Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number
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Gen VI
Could Aurorus and Tyrantrum be added to the page, or will they be added after this mystery Pokémon is revealed tomorrow? Scratch that. Aurorus, Tyrantrum, and Doublade need to be added. --The Truth aka Relicant 16:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
719, 720, 721
I remember reading somewhere that someone discovered Pokemon past Zygarde. Should we add them? Liberty Bell (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
- We know about them, but we can't really confirm them since this time we neither can crack into the game to see all the data, nor they've been officialy revealed... at least for now. Uploader (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Cottonee's type change
Can anyone add Fairy type to Cottonee please, that's because it's evolution is also Fairy type. Thank you! Cinday123 (talk) 06:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
False typing
Cottonee and Whimsicott are not fairy type. Why do people keep stating that when you cannot even find them in x or y? --Admantus (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- You can't catch them yourself, but they are used by other Trainers in battle facilities, etc. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
- And according to Serebii, Cottonee line is now Fairy type, however, you can't catch them in Kalos and the only way to get them is to transfer Pokémon from Black, White, Black 2 or White 2 to X or Y, this is because it is not available to catch in Kalos however you have a chance to see them in battle facilities whereas Trainers used Whimsicott. Cinday123 (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, Serebii might be wrong, because they haven't even updated the sprites for the other unobtainable pokemon that appear post-game. I think that the types should be switched back to pure grass until pokemon bank comes out. --Admantus (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- That has nothing to do with it. I mean, the information on Bulbapedia is always confirmed information. And any information that wasn't confirmed gets removed. So, the fact that Cottonee/Whimsicott being Grass/Fairy hasn't been removed or altered back to it's original information/typing means it's been confirmed. And like Cinday123 and others have said, just because you can't catch it in the Kalos region games doesn't mean you can't still obtain it. And that means, the information for Cottonee & Whimsicott are programmed in the games. So, I say let it be. DarienLeonhart (talk) 21:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Order
Is it just me or are the pokemon listed for gen VI out of order? Not like broken, but I see like 114 right after 93 and etc. ★☆Togetic45☆★ 18:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
- It's not out of order. Those are the Pokemon's Kalos Dex numbers. The list is ordered by the National Dex numbers. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 19:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Secret Gen 6 Pokemon
What about those secret Pokemon from Gen 6? The ones after Zygarde? Shouldn't they be on here now? MegaNerd18 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
- I'm so sorry, the Pokémon Company haven't revealed these mythical Pokémon so let's just leave it for now until it's revealed so we don't know yet. Cinday123 (Talk) 12:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Well I think the hacker who discovered the secret Pokemon is reliable because the Pokemon he found where: Hoopla, Volcanion, Daince, Fancy Vivillon, and the Mega Eon twins. Four out of six have revealed. If we do put in Hoopla and Volcaion when should put a little star (*) like on the list of Pokemon in the a area in the ranger game if you must release them after you catch them. --AbsolX (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Generation VI Sprites
Why there are no sprites for the new Pokémon introduced in X and Y? Dalton358 (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Because we don't have them and we don't allow taking from other sites without permission. Glik (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- I figured it would take longer to get them, because it's on a different system. I wonder how the other websites got their images. Dalton358 (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- They have 3DS capture cards. Few Bulbapedia users do, and the only ones I've seen with them have been focusing on other things, like Trainer images. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- I figured it would take longer to get them, because it's on a different system. I wonder how the other websites got their images. Dalton358 (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Multiple Pokédeces in Generation VI
In the Generation VI, there are 3 Pokédeces: Kalos Central, Kalos Coastal and Kalos Mountain. For example:
- Chespin is Kalos Central #001
- Inkay is Kalos Coastal #010
- Goomy is Kalos Mountain #019
The list doesn't reflect it.
-Iosue (talk) 08:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
- That's because this is the National Pokédex list. You want List of Pokémon by Kalos Pokédex number. --SnorlaxMonster 08:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
- Of course I understand that. I am not stupid. I can read. What I am suggesting is to add a very small token in front of each Kalos number to indicate if it is Central, Coastal or Mountain, as these are a part of the Generation VI dex. If there is no indication of the sub-region, the column of the table of Generation VI will have limited meaning here. I'd suggest you either delete the whole column, or add the small indication of which sub-region the number belongs to. -Iosue (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
- This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, that column is labelled VIDex, which will be misleading with the release of ORAS. --Abcboy (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- I concur with the main issue. Don't write completely undifferentiated numbers as if all you have to do is scroll through one Pokedex to find any given Pokemon; that's not at all the case. Do something like this:
- This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, that column is labelled VIDex, which will be misleading with the release of ORAS. --Abcboy (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- Of course I understand that. I am not stupid. I can read. What I am suggesting is to add a very small token in front of each Kalos number to indicate if it is Central, Coastal or Mountain, as these are a part of the Generation VI dex. If there is no indication of the sub-region, the column of the table of Generation VI will have limited meaning here. I'd suggest you either delete the whole column, or add the small indication of which sub-region the number belongs to. -Iosue (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
| VIdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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| #001Ce | #0650 | 
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Chespin | Grass | |
| #002Ce | #0651 | 
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Quilladin | Grass | |
- I would also strongly suggest linking the regional 'dex abbreviations in the headers so people can click on them and immediately jump to those 'dexes. (If this were done, this would make "VIdex" less "misleading".) I linked "VIdex" above, and I'll demonstrate the same for the other generations below...
| Kdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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| Jdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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| Hdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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| Sdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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| Udex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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- For that matter, I'd also suggest linking "Ndex" similarly in the header template so it links easily back here on the regional 'dex pages. ...And "Type" could also be linked, just because it's the sort of thing that should be clickable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
- This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, Diancie needs its Kalos Dex number added (#151 in Central). --Abcboy (talk) 09:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
- As Abcboy said, this remains an issue. I have taken the liberty of creating a user page that fixes the main issue in this discussion. The page also incorporates my idea for 'dex links in the headers, as well as renames the Kalos section's table header from "VIdex", a name that is not proper considering the existence of ORAS now.
- I hope someone on staff will take a cursory look at my user page and then copy the code onto this page (give or take the headers, perhaps), so that this issue may finally be solved. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- Bump... Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
- This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, Diancie needs its Kalos Dex number added (#151 in Central). --Abcboy (talk) 09:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
- For that matter, I'd also suggest linking "Ndex" similarly in the header template so it links easily back here on the regional 'dex pages. ...And "Type" could also be linked, just because it's the sort of thing that should be clickable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Color
I noticed that the color coordination is not in accord with the Kalos National Pokédex. Shouldn't each region get the appropriate color attributed to them? Mr. Guye (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
- Interesting observation. I had never noticed the color coding in the Kalos National Pokédex before, but it's there, and is to my knowledge the first time an official source has used color coding to denote regions.
- Bulbapedia currently uses specific colors for regions, but this particular page uses the colors of the first games taking place in those regions. Perhaps the colors for the tables on this page should be replaced with the region colors. Meanwhile, replacing the region colors themselves with the ones in X and Y is a discussion that should take place but might be too big for this page. I would recommend taking that up with a staff member. --AndyPKMN (talk) 18:36, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
The icon for diancie.
Now that Diancie has been released, you guys need to update this page to contain the sprite for diancie so it is no longer a grey question mark. Random Viewer
Flabébé line
We've done it for Shaymin, Burmy and Rotom (as well as others) and the sprites are in the Archives, so can an admin (since I can't edit the page) add on the different mini sprites of them, or explain to me why they aren't used on it? Thanks.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 20:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Save space
Welcome. I got the idea, in which a list of Pokemon replace the tiles. It would have saved a lot of space and reduced the site to a minimum. Imagine this:
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As you can see images of Pokémon will be bigger and will take less than half the length now. --Dominikololo (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
- I don't necessarily agree with this idea. It looks better and shows off a Pokémon's appearance in full instead of just resorting to the icon, yes, but it's a lot more complex to work with incase there's an error. If you want to make it, you can do it as a personal user page under something like User:Dominikololo/Visual National Pokédex just to give us a full example. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Generation III
Considering the fact the Johto Pokédex part of the Gen II Pokémon section was updated to the newer version from HG/SS, it's probably best we update Hoenn's under the Gen III Pokémon section to the one from ΩR/αS. Nintendocan (talk) 00:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
Hoopa Unbound and Dex numbers
Hoopa's Unbound form needs to be added. Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion's Dex numbers also. Asmod96 (talk) 16:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
| VIdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
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| #150 | #0718 | 
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Zygarde | Dragon | Ground |
| #151 | #0719 | 
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Diancie | Rock | Fairy |
| #152 | #0720 | 
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Hoopa | Psychic | Ghost |
| #152 | #720U | Hoopa | Hoopa | Psychic | Dark |
| #153 | #0721 | 
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Volcanion | Fire | Water |
Sun and Moon Legendary Mascots
Can someone who has access to editing this page add Solgaleo and Lunaala to the Gen VII list? They have been revealed along with the Alola starters, but remained nameless in the video. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- As you say, they are nameless. Until there is confirmation, we will not be assuming their names. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Charjabug and Vikavolt
Shouldn't Charjabug and Vikavolt be immediately after Grubbin, seeing as they're its evolutions? Pokemega32 (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- I noticed that too; I think whoever renamed/added them meant to move both Rockruff and Komala down, but somehow missed Rockruff... AmoongussForLife (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Hippowdon
If Unfezant and Frillish line are included twice for both genders, shouldn't Hippowdon be added as well? Their appearance is quite different as well. Same goes for several other cases, if Hoopa and Meloetta have their forms added, why not Keldeo or Kami trio? Who decides what should appear and what shouldn't, and by what rule??? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)
- The Hippos, it may be because official art (see Hippopotas (Pokémon), the big image at the top) AFAIK has never depicted the female forms, while for Frillish and Unfezant it has.
- The difference between Hoopa and Meoetta vs Keldeo and the Kami trio may be that the former change types when they change form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
- Another contributing reason is that the game does not have gender-specific menu sprites for the Hippopotas family. Together with the lack of a type difference between genders, adding a seperate row for the other gender will not accomplish anything content-wise. Chenzw (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
- Basculin is also listed twice, by the way. Vivillon, that also changes menu sprite depending on forms, is only included once (understandably because of how many form differences it has).
- I mean I was mostly asking, so thanks for "justifying" it. Also, regarding whether it adds anything content-wise - except for the type changing forms, nothing really adds any content (Frillish, Hippos, Unfezant, Basculin, Vivillon), which is why I was puzzled. Didn't seem like there was any actual reason to include multiples. But I guess Sugimori arts are a good enough reason (I just couldn't figure it out). - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)
- Another contributing reason is that the game does not have gender-specific menu sprites for the Hippopotas family. Together with the lack of a type difference between genders, adding a seperate row for the other gender will not accomplish anything content-wise. Chenzw (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Alolan
Someone needs to add the recently revealed Pokemon, which I assume would include Alolan Forms (as they all change type.) AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
- No, I think this page is better suited for the Pokémon with their natural Pokémon types to help prevent the page from getting too messy or confusing. This is why separate sub-pages are better suited to handling this such as the Mega Evolution page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- FWIW, the Alola Forms' types are no less natural than the forms we've always known. That said, we haven't yet decided whether we want the Alola Forms here or not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- I would think that the Alolan Forms should be added, as the type changes, it appears the Pokémon don't switch between the two (an Ice/Fairy Ninetales would have Ice Vulpix), and multiple entries are added for Darmanitan, which is a similar case. I suppose the second point is mostly speculation at this point, though, but I don't think it would hurt the page overall. AmoongussForLife (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- FWIW, the Alola Forms' types are no less natural than the forms we've always known. That said, we haven't yet decided whether we want the Alola Forms here or not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Wimpod's types
Wimpod's types are Bug/Water, not Water/Bug. Someone should fix it. --rafael.zinho (talk) 03:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
- Fixed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
Wishiwashi, Pyukumuku, and Morelull
This page still lists the japanese names even though the English names are revealed and confirmed and the pages for them use the English names. AztecCroc (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Rugarugan
Someone needs to add Rugarugan after Rockruff; it's been over a day. AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- I will try see if I can. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- never mind I didn't know that the page is protected. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
why is this page protected?
why is this page protected? I want to add Rugarugan after Rockruff but I can't. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Most of the time it doesn't need to be changed, and when it does, we don't want people jumping the gun on rumors and stuff. Things like this we (as staff) update it when it's appropriate to do so. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
On the Pokémon Bank page on the official site, menu sprites for several Gen VII Pokémon have been shown, and Rowlet have been confirmed as #722. Here's direct links for the relevant images: Top screen, Bottom screen - RHeegaard (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- I'm assuming that the reason only Rowlet, Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek were uploaded is because they are the only ones with numbers (I am curious where you got official evidence of Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek's numbers though?), but would it not be possible to upload the others as "DrampaMS.png" and such so that they can be listed? It would make the table easier to read, I think. It's also what we do with artwork (whereas Pikachu's artwork is File:025Pikachu.png, Drampa's is File:Drampa.png), so it's not like it goes against Bulbapedia's other efforts. Nutter Butter (talk) 03:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- In large part, most places where menu sprites are used simply cannot accomodate filenames like DrampaMS (this page being an excellent example of such a place). The few places it might be usable aren't really worth it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Additions
Can we add: Steenee (Pokémon), Tsareena (Pokémon), Hakamo-o (Pokémon), Ribombee (Pokémon)? Kidburla (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- They've already been added. --Carmen★ (Talk | contribs) 14:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Seems they were added while I was typing the post. Kidburla (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- For future reference, if you just wait, someone will almost assuredly get to it soon enough. (I mean, if someone asked this every time there was a new reveal, this page would probably quickly end up bloated.) If it's 24 hours later, then it's late. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Seems they were added while I was typing the post. Kidburla (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Oricorio
How come Castform has all of its forms on the list but Oricorio doesn't? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
- Personally, it could be due to the criteria, but I cannot tell. So, here is a hopefully complete list of what Pokémon with multiple menu sprites appear and which do not.
- From the group that does appear: Unfezant (Gender difference), Frillish (Gender), Jellicent (Gender), Castform (Ability), Deoxys (Form), Burmy (Form), Wormadam (Form), Shellos (Form), Gastrodon (Form), Rotom (Form), Giratina (Item), Shaymin (Item), Basculin (Form), Darmanitan (Ability), Meloetta (Move), Hoopa (Item), All Alolan Pokémon (Form)
- From the group that does not appear: Pyroar (Gender difference), Meowstic (Gender), Ash-Greninja (Ability), Zygarde (Forme), Kyurem (Item), Cosplay Pikachu (Form), Pikachu (Unknown), Spiky-eared Pichu (Form), Unown (Form), Cherrim (Ability), Arceus (Item), Flabébé (Form), Floette (Form), Florges (Form), Deerling (Form), Sawsbuck (Form), Tornadus (Item), Thundurus (Item), Landorus (Item), Keldeo (Move), Vivillon (Form), Furfrou (Form), Aegislash (Ability), Oricorio (Item), Silvally (Item), Minior (Ability), All Mega/Primal Evolution Pokémon (Item/Move),
- ...So, basically, I would guess that this might have been potentially overlooked. Who is to say? Granted, I do understand that Unown, Vivillon, Arceus, and Silvally likely are excluded for a good reason. --Super goku (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
- IMO, there definitely should be Oricorio with all its form, I thought that only forms with different type combination are added, but if there are also some gender differences... I even think there should be Mega Evolutions, if we will be adding forms. Asmod96 (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- Most of these are probably missing because, as was mentioned in my "Hippowdon" question, they don't have official Sugimori art. Frillish has official art for both genders, while Hippowdon doesn't, hence it doesn't get two pictures. P weird reasonong, but I guess it works; Oricorio DOES have official art (in fact, most mentioned Pokemon do) and the forms change typing (good enough reason if you ask me), so I think someone should add them. Also, why can't we merge the forms into a single line (similarly to Pokémon with unique type combinations page)? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)
- The most important thing to remember, I think, is that this is a list of Pokémon species. It's not a list of minisprites. It's not even a list of Pokémon's types—those are included supplementarily. And it's certainly not a list of Ken Sugimori art.
- On that note, I think the inclusion and exclusion of form differences should follow a less horrendously arbitrary standard. Either A) all forms with unique minisprites or types are included, or B) only one form per species is included, determined by a consistent criterion. If we go with A, I absolutely agree with KingisNitro that they should be merged into a single row, since it makes no sense to list the same species multiple times in a list of species. If we go B, I propose that the criterion be "whichever form is leftmost in Pokémon Bank's National Pokédex", since this is consistently a form that can be considered the most basic or "default".
- So the question is, A or B? Should we put it up to a vote? Randomwaffle23 (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
- I am going to mention that this technically is over six month old, but I will say that if anyone wants to put this up for a vote or needs to make a new section to discuss this can go ahead. Though, I do want to note that we now have issues with Pokémon like Togekiss who have two menu sprites just for which side they are facing. --Super goku (talk) 07:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
- Most of these are probably missing because, as was mentioned in my "Hippowdon" question, they don't have official Sugimori art. Frillish has official art for both genders, while Hippowdon doesn't, hence it doesn't get two pictures. P weird reasonong, but I guess it works; Oricorio DOES have official art (in fact, most mentioned Pokemon do) and the forms change typing (good enough reason if you ask me), so I think someone should add them. Also, why can't we merge the forms into a single line (similarly to Pokémon with unique type combinations page)? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talk • contribs)
- IMO, there definitely should be Oricorio with all its form, I thought that only forms with different type combination are added, but if there are also some gender differences... I even think there should be Mega Evolutions, if we will be adding forms. Asmod96 (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
- This is still not "fixed". If castform's forms count then I really do think many of the others should be included as well. Maybe not all Unown or Vivillon forms since they're purely cosmetic. I do think forms that change type or stats should be included (like Necrozma or Zygarde forms...) -Jor1ss (talk) 17:04, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- So, personally, I'm sorry that this keeps getting forgotten. On the other hand, even now, I can't muster enough of myself to "care" about it to check everything and do it up right... If someone wants to create a user page, we can look at it and see what's different and decide how much should be added. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- I'd love to help with adding them but maybe I can't because my account is only 1 day old? I'm also not sure what having a userpage would do for adding to the list? Isn't a userpage just a page for each user? I'm very new here so I don't really know what to do sorry. -Jor1ss (talk) 06:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- So, personally, I'm sorry that this keeps getting forgotten. On the other hand, even now, I can't muster enough of myself to "care" about it to check everything and do it up right... If someone wants to create a user page, we can look at it and see what's different and decide how much should be added. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
Alola
At the very top of the page, it still doesn't list Alola with the rest of the regions. AmoongussForLife (talk) 10:53, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Alolan Pokedex number of new Pokemon
The ADex numbers of Poipole, Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon, and Zeraora should be changed to 261, 262, 392, 393, and 403 respectively. sumwun (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if this kind of a "noisy post" or "bump" is allowed, but I need to somehow get someone to pay attention to this. sumwun (talk) 02:00, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Gliscor sprite missing
the Gliscor Sprite is missing, can't edit to put it in Yamitora1 (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
That's just an error on your end. AztecCroc (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Spin-off Pokedexes?
Sort of an off-topic but idk where else to ask; do we have Pokedexes for side/spin-off games (Rumble, Mystery Dungeon, Pinball, Ranger, Trozei/Shuffle...)? I think it would be neat to list the Pokemon with places to find them/other important information. If so - where, if not - why? If I made them on my page, could they be added to Bulba? (Where else can I ask this question?) ~KingisNitro (talk) 01:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
- As seen in the List of Pokémon template below the articles, yes, we do have Pokédex listing of other/spin-off games. Unless there's another listing you want to suggest.--ForceFire 03:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Meltan and Melmetal should not be under "generation VII" category
Officially, meltan and melmetal are under the region "unknown" and as such they should both be under that new category. furthermore, their pokedex numbers are 808 and 809 officially too. - unsigned comment from Supermassimo (talk • contribs)
- Well, I see what you mean but this list is sorted by generation. And those Pokémon were indeed introduced in the generation it says they were. --Raltseye prata med mej 14:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- By that logic though, shouldn't Marill and Togepi be listed as generation 1 pokemon, Munchlax as a generation 3 pokemon and Magearna as a generation 6 pokemon? In fact, every single generation other than the first had a pokemon revealed in some medium before the release of the main games and this is especially true of mythicals. (Victini is in a similar situation to Meltan being listed just after the gen 4 mythicals and before the gen 5 starters even though it is considered gen 5 itself)
- In fact, the only difference is that all these other pokemon were typically revealed in movies or the anime whereas Meltan/Melmetal are playable in Pokemon Go/Let's Go. That said, these are still just spinoff games (which actually don't even have any other gen 7 pokemon in them other than alolan forms) and neither Meltan nor Melmetal are available in any mainline gen 7 games. Finally, Pokemon Go goes as far as to classify Meltan's region as "Unknown" whereas it could have easily been listed as Alola if it was intended to be a gen 7 pokemon. (And Magearna has nothing to do with either Kalos nor Alola but is still classified as "Gen 7" in the Sun/Moon pokedex.
- Sorry, for the long rant but my point is that strictly speaking the situation for Meltan/Melmetal is "Unknown" and ideally this should be reflected on the page to avoid speculating. However, if people insist on assigning a region/generation to it, I think it's far more likely to be "Galar"/"Gen 8" and not "Alola". Just my 2 cents. MCX (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- I would agree with your logic if not for your assumption that LGPE are not mainline games. They are core Pokémon games, which has been reiterated multiple times by Masuda and the others at GF. Since they’re catchable and playable in a mainline Gen VII game, they’re Gen VII Pokémon. That’s what separates them from cases like Bonsly, which I think would have been a much better example than Marill or Munchlax. --celadonk (talk) 12:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- I'm still not convinced that it's relevant nor that it's the case that LGPE are core titles. I'm not sure which interview you are referring to when saying that Masuda has stated that LGPE are core games but afaik Sword and Shield were first announced as the unnamed 2019 mainline Switch games in e3 2017. Then LGPE were announced at a later time and people were giving GF crap until they clarified that LGPE weren't the same as the previously announced 2019 titles. Correct me if I remember any of this incorrectly but if not, this would indicate that LGPE are something less than core games. If LGPE are core games that's the equivalent of GF announcing Sun/Moon after XY and then saying "oh btw, before SM we are gonna release gen 3 remakes, they aren't the same games as SM, we just thought we should announce gen 7 first." Yeah, LGPE are much closer gameplay-wise to the core games than, say, mystery dungeon or pokemon pinball but they are also not quite there.
- I would agree with your logic if not for your assumption that LGPE are not mainline games. They are core Pokémon games, which has been reiterated multiple times by Masuda and the others at GF. Since they’re catchable and playable in a mainline Gen VII game, they’re Gen VII Pokémon. That’s what separates them from cases like Bonsly, which I think would have been a much better example than Marill or Munchlax. --celadonk (talk) 12:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, for the long rant but my point is that strictly speaking the situation for Meltan/Melmetal is "Unknown" and ideally this should be reflected on the page to avoid speculating. However, if people insist on assigning a region/generation to it, I think it's far more likely to be "Galar"/"Gen 8" and not "Alola". Just my 2 cents. MCX (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
- Moreover, even if Masuda has said in an interview "LGPE are core titles", I'm still not sure if that is relevant in classifying Meltan's gen. LGPE don't have Crobat or Electivire or any gen 2-7 pokemon but they have Megas and Alolan forms and Meltan. This is just a weird situation where they used Meltan as a promo thing - not at all an indication that it's gen 7. They've even dropped mainline mechanics like breeding and abilities... Meltan being there doesn't conclusively prove anything. I doubt we will get any official statement like "Btw Meltan belongs in X gen" but we are still probably going to get a conclusive answer when they colour code Meltan along with either the gen 7 or gen 8 pokemon in some future title's pokedex. I'm just saying that until then we should keep its status as "Unknown" because that's what it currently is. MCX (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- You can check the interview section in the LGPE guidebook if you don't believe that he explicitly has said that they're core titles. "These games aren't spinoffs. These are core Pokémon titles" is the exact quote. Since Meltan and Melmetal appeared in Gen 7 core titles, they're Gen 7 Pokemon. Simple enough. If for whatever reason they change that, then we'll change that too. But we don't really have any reason to believe otherwise. --celadonk (talk) 23:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
- Moreover, even if Masuda has said in an interview "LGPE are core titles", I'm still not sure if that is relevant in classifying Meltan's gen. LGPE don't have Crobat or Electivire or any gen 2-7 pokemon but they have Megas and Alolan forms and Meltan. This is just a weird situation where they used Meltan as a promo thing - not at all an indication that it's gen 7. They've even dropped mainline mechanics like breeding and abilities... Meltan being there doesn't conclusively prove anything. I doubt we will get any official statement like "Btw Meltan belongs in X gen" but we are still probably going to get a conclusive answer when they colour code Meltan along with either the gen 7 or gen 8 pokemon in some future title's pokedex. I'm just saying that until then we should keep its status as "Unknown" because that's what it currently is. MCX (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Request to add Trivia section
I would like to see a Trivia section added to the bottom of the list, with the following single item:
- With the sole exception of Type: Null, all English Pokémon names in this list are also used for Italian and Spanish languages. The names for Type: Null in Italian and Spanish are, respectively, Tipo Zero and Código Cero.
This is to avoid the need for any separate List of Italian Pokémon names and List of Spanish Pokémon names pages that would differ from this English page by ONLY ONE ROW. (Currently, those two page titles are redirects to the English list.) --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 10:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Gen 8 Starters
Grookey, Scorbunny, and Sobble would be National Pokedex 810, 813, and 816. Can these numbers please be added? Kimichael4317 (talk) 05:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- We do not actually know that so no, they won't be added. --Raltseye prata med mej 05:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
- We have no guarantee as to whether there would be another Victini-like scenario where a Mythical Pokémon would be enumerated right before the starters (as happened in Unova, twice). Hence why we cannot safely assume 810, 813, 816 – it could end up being 811, 814, 817. ‑‑SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) 💬 07:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Zekrom has an extra space next to his name.
That is all. - unsigned comment from MrKarato (talk • contribs)
Handling forms + smaller suggestions
As far as I can tell there's no pattern to how forms are handled on this page. Some Pokémon with alternate forms or major gender differences have their forms present, others do not. Frankly, since it’s a list of Pokémon species according to their number, no Pokémon with form differences should be even included in a different line. Either the alternate forms should be removed entirely, only including the “base” form, or the lines should be combined like on List of Pokémon with unique type combinations. Personally, I'd prefer to have no forms displayed-- it would make the page a whole lot cleaner and easier to use-- but I can see the purpose of displaying forms, so I think that something like this would be best:
| Kdex | Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| #026 | #026 | 
|
Raichu | Electric | |
|
Electric | Psychic | |||
Again, I think that not displaying forms would be the best way to go, but either way, the current system of handling forms is unsatisfactory, both in the inconsistency between which forms are shown and which are not, and in the actual formatting of the forms.
Additionally, I have two smaller suggestions. First, I believe that it would be better to display the National Pokédex number before the regional Pokédex number, rather than vice versa, as this is a page on the National Pokédex, and that should take priority. Second, at the end of each section, there is no roundy template on the bottom, as you can see above, which makes the bottom of each section square and not as aesthetically pleasing. --celadonk (talk) 20:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
The problem with formes/forms is that there's many different kinds of forms. There's only visual forms (most male female differences/unown forms etc) and there's forms where the stats change (meowstic male/female for instance). There's forms where the typing changes (Wormadom/Necrozma's various forms). There's temporary forms that are only visible in battle (megas/greninja/cherubi). There's temporary forms that are changed by using an item or by depositing the pokemon or by whatever arbitrary reason (giratina/tornadus etc.). There's also regional forms, where a pokemon cannot change to the other form but is basically a different pokemon altogether (alolan and soon galarian forms). Maybe the list should just include all the base forms? And then there could be a seperate table listing all the additional forms for a pokemon?Jor1ss (talk) 12:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Information to readers
I want to modify the title section, but I have no permission. Could someone add the sentence “All English, Italian and Spanish Pokémon names are identical, but, depending on the language, they're pronounced differently.”? --TheICTLiker4 18:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
- That's not relevant to the article at all.--ForceFire 04:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Well, most european languages use the same names as the English version anyway, in fact only German and French are the the ones that consistently differ. Unless you count the languages that use a different alphabet, only Serbian, Lithuanian and some more perhaps are the only ones that does not use the standard English names instead transcribing it to their own orthography. So I see no really point in mentioned them all here. A simple line like
most other languages using the Latin alphabet also uses these nameswould suffice in my opinion. - I'm thinking maybe if it's okay with the staff around to make redirect for
List of Swedish/Icelandic/Spanish/Romanian/etc. Pokémon namesto this page. - Otherwise, if you're interested, at least one Spanish and Italian name do actually differ from the English name, Type: Null. I've made list articles about which names I have found being used in other languages here.
- --Raltseye prata med mej 13:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
- Well, most european languages use the same names as the English version anyway, in fact only German and French are the the ones that consistently differ. Unless you count the languages that use a different alphabet, only Serbian, Lithuanian and some more perhaps are the only ones that does not use the standard English names instead transcribing it to their own orthography. So I see no really point in mentioned them all here. A simple line like
Yamper and Impidimp
They're not on here for some reason? Can someone who can edit this page fix that?AztecCroc (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Aug 7 Trailer - New Pokémon
In the newest trailer, two new Pokémon (Obstagoon and Morpeko), as well as the Galarian forms of Weezing, Zigzagoon, and Linoone were revealed. I don't see them listed on this page yet, those Impidimp, which has still not been officially revealed is. CMP (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
Missing
Currently, Galarian Meowth is missing from this list. MarioMiner (talk) 03:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Dex Shortcuts
Can we get the dex shortcuts removed or redirected correctly? They're just redirecting to the top of this page. Joe kik as (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
- That's the point of the shortcuts. They're just redirects of this article, and they're there for reference.--ForceFire 04:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- But why is it at the top of the page if it's just redirecting to the top. If anything it should redirect to different pages corresponding to those links. Joe kik as (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I already said why, they're there for reference. To let users know which shortcut to type out in the search bar if they wanted to find this article easier (since typing out the entire title would be a hassle). The other dex listings also have shortcuts that lead to their respective articles.--ForceFire 16:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- But why is it at the top of the page if it's just redirecting to the top. If anything it should redirect to different pages corresponding to those links. Joe kik as (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Ndex as the first column
I think the Ndex number should probably be the first column. This is the main subject of this list.
The Ndex is currently the 2nd column, which seems like a secondary position. (even though in the case of the first 151 Pokémon, the numbers are the same) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 10:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
{{rdex}}is convenient. I don't think it's that big an issue to make another template just for this. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)- I'm with Daniel here. This is a list of Pokemon by National Pokedex number. Surely that should be the primary focus. --celadonk (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I could do the job of creating a new template and editing this page if this idea is accepted. It could be simply a new template based on
{{rdex}}with reverse parameters. A possible name could be{{nrdex}}(since{{ndex}}is taken) .--Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)- The header is the only thing here that would need to be changed if this were to be done. --Abcboy (talk) 01:05, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Aside from that, we may also want to reverse the order of the numbers for each Pokémon in List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number, to make the wikitext match the resulting page. I can do this if needed. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- The header is the only thing here that would need to be changed if this were to be done. --Abcboy (talk) 01:05, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- I could do the job of creating a new template and editing this page if this idea is accepted. It could be simply a new template based on
- I'm with Daniel here. This is a list of Pokemon by National Pokedex number. Surely that should be the primary focus. --celadonk (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Pokémon with different forms not present in the list
I don't understand the criteria for Pokémon with different forms, by the type of them:
Gender differences : We do not include the forms of Indeedee, Pyroar and Meowstic, But we allow Unfezant, Frillish and Jellycent?
Different permanent forms but with the same typing: Lycanrock and Toxtricity. But it allows other permanent forms, e.g. Shellos, Gastrodont and Basculin.
Different Forms and different types: Kyurem and Necruzma. But allows Castform, Rotom, Melloeta, Hoopa, Shaymin and Oricorio.
Different Battle forms but same types: Wishiwashi, Cherrim, Landorus, Thundurus, Tornadus, Kyurem, Keldeo, Greninja, Zygarde and Minior are not included. But Deoxis and Gyratina are on the list.
No applicable to the above criteria: Unown, Arceus, Deerling, Sawsbuck, Vivillon, The Flabébé Family and Furfrou. But we do have Burmy and Wormadam and Urshifu. (I understand that the Pokémon in this las criteria have a lot of forms, and that the reason of not their including is for space and order in the page)
Can some one please explain me the criteria for allowing the different forms selection?
--Neos 10:19, April 16 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, it does seem rather arbitrary to me.
- I think I've mentioned this above but this page is a list of Pokemon by number first and foremost. Including forms at all, imo, muddles the numbering up, at least for me. --celadonk (talk) 13:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
You forgot NDex# of Galarian Slowking
Force Fire: You added NDex numbers for Galarian forms of Slowbro & the Legendary Birds (even if no menu sprites exist for them yet), but you forgot Galarian Slowking:
{{rdex||???|Slowking|1|???}}
Given this page is protected, I cannot change the page myself; could you please provisionally change that line to:
{{rdex||199G|Slowking|1|???}}
‐‑SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) 💬 17:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Fixed --Spriteit (talk) 01:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- This page needs to be edited as Galarian Slowking's type was confirmed to be Poison/Psychic like Galarian Slowbro was. Kangaflora (talk) 19:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
891-893
Pokemon Home's Pokedex , after this morning's patch, seems to confirm that Kubfu, Urshifu, and Zarude are numbers 891, 892, and 893 respectively. That is all. Sorry if this text is really big for some reason.- unsigned comment from Zigzagoon97 (talk • contribs)
(Understandable) Style Inconsistencies
To be consistent with the style of the page before the Crown Tundra was released, only Calyrex's base form should be present, as neither Kyurem (which, admittedly, does not change type) nor Necrozma (which does change type, and thus should be treated exactly the same way as Calyrex) have their fusion forms present on this list. Alternatively, including Necrozma's forms, and possibly Kyurem's forms, would solve this issue. MarioMiner (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
- Another style inconsistency - in the Generation IV section of the page, Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus, the Gen IV Pokémon without Sinnoh Pokédex numbers, have their portions of the "Sdex" column blank. However, Meltan, Melmetal, Kubfu, Urshifu, Zarude, Regieleki, Regidrago, Glastrier, Spectrier, and Calyrex, all Pokémon that do not appear in their respective generations' regional Pokédexes, have "#---" in their regional Pokédex (Adex for Meltan and Melmetal, Gdex for the rest) columns. MarioMiner (talk) 00:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
Zygarde's Forms
Zygard seems to be the only Pokémon currently missing alternate forms. RomajiMiltonAmulo (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Legends: Arceus Pokémon
Are the Pokémon and Regional Forms that were shown in the new Pokémon Legends: Arceus trailer going to be added now or when the game releases? -Ratboy Jr. (talk) 22:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Mega Aerodactyl needs to be added.
A couple Megas were forgotten to be added. Could you please scout through and add them? - unsigned comment from Necrozma800 (talk • contribs)
- They are left out for a reason, Mega Evolutions are not completely new species, they are a transformed state of the same base species.--ForceFire 07:06, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
Legends arceus pokemon
We need numbers for Basculegion, wyrdeer, Kleavor, we need these pokemon added Overqwil, Enamorus, Ursaluna, and Sneasler. Dex numbers (national) are : 899 is Wyrdeer 900 is Kleavor 901 is Ursaluna 902 is Basculegion 903 is Sneasler 904 is Overqwil, 905 is Enamorus, so yeah ItsRobloxHere (talk) 00:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
H.Goodra's typing
it should be Steel/Dragon, not Dragon/Steel. Anzasquiddles (talk) 05:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
Hisuian Braviary's MSP, and Origin Formes for Dialga and Palkia
Well, the second point is more of a question. I see there's plenty of contention on the matter of form-inclusion, but Giratina's Origin Forme is on the list so I thought I'd mention it. Pichugetic (talk) 01:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, just noticed: also Hisuian Avalugg. Pichugetic (talk) 07:31, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
Unfezant, Frillish and Jellycent: only one entry per Pokémon?
For the majority of Pokémon, only the male appearence is shown. However, it does not apply for Shellos, Gastrodon, Unfezant, Frillish and Jellycent. Shellos and Gastrodon are region-based in several (all?) games, so displaying both appearances is justified, but it does not apply for Unfezant, Frillish and Jellycent. So is there something special about those 3 Pokémon that grants 2 entries for each of them in the list? Y2110 (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
EDIT: Oh, it has already been discussed on this page. My bad
3D Sprites
Why have the 2D sprites been changed to the 3D Pokemon Home ones? The 3D sprites mesh horribly with the tables and lists, take up too much space, and have too much color and detail making it hard to focus on anything but the sprites themselves. I can understand wanting to upgrade but sometimes less is more especially for someone who has sensitive eyes or ADHD. There could at least be an option to select whether you what to view 2D or 3D sprites.Strawhatroger (talk) 16:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- It's a necessity. We already had too much inconsistency between sprites from SwSh, LGPE, PLA and older ones, soon we'll get another ones for SV which would make it even worse. Fortunately HOME sprite are very consistent and exist for alternate forms. They don't take more space because previously we already had big 68px squares.--Rocket Grunt 17:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
The HOME sprites pop out way too much and are too bright hurting my eyes making it very difficult to do thing like look at lists without straining my eyes.Strawhatroger (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I've added some Bulbasaur and Basculegion image examples at the top of this discussion now.
- As TRG was saying, the list with 2D sprites was using inconsistent styles (including 2D sprites from SwSh like that Bulbasaur, and 3D face portraits from PLA like that Basculegion). We may have 2D sprites for most of the currently available Pokémon, but not all of them.
- Since you mentioned the size, let me point out that those 2D sprites typically were 68px images with white space around the Pokémon (a lot of white space in my opinion). I've changed them to those 3D images with 60px size, so they are occupying less space than before.
- For instance, it seems there are at least 1,000 lines on these tables, so the page should be approximately 8,000 pixels shorter than before with the current 3D sprites.
- Although to be fair, the image size can be changed in the template so it could become smaller or larger if needed. If anyone thinks that the 2D sprites with a lot of whitespace around looked good, it's also possible to add whitespace around the 3D images (without needing to edit the images). --Daniel Carrero (talk) 18:43, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Did someone reverted the 3D sprites? now they are back to the 2D ones.
- I really support the idea of using the HOME menu sprites for this page and for what I have seen in the latest SV trailers the classic Menu minisprites are now gone. So by using as the source of sprites HOME we will be sure that's there will be a unify menu art style. --Neos (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yes. The change was reverted back to the 2D sprites, pending further discussion. Sorry for the trouble. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 23:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Finally! Someone who actually listens to other people's opinions and uses common sense. I've looked at any trailer and screenshot of SV I could find and if anything it looks like 2D sprites will be returning, and if it really comes down to it perhaps we can just use the official artwork since it's easier on the eyes.Strawhatroger (talk) 05:02, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Urshifu and Female Pokémon
Since the two forms of Urshifu shared a menusprite, the Home art for Rapid Strike style Urshifu will have to be added manually globally. I don't think there is another Pokémon with this issue. Female Pokémon such as Unfezant, Jellicent, etc. will also have to be added manually. And since they are included, the female forms of Meowstic, Indeedee, Basculegion and Pyroar should have their own entries as well. Or none of them should. Just make it consistent. Necrozma is also missing its forms, even though they change type. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 18:00, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- I'm wondering if we should change female forms manually or the HOME images could be renamed. I'm fine with both, but I'd like to know what to do.--Rocket Grunt 19:02, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm adding the Urshifu sprite to move pages, but I'll wait with Indeedee and Meowstic, as a simple redirect would solve those issues as opposed to Urshifu. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 19:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Forms of Pokémon that should be added into this list
I know that I spoke about this more that two years ago, but there are a lot of inconsistencies in the list regarding which Pokémon forms get to be in this list and which don't, I get that Gigantamax and Mega's aren't allowed in this list, but there are Pokémon that have very different forms ranging from Gender, alternative and even different learnset's, and I think that they should be added into the list as well because there are pokemon that share the exact situation has the ones that I'm going to propose that are already on the list.
Candidates for inclusion on the list based in multiple criteria:
By gender extreme differences:
Indeedee Female
Pyroar Female
Meowstic Female
Basculegion Female
(Pokémon subject to this criteria that are already present on the list with Male and Female forms are: Unfezant, Frillish and Jellycent)
Pokemon with special forms that can't be changed:
Lycanrock Midnight form
Lycanrock Dusk form
Toxtricity Low Key form
Sandy Cloak Wormadam
Trash Cloak Wormadam
(Pokémon subject to this criteria that have different forms already present on the list are: Shellos, Gastrodont, Basculin and Urshifu)
Diferent Fusions with different Types:
White Kyurem
Black Kyurem
Dusk Mane Necrozma
Dawn Wings Necrozma
Ultra Necrozma
Pokemon with the capability of change between forms upon different scenarios:
Wishiwashi School form
Cherrim Sunshine form
Landorus Therian form
Thundurus Therian form
Tornadus Therian form
Enamorus Therian form
Keldeo Resolute form
Zygarde 10% form
Zygarde 100% form
(Pokémon subject to this criteria that have different forms already present on the list are: Castform, Rotom, Melloeta, Hoopa, Shaymin, Oricorio, Deoxis, Dialga, Palkia and Gyratina)
Please consider adding the proposed forms listed above, or consider delisting the Pokémon forms that are already present in parentheses at the end of each category, since if the Pokémons requested to be added are not added personally I don't see a justified reason to keep the extra forms that are present at the moment.
--Neos (talk) 18:23, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Also this should be more easy now that we have the Pokémon HOME models for this list --Neos (talk) 18:28, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
- Being as long as it is, I think adding on to the list uneccessarily unless its a non-battle form change that changes the user's type. That being said, there are some forms missing that can be added, and I agree that some of the listings, like the gender differences, are superfluous. - Chosen (Talk) 01:11, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
(resetting indent)These and many forms have (mostly) been added. You can see here a list of forms that were not included (as of pre-SV). Generally, forms for abandoned mechanics (like Megas) are excluded.
These details could change with discussion. I know that all forms are pretty much in HOME, which may argue for adding Megas and such. (If we do do that, I feel like we should throw in Spiky-eared Pichu and other non-HOME forms too.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- If I may make suggestions, I think that form names could be split into new lines with <br>tag like it is done on many pages already. How about adding generation number to each Pokémon so new people would know they can't have Alolan Pokemon in games like FRLG despite existing in LGPE? What about slight cellpadding so these files won't look so squeezed? Also, there's a small mistake with Cramorant's type and tables aren't curved at the bottom.--Rocket Grunt 08:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Personally, I'm not all about line breaks. IDK about anyone else, but at times I'll just copy a column/table straight from the page, and line breaks mess with that. (And comparing, say, the type pages, I'm not wowed by the difference in presentation. I could even argue that this format is better.)
- I did actually consider adding a column for game introduced, but I didn't get any feedback about that idea and didn't quite feel like mocking it up, so that part is completely untested.
- If you want to suggest what you think looks good for padding, I can see. But IMO it's "fine" for now. /shrug
- Roundy is about the last thing I'm worried about honestly. If I work on the list again, I may see about it. (It's definitely not worth adding some condition to the templates.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:18, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Eternal Floette
Not included on this page (should be) and all it had was the menusprite. It will need a redirect. Probably 
will do. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 19:46, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Pokedex Arts
I really like that we change the classic 2D menusprites for the 2D Sugimori art for each Pokémon, since not all of them have menusprites and it most certain that in the future the old menusprites will not be used in games, we need to have a consistent art style.--Neos (talk) 15:35, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- Couldn't agree more, thank you guys for finally making this happen. Looks awesome. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 22:42, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
I see that most forms have been cleaned up, but Basculin has only 2 of its 33 forms in the list.--Jor1ss (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC) I obviously meant 3 and not 33 but it won't let me change it without signing it again.--Jor1ss (talk) 14:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Isle of Armor, Crown Tundra, Hisui, and Paldea dex numbers
- Hello, I'd like to request addition of Pokédex numbers for the Isle of Armor, Crown Tundra, and Hisui Pokémon. Just use the sup|Isle of Armor and sup|Crown Tundra for the IoA/CT Pokémon, add an LADex column for Hisui Pokémon.
Also, we have a few Paldea Pokédex numbers, they are: Sprigatito #001, Fuecoco #004, Quaxly #007, Lechonk #010, Pawmi #022, Fidough #076. Thanks, PinkYoshiGaming (talk) 17:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Cramorant's type
Cramorant's types are maldisplayed on gen 8 table. The article is locked so I hope this could be fixed soon. Saphir (talk) 12:27, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing it out. (Also TRG.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:21, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Gen 9 Dex numbers are largely incorrect
The numbers here are their index number in the data, not their National Dex numbers which we don't actually know yet and while that's fine, we need to let people know that.--Nintenfreak (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- I think the Chinese-language wiki has the intended National Dex numbers on the pages of each individual Pokemon, but if there's no way to conform the numbers 100% they should be reverted to "#???" but ordered using their numbers in the Paldea Pokedex. Superjustinbros. (talk) 01:17, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Did the hard work:
- I think the Chinese-language wiki has the intended National Dex numbers on the pages of each individual Pokemon, but if there's no way to conform the numbers 100% they should be reverted to "#???" but ordered using their numbers in the Paldea Pokedex. Superjustinbros. (talk) 01:17, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- What seem to be the intended Dex numbers for the Paldea Pokemon were added in the first patch which came out on launch day, maybe that could be used as the basis for the national Dex numbers since they're all put in a more proper order? Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
Number 980 and 987 are missing from the list. Is that an error or have they just not been revealed yet? --DudeGuy (talk) 02:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- They are dummied out Pokémon not in the base game but should be added with updates, which is why I suspect this isn't the actual National Dex number. It's more likely this is the internal index number. You can see sketches of what these Pokémon will look like while playing the game.--Nintenfreak (talk) 03:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- Just confirming this, some TCG products were revealed. Pawmi is #0921 and Smoliv is #0928, which means it's not EXACTLY in the order they appear in the game since it looks like Clodsire probably got moved to be with the other evolutions of old Pokémon.--Nintenfreak (talk) 09:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Also gholdengo is #1000 and gimmighoul #999 but I can’t update it RogueAngel7272 (talk) 20:05, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Notes
Meadow Vivillon is listed as the Polar Pattern, Paldean Tauros are missing, and I get why Arceus has "Arceus" under its name, but it's really redundant. If the Deerling and Cramorant forms are listed separately, then Ash-Greninja and Eternal Floette should also be listed. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 00:14, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
- The page explicitly lists form names like HOME does.
- I made the decision to only include Pokemon that aren't part of an obsolete mechanic like Megas. To me that includes Ash-Greninja and Floette. There hasn't been much discussion about if that's best. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:19, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Paldean Tauros
Just wanted to note that Paldean Tauros' type is wrong, and that all breeds should be listed as they have different types. Petrichor (talk) 18:04, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
hey
the official artworks for all Gen 9 Pokemon are arriving! WASPED 302168 (talk) 14:52, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
I have a question, how much time is often need after the games official release and the full release of the official arts for every Pokémon??? 2, 3 or 4 months??? Neos (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, last time it was 20 days, so it would be expected in 5. I think this was the site that published them first.--Rocket Grunt 17:48, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
National Pokédex Number for Paldean Pokémon
Apparently the National Pokédex Number for Paldean Pokémon has been revealed. https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/1600515136070057986 Should we go ahead and change the order, or do we wait for now? Harryghost (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- I would wait for something official.--Rocket Grunt 22:37, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
- That would mean waiting for Pokémon Home to update. I think it would be more prudent to go ahead and work with the datamined numbers and if we need to change them later, change them later. Simple as.--Nintenfreak (talk) 03:20, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
- At the very least, the current situation is causing problems for templates that expect Pokémon sprites to be labeled by their National Dex number rather than by name (such as the "trainerlist" set used on Trainer class pages), so something ought to be done about that sooner rather than (months) later. (And anyways, if we're being pedantic, datamined info is already in use in plenty of places around the site, so I don't see why this data is any less kosher?) Zyxyz (talk) 12:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
Why can't I edit the page?
I've confirmed my email address, but the option to edit isn't appearing for me. Is there a reason for that that I'm not aware of? Also, I am able to edit other pages, this is the only I've seen so far that I can't. --Greenninja22 (talk) 22:25, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- I'm guessing you've just joined Bulbapedia, you're not autoconfirmed so can't edit straight away, it is also possible the page is protected so that either only admin can edit the page or new members can't--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 22:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Gen IX
Add paldean to the list of regions at the start of the article Gliscor8 (talk) 02:42, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Paldea Gliscor8 (talk) 02:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
Official Gen IX Order (?)
Pokémon recently uploaded this commemorating each Mon, and at the end they seem to reveal the official order of the Paldean Dex. The numbers of some do correspond with the teased TCG Dex numbers of certain Paldean Mons. It might be safe to fill in the rest of the Dex now.
Setralystic (talk) 14:33, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
I agree with the orden present in the vido has well, even in the video and in the official site for Pokémon Scarlet and Violet states that Gholdengo is the 1000th pokemon, the order shown must be the official one. --Neos (talk) 15:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Official Artwork
Add official Artwork for all paldean pokemon Gliscor8 (talk) 00:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
- Not all of the artwork has been revealed yet. Yes, there's some leaked artwork but again, not all of that has been revealed.
Setralystic (talk) 01:52, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Zero-Padding for Numbers
Since there are now over 1000 Pokémon, both the official Japanese Pokédex page and the TCG are adding an extra zero to the beginning of existing Dex numbers below 906 (Bulbasaur is already listed as "#0001" on the official website, etc. - going up from there). I feel like implementing this change site-wide would take quite some time, as the three-digit numbers are used on at least a thousand pages across the site, but this might be the best place to start with that. Thoughts? Mudkip0258 (talk) 15:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Forms of Gen IX Pokémon missing from the list
I think that we should add in to the list the forms of Maushold Family of Three, Dudunsparce Three-Segment form and for Squawkabilly the blue, white and yellow Plumage forms, since there are other Pokémon with multiple and even grater number of forms represented in this list even if they do not posees 2D artwork, even in the Pokémon official site this forms are represented with 3D in game models from Scarlet and Violet. --Neos (talk) 20:19, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Images
To me it looks like the first 3 Pokémon of the Ruinous quartet are using the old leaked images instead of the revealed art. Chi-Yu seems to be updated. I would show an image but... (nvm i didnt refresh my page) Setralystic (talk) 01:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
Gen 9 Starter Evos Official Artwork
Even though their artwork has been officially released and their individual pages use them, this page still doesn't have them. Can someone fix that? --Greenninja22 (talk) 17:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
DLC
Add the revealed Pokemon from the presentation (I know we don't know much about them yet)
Δ✓δ↔ - unsigned comment from Gliscor8 (talk • contribs)
Unrevealed №s
The SV DLC Pokémon whose numbers have yet to be revealed should have #???? in the table rather than #0000. This would more accurately reflect that their numbers are yet to be revealed. Here's a table for comparion:
| Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| #0000 |  |
Ogerpon |
Unknown | |
| #???? | Ogerpon | Ogerpon |
Unknown | |
This seems to break the images in the table. However, the images only work using #0000 because redirects from File:0000Species.png to File:Species.png have been created. Adding an #ifeq to the template would allow the images to work again, this time without using file redirects. This would also eliminate the need to create file redirects for this purpose in the future. Here's an example where I've replaced the second line with a modified version of the template:
| Ndex | MS | Pokémon | Type | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| #0000 | |
Ogerpon |
Unknown | |
| #???? | |
Ogerpon |
Unknown | |
I understand this is a pretty small issue at the moment, but eliminating the need to create file redirects in the future would be nice. A modified version of Template:Ndex that would make this change possible can be found at User:Kauli/Template:Ndex. ‒Kᴀᴜʟɪ 〔Tᴀʟᴋ+〕 13:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Ursaluna (Bloodmoon form)
I think we should add Ursaluna's Bloodmoon form to the list since its an unique form of Ursaluna that without triggering a transformation gets itself differentiated from the original form, not only in stats but also in artwork and in move set, like other Pokémon with multiple forms that are on this list. --Neos (talk) 14:34, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Kyogre and Groudon
Why are Kyogre and Groudon's names listed twice? Bandana Hewer Dee (talk) 21:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
kitakami abd bluberry
shouldnt they be listed after paldea in the opening paragraph. maybe not blueberry, since its not a region.Roserade57 (talk) 04:49, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
A couple of issues I have with the way this list handles forms:
- There's a bit of inconsistency regarding what Pokémon do and don't have their forms listed on the page. Not all form differences are listed as some minor ones, such as Unown, Furfrou, Zarude, Magearna, etc., are excluded, giving the impression that only major forms should be listed here. By this logic, I take issue with the inclusion of the alternate forms of Genesect, Flabébé, Floette, Florges, Xerneas, Mimikyu, and Cramorant, who, like the Pokémon I listed earlier, have form differences minor enough to not have official artwork for the alternate forms and that don't tend to be separated on official Pokémon lists (e.g. this website - while Darmanitan, Eiscue, Maushold, Squawkabilly, and Dudunsparce don't have proper artwork for their forms either, I give them a pass since they at least have renders that are used alongside official art on that website). Admittedly, Cap Pikachu is a bit of an edge case, as while they do have proper official artwork, they aren't consistently listed separately in official sources, so I could see that one going either way.
- For some of the Pokémon that have only one of their forms listed, the name of that form is still noted despite there not being any other forms to differentiate from, so it ends up a little cryptic and unhelpful. This applies to Unown, Vivillon (especially strange since that's not technically the "primary" form, just the one that happens to be used for the artwork), Furfrou, Silvally, Alcremie, Koraidon, and Miraidon (though strangely, some other Pokémon in the same situation, such as Sinistea, don't have this quirk). The worst offenders, though, are Kyogre, Groudon, and Arceus, which bizarrely have all their names listed twice. I get this is an attempt to match the naming of forms in the Pokédex, but the Pokédex only does it that way to differentiate the forms from each other, which we don't need to do here since we aren't listing the other forms of these Pokémon. The legend on the article already acknowledges that blindly following the Pokédex at the expense of logic isn't what's best in every case, so why can't that be extended to these Pokémon? Because "Arceus (Arceus)" makes no sense at all to most viewers and isn't really achieving anything besides causing confusion.
Hewer (talk) 20:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Forgot to mention, Bloodmoon Ursaluna should absolutely be included, it's a more major form difference than some of the forms already on the list. Its exclusion is probably just a mistake no one's addressed. Hewer (talk) 14:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Ultra Necrozma
As stated in, Forms of Pokémon that should be added into this list, earlier on this page people want Ultra Necrozma to be added to the List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number. I beilive that Ultra Necrozma should be added to this list because Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings Necrozma (and Black and White Kyurem) have already been added to this list, as Ultra Necrozma is also a fusion between pokemon. And that is why I belive Ultra Necrozma should be added to List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number. 0Clod&sire (talk) 23:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
