it in the browser before I had all the find/replace working): download, change < to &lt;, then change newlines to BR tags, then modify, then change BR tags back to new lines, then replace the &lt;. I had forgotten about the &lt; in comments. In the end, it turned out I didn't even need to bother with less-than signs, as the textarea box doesn't even use HTML. As for BulbaBot, I don't remember the password, and it wasn't in .bash_history, nor did I feel up to checking my GAIM log. But if I knew that it wouldn't show up in recent changes, I would have done that. --Meowth346

Moves

The version isn't specified, and there is already a page format allocated for this. If you just want to test things, you can do it on a seperate page. Or just use the "Show preview" button. --Jshadias 02:52, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

We know...we're discussing the best way to handle it. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't have any snide comments. We're in a chat right now dealing with it. If you would like to be included in the BMG mod chat please AIM someone.LedianX 03:01, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Don't mean to impose, but...

Have you considered using the setup given by the Pokémon WikiProject at Wikipedia? The articles seems to be more a guide on how they are in the games, instead of their relevance in the game/anime/manga/TCG. Compare Wikipedia:Bulbasaur with Bulbasaur, for instance. - A Link to the Past 00:02, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

I'm sorry, that wasn't terribly clear - what do you mean? What is lacking on the Bulbapedia article? Is it just a matter of depth covered (we might be the biggest Pokémon wiki encyclopedia, but we don't get the kind of activity Wikipedia gets) - or something else? As far as I can see, the Wikipedia articles are structured quite like ours. - 振霖_T 03:36, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

The articles just need some fleshing out. - A Link to the Past 06:34, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

Then it's nothing to be concerned about. Nothing is ever "done" - it's always open for improvement. Admittedly, it would be nice to have it fleshed out, but we simply don't have the kind of activity Wikipedia gets... so unless you're volunteering to do the work or help convince others to come contribute their work to Bulbapedia, you're just going to have to wait. Bulbapedia, like the Pokémon WikiProject, relies on volunteered work. - 振霖_T 07:07, 7 September 2005 (CDT)

GameShark/Action Replay Codes?

Someone want to put up an explanation for we non-cheating types what the heck those codes are for and why they're in the article? --Pie 06:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. They're gone now. The same user also made a dubious edit to the GS Ball article. - 振霖_T 11:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Sprites!

that whole table of the different sprites is very, very, cool. i am thinking perhaps that could become the Project Spritedex? something or another...anyways, i am just letting everybody out there know i would be eager to help get files of the different sprites for you guys...thanks User:bill33421 PS: the emerald shiny sprite is missing

Actually, the sprites fall under Project Pokédex. And yes, I know the Emerald shiny sprite is missing... I haven't been able to find it. If you can add the sprites to Bulbagarden Archives, well, more power to you. Just make sure to upload them with the proper filename. TTEchidna 11:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

interesting...so yes, i will try to get them, but if i could ask, how do you get them? is there a site that i can find pics on then upload to bulbagarden? or should i crop screenshots of games?

• There are several sites out there with sprites. Pokemon elite 2000 and upokecenter are good candidates; however it is better to do them yourself. I am going to attempt to fill in all the missing sprites for the first generation- I have (nearly) uploaded all the normal and shiny crystal sprites. (all from 10-111)--Cadellin 13:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Bill33421 19:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Diet

What up wit the diet? We're talking about Pokémon, fictional creatures, here, not animals, very few have their own individual diets and most of them just have a link to the Pokémon food main article, I just don't see the point in it. -KPF

Think about it: is it better to have a link to an article or have nothing link to the article on Pokémon food? TTEchidna 04:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

First Pokemon

this part of the trivia section:

"# Bulbasaur is the first dual-type Pokémon in National Dex order.

1. Bulbasaur is the first Grass Pokémon in National Dex order.
2. Bulbasaur is the first Poison Pokémon in National Dex order.
3. Bulbasaur is the first Pokémon in the National Dex order. "

This sounds rediculous, we know Bulbasaur is the first pokemon, so we don't need to say it is the first poison type, grass type, and dual type. (--<font color=#EED55E>^●</font>[[User:GT4GTR|<font color=#4F506D>'''GT4GTR'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:GT4GTR|<font color=#D6282C>''/ talk /''</font>]]</small> 10:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC))

Movesets

Someone should make it so that the moveset changes to the correct generation when you click on it, rather than linking to a seperate page. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 00:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly what it does for me. Maybe it's something to do with your browser. Wait never mind. Well I'll leave a job like that to someone who knows his way around wiki coding.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 04:03, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

im not sure if thats possible. TTE made the templates, youll have to bring it up with him. -- MAGNEDETH 04:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Bulbabye?

I was watching the first movie again the other day, and in the Pikachu Short, Ash's Bulbasaur used the "Bulba-Bye" on Togepi. I came to check, but it wasn't here. Wouldn't that be something to put in the Behavior section or something like that? DLT4 04:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it would be "Bulba-by," to fit with "lullaby." Anyway, it would actually probably be more appropriate on Ash's Bulbasaur, since this doesn't seem to exist outside of the Anime and I think that's the only Bulbasaur that used it. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 04:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking that too - but Dexter said it was the 'first recording' of it, possibly implying that others do it too. DLT4 22:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it implies the exact opposite, if you think about it, considering Dexter was talking DURING the event. Dexter ain't psychic. --electAbuzzzz ^(TALK) 22:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Problem

I have problems viewing the sprite section. When I press the show button it looks sort of distorted. I took a screenshot and I'll upload what it looks like within 5 minutes and post it here. I've tryed it multiple times and it might just be my computer or it might be an error in the system.--User:23-03-33 21:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC) Here is the image and as you can see the evolution overlaps the sprite page for some reason. User:23-03-33

I have a solution. TTEchidna 07:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, get a new IE. I have IE7 and it works fine here. You seem to have... 6? --Kyoufu Kawa 07:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

IE7 did make it show up right. thanks for your help. -- User:23-03-33 07:45, 6 September 2008 (EST)

Which leaves us with a problem.What about with the random people who come to this site expecting a good page and the Evoluition box overlaps in the Sprite section....--DCM_{((TalkContributions))}

Cant we put a link on the front page that says "This Website is Best Viewed in Mozilla Firefox" or whatever those say? DLT4 04:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Likely. Or plaster GET FIREFOX ads all over the freakin' place... TTEchidna 06:45, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I like TTE's idea, but it's not rational. We should just put a notice on the main page space thingy bob. TESHIGIGAS 16:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Even with IE6, if you open the sprite box, expand the window to full screen and shrink it back down again, everything lines up correctly. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:53, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

That Seems...Inconvenient To Me. cal05000 08:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Can MediaWiki do user-agent sniffing? That's a possible solution. Regardless, Firefox isn't the only good browser, nor is it the best browser. IIMarckus 18:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Sprites

I'm not sure if anyones noticed but Bulbasaur's Platinum non shiny sprite is wrong... and i thought that only 4th gen and sinnoh dex pokemon got new sprites--Wowy 08:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I just checked that and you're right, someone needs to fix it--Pokelova 18:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

werid thing

When I was on venasor's (sorry for bad spelling), I wanted to see Bulbasaur's page, so I clicked on the name under it's image and when I got on the page it stated "Get a life losers" could someone please fix that. thanks ♥luna13♥

It's already been fixed. Chocolate (Chat with Me) 16:39, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Who would be dumb enough to put "Get a life losers" on bulbapedia. Its disgraceful! --Usyflad10 (talk) 23:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

Anyone else see the shiny sprites are animated? Are the shiny Bulbasaurs in Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum animated? {{SUBST::User:SLE aman/Signature}} 01:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes. And no, the DPPt sprites aren't animated. --ケンジのガール 01:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

More accurately, they are animated in the game, but for some reason we're only animating the Platinum sprites.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 03:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Generation III Learnsets

Just a quick question, why don't the other generation learnsets lead to the next Pokémon, like with the PokémonPrevNext thing? シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 21:26, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Um...why would they? --Theryguy512 23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh, so it would be EASY to move through the Pokémon? Duh. シンジ_ShinjiLover,Edits 23:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Gen III Move sets Wrong

My Fire Red Bulbasaur didn't learn sweet scent until level 25. I'm not sure about the rest of the moves, but growth should have been offered at level 25 instead, and I still don't have that by 26. I'll update as I learn new moves. - unsigned comment from Coldshrike (talk • contribs)

Done. I already fixed it, thanks for letting us know. ►Ҝəυzø8 12:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Cry

Bulbasaur's cry is a lower-pitched Pikachu cry. --I hide in the dark! 17:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

It is! Hm. You know, on the cry page, there's information stating there's only 37 "different" cries that make the 151 sounds (obviously stuff like Mewtwo, Mew, Paras, and Parasect have the same underlying cry), but it'd be awesome if we could get someone to compile a list of all the Pokémon that use those specific cries. Gen II also has 30 more, making there be really 67 sounds for 251 Pokémon.

Think you could make this list up for us? TTEchidna 23:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Type Advantages over Gym Leaders

This is kind of a small thing, but it's listed that Bulbasaur has a type advantage over the first two gym leaders in Kanto. But since Lt. Surge uses electric types, that gives Bulbasaur a defensive advantage without an offensive disadvantage (as would be the case with Erika). So shouldn't Bulbasaur be listed as having a type advantage over the first three gym leaders? Gear-Richie 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Saying it has a type advantage for that means like when you used a Razor Leaf against Onix or Staryu it would say "It's Super Effective!". Grass type moves don't do that against Electric types, so technically it is true like it already is. --^Psychic_Rider^☮ 20:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

So saying it has a type advantage is limited ONLY to an attack advantage? That doesn't seem right. That would mean there's a difference in nomenclature between Bulbasaur vs. Onix (Offensive only) and Bulbasaur vs. Starmie (Offensive and Defensive). But no such differentiation has ever been used. Gear-Richie 19:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Type advantage is only limited to Attack Advantage, due to Nintendo and the whole Pokémon community thinking you know the strengths and weaknesses of your Pokémon, so if you send out a Ice less Starmie against a Bulbasaur, you are only hurting your self. But, if you but a Bulbasaur against a Starmie, you are giving your self a advantage, due to the Attacks you gave them. Sorry if it sounds a little confusing >.> --Mclena45 02:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Back Sprite difference

Hey- maybe i'm the first, but when i play Sapphire, Bulbasaur's back sprite is the same as bulbapedia's, however my Fire Red game shows a different back sprite. Here's what I mean: in Hoenn, Bulbasaur is squinting, where in FR&LG, Bulbasaur's eyes are wide open.--Spritemaster 22:58:25, 22, August, 2009 (UTC)

I believe Bulbapedia uses the most recent back sprites available. So they'll use Emeralds back sprites for Gen III and Heart Gold and Soul Silver for Gen V when it comes out.--Mclena45 02:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yellow

Just disproved the "Bulbasaur joins in Yellow if you're level 20" thing by actually playing Yellow. - unsigned comment from PharosAM (talk • contribs)

It joins when Pikachu has high happiness. That's actually mentioned in the article. —darklordtrom 23:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I just defeated Misty and i got it. Level 20 thing is a long time question on the topic. It may refer to the fact that you may need Pokémon at least level 20. --Spritemaster 12:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

If you look closely, the Gen.III backsprite is the same as the Gen.II one, only more updated.User:Crazylegs24

We try not to have trivia like that. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

If you look closely, you will find that ALL Pokémon are like that. SeanWheeler 22:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Protection

May I ask why this page is protected? CuboneKing 01:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Obvius but not mentiond

I would think it is fairly obvius that Bulbasaur inspired the name for Bulbapedia itself, yet it hasn't been mentiond in any trivia. EpicShadow 8:55, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes it has. The last trivia item mentions how Bulbagarden takes its name from Bulbasaur. Bulbagarden is Bulbapedia's parent site. --AndyPKMN 20:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

Change the image link in the manga section to point to a:File:Saur Bulbasaur.jpg. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 21:50, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Done. Werdnae (talk) 22:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking we could add the Black and White locations to not only Bulbasaur's page, but all of the pokemon pages. The problem is, I don't have Black and White, so I'm not even sure if you have to transfer the pokemon over or not. Could you guys help me with that? {{u|Jlin8

Image snapback

Why are all the images of Pokémon 001 - 151 turned back to their original red and green artwork? Someone please fix that and return the images to their most modern artworks.--Flameblight 15:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I just noticed that as well. I asked in a few other discussions, but I'm really confused why we're using pictures from Red and Green rather than FireRed and LeafGreen. (Holonboy 17:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC))

Well, today is Red and Blue's birthday. I suppose that is why. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 18:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

That seems like a likely reason. Would've been nice if they mentioned that somewhere though so it doesn't look like the site got hacked.--Flameblight 02:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

'Bulbasaur' instead of 'it'.

Wouldn't it simply read better if the third-person pronoun 'it' was replaced by 'Bulbasaur' in a lot of cases on this page? I'm thinking specifically about the top of the article, but I'm sure small changes like that could be made to the rest of it. TomasOMeachair 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying about the 'it' problem in the first paragraph of the article, but it isn't good to say 'Bulbasaur' over and over again. It's repetitive, and slightly awkward to use the same word over and over again. Also, don't forget to sign your post by type the four tildes. ^^ Littlmiget123 17:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't know that was a rule. I'll do that from now on.

I'm not saying we replace *every* instance of 'it' with 'Bulbasaur', but there are cases where it's not totally clear what the 'it' is referring to - you can understand what it's referring to if you apply a bit of common sense, obviously, but the issue's more one of grammar than anything else.

I will say that I'm in no way an authority on style or English grammar (other than having it as a first language), so I'm completely open to advice/correction/direction. I don't seem to be able to edit the page myself, which is why I haven't gone and replaced 'it' with 'Bulbasaur' where I thought it was needed. TomasOMeachair 18:12, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The page seems to be protected, so I would ask one of the admins to do it. Put a message on their talk page and request an edit. That's what I usually do. Littlmiget123 19:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

As a general rule of thumb, if it is clear what a pronoun is referring to, it should normally be used, with the full noun to used occasionally. Repeating the full name every time is clumsy and can be distracting or difficult to read, while if it becames unclear or the pronoun hasn't been used for several sentences the noun should be used instead, to prevent confusion and remind readers what is being talked about.

That said, as I'm reading it, it is clear what it is referring to, but it is overused in places and gets repetitive, such as in the intro. Other sections overuse Bulbasaur a little, and read clumsily. Overall it's just a matter of style which isn't particularly bad in this article. I've reworded the intro slightly to try and make it less clumsy. Werdnae (talk) 00:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Broken link

The links to "Normal Box" and "Gorgeous Box" under Held Items are broken. They should redirect to "Pokémon doll#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes" rather than "Held item#Normal and Gorgeous Boxes." Other Pokémon who can generate these items might need this kind of edit too. (This kind of shows how fragile the current direct-linking system for items currently is, but it's way to late to change anything, of course. ☺ ) Redletterday 21:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks to Sol, those links were quickly fixed. (I'd like to add that I didn't have editing access to this article, which is why I posted here.) Redletterday (Talk to me!) 18:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Minimum and maximum stats in generations 1 and 2?

Hello! Sorry for my bad English, but I am from Germany. I hope, you can understand me. I just have the generation 1 and 2 games (red, blue, yellow, gold, silver, crystal), and I know, that in these games natures for Pokémon wasn't available (they're coming in generation 3). In the Pokémon pages from 'Bulbapedia' the minimum and maximum stats are calculated WITH this natures. How can I see the min. and max. stats in the first two generations? --LaBumm 12:43, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

You would have to use the stat formula for Generation I and II found here. Pikiwyn ^talk 12:56, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Generation V sprites

Shouldn't we show the animation of the pokemon sprites in the sprite list?--Celibi25 00:42, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The sprites are uploaded by individuals. Ripping the sprites from the games is a pain. Frozen Fennec 00:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

who are the other pokemon?

Bulbasaur's number in the National Pokédex and the Fiore Browser is the same: 001. This makes it and its evolution family one of only five families of Pokémon (comprising thirteen Pokémon altogether) - unsigned comment from Jason avelino (talk • contribs)

Gallery

Shouldn't we have an art gallery for ALL official pokemon art? Just because the art is more recently made does not mean that it has to be erased from bulbapedia right?--Celibi25 00:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

There is all kind of art on the Bulbagarden Archives which you can find in the side bar. There's really no need for a gallery. You can ask an admin though --Pokemaster97 00:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

I thought this came up at some point, and they were either planning on making it in the distant future, or they decided it would be too hard to implement. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 03:47, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Shiny differences

Does anyone else think it would make sense to add a section under biology addressing the differences between not only Bulbasaur but all pokemon and their shiny versions, much like the Gender Differences section?Jericho Valentine 02:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

I would agree with adding this, although this would need to be approved by an admin first. Try asking Kenji-girl, SnorlaxMonster, or for a full list of admins, see here. XVuvuzela2010X 03:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Ability

Which ability did Bulbasaur have in the Generations I and II, because the page Overgrow saids the it was introduced in Generation III?

Bulbapedian2187 16:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

This is the first sentence of the page you linked:

Abilities (Japanese: 特性 special characteristic) are a game mechanic introduced in Generation III.

.........--電禅Den Zen 16:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

GTS censor

Just wondering. The last thing in the Trivia section says that English language Bulbasaur can't be traded over the GTS in Black and White. What's the part it censors? I can't find it. Again, just wondering. Pokered4000 01:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Apparently "sau" is an inappropriate word in German. The censor uses a list of words from various languages.--MisterE13 02:08, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Mascot?

There's a bit of trivia about Bulbasaur being the mascot of Bulbasaur's Mysterious Garden. I was going to remove it because I'm pretty sure it's been removed several times before, but I thought it'd be safer to ask about it first. Thanks. Crystal Talian 07:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for asking. You're correct, it should not be there. We don't (or at least, shouldn't) mention the mascots of other websites, so we shouldn't mention this either. I've removed it. If it gets added again, you're welcome to remove it. Werdnae (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Could this count as trivia?

I was going to add this in but I thought I'd what others said first: The three Pokemon of the Bulbasaur line have a coat which is closer to blue than green, like Ash's Bulbasaur, but in his overworld sprites, he is leafy colour of green, much like his Shiny form. Is this not a piece of trivia? I've seen this type of thing in many other Trivia sections, like in the Moltres page where it notes that earlier artwork sometimes showed Moltres's wings as fully engulfed, rather than partially engulfed, and I see this as similar. Could it be included? Tadzo 02:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Not notable as far as I know since the mixture between appears to be teal (which is a hue between Blue and Green). That and it looks pretty obvious to most players (or so I would hope). As for that stuff on the Moltres page, its there because it is noting it's current design and how looked in its beta form. Only time I've seen sprite trivia seemingly needed was if it noted it having to have a change in posture due to how offensive it could be to some people (Registeel in Diamond and Pearl) or if the coloring was changed do to how some people were offended by it (Jynx). Frozen Fennec 02:18, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Ah, as for Moltres, it's noted because of its overall sprite changes between generations or games, similar to how Kakuna's arms were noted being there in generation one but not any of the others. :) Frozen Fennec 02:22, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Frog

Just because of it's ears and basic evolution doesn't mean it's not a frog: it is a dinosaur as well.

Here's images to prove it.:

body example:[[1]] and face example:[[2]]

Wartortle and Blastoise, though they're based on turtles, have ears too.Bennell 19:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

One thing

Why are we using Bulbasaur's generation 1 picture? -- Pokemon Trainer Bowser Jr. [[ 15:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Generation 1 artwork

Excuse me, but shouldn't the Ken Sugimori Red and Green artwork be replaced with the latest one we got. Bulbapedia is an internet site, it should be as modern as it can be. Shouldn't we return to Pokemon FireRed and LeafGreen artwork?

NOTE: This applies to lots of other Pokemon. Since I didn't know where exactly to post it, I chose the very first Pokemon affected. - unsigned comment from BlueWartortle (talk • contribs)

That's to celebrate the 17th anniversary of Red and Green. _{Sneaking from page to page... It's the page-editing purple ghost...} Gengarzilla! 19:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Will it return to normal afterwards, then? - unsigned comment from BlueWartortle (talk • contribs)

Yes.--電禅Den Zen 21:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Biology

Apart from the unfortunate decision to make all references to Bulbasaur and its species a singular noun, there are other things wrong with how this section is written.

A Bulbasaur is a small, quadruped Pokémon with green or bluish green skin and dark patches.

If Bulbasaur is small, than lots of Pokémon are small. By the way, being based on the Dicynodont, it is indeed reptilian. Its stance is its only similarity to toads. Patches imply different skin texture, such as Kangaskhan's bumps; those are indeed spots.

Due to being domesticated from birth, Bulbasaur is regarded as both rare and well-behaved Pokémon.

Other than the obvious grammar error, this reads like there is but one Bulbasaur (who's nice).

Bulbasaur has also shown itself to be good at caring for young Pokémon, even having a special technique called the ‘’Bulba-by’’ where it picks up the young Pokémon with its vines, rocking it slowly in the air to calm it down.

Too much hyperlinked text. Way too wordy. Instead of repeating "young Pokémon," you could have left it how I'd worded it. Those apostrophes are all over the place. Missing a comma. Actions are not locations (use "in which" instead of "where").

However, due to its status as starter Pokémon, Bulbasaur is hard to come by in the wild and generally found under the ownership of Trainers. In one episode, it is shown that a Bulbasaur's bulb will flash blue when it is ready to evolve, and it must struggle to resist the transformation. The episode also shows that large groups of Bulbasaur gather every year in a hidden garden in Kanto to become Ivysaur.

Grammar. I'm sure we could link to EP051 without wasting time mentioning the anime. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 08:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

These changes were decided by the staff as a whole after a long period of discussion. It was decided that the entire biology section should be written in singular, gender-neutral terms. This is what the Pokedex does, and it was decided that the most professional thing to do is write in the same style. This is not going to change. Having references to the anime that should be mentioned and linked to the correct episodes was another decision made after much discussion. Moving on to your complaints about this specific article.

Many Pokemon are indeed small. Being based on a reptile does not make it a reptile. When this was written, it was decided that because of Bulbasaur's mix of traits it was better not to include a specifier such as "reptilian". Spots imply something like a leopard or a cheetah's markings. A spot is a round marking, which is not what Bulbasaur displays. Bulbasaur has irregularly shaped patches or blotches of darker color, not round spots of darker color. Overuse of the the pronoun "its" in reference to the young Pokemon making it confuses as the to whether you're talking about Bulbasaur or the baby.

Bulbasaur can also be excellent caretakers, even having a special technique called the "Bulba-by," used to soothe a young Pokémon by picking it up with its vines and rocking it slowly in the air, as seen in Pikachu’s Vacation.

Do the vines belong to Bulbasaur or the baby? "It" is used to refer to both, so one cannot be sure. The entire sentence still needs further rewording, really. I will look into that. Crystal Talian 09:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Biology section changes

Probably a dumb question and I don't know where else I could ask this (I only put it here because this was the first Pokémon affected), but is there a reason some Pokémon have more under their "biology" section than others? Is this an attempt to change the way the pages are organized? Just seems odd right now how some Pokémon have their bio section going into more categories including their special abilities and behaviors than others. And so far from what I've seen, it seems that only the Generation I except for Mewtwo are affected by this as well as a couple of Pokémon from other Gens scattered across the series. ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

The message from the editor explains this. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 00:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, guess that makes sense, though personally I was used to the sectioned segments. But, whatever, it happens. I always found the behavior section to be curious, guess I found how some Pokémon's behavior to be intriguing especially if they were based off of an actual animal in the real world. Still, makes sense to put it all into one group to avoid confusion I suppose. But I digress, again. :P ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Flying Press and Freeze-Dry effectiveness

Since the effectiveness of these two moves differs from other Fighting- and Ice-type attacks, don't you think it might be worth it adding a note under the type effectiveness table when these moves react differently than normal? For example, Bulbasaur normally resists Fighting-type moves, but takes normal damage from Flying Press, so we could add a note saying:

• The effectiveness of Flying Press is 1×.

Ludicolo normally takes normal damage from both Fighting- and Ice-type moves, but is weak to these two special attacks, so we could add two notes saying:

• The effectiveness of Flying Press is 2×.
• The effectiveness of Freeze-Dry is 4×.

Loudo (talk) 15:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Bulbasaur and Bulbapedia

Should it be listed that Bulbapedia is named after Bulbasaur (sorry, I cannot do a question mark) PKCat (talk) 02:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

It's mentioned on Bulbagarden's page which is, imho, the only place that it needs to be mentioned. Fansites being named after Pokémon isn't really notable, even if we're the fansite. --It's Funktastic~!_{話してください} 02:02, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, I wanted to check. PKCat (talk) 02:12, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

X and Y image?

I was wondering if I could provide an image for Bulbasaur in X and Y. (It can be changed if it isn't good quality.) I'm not great with links, (like the game and generation next to the sprite) but I can provide an image...SuperShroom63 (talk) 20:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon Battle Trozei Info

I noticed there's no side game data for Pokémon Battle Trozei in any Pokémon page, so I was going to add the locations where Pokémon can be found in the game. I started with Bulbasaur and tried to add the location where it is found, but it doesn't work.TepiGreninja (talk) 23:01, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Since it was a new game, it may be a while before it will work in the side game section. The location pages are currently works in progress in a user's userspace at the moment, and once they're set to go, they'll be incorporated into the mainspace. Berrenta (talk) 23:57, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

This goes for every Pokemon, but Bulbasaur is the first so

Why aren't the X/Y sprites animated? I think it just seems redundant when Smogon and tons of other websites have the animated sprites. Is it a hardware thing considering GIFs don't play correctly on some devices? SuperLuigi9624 (talk) 00:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

It's because the animated models have not been uploaded yet, just like how most of the animated BW/B2W2 sprites have not been uploaded yet.--ForceFire 03:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

If I recall there was more to it then just that, but you'd have to ask Kogs as to what the reason was. --Spriteit (talk) 04:33, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Correction

A "—" used in moves list destroys moves segregation.--Dominikololo (talk) 19:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I think he means that the dashes are breaking the sorting. --Abcboy (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

He might be right. I didn't upload it to Archives since it's not for any articles, but I put three different sorts on Tinypic. The numbers are not even sorting in either case (left is unsorted, then increasing and decreasing in some order). So yes, the dash might need to be replaced for tables that sort, but what's interesting is that even the numbers are not sorting correctly (both sorts have 45 and 55 in that order, and 50, 90, 120, 80 in that order on opposite ends of the grid). There's nothing obvious in the code that should break it. CycloneGU (talk) 20:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Disregarding for the moment whether that's actually what Dominikololo meant...

It's not actually the fault of most individual tables. Almost everything sortable on this page actually has broken sorting after the first column. (I haven't checked much, but I'd wager you'd find the same on most other Pokemon pages.) If you try to edit and preview any individual section, the table sorts fine. But if you preview the whole page, most tables are broken still/again.

Somehow, it seems as if the tutoring table is screwing things up for everything else. Weirdly, it's the only one that sorts correctly when the whole page is rendered, but if you remove just the tutoring table, suddenly everything else sorts fine. (Removing other templates doesn't affect it; certainly not those after tutoring anyway.) From a brief look, I have no idea why any of the tutoring templates might be causing that. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Would making tutoring non-sortable lead to fixing the problem? CycloneGU (talk) 20:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Staff is aware and working on it. glik^glak 20:50, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I've learned before that sorting doesn't play nicely with colspan. I figured out how to make the tutor table play nicely with everything else, and it has to do with the colspan in the header, but I can't offer any real explanation as to why it works or why it was broken.

In {{Learnlist/tutorh/6}}, replace: ! colspan="4" |  [[Pokémon games|<span style="color:#000;">Game</span>]] 

with four lines of: !  [[Pokémon games|<span style="color:#000;">Game</span>]] .

Obviously you can play with that solution a bit however you want, but that's the gist. You can easily test it by just going to a Pokemon page, editing the whole page (and if you preview at this point, you'll notice that other tables like the level-up moves don't sort right), and replace the {{Learnlist/tutorh/6}} call with its wiki code. (It doesn't matter that the colors don't match or that the last few columns are missing.) Then if you make the substitution I wrote above and preview the result, you'll notice that all tables now sort correctly.

...Alternatively, just don't make the tutor table sortable at all (i.e., remove class="sortable"). Tiddlywinks (talk) 11:41, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

TCG Pokédex Entries

I'd like to start adding the TCG Pokédex entries to the Pokémon pages (one of the few things left on the to-do list), but I'm not entirely certain what template I should use. Maybe something like this?

Pokédex entries

Bulbasaur
Card	Expansion	#	Entry
Bulbasaur	Base Set	44/102	A strange seed was planted on its back at birth. Thus, a plant sprouted and now grows with this Pokémon.
Bulbasaur	Dark Explorers	1/108	For some time after its birth, it grows by gaining nourishment from the seed on its back.

Please let me know how this should be properly formatted so we can start adding this section to the Pokémon pages. Thanks :)
RetroKitty (talk) 05:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Trivia Fact

Trivia Fact

Bulbasaur is the first dual type basic staged Grass-type starter Pokémon.

Christian (talk) 02:31, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

That's expected, so no.--ForceFire 04:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

A little problem with adding side game data

I noticed that this page and Ivysaur's were the only ones that had Battle Trozei data and the rest didn't. I decided to add that to the pages but then I noticed none of them, not even this one, have data on Rumble U and Rumble World. I wanted to add that as well, but there's no template for these games. I was going to create them by just copying and pasting the Rumble or Rumble Blast one, but I can't edit those, so I cant' do it. Can an admin create the templates? TepiGreninja (talk) 22:57, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

We're holding off on Rumble U and Rumble World for now until we know more about the games and what information should go on the templates. But for now, please feel free to add the Battle Trozei data to the Pokémon pages. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 00:34, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Rumble U and Rumble World only need the stats like the other two Rumble games, but 'kay. I guess I'll add just the Battle Trozei data for the time being. TepiGreninja (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

If you want to try creating a user page or something with what you know, we (or anyone) could easily reference it once we make the necessary templates. We might even be able to put it in the mainspace as its own list page (maybe, I don't know). Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Nah, that's not necessary. See how Pokémon Rumble and Rumble Blast have the attack, defense and speed stats represented by these dots? The only thing that's needed is two more templates that are exactly the same, but with a different name. TepiGreninja (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's that easy. In World at least, the Attack/Defense/Speed approximations are impossible to see in-game, and if they still exist in there, I haven't seen anywhere that's datamined them. Sure, if the format is the same, many of them are likely similar, but what if they added in the Gen VI base stat buffs from the core series and that changed the data on some Pokemon? If we just assumed, we could potentially spread misinformation. Additionally, we'd lack data on every Gen VI Pokemon, as well as newer alternate forms that have different stats like Megas/Primals. Since newer forms with differing stats aren't accounted for in the template, it would need to be adjusted slightly as well, so it wouldn't just be a total copy and paste. VioletPumpkin (talk) 01:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

TepiGreninja, let me suggest this then: until we do actually create those templates, why don't you just add code for them as if they exist, and leave it commented out in HTML comments? Then all we'll have to do is uncomment it.

(To be plain, I'm trying to suggest an option where, if you fall off the face of the earth before (for whatever reason) we make the template, we're not stuck with nothing to add anyway if no one else has this data available. I know I don't know any easy place to find it. If you have the games and this data, then we'd be very happy if you share it in some form.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I found a page that had stats for the Gen I Pokémon in Rumble World and assumed it had stats for every one, but then I clicked to see the other gens, and it is lacking the stats for some of the Unova legendaries and the Kalos ones. This most likely means that the stats for the Pokémon that do have them are only there because the person assumed they didn't change. So yeah, creating the templates would be useless for now. Sorry for not noticing that earlier and wasting your time. XD TepiGreninja (talk) 21:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Anime Screentime

According to Serebii "anime appearance" lists, Bulbasaur is the Pokemon with most screentime after Pikachu and Meowth. - unsigned comment from ZeraX (talk • contribs)

We cannot steal or copy any information from Serebii whatsoever. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Serebii didn't write that trivia in any page. I just counted the number of episodes that featured Bulbasaur and compared them to Squirtle, Charmander and Charizard since those are the most appeared. ZeraX (talk) 01:38, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Third longest is not notable.--ForceFire 04:35, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Name origin

How do we know the saur part in its English name comes from Ancient Greek for lizard, and not from dinosaur? Golden Trainer (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, the “saur” part in “dinosaur” means “lizard” as well. The literal meaning of the “dinosaur” term is “scary lizard”.—Mister Wu (talk) 19:15, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Even if that's the case, I think it's misleading to directly reference the Greek word and make no mention of "dinosaur". As it stands, the Name Origin section makes it sound like the localization team was trying to invoke the word "lizard", when I think it's more likely they were going for "dinosaur", seeing how most English Pokémon names are made up of combined English words, and it would be weird for them to call the grass starter a lizard when that's what the fire starter is supposed to be.

For comparison, look at the Werehog from Sonic Unleashed. "Were" means man, while a "hog" is a pig. But in that case, it's clear it's actually meant to be a combination of werewolf and hedgehog, seeing how it's literally Sonic turned into a werewolf. So saying that the name is derived from just "were" and "hog" would be inaccurate and misleading, and makes it sound like it's referring to a man who transforms into a pig. Golden Trainer (talk) 22:58, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

You can add it as possible reference at this point, Game Freak by itself never explained what that “saur” means, and now we know the reason - Bulbasaur is actually a frog. This means however that we cannot be fully sure, so probably it’s better to add that “-saur” is often used for dinosaur names, without removing the actual meaning of that “-saur” suffix.—Mister Wu (talk) 01:43, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, I just edited the section to cover both possible meanings. Before I do the same with the Ivysaur and Venusaur articles for consistency, is it all right like this? Golden Trainer (talk) 12:38, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

It can work like that, as personal preference I’d put it as “and σαῦρος saur (Ancient Greek for lizard), commonly used for the names of lizards and dinosaurs”, to better show how there is more interrelation among these two terms and families than it usually seems.—Mister Wu (talk) 13:16, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

So "Bulbasaur may be a combination of bulb (a rounded underground storage organ present in some plants, notably those of the lily family) and σαῦρος saur (Ancient Greek for lizard), commonly used for the names of lizards and dinosaurs."? Golden Trainer (talk) 21:20, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, if it doesn’t sound too bad I’d personally word it like that.—Mister Wu (talk) 23:16, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, feel free to change it. Golden Trainer (talk) 23:31, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Trainers who use a certain Pokémon

I want a page for each Pokémon that lists all the Pokémon trainers (in the Pokémon games, not anime, manga, or other Pokemon media) who use that Pokémon. I want this page for all Pokémon, but I'm only putting this on the discussion page for Bulbasaur because it's the first Pokémon in Pokédex order. Jort (talk) 04:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I doubt there will ever be such list. Seems like too much work for something with such little use. For now you can go to Trainer Class pages and look for particular Pokemon by yourself.--Rocket Grunt 11:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Then I'll start making them. Jort (talk) 22:02, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

This doesn't seem like a good idea, if you ask me. It will just eat too much page space, especially if we're talking about some super common Pokémon like Zubat, Golbat, or Magikarp. I suggest you make a personal article under your own user page (just put a slash after your user name and then the page title) if you want to make this kind of list. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I've always wanted to implement the idea personally, but it would be space consuming in all ways I've manged to think of it, I'd be interested what you come up with, build up some drafts at something like User:Jort/Trainer encounters. And we'll see how it looks. --Spriteit (talk) 00:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I think this could be done but a little differently. Instead of mentioning trainer every time they use a specific Pokemon on species page, there could be seperate pages to list all traniners from each game. Of course this would have to treat pages for trainers from battle facilities as their subpages. Then anyone could just ctrl+f a Pokemon to see when it was used.--Rocket Grunt 12:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Maybe. But starting out with a draft would still probably be the best way to start out, like Spriteit suggested. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

This isn't the first time that someone's had this idea (or one that's similar). For reference, SeanWheeler's added what such a list might look like for bulbasaur to the Bulbapedia sandbox. Pale Prism (talk) 23:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I would love to see that! But maybe only major trainers for less work? DedoChichiche 16:20, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Sprites section

Shouldn't the section be renamed to something like "Sprites and models"? Its current name has been obsolete for years. Only the first 5 gens have sprites, the rest use models. Golden Trainer (talk) 18:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)