Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Arena Lviv

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Files in Category:Arena Lviv 1

No general FOP in the Ukraine only a fair use provision for news reporting; commons cant host under fair use.

LGA _talk^edits 21:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep File:Завжди вірні.jpg as this image is illustrating fans of FC Karpaty Lviv and does not display any architectural features — NickK (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look again it clearly does, and a crop wont work. LGA _talk^edits 22:06, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly do you find an architectural feature here? You may probably find the roof architecturally interesting, but nothing else is visible — NickK (talk) 22:19, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The four last images (File:Новий стадіон у Львові (жовтень 2010).jpg, File:Новий стадіон у Львові (жовтень 2011) 1.jpg, File:Новий стадіон у Львові (жовтень 2011) 2.jpg, File:Новий стадіон у Львові (жовтень 2011).jpg) depict construction process, I guess those may be kept similarly to other images of construction works in countries without FOP — e.g. Category:Construction of Burj Khalifa — NickK (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Ukraine Law on Copyright defines "work of architecture" as "a work of construction and landscape design art (drawings, sketches, models, erected buildings and facilities, parks, residential area layouts, etc.)" "work of construction" is therefore covered. LGA _talk^edits 22:06, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You misinterpret it. Ukrainian original provides work of ((construction and landscape design) art) (твір у галузі мистецтва спорудження будівель і ландшафтних утворень) and not work of (construction) and (landscape design art) (it would have been твір у галузі спорудження будівель і мистецтва ландшафтних утворень in Ukrainian) — NickK (talk) 22:19, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not me, the WIPO an UN agency who can be considered reliable. LGA _talk^edits 22:35, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase work of construction and landscape design art can have two interpretations; the one is work of ((construction and landscape design) art), another is work of (construction) and (landscape design art). Ukrainian original (which is the only one having legal power in Ukraine) clearly confirms that the first one is the correct one, as Ukrainian original (твір у галузі мистецтва спорудження будівель і ландшафтних утворень) can be interpreted in only one way — NickK (talk) 22:39, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to debate interpretations, the WIPO is a reliable source, if they have it wrong contact them and ask them to change it, until such time COM:PRP has to apply here. LGA _talk^edits 22:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WIPO is correct, but their formulation is ambigous. If we refer to Ukrainian original we can clearly identify that the right interpretation is work of ((construction and landscape design) art). No Commons rule states that understanding of WIPO translation into English by the user LGA has higher legal power than Ukrainian original adopted by the parliament — NickK (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep who stop this Delete-troll? --109.45.114.168 22:15, 14 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: Deleted all but one -- I think we can say that the roof is DM with the focus of the image being on the card display. Since part of the building is complete in each of the last four, the debate about under construction is moot -- the image violate the copyiight on the finished part. . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Arena Lviv 2

Copyrighted architectural work in a country that does not recognize freedom of panorama for free uses of images of public artworks. This architectural artwork was designed by Austrian architectural company Albert Wimmer in cooperation with Arnika, a local company. Images of interiors are also included, that show substantial interior architecture as opposed to the field, whether there is a game ongoing or not (precedence: French FOP case Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Stade de France#Files in Category:Stade de France 3). Needs COM:VRTS email of license permission from Albert Wimmer architectural firm.

JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since the architecture was completed in 2011 as per enwiki, and Ukraine has 70 years copyright term, then 2011+70=2081+1 (to complete the calendar)= January 1, 2082. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:36, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep at least File:Arena Lviv opening.jpg, File:Львів - Карпати (УПЛ, 22.09.2018) Арена Львів.jpg, File:Рух — Львів (УПЛ, 03.10.2020).jpg and File:Стадион "Арена "Львов".JPG. These photo depict current events (stadium opening and football matches, Ukraine-Luxembourg for the last one). These cases are covered by Ukrainian copyright law (very broad) exemption for current events, see Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2013/12#Ukrainian_copyright_law_current_events_provision for details on this provision. This situation is different from the one in France where such provision does not exist — NickK (talk) 20:14, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@NickK: the discussion came to a different conclusion. Rather the "reporting of current events" clause in Ukrainian law is for the use of the image, not what the image truly depicts. Still unacceptable, as it is equivalent to COM:Fair use; images must be free to be reused commercially without restraints from architects (in this case Albert Wimmer architectural company from Austria). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 00:42, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You clarify that we are talking about a company from Austria. We are in a situation where these images are legal in Ukraine (per current events provision), in Austria (where the architests are coming from as there is freedom of panorama in Austria), as well as in the US where our servers are (as US fredom of panorama would apply to these objects). For instance, File:Arena Lviv opening.jpg is clearly an illustration of a current event: one can see a show taking place in a stadium, but other than seeing that it is a stadium with a roof, it simply cannot be used as an illustration of an architectural object — NickK (talk) 23:27, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@NickK: I am talking about the "current events provision." The consensus is clear that it refers to the use of the image, not "the subject of the image." JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep File:Arena Lviv opening.jpg as it a photo of event, architecture only incidental. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 00:26, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all except File:Arena Lviv opening.jpg where the inclusion of the architecture is de minimis. I agree with JWilz12345 above that the "current events" rule allows the use of copyrighted content in certain circumstances (it does not refer to the content of the photo), but to be allowed on Commons we need licensing which allows all commercial and noncommercial uses (aside from non-copyright restrictions), not just certain circumstances. -M.nelson (talk) 10:22, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: all but one, per nomination, no freedom of panorama in Ukraine. As for restoring them in 2082 – no, I don't think so. Per Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Ukraine, Ukrainian copyright terms are tied to the person of the author, except for anonymous/pseudonymous works. This work of architecture is not anonymous, its author (= architect) is known, because per [1], “Architekt Dipl. Ing. Albert Wimmer Dipl. TP” (the founder of the Albert Wimmer architecture bureau) conceived the stadium, plus there was a team of architects. Per [2] and [3], Albert Wimmer was born in 1947 and is still alive, so the files can only be restored 70 years pma (after his death). At the earliest, because perhaps some others in the team of architects I mentioned might also be responsible for the looks of the stadium (someone who made statics calculations is probably less relevant). --Rosenzweig τ 14:45, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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