Commons:Deletion requests/Kirchner

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Kirchner

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Those files are licensed with {{CC-AR-Presidency}}, and pages from the webpage of Casa Rosada are freely licensed. However, it is not clear that they are actually from that site. The first group of images only links to the homepage as the source and not the specific photo within it, and the second group does not link anything at all (see here the way it should be linked). I tried to seek the original photos myself, to no avail. Cambalachero (talk) 18:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the files do not have a URL of the specific source in the presidencia.gov.ar website. Nevertheless, there are, on one hand, indications that the files were uploaded by users familiar with the files admissible in Commons in terms of licenses or permissions. Trustable users that back then (almost all or all this files were uploaded between 17 to 19 years ago) couldn't think of the necessity of a URL to the specific source for future checks by other users. And on the other hand, there are reliable indications that the images were downloaded from that site.

As an example, I take File:Néstor Kirchner y José Luis Gioja-San Juan-25 de marzo de 2004.jpg. Uploaded by Barcex to Commons on October 2005. Per its talk page, Barcex was made an admin in June 2006 and was called a "experienced Spanish admin" by a user in November 2006. Because of that, it seems like a trustable user familiar with what can be uploaded to Commons. And according to the information in the Commons file and the description in the old presidencia.gov.ar site accesible through the Wayback Machine, it can be infered that the photograph were very likely downloaded from https://web.archive.org/web/20040405061520/http://www.presidencia.gov.ar/prensaoficial/index_masimg.html?id=439.

Another example. File:Kirchner-UN General Assembly (2007).jpg, uploaded by Jurock to Commons on September 2007. Very likely it was downloaded from https://web.archive.org/web/20070927004305/http://www.presidencia.gov.ar/fotografias.aspx in the section "25 de Septiembre".

It would take me longer to examine all the photographs put under this deletion request, but from these examples I cited and a couple more that I was able to verify, it seems prudent to

Keep the photographs. ―Frodar (talk) 09:37, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, good faith is not enough. A file uploaded without enough information for its copyright status to be verified independently is not good enough for Commons, and should be deleted unless it can be fixed. See Commons:Assume good faith#Good faith and copyright. There's nothing personal about those users, in fact I uploaded myself some of those faulty uploads. Yes, I also made some mistakes many years ago, I'm trying to cleanup most of my older uploads, and I have no problem to ask for the deletion of the ones that were not free after all or that I uploaded without enough info. Cambalachero (talk) 16:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was indeed admin on commons and eswiki for more than 10 years. I uploaded that picture because at that time all pictures published on presidencia.gov.ar had that license license, there are many users still alive that can attest to it. Many presidential administrations have passed and those pictures may not be on that source anymore. They were vetted at that time, and you can see that we followed the procedures accepted by commons at that time. I find silly to try to apply new standards to those old uploads 19 years after. Eventually you could end up deleting the whole contents of commons. Anyway, I have a saying from years ago: eventually someone will find a silly reason to delete all pictures on Commons.

Keep Barcex (talk) 18:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: no valid reason for deletion, per remarks. If some images have been uploaded recently, this can be considered again, but a simple admin like myself cannot check the whole list. Some I checked were old indeed. --Ellywa (talk) 16:17, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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