Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with insource:"flickr4jazz" insource:"candid"

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Files found with Special:Search/insource:"flickr4jazz" insource:"candid"

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Photos that were likely taken without consent. I already filtered files without people in them. (see here)

347 files down the crapper

- Alexis Jazz ping plz 20:39, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel for the following after I blurred them:

One I'm not sure about:

Files found with Special:Search/insource:"flickr4jazz" insource:"candid"

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- Alexis Jazz ping plz 20:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, those of these that are definitely no-permission candids of a single person or a small number of people should absolutely be deleted. Some, like File:New York City - 26 July 2008 Jazz in Washington Square (2706038915).jpg, are crowd shots with less personality issues, though I question whether they are in scope. Others, like File:New York City - 26 July 2008 Jazz in Washington Square (2706036947).jpg, fall in a grey area - photos of individual performers that may have less expectations of privacy, and more potential use as photos, than shots of random people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pi.1415926535 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 6 June 2018 (UTC) (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: You accidentally signed with ~~~~~. I also noticed a few shots of performers when going through them. Those that I noticed were showing minors and I don't think the girl in the photo you linked is an adult either. That tips the scale to delete for me. Candid camera plus minor equals creepy. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 00:47, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, good catch on that. And yeah, them probably being minors makes a good case to delete. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
File:New York City - 26 July 2008 (2706050753).jpg as well as some others looks like a scenery shot with some people in them more than anything else. I've certainly had my share of those. Hell, even the Historic American Building Survey and National Archives and Records Administration have taken pictures of people. when they intended to get pics of places. -----DanTD (talk) 03:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DanTD: I bet they didn't use a candid camera though. But that one was on my list to be blurred, which I'll do this week. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 05:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes I wonder how far we have to go with this. This couple making out on a subway train I can understand the need to delete, but these musicians in Washington Square, those people in costumes drenched in fake blood (which looks like it might've been for some kind of parade), that little kid in a cow costume (which I'm still trying to find), and people in parades in general look too much like the grey area that Pi was referring to. This guy, on the other hand, actually wanted to be in my shot of the bridge between the BMT Jamaica and IND Fulton sections of Broadway Junction (New York City Subway) ----DanTD (talk) 13:28, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
One other candid picture I came across was this one which claimed to be on the "Fulton Street Subway," even though the sign behind the window clearly says "Chambers Street." It's also part of another group of candid photos claiming to be on the "Fulton Street Subway" in Manhattan. If that one picture is incorrect, it seems like an indication of some less than accurate reliability for the descriptions. ----DanTD (talk) 19:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DanTD: let me know if you find the kid in the cow costume. I think I know what you mean but I can't find it either. It's probably not in this DR. The issue with "these musicians in Washington Square" is (for me) that I doubt the girl is an adult. If you view this DR as a gallery it becomes obvious many photos are photos of women so that's just a bit too sketchy. File:New York City - 26 July 2008 Jazz in Washington Square (2706040587).jpg on the other hand does not feature any possible minors/scantily clad girls so I don't have any problem with that. The main reason for cropping that was actually that the audience just isn't in scope, it was needed to make the picture usable. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 15:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
She could be in her 20's for all either of us know. Maybe she just looks young to you. I once met a young woman who hit on me in my late-20's who I later found out was still in high school, and I used our age differences to make her give up on me. On the other hand, I knew somebody who was trying to buy a house, and the previous owner was an old lady living with her granddaughter who I thought was 14, but instead turned out to be 28! And as a kid, I had neighbors who's boys grew peach fuzzes in their pre-teens. I suppose the best reason to let a picture or more of her stay is that she's performing in the park with her boyfriend, or somebody I assume to be her boyfriend. Regardless of how she's dressed, she's not performing some kind of porn sketch. She and the guy are just playing music. As for the kid in the cow costume, I'll keep trying to look for him or her, but I still wonder about the candid pictures of people in parades, or street musicians like the ones you're having such a problem with. Then, there's the issue of pics of barmaids, waiters and other random people. I'm still on the fence about some of those, but on others, I kind of agree with you. ----DanTD (talk) 16:15, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
She could be 13 or she could be 30, but since we have no clue we should be cautious. Although she is performing in the park, the moment somebody visibly pulls out a camera or phone she could say "no pictures please" or walk away. For me it's the combination of a candid camera and a girl in hotpants who may or may not be an adult. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 16:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A Nikon D80 is not what I'd call a candid camera. It would be obvious that he's taking pictures or at least intends to. clpo13(talk) 17:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
File:Sights and People of NYC (2482199734).jpg and File:Sights and People of NYC (2482185922).jpg were also taken with a D80, yet those people really don't seem to be aware of the presence of a camera. I don't know if/how he's hiding the camera, maybe in a bag or something. The description on File:A Great Day in New York, New York (3619913835).jpg says "Candid subway photo of young couple in love. They couldn't hear the shutter due to the noise of the train.", that photo was taken with a Nikon D700, almost twice the weight of the D80. File:A Walk in Manhattan, New York (3757365971).jpg says "Guy with a Nikon camera. Candid street photography. Watch out! I might catch you next!". - Alexis Jazz ping plz 18:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question; Why does this photo of a woman on the alleged "Fulton Street Subway" contain two deletion tags? Shouldn't one be enough? ----DanTD (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DanTD: that one was originally nominated by Pi.1415926535 (Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fulton Street Subway, Manhattan, New York (3879205933).jpg) which is also what triggered me to create this DR. That file should be in this DR to prevent having two discussions about the same thing. That original DR isn't really needed anymore as we now have this. So the answer to your question is "technical reasons". - Alexis Jazz ping plz 21:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE - I just found the little kid in the cow costume, and I now realize it's not a cow costume. ----DanTD (talk) 19:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DanTD: hey, that's not the picture I remember. The one I remember was darker (really dark, possibly night), I think the kid was further away from the camera, possibly a bit more to the left and there were other people in the picture. (I think 3-5 others) - Alexis Jazz ping plz 03:35, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Alexis Jazz: Well, if I stumble upon that, I'll let you know too. ----DanTD (talk) 05:16, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DanTD: I do very much appreciate you actually coming back for this! I should have said that. Most people forget such things or think "oh, bother". But it seems we were thinking of different pictures. I don't rule out it may have been the same kid and costume but just another photo, but my memory of it is too fuzzy to say for sure. (I already checked the photostream around the kid, but nothing seems to be there) And there is always the option that I simply don't remember it correctly. Thanks again for the effort. The kid in the costume (what is it anyway?) is not up for deletion. I'm not sure we should keep such photos. Let's put it this way: if there were a photo of you at that age on Commons, in that costume, and that photo would possibly be used on, for example, w:Halloween costume for the world to see. Would you be happy? I doubt I would be.. Others may not mind. But how could we possibly know if the kid would mind? - Alexis Jazz ping plz 05:32, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: I have reviewed COM:IDENT and it seems that in the US, there is no requirement to get the consent of the people that appear in a photograph to publish it. In countries where consent is necessary, the use of a candid camera is a problem, because generally if the people look at camera, you can assume they give their consent to be photographed, which is not possible with a candid camera. In the US, however, the consent is not required (even for minors), so imho, the publication of photographs taken with candid cameras is not illegal. Nevertheless, I think most of these photographs should be deleted because they are out of scope: photographs of anonymous people doing usual activities are not realistically useful for an educational purpose, just like private party photos, photos of friends, collection of holiday snaps... So I have started deleting most of the files and just keeping some that seem to be in scope in my opinion (like the photographs of the jazz performers in Washington Square). Given the amount of files, it will still take some time to review everything. I admit some images are in the grey area... For those, one can still start a more specific DR (or UDR) if one thinks it is necessary. --BrightRaven (talk) 11:45, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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