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= December 10 =

== Category naming - street names ==

Is there a standard approach for categories for streets which have common names, e.g. High Street? I had always thought it was "High Street, [Place]", but I see the approach "[Place] High Street" [[:Category:Thornton Heath High Street|is being used]]. The slight problem with the latter is that where the category forms part of another category of the type "Streets by name", it will (by default) be listed under the place name rather than the street name. [[User:Lamberhurst|Lamberhurst]] ([[User talk:Lamberhurst|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:04, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
* "[Place] High Street" may be the official name, e.g. "Kensington High Street" in London. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 15:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

*There's not one single standard approach, but at least two of them. In some countries it's {{code|Streetname (City)}}, in others it's {{code|Streetname, City}}. Sometimes you'll find both and in very rare cases there's another scheme in place (see Poland below). Here's a quick, non-representative sample:
**[[:Category:Gare streets in France|Rue de la Gare (City)]] in France
**[[:Category:Bahnhof streets in Germany|Bahnhofstraße (City)]] in Germany
**[[:Category:Streets named after saints in Portugal|Rua de São Bob (City)]] in Portugal
**[[:Category:Nádražní streets in the Czech Republic|Nádražní (City)]] in the Czech Republic
**[[:Category:Streets named after saints in the United States|St. Bob's Street, City or St. Bob's Street (City)]] in the US
**[[:Category:Streets named after saints in Belgium|Rue Saint-Bob, City or Rue Saint-Bob (City)]] in Belgium
**[[:Category:Streets named after saints in Canada|Rue Saint-Bob, City]] in Canada
**[[:Category:Streets named after saints in Sweden|Sankt Bobsgatan, City]] in Sweden
**[[:Category:Streets named after saints in Hungary|Szent Bob utka, City]] in Hungary
**[[:Category:Station streets in the United Kingdom|Station street, City]] in the UK
**[[:Category:Dworcowa streets in Poland|Dworcowa street in City]] in Poland (this is an outlier …)
:{{code|City Streetname}} is unusual and should probably be discouraged. --[[User:El Grafo|El Grafo]] ([[User talk:El Grafo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:03, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
**But yeah, in the case of [[:Category:Thornton Heath High Street|Thornton Heath High Street]], that might actually be the official name … --[[User:El Grafo|El Grafo]] ([[User talk:El Grafo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:08, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

*Both are pretty much interchangeable in British culture "Kensington High Street" is what the street signs use but the tube is called "High Street Kensington" in the case of London there is [[:Category:High streets in London]] for people looking in [[:Category:Streets in London beginning with H]], I listed them under their place name also so people can easily find them using the other common name, this led to some confusion [[https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3ASidcup_High_Street&type=revision&diff=342999150&oldid=191524161 ]] which is why I prefer them to be listed under the place name rather than the street name [[User:Oxyman|Oxyman]] ([[User talk:Oxyman|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:37, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
** OK, then St. John's Wood High Street, which as far as I know is never flipped around the other way. Didn't think of the tube station being different. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 21:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
*** "High Street, Place" is archaic usage that got frozen in a few places, like the name of the Tube station, and as far as I can tell persists in smaller contexts around the country, like towns or villages. The places listed in [[:Category:High streets in London]] are an example of where it evolved into "Place High Street". — [[User:Scott|'''<span style="background:transparent;{{#invoke:String|replace|color:{{#switch:#000|b=#000|w=#FFF|=red|#000}};|[
]||plain=false}}" title="transparent">Scott</span>''']] <span style="background:transparent;{{#invoke:String|replace|color:{{#switch:#900|b=#000|w=#FFF|=red|#900}};|[
]||plain=false}}" title="transparent">•</span> [[User talk:Scott|''<span style="background:transparent;{{#invoke:String|replace|color:{{#switch:#000|b=#000|w=#FFF|=red|#000}};|[
]||plain=false}}" title="transparent">talk</span>'']] 15:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
* {{comment}} While I don't know if it's "policy", I think good practice is to use whatever the official local name is - where that is potentially confusing or there is some common variant, a redirect from that can be useful. -- [[User:Infrogmation|Infrogmation of New Orleans]] ([[User talk:Infrogmation|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:08, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

== File:UP Activists during Martial Law.png ==

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UP_Activists_during_Martial_Law.png

The are no more student activists in the Diliman campus who openly challenged the authorities during Martial Law, not even the UP Police Force. I suggest the owner of the photograph change the caption, like, UP Activists Before Martial Law.
{{unsigned|203.215.118.87|17:15, 19 March 2019‎}}

= March 20 =

== Searching captions for vandalism ==

On my watchlist last week was where someone had added the caption "Bollocks" to a photograph of a politician. I can not remember which one it was. Unfortunately as captions are, apparently, not examined by the "insource:" option in the normal project search I cannot find it again.

So, how am I supposed to search captions for vandalism, without having to write complex query scripts for the wiki database? Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

:Query service should be coming soon... as (one hopes) should vandal filtering. Ping {{ping|Keegan (WMF)}} ? [[User:Jheald|Jheald]] ([[User talk:Jheald|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Caption search using <code>inlabel</code> is ready, it will be available when [[phab:T215967#4989140|WikibaseCirrusSearch is fully deployed]] (which should be anytime now). Abuse filters already work with captions. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
:: So, we are into what, the second month of a successful captions rollout, where they now exist in two different copyright states, and nobody can search for vandalism. No lessons learned, and green status lights for the WMF.
:: Smart. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:28, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

: And, it's a week later and no progress. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:40, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:: Searching captions is now live. You do not have to put in any special label. For example, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=penguins+at+boulders+beach&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1 This search finds a caption] I put on [[:File:Tracks_(43677152441).jpg]]. Apologies for the delay, there were a lot of dependencies to get this working without complex queries. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== The upload script no longer takes the date given as the original photograph date ==

{{phab|T219357}}
[[File:Kunstwerk metrostation Bizet 1992.jpg|thumb]]I scan a lot of old slides. As far as I am able I fill in a date 'taken on'. I cannot always be precise but it is more usefull than the scan date. Before the upload script used the photograph date and I changed the date to the (in)precision needed. The file manager on my PC alway insist on a complete date, but most times I only use the month and year the slide was developed. (sometimes only the year is certain and on some slides there is no indication at all)

Why was this changed?[[User:Smiley.toerist|Smiley.toerist]] ([[User talk:Smiley.toerist|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

PS: i added a artwork catalog URL to [[:Category:Art in MIVB station]][[User:Smiley.toerist|Smiley.toerist]] ([[User talk:Smiley.toerist|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:47, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
* What "upload script" are you talking about? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 16:50, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
:: I think he/she is talking about the [[Special:UploadWizard|UploadWizard]]. The wizard has changed so that the prepopulated datefield uses the date and time when the file was modified instead of the date and time the photograph was taken on. --[[User:Estormiz|Estormiz]] ([[User talk:Estormiz|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Smiley.toerist|Jmabel|Estormiz}} That is a bad change. We rely on the "date" field to contain the date and time the photograph was taken. Is there a phabricator ticket for undoing that change? &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 16:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
:::: I agree it's a bad change, but I pretty much never go near the Upload Wizard, so I'm not the one to follow this up. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 16:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
:::: * [[File:Ensiapu 715 tunnusosa.svg|15px]] Somebody please revert the [[Special:UploadWizard|UploadWizard]] script to the previous version. <u>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Taisen%27in_hondo,_Hachinohe.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=344015308 The current one forces an extra edit like this]</u>. I think it is devastating enough to make the whole community to crush. --[[User:トトト|トトト]] ([[User talk:トトト|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 03:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I filed [[phab:T219357]] (in general, if bugs are not reported on Phabricator, they won’t get onto the radar of developers).
:::* Is it confirmed this everyone here is talking about the [[Commons:UploadWizard|UploadWizard]]? (please let’s not talk about « the upload script », that’s like the less descriptive naming possible :-) ).
:::*Since when is the problem happening?
:::* {{re|Smiley.toerist}} Can you clarify what you mean by « used the photograph date » − is that an EXIF field or smth else?
:::[[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
::::[[File:Harmful.gif|18px]] It's been happening since ca [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Maruyama_Kofun_(Yasu),_genshitsu.jpg&diff=344167799&oldid=343438062 March 22], I think? And no fix has been visible yet. <u>[https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Isewangan_Expwy20190331E.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=344435732 An edit like this is still necessary]</u>. If somebody uploads a file via [[Commons:UploadWizard|UploadWizard]], it consumes another user's 5 - 10 minutes for correcting its date field. If the problem persists forever, it means the end of the commuity. --[[User:トトト|トトト]] ([[User talk:トトト|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:59, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
This makes me frequently "copy date" from the original to copy and remove the original from UploadWizard, and I don't know the purpose of this change either. --[[User:N509FZ|N509FZ]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:N509FZ|Talk]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/N509FZ|前置，有座！Front engine with seats!]]</small> 01:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:another reason to stop using upload wizard, use Pattypan instead. <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 02:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Reading T219357, this could be a fantasy problem as nothing has been identified that would introduce the bug. It might help if someone added some screen shots and could reliably reproduce the claimed functionality. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

This was already tracked at [[phab:T219331]], and a fix has already been merged. [[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Bug confirmed. This picture was taken on 2019-03-01 and uploaded with the upload wizard. 2019-03-11 was the date of modification. -- [[User:Herbert Ortner|Herby (Vienna)]] ([[User talk:Herbert Ortner|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
[[File:ÖBB 2016-016 siebenbrunn-leopoldsdorf 2019-03-01.jpg|thumb]]
:{{ping|Smiley.toerist}} The fix for this should go out April 3rd. [[User:Kaldari|Kaldari]] ([[User talk:Kaldari|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:04, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

== Bot removes qid= from categories ==

I have noticed that a bot removes the qid number from the template wikidata_infobox from Wiki Commons, I am assuming because it is redundant once the category is filled in at Wikidata. Wouldn't it be better to keep the q number here at Wiki Commons in case the link gets broken for any number of reasons, like a manual name change of the category or a reorganization of the categories? It can be very difficult to re-disambiguate say a dozen John Smiths if there was a major renaming. See [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Edward_Edgar_Robinson&type=revision&diff=343312752&oldid=341280395&diffmode=source See here for an example of the bot removing the q number from the Wiki Commons side] [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:10, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
:I'm utterly opposed to any data ever being removed from anywhere because, supposedly, "wikidata now has it". That way lies absolute disaster. Say it ain't so... --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> [[User talk:Begoon|Begoon]]</span> 16:17, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
:: In not so distant past some people said same thing about Commons. --[[User:EugeneZelenko|EugeneZelenko]] ([[User talk:EugeneZelenko|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:15, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Does a QID number actually mean anything to anyone, anywhere other than WD?—[[User:Odysseus1479|Odysseus1479]] ([[User talk:Odysseus1479|talk]]) 21:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Does a Wikimedia Commons file name actually mean anything to anyone, anywhere other than WC? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::::: {{ping|Pigsonthewing}} Yes, absolutely, and it it's not then it's a poorly chosen filename. Just to not bias the matter too much, I used the random file feature.
:::::* [[:File:Kazan 2015 - Water polo - Men - Bronze medal match - 012.JPG]] - the only thing less that clear about that is if someone didn't know what major tournament was held in Kazan in 2015, and they'd still have a pretty fair idea what would be in the image.
:::::* [[:File:Tsianina (American Indian) LCCN2014710537.jpg]] - a portrait; LCCN indicates that it comes from the Library of Congress. Not a great name, but certainly not without information.
:::::* [[:File:Altdobritz 2 Dresden Seitengebäude.JPG]] - a building in Dresden, and its address. Name certainly more meaningful to someone who knows Dresden, but likely to make it show up just where it should in an external search engine.
:::::* [[:File:Asambleísta Luis Fernando Torres en su intervención en la sesión N.- 244 del Pleno de la Asamblea Nacional (9351611357).jpg]] - reasonably clear about who & where & in what context; the only possible improvements I can thing of would be if it said "de Ecuador" and possibly if it indicated the year (2013), since few will know what session of the National Assembly was what year (I couldn't offhand give the number of the current Congress of the U.S., where I live, and I follow politics pretty closely).
:::::* [[:File:Die Gartenlaube (1897) 745.jpg]] - page from a book, clear from what book but not more. That seems to be par for the course for pages from a book.
::::: So while none of these names are ideal, yes, they do mean at least a moderate amount to a normal lay user. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 15:24, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
: {{ping|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )}} I'm the bot operator ({{u|Pi bot}}). It removes the manually-defined QID as part of tidying up the calls to {{tl|Wikidata Infobox}}, providing it's the same as the one that the sitelink is to. The information is still in the article history if needed, but it's unnecessary for the operation of the infobox in those cases (and possibly increases the server load when the manual ID is present). Keeping it will only increase future manual cleanup here if, e.g., multiple Wikidata items are merged, incorrect sitelinks are moved to the right Wikidata item, etc. The remaining categories in [[:Category:Uses of Wikidata Infobox with manual qid]] then need some manual cleanup to properly sitelink them from Wikidata. Cases of manual moves/renaming of categories should have their sitelinks sorted out sooner rather than later (and the bot helps with these if a {{tl|Category redirect}} is left behind), as e.g., links from Wikipedias also rely on these. Thanks. [[User:Mike Peel|Mike Peel]] ([[User talk:Mike Peel|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:55, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 24 =

== Are there rules about EXIF copyright data? ==

Hi all

Can someone tell me if there are any written instructions/rules about people sharing content on Commons with photo EXIF data that states a different license to the license they are releasing them under? Specifically does EXIF data which has 'all rights reserved' override the license they upload the image under?

Here is an example of a set of photos that are being nominated for deletion because the EXIF data is different to the license they have uploaded them under:

* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:EvokeArt#File:Bear_of_Peace.jpg

Thanks

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:54, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
* There is no rule as such, but it is one of the things that would call into question whether a release is genuine. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 21:40, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
* Also, the name under which all rights are supposedly reserved (Stacey Hill) does not match the author listed for the license (EvokeArtPhotography). I think starting with a deletion request was perhaps a bit clumsy, but if I'd encountered this I would certainly have contacted the user & asked them to clear this up, probably with OTRS or with permission stated on an external page clearly under the control of Stacey Hill. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 21:46, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
:*who need rules, when all you need is doubt? why contact uploader, when you can leave a warning template? way to piss off yet another generation of photographers, who will now curse commons to everyone in earshot. <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 01:51, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:As far as I know, "All rights reserved" is not an irrevocable license, as opposed to, say, [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode CC-BY-4.0], which ''is'' irrevocable. If the legal copyright holder has voluntarily changed the license, previous details in the EXIF should be moot. EXIF often has incorrect/obsolete data (e.g. incorrect/misleading dates, misspelled or misidentified personal names) that persist with subsequent file changes. [[Commons:OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS?|Commons:OTRS#When do I contact OTRS?]] suggests contacting OTRS isn't needed unless previously published ''without'' a free license on a medium one ''can't'' alter: changing licenses online or during upload is certainly a medium one ''can'' alter (although having OTRS confirmation wouldn't hurt even if unnecessary, to assuage the stickiest of sticklers). And lastly, we should never, ever, expect that a person's real name, or the name they use in their EXIF metadata, must match their arbitrary username. Not every photographer on Flickr uses their real name, even Pro accounts. My real name sure as hell isn't Animalparty. Unless there is significant, credible evidence to the contrary, I think benefit of the doubt should go to the uploader. [[User:Animalparty|--Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:14, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::I am pretty sure Stacey Hill and EvokeArt are the same person: https://www.evokeartisanphotography.co.nz/about-me/about. --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:51, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::: That seems pretty clear. As I said, I think it was reasonable for someone to raise a question, but starting with a deletion request was a bit clumsy. Presumably we will end up with a "keep". - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 06:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Agree that a DR is not ideal (but it will often be the community mechanism we rely on for such cases). However, I think that [[Special:Diff/343633128|starting by slapping]] a {{tl|copyvio}} on these files was definitely not appropriate. [[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::It's [[User:B dash]] who needs some advice in that regard. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:54, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your responses {{ping|Jmabel}}, {{ping|Slowking4}}, {{ping|Animalparty}}, {{ping|HyperGaruda}}, I think that making it explicit in the instructions that having 'all rights reserved' in the EXIF data will stop this happening as much (or at least provide something to point to when it does happen again). Where could this information be added and what exactly should it say? [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

{{Od}}
Can someone merge all the related DRs, please? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

== Working with low resource organisations that publish only on Facebook and also publish under an open license ==

Hi all

I’ve been thinking about ‘free access to the sum of all human knowledge’ in relation to working with lower resource organisations. Some governments and other organisations with fewer resources who don’t have their own media repositories on their websites and publish only on social media e.g Facebook to share their content. I want to understand what burden of proof is required to show an open license when sharing photos from social media on Commons from a source that is under a Wikimedia compatible license? And where are the instructions for this?

To give an example, the government of East Timor is publishing images on Facebook only, which is causing confusion around copyright on Commons (some people think that this gives Facebook copyright on the images), see
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests?fbclid=IwAR08GZoqM0YyxZTEVH_c-clogG4yNI-I7kOLIPrskl2sjjbyhFzGSXGkVp8#File:Antóninho_Baptista_Alves_2018-11-20.jpg

People are not replying to OTRS requests and it does not seem like they ever will, my assumption is they don’t understand the message, why it is relevant, their understanding of copyright, or a language issue.

So to ask a question about this specific example: does publishing on Facebook add any special requirements or hurdles? (there is some confusion). If so where is this written? If not can this be written somewhere please so there isn’t any confusion.

Thanks
[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:10, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

:The problem is strange. We are discussing about there could be a copyright violation, although the photograph made the photos by order of the government and the government is publishing it. Both are not even care about US law, because their intention is to spread their images. This fundamental will of the publisher is omited here, because of obscure problems. The deleter is acting like the automatic upload filters, we (Wikimedia and German WP community) are fighting against in Europe in the moment, caused by the new copyright law of European union. Deleting without hard facts and need. I left several times notices atF B, that I am uploading the images at Commons. There was never a reaction. Shouldn't we act here in dubio pro reo? If there are any "dubio" anyhow, what I am denying. Greetings, --[[User:J. Patrick Fischer|JPF]] ([[User talk:J. Patrick Fischer|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
::+1 the community has a wilful disregard that their copyright purity may appear to benefit the copyright fee collection agencies. <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 21:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
::Publishing on Facebook does not waive ones own rights. It does grant virtually unlimited reuse rights to Facebook, and it doesn't constitute a free license for anyone else. Specifically: none of the rights granted to FB are exclusive, so it doesn't ''interfere'' with also granting other licenses.
:: What is the evidence in this case that the image is either free-licensed or in the public domain? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 21:49, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
::: {{ping|Jmabel}}, the image is produced and published by the government of East Timor, which has a public domain license for its work. [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:23, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

:{{re|John Cummings}} How do you know that "the government of East Timor is publishing images on Facebook only"? &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 14:37, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

To go back to the original question, is the copyright effects of publishing on Facebook written anywhere in Commons instructions? If so where. Thanks, [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:23, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|John Cummings}} My advice is: [https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms Facebook's Terms of Use] are incompatible with lifting from Facebook and publishing here without owning the copyright (or without confirming beforehand that you own the copyright) because [[COM:FU|we don't allow Fair Use here]]. Please have the copyright holder edit or comment on their post with [[COM:L]] compliant permission and post here the link to that permission, or send permission via [[OTRS]] with a carbon copy to you and edit/post with the ticket number. If you want to use the file on English Wikipedia, please read {{w|WP:F}}. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 15:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

::Hi {{ping|Jeff G.}}, an OTRS ticket or changing the Facebook page is not realistic in these cases (they don't reply to messages). Where on Commons can we make clear that publishing on Facebook does not effect the owners copyright, only that Facebook is given usage rights? [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

::{{ping|John Cummings}} I'm still a bit confused here: what would lead someone to think that publishing on Facebook affects your copyright, any more than publishing anywhere else? Publishing on Facebook grants Facebook a license; it doesn't grant or revoke any other license. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 15:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Jmabel}} I think the confusion in [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests?fbclid=IwAR08GZoqM0YyxZTEVH_c-clogG4yNI-I7kOLIPrskl2sjjbyhFzGSXGkVp8#File:Antóninho_Baptista_Alves_2018-11-20.jpg this deletion discussion] comes from lack of documentation on copyright in relation to publishing on Facebook. Where on Commons could we write this documentation to help people learn about copyright? [[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|John Cummings}} It's just that I can't think what we'd say there. There is nothing special about Facebook here. Publishing a public domain image ''anywhere'' does not change the fact that it's public domain. I can't see us listing dozens of common places someone might post and indicating that for each of them, publishing there does not remove a work from the public domain, and I can't see a reason to single out Facebook in this respect.
::::The more appropriate question, it seems to me, is what (if anything) on Commons gave someone the impression that either public domain status or a copyright-holder's right to grant a non-exclusive license are in any way diminished by publishing on Facebook. If there is such a statement, then it probably needs to be reworded. You might do well to canvas the people who thought this should be deleted (including the deleting admin) and ask what gave them that impression, so we can reword that. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 19:33, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Facebook is a special case in that it is an extraordinary large company. My market cap I think it is about the size of the next 5 media companies put together, even though typical people imagine that small things like newspapers, TV studios, and movies are bigger. A significant amount of all publishing is through Facebook. I agree with Jmabel that in general we do not need to make special explanatory notes about media companies, but Facebook serves the role which in past generations is more comparable to a government entity than the old concept of a publisher. I think that it would be fine to establish a Commons page on Facebook rules, because this is of special interest to many people and the issues arise with enough frequency to justify particular clarification.
:::::In the case of East Timor, if the government license is public domain by default, then I think that is compatible with Wikimedia Commons upload with their government public domain dedication. Posting to Facebook does not disrupt the original copyright status. If anyone disagrees then maybe this could be centrally discussed on a Commons:Facebook page, [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 20:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::perhaps we need "special explanatory notes", since we have a cadre of people who "delete because facebook". there is a lot of disparaging the distribution channel, not much standard of practice of examining the original status. on the other hand, no amount of warning template speed bumps will slow the deletionist mindset.<font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 14:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::::The file in question in the beginning of this discussion was undeleted, FYI. Since East Timor government is public domain by default, Commons should be careful about not deleting pictures from them just because they use Facebook to disseminate rather than a dedicated web domain or even Flickr. [[User:Abzeronow|Abzeronow]] ([[User talk:Abzeronow|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::::yeah, we should not have to rely on persistent experts to overcome the deletionist thumb on the scale. but is there any prospect of more care? any negative feedback to editors that get their deletions undeleted? <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 23:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
{{ping|Slowking4}}, {{ping|Bluerasberry}}, {{ping|Abzeronow}}, thanks very much for your replies, really helpful to put the size of Facebook in context. Can I suggest adding an additional section to [[Commons:Copyright rules]] rather than starting a new page to help keep things in easy to find places (if the guidance gets too long we could seperate pages for '''see more''' or whatever). I'm not sure what the section should be called but I think it should include common mistakes made on Commons, here are two draft paragraphs.

'''Publishing on social media platforms'''

Publishing on social media platforms (eg Facebook, Instagram, Twitter) does not change the owner of the copyright, these platforms only require usage rights to the content and do not hold copyright of the content.

'''EXIF data'''

EXIF data which states 'all rights reserved' does not stop the content from being hosted on Commons. The EXIF data is often unknown to the user before uploading the files by Commons. The act of uploading the content to Commons changes the copyright of the image meaning the EXIF data is out of date.

Thanks again

[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 25 =
== Translate "images from ..." ==

I really don't know what to do with this, so I'm bringing it here. As a reference, this has been on [[Talk:Main_Page#Translate_"images_from_..."|Talk:Main Page]] for [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&oldid=343618557#Translate_%22images_from_...%22 a while] now. If you look at the the different language landing pages, found here {{tl|lang-mp}}, you'll see that the line [[March 25|Images from March 25]] was never translated and added to the various templates. It was pointed out that each of the templates is separatley maintained and that changes would have to be made to each of the templates. Since each page is maintained separately, I went to each of the pages and posted a request to translate the text and add it to the page. A couple of days ago, {{ping|Majora}} reverted most of the requests. Each of the templates is its own document. So, if this was not the way it is supposed to be done. How is it supposed to be done. I have gone and reinstated my requests. Thank you. [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:Did you not think that putting all those requests back and reflooding [[:Category:Commons protected edit requests]] perhaps would have been a bad idea? You doing so is incredibly disruptive and an absolute waste of administrative time. Main pages are done via templates. Specifically {{tl|Main Page Template}}. A lot of the main page translations aren't even protected and require no administrative input. So all you are doing is adding requests to categories that do not need to be there. Stop adding to our backlogs. --[[User:Majora|Majora]] ([[User talk:Majora|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::Reflooding? Is that an official term? First of all, adding files to a maintenance category is not disruptive. The worst thing that will happen is that they will sit there. I have examined the Main Pages, and while there are templates, this corner of the page tends to not have a template and is instead translated for each language. A solution would be great. Is there a better template to use? [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
:And I just undid all your readditions except for one. They were all on pages there were not protected to begin with and/or used templates that have nothing to do with the individual pages. You are advised not to add them back. Adding {{tl|edit protected}} repeatedly to pages that are not protected is considered disruptive. --[[User:Majora|Majora]] ([[User talk:Majora|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:33, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::Please stop edit warring. Perhaps instead of spending the time [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Majora&namespace=1&tagfilter=&start=2019-03-25&end=2019-03-25 reverting the edits] on scores of pages, you could have found a solution to the issue? I see you have now threatened me. Could you please provide the exact policy you claim I am violating? [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
:::If you really need a link to a page that tells you that disruptive editing is not allowed we have deeper issues. Continuing to add pages that are not protected to the ''protected'' edit request queue is disruptive. It unnecessarily creates work for admins and obscures requests that actually need our attention. If you want translations to pages since you don't speak a language you can use [[Commons:Translators' noticeboard]]. That took me five seconds to look up. If you continue to add pages to the protected edit request queue that do not need to be there I will block you for disruptive editing. That isn't a threat. That is a statement of fact. --[[User:Majora|Majora]] ([[User talk:Majora|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
::::So, you have no real policy to cite? Okay then, then please don't threaten me. Now, please go back and reinstate my second round of comments which you reverted. <br><br>For the record I thought that by using the {{tl|edit request}} template I would draw the attention of one of the [[Commons:Translation administrators]]. Instead of [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Majora&diff=prev&oldid=343998941 edit warring], summarily reverting scores of my edits, and threatening me I would appreciate it if you would contribute constructively to devising a solution to what should be a simple request. [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Evrik}} I don't question your good faith, but now you've been told, so going forward please try not to use this template that asks for admin attention when you want edits to things that aren't protected. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 23:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Jmabel}} - Told is one thing. Policy is another. I was acting within the given policies. There is no [[Template:Cleanup translation]] like there is on [[w:Template:Cleanup translation|wikipedia]]. [[:Category:Translation]], does not apply. Rather than starting an edit war, Majora should have suggested I move the request to, [[Commons:Translators' noticeboard]]. Instead of reaching out, Majora started making disparaging comments and issuing threats. Majora also removed my comments on a number of pages by simply reverting me. I've acted above board on all of this: soliciting assistance, posting request for help; etc. So, unless one can actually cite a policy, or act in a productive manner, then perhaps they shouldn't be uncivil. [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:12, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

== HR from Library of Congress ==

Hi, I notice that some images (like [[:File:Margarett Sargent, 1915.jpg]] and [[:File:Anna Pavlova, 1915.jpg]]) are [http://loc.gov/pictures/resource/agc.7a14504/ available in high resolution at the Library of Congress], but not online. Could someone go there get these images? Regards, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:33, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

== Picture of the Year 2018: The results are in! ==

{{{{TNTN|Commons:Picture of the Year/2018/Results/R2/msg}}|3=noheader}}
* Forced bodytext typeface, no signature — splendid. No spam, though? -- [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuválkin]] [[User talk:Tuvalkin|✉]] [[Special:Contributions/Tuvalkin|✇]] 23:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

== "Walking man" symbols ==

Here's a wonderful Twitter thread on "walking man" symbols (the gendered term is common usage), painted on roads and cycleways to warn of crossing pedestrians: [https://twitter.com/_LaraBand/status/1110270386070044672]. Do we have any such images, and if so in what category? I thought it would be a sub-category of [[:Category:Stick figures]], but there are none there. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 22:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:Maybe this one? [[:Category:Pedestrian crossing indication signs]] - [[User:Jcb|Jcb]] ([[User talk:Jcb|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
:They're all probably in [[:Category:Human body symbols]] somewhere... [[User:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[User talk:AntiCompositeNumber|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
::It should be under all of [[:Category:Road markings]], [[:Category:Pedestrian crossing indication signs]], and [[:Category:Pedestrian path signs]]. The latter has a few examples. — [[User:Scott|'''<span style="background:transparent;{{#invoke:String|replace|color:{{#switch:#000|b=#000|w=#FFF|=red|#000}};|[
]||plain=false}}" title="transparent">Scott</span>''']] <span style="background:transparent;{{#invoke:String|replace|color:{{#switch:#900|b=#000|w=#FFF|=red|#900}};|[
]||plain=false}}" title="transparent">•</span> [[User talk:Scott|''<span style="background:transparent;{{#invoke:String|replace|color:{{#switch:#000|b=#000|w=#FFF|=red|#000}};|[
]||plain=false}}" title="transparent">talk</span>'']] 16:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 26 =
== Anyone else want to help at the Library of Congress Flickr Commons project? ==

It feels like I am the only person working on categorizing the images from the Library of Congress Flickr Commons project. See here for the newest image in the queue [https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/32500072647/in/album-72157603624867509/ Dr. Rosen], I already searched for the image here at Wikimedia and created a new category and added the image to Wikidata. All the LOC images are already migrated to Wikimedia under their original title by Fae, and about half are already categorized when the image name matches an existing category at Wiki Commons, but most are only identified at Flickr Commons through careful research, and the link to Wikipedia only appears at Flickr Commons. Perhaps it can be more automated. Does anyone else want to help. I had been keeping up each week, but fell behind about 6 months ago. For some photos there is no Wikidata entry for that person and new entry can be created. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
:Hi, Honestly, images like this one are not very useful. It would be much better to get high resolution from the TIFF original copies. These are often already on Commons, but badly categorized. Regards, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
:: "All the LOC images are already migrated to Wikimedia". [[File:Dr._Rosen_LCCN2014712886.jpg|50px]]. The jpg and the tiff are already loaded to Wikimedia Commons. This is more about categorizing them under their proper Wikimedia/Wikidata names once correctly identified at Flickr Commons. Ones that are completed, I add the Wikidata link at the Flickr Commons page so that no one duplicates the effort, if they decide to help. For instance the image I show in this post is labeled "Dr. Rosen" and at Flickr it was identified as [[wikipedia:Friedrich Rosen|Friedrich Rosen]] so a category was created and a link to Wikidata was added at the new category. [[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|RAN]] ([[User talk:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

== "Depicts" statements ready for testing and release ==

After the resolution of some [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Structured_data/Development&diff=prev&oldid=341872227&diffmode=source technical blocks], the Structured Data on Commons team is ready to test and release support for statements on Commons, starting with the [[Commons:Depicts|depicts]] property '''on the file page'''. Depicts statements are meant to be some of the simplest possible descriptors for a file. For example, [[:File:Square_-_black_simple.svg]] contains what can be considered a depiction ([[d:P180|P180]]) of a geometric square ([[d:Q164|Q164]]). '''I would like to emphasize that this first release of depicts statements is very, very simple and there is much more to come to build out the feature.''' Further support for depicts statements, such as in the UploadWizard and with qualifiers, will be released within the next few weeks after the initial support goes live here.

The development team is looking to make sure of design and functionality for adding, editing, and removing statements. The current plan is to test depicts on [https://test-commons.wikimedia.org Test-Commons] for a week to find potentially breaking bugs, do a systems test on Test Commons to discover configuration discrepancies, and then release live into production here on Commons. Once we release the software, there ''will'' be bugs that show up here on production Commons that did not or do not show up in testing; the team will work to document, triage, and fix these bugs. If all goes well, depicts will be turned on ''next week, during the week of 1 April'''. I will post in advance which particular day the software will be turned on once that is determined.

'''Please help test depicts before it is released here'''. Testing information is available '''[[Commons:Structured data/Get involved/Feedback requests/Depicts testing|on this page]]''', and you can leave your feedback on '''[[Commons talk:Structured data/Get involved/Feedback requests/Depicts testing|the test talk page]]'''. '''If your testing finds no major concerns or flaws that you'd like to comment on, please let us know that as well. Even a simple “Looks good to me” is helpful feedback.''' You must be logged in to test depicts; Test-Commons is tied to [[Special:CentralAuth|CentralAuth]] so your account here should work there without any action from you.

Additionally, any thoughts or concerns about gadgets or tools that might break because of this launch are appreciated so that the issues can be sorted out to be fixed. These community-developed resources are especially vulnerable to problems when new software is released live and we'd like to make sure people are looking out for them.

Thanks, let me know if you have any questions about the testing and release process. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:40, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

: Hi {{re|Keegan (WMF)}}, could you give a link to a proposal and consensus for this change?
: Where can we find the proposal and consensus to allow additions to Wikimedia Commons that force users to release their work as CC0, rather than with attribution as has been our norm since this Wikimedia Commons was launched?
: Will the rollout out be after "depicts" are added to the search engine, so that we can better manage vandalism?
: Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
::{{re|Fæ}} thanks for asking. [[Commons:Structured_data/Overview|Here's the proposal]], check out the talk page. As such a major undertaking the proposal was put in its own space, but it was advertised in the appropriate notification spaces on Commons. As to your second point, no one is being forced to release work under CC0. Commons's traditional file page, with traditional Commons licensing, is still the primary "forced" way to contribute with all structured data fields being optional. There is no formal proposal around SDC licensing being CC0 because WMF Legal advised the development team to make it so, and the development team is following their advice. As for the last point of search, all things search [[Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Search_prototype|are being improved]] and we look forward to releasing them. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
::: A project page is not a proposal to the community.
::: "Advice from WMF Legal" - ...really...? Okay, please publish the legal advice. Then the community can have a vote on whether we think it is good advice, or... something else. Last time I checked, WMF Legal '''do not tell the community how to provide their content'''. If that has changed, then we need a WMF board resolution that puts WMF Legal fully in charge of managing our project communities and our content, and we can stop wasting our time writing policies for <s>our</s> WMF Legal's project. Thanks --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
*{{ping|Keegan (WMF)}} Will this be, like captions, one more bit of data pertaining to a file that’s not visible nor editable in its file page’s wikitext? -- [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuválkin]] [[User talk:Tuvalkin|✉]] [[Special:Contributions/Tuvalkin|✇]] 17:49, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:*{{re|Tuvalkin}} Statements live in wikibase and not in wikitext, so no they are not edited in the same way. They accessed from a tab on the file page, where you edit them with ease. They are not immediately visible when a file page loads, and are separate from file information. [https://test-commons.wikimedia.org You can try it out yourself]. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:46, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::*{{re|Keegan (WMF)}} Thanks for your swift and concise explanation. Unsurprisingly, we do no share the same definition of "with ease". As with captions, I wont touch this with a three yard pole. -- [[User:Tuvalkin|Tuválkin]] [[User talk:Tuvalkin|✉]] [[Special:Contributions/Tuvalkin|✇]] 19:13, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::** What is so difficult about implementing a serialization/deserialization approach available as an option to manipulate the relevant content in WikiText? Yes, it would require discipline and should not be rolled out to everyone, but plenty of power users (including doubtless Fæ, Tuválkin, and myself would find it tremendously easier than editing in two different places. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 19:46, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::::: As a "power user", I am never going to use this rubbish. It makes a true nightmare of doing batch uploads. Total crap compared to posting a single page of Wikitext, and being able to handle vandalism by using simple searches of Wikitext source. The answer to having someone post "bollocks" in captions is that you have to search it out using special "label" options, what a pile of ****, completely degrading the current project and making it unusable, un-user friendly, totally hostile and confusing for new users.
::::: This is rapidly burning through volunteer goodwill on Commons, in the WMF/Wikidata evangelists' aim to turn Commons into an "CC0, free for randomly scraping content" annex of Wikidata. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:52, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Fæ}} the whole point of serialization/deserialization would be to let us deal with this content as wikitext. I actually sketched out a proposal for this last year at the Wikimedia conference in Berlin; a few of the Wikimedia Deutschland Wikidata people seemed interested and felt it made some sense but, presumably because I'm on the opposite side of the world & don't have funding, it went nowhere. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 01:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 27 =
== Scandinavian language help needed ==

[[File:Panoramic view looking northwest from the vicinity of Pine St and 2nd Ave, Seattle, Washington, ca 1908 (HESTER 11).jpeg|thumb]] The Salvation Army sign at right in this circa 1908 view of Seattle is clearly in a Scandinavian language. Can someone tell me which? - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 05:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)\
:Of the North Germanic languages, the letter "ä" is only used in Swedish. --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:10, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks! - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 15:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== problem of date selected by default with UploadWizard ==

{{Tracked|T219357}}
Until recently, when I uploaded a file on Commons with UploadWizard, the date automatically recorded in the description was the day (and time) of the shot. Normal. But now, since a few days, the date seems to be the day when the file was exported from Lightroom or Photoshop to my hard disk ("Date metadata was last modified"). I wonder if there has been a change with UploadWizard at this level. Due to this problem, I had to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ASilhouette_of_a_fisherman_on_his_pirogue_at_sunrise_in_Si_Phan_Don_Laos.jpg&type=revision&diff=343708060&oldid=343699329 change manually the date] of several of my pictures. In the table below are two examples.

{| class="wikitable alternance center"
|-
|
! scope="col" | [[:File:River_bank_of_Don_Khon_with_stilt_wooden_houses_at_golden_hour_from_Don_Det_Laos.jpg|Example 1 (correct date)]]
! scope="col" | [[:File:Silhouette_of_a_fisherman_on_his_pirogue_at_sunrise_in_Si_Phan_Don_Laos.jpg|Example 2 (wrong date)]]
|-
! scope="row" | GPS date (Exif metadata)
| '''16 December 2018'''
| 16 January 2019
|-
! scope="row" | Date and time of data generation (Exif metadata)
| '''17:04, 16 December 2018'''
| 06:32, 17 January 2019
|-
! scope="row" | File change date and time (Exif metadata)
| 14:27, 23 February 2019
| 20:41, 23 March 2019
|-
! scope="row" | Date metadata was last modified (Exif metadata)
| 21:27, 23 February 2019
| 03:41, 24 March 2019
|-
! scope="row" | Date and time of digitizing (Exif metadata)
| '''17:04, 16 December 2018'''
| 10:02, 20 January 2019
|-
! scope="row" | Date of last version uploaded
| 07:30, 23 February 2019
| 13:47, 23 March 2019
|-
! scope="row" | Date recorded in the file page with UploadWizard
| [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:River_bank_of_Don_Khon_with_stilt_wooden_houses_at_golden_hour_from_Don_Det_Laos.jpg&oldid=339009112 '''17:04:16, 16 December 2018''']
| [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Silhouette_of_a_fisherman_on_his_pirogue_at_sunrise_in_Si_Phan_Don_Laos.jpg&oldid=343442816 '''08:45:51, 22 March 2019''']
|}

Also I don't understand why in the example 2 the "date when metadata was last modified" is the 24th of March 2019, which means one day after my upload (occurring on the 23rd). Impossible. Could someone help me to understand and fix the problem ? -- [[User:Basile Morin|Basile Morin]] ([[User talk:Basile Morin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{ping|Basile Morin}} Thanks for reporting this, and with clear examples and reproduction steps.
:This is also discussed above at [[Commons:Village_pump#The_upload_script_no_longer_takes_the_date_given_as_the_original_photograph_date]].
:I filed [[phab:T219357]] regarding this issue − your reproduction steps are very helpful, I will copy them there.
:[[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:55, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks, Jean-Fred, and happy to hear the bug was reported already (sorry I missed this thread, we can cut-and-paste this one if necessary). Hope a solution will be found soon -- [[User:Basile Morin|Basile Morin]] ([[User talk:Basile Morin|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 13:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:This was already tracked at [[phab:T219331]], and a fix has already been merged. [[User:Jean-Frédéric|Jean-Fred]] ([[User talk:Jean-Frédéric|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

== 65 files with naming scheme 185A4892 (46551690785).jpg in category ‘People's Vote March, 23 March 2019’ ==

In [[:category:People's Vote March, 23 March 2019]] there are 65 files imported from flickr with a naming scheme of [[:File:185A4892 (46551690785).jpg]]. The names seem to have been taken from flickr, the names are easy to enter, the caption field allows a good description, they can be found through the good categorization, but still: Would it be better to rename this files? There are 65 of them and to the human eye the names look nearly identical? --[[User:C.Suthorn|C.Suthorn]] ([[User talk:C.Suthorn|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 16:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:Those images may be renamed to a more descriptive title per [[Commons:File renaming]], #2: "To change from a meaningless or ambiguous name to a name that describes what the image particularly displays." A generic but sufficiently descriptive prefix such as "People's Vote March against Brexit (London), 23 March 2019" followed by a unique camera identifier (e.g. "185A4892") would be a reasonable naming scheme, unless there are specific elements worth naming in the title (e.g. notable people). [[User:Animalparty|--Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:32, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
: Keep the Flickr photoID in the filename please (like 46551690785). They are unique and can be mapped back to the source even if all the other data is lost. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:: In what possible situation is all other information about the file lost on Commons, yet somehow the filename remains? The flickr ID is unrelated to the purpose of filenames - to identify the subject/contents of the file - and should be purged from filenames whenever possible. [[User:Pi.1415926535|Pi.1415926535]] ([[User talk:Pi.1415926535|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:56, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I mentioned camera number based on the bold text at [[Commons:File_renaming#Which_files_should_be_renamed?]], but the arbitrary Flickr ID is probably a more practical unique identifier than arbitrary camera number for quickly ascertaining whether an image has already been uploaded to Commons. While there is software to strip EXIF data (an unlikely scenario), even if a file with Flickr ID gets renamed, the number will still appear as a redirect. [[User:Animalparty|--Animalparty]] ([[User talk:Animalparty|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 00:19, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Pi.1415926535}} You are an Admin here. As a mere mortal here, all I can see is the filename if a file has been deleted speedily without detailed notice. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 00:39, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Where unique ids exist, they should always be used. This is so obvious, it is painful to see even this is subject to arguments. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:37, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::::yeah, it is unclear why we have to keep repeating common sense, as set down in "File renaming". but the obsession over renaming and imposing other name styles is a waste of effort. description and category shows up in search results. "the perfect name" is the enemy of the good enough. <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 22:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

== "wikitext" content is not allowed on page … in slot "Main" ==

{{phab|T219450}}
I found a main space editing problem:

please try adding ":" in front of <code><nowiki>[[Category:Hardap]]</nowiki></code> at [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hardap&action=edit Hardap] (to hide that redirect from the category page), and try to save. it's not possible. you get a red warning. --[[User:Te750iv|Te750iv]] ([[User talk:Te750iv|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:Same problem, I was trying to create a redirection from [[Australia Occidental]] to [[:Category:Western Australia]] but I couldn't save it. [[User:MarioFinale|MarioFinale]] ([[User talk:MarioFinale|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:08, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
: Great bug. Making changes and breaking things is the priority, rather than retaining volunteers or maintaining what works well already. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
:: Same here, see [[Commons:Help desk#"wikitext" content is not allowed on page Orgues d'Alsace in slot "Main"]]. The most annoying bug I have ever encountered! --[[User:Edelseider|Edelseider]] ([[User talk:Edelseider|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 08:06, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

By the way, this bug stops even 'null' edits from being made. Consequently unrelated to the length or content of edit. Effectively these mainspace pages are now permanently locked by the WMF. --[[User:Fæ|Fæ]] ([[User talk:Fæ|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:49, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

:Again on [[Julia Margaret Cameron]]. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

:On #wikimedia-operations: "''that ticket was not noticed by anyone here; if yannf hadn't reported it we still wouldn't know''". This seems to be fixed now. [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])

::Clearly the ticket took way too much time to be noticed by anyone and acted upon (probably due to a combination of factors- edits on Main namespace as "hidden" by those on File, the ticket had not a proper priority, tags or a clear title, that made it easy to locate. I asked to followup what went wrong in the task management and see what can be done in the future -eg. advise certain steps for emergencies like this- to speedup giving attention to clear errors- Apologies, and thanks to {{User|Yann}} for the ping. --[[User:Jynus|jynus]] ([[User_talk:Jynus|talk]]) 13:55, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

== SABER SI MI ARTICULO FUE ELIMANADO ==

Hola. El día de ayer le di a publicar a un articulo pero hasta ahora no ha salido en el Internet. Recibí un mensaje que decía que una de las imágenes fue eliminada porque infringió los derechos de autor pero no sé si todo el artículo fue eliminado. Además, no hay una opción para colocar otra imagen y que así mi articulo no sea eliminado. Soy novata en esto y requiero ayuda de alguien que pueda darme respuestas, se lo agradecería mucho.

Saludos y gracias. {{unsigned2|20:37, 27 March 2019|Marypotter22}}
:→[[Commons:Help desk#SABER SI MI ARTICULO FUE ELIMANDO]]. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 22:34, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
:Por favor, no se pide la misma cosa en dos lugares. [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 00:01, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 28 =
== "wikitext" content is not allowed on page "page name" in slot "Main" ==

Hi I am receiving this message on page creation for a gallery. Is it no longer possible to create galleries? Thx. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:26, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
: Nevermind, I subscribed to Phab task T219450 above. [[User:Jane023|Jane023]] ([[User talk:Jane023|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:33, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

== Julia Margaret Cameron ==

Hi, Who is the author of this portrait: [[:File:JuliaCameron.png]] (one of the oldest file on Commons)? It was initially credited to [[:Category:Charles Somers-Cocks]], as per [http://www.zeno.org/Fotografien/B/Somers,+Lord%3A+Portr%C3%A4t+Julia+Margaret+Cameron], and then [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:JuliaCameron.png&diff=48186983&oldid=5874632 changed] without reference to Gustave Rejlander and Lewis Carroll (both are possible, but 2 authors seem unlikely). Finally [[Julia Margaret Cameron]] credits it to herself. Even more confusing... Has anyone access to some reliable source? Regards, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:56, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
: The National Portrait Gallery [https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw64620 credits] "possibly" Charles Somers-Cocks, as follows: "Julia Margaret Cameron / possibly by Charles Somers Cocks, 3rd Earl Somers / albumen print, 1858-1859". If these years are correct, we can rule out a self portrait photograph and Rejlander (who came to the Isle of Wight at the request of Julia Cameron and helped teach her photography around 1863). "Possibly Charles Somers-Cocks" seems like the best option. [[User:Vysotsky|Vysotsky]] ([[User talk:Vysotsky|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. This is quite reliable. Regards, [[User:Yann|Yann]] ([[User talk:Yann|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:03, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 29 =
== Our 18.6Mb page ==

I '''do not''' recommend opening this link, but [[Emoji/Table]] currently has '''1,437,488 bytes''' of wiki-code - and that's without any image files. The [https://tools.pingdom.com/ Pingdom tool] has the page download as a whopping '''18.6 MB'''. Is there any need for this? Can the page be split into ''several'' parts? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:14, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

:See also [[Special:LongPages]] for other examples. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:21, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
:: The emojis have been improved a bit recently. Typing "emoji" in the search box used to take you straight to a gigantic page. [[User:Ghouston|--ghouston]] ([[User talk:Ghouston|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:08, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

== Mobile work platforms ==

[[File:Mechelen station opbouw overkapping HSL sporen 2.jpg|thumb]]How are these platforms called and is there a category for this?[[User:Smiley.toerist|Smiley.toerist]] ([[User talk:Smiley.toerist|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

:[[:Category:Cherry pickers]]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 10:53, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

== Searching captions in any language is available ==

Wikibase's search has been updated, you can find captions in any language using the Commons search bar. For example, I captioned [[:File:Tracks_(43677152441).jpg|Tracks_(43677152441).jpg]]. Search [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=penguins+at+boulders+beach&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1 finds it in English] and [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Manchot+du+Cap&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1 in French] with no advanced features required.

I've added search instructions for captions to [[Commons:File_captions#How_can_I_search_by_caption%3F|Commons:File captions]]. [[mw:Extension:WikibaseMediaInfo#Search|Depicts and other statements will be searchable right out of the box]] when they are released, [[Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Depicts_testing|beginning with simple depicts later next week]]. [[User:Keegan (WMF)|Keegan (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Keegan (WMF)|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 30 =
== March 25th, 2019 ==

Something is broken here at the Village Pump as all new discussions / announcements seem to be listed at "March 25", can someone fix it? Also, what caused this rather odd issue? --<small>[[User:Donald Trung|Donald Trung 『徵國單』]] ([[User talk:Donald Trung|No Fake News 💬]]) ([[Commons:WikiProject Numismatics|WikiProject Numismatics]] 💴) ([[w:nl:Gebruiker:Donald Trung/Mijn werk 🏢|Articles 📚]])</small> 01:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Donald Trung}} I asked {{ping|Hazard-SJ|p=}} about it at [[User talk:Hazard-SJ#Hazard-Bot]] and compensated manually. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 03:08, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Donald Trung}} He fixed it. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 00:56, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
:: Yeah, I forgot to mark this section as "resolved". --<small>[[User:Donald Trung|Donald Trung 『徵國單』]] ([[User talk:Donald Trung|No Fake News 💬]]) ([[Commons:WikiProject Numismatics|WikiProject Numismatics]] 💴) ([[w:nl:Gebruiker:Donald Trung/Mijn werk 🏢|Articles 📚]])</small> 07:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

{{section resolved|1=--<small>[[User:Donald Trung|Donald Trung 『徵國單』]] ([[User talk:Donald Trung|No Fake News 💬]]) ([[Commons:WikiProject Numismatics|WikiProject Numismatics]] 💴) ([[w:nl:Gebruiker:Donald Trung/Mijn werk 🏢|Articles 📚]])</small> 07:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)}}

== Help me on this image copyrights. ==

I am trying to edit this page [[:en:Megan Crosson]]

The Megan personally provided me an image to be inserted in her wiki page. this is the image
https://www.flickr.com/photos/145866906@N04/46532630115/

also, Megan told me that this is his own photo (he own the rights and carry the appropriate license to issue on Wikipedia)
Can I insert that Photo in her Wiki article? {{Autotranslate|base=Unsigned|1=Mubashar44|2=12:19, 30 March 2019}}
*{{re|Mubashar44}} Signing your posts on talk pages is required by [[Commons:Signatures]] policy. To do so, simply add four {{w|tilde|tildes}} (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your comments. Your user name or IP address (if you are not logged in) and a {{w|timestamp}} will then automatically be added when you save your comment. Signing your comments helps people to find out who said something and provides them with a link to your user/talk page (for further discussion).
:{{ping|Marcus Cyron}} Is this the same photo you deleted as [[:File:Megan Crosson.jpg]]? &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 12:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::No. The image I've deletes was from a professional portrait fotoshoot, not from a game or training. [[User:Marcus Cyron|Marcus Cyron]] ([[User talk:Marcus Cyron|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Marcus Cyron}} Thanks. However, I doubt that she took that photo of herself that she uploaded to Flickr. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 16:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I would say no to that image, as to me that flickr account looks very suspicious - it's a single-purpose account, and several images have watermarks from different photographers. The best thing to do would have Ms Crosson use [[COM:OTRS|the OTRS method]] to confirm that she holds rights to the image. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 16:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

== Can I use an image (map) from Google Earth on the Commons? ==

I poked around the Commons and I can't find advice on permission to use Google Earth captured images (maps, not street view).

GE says free to use but does that meet Wikimedia standards? I'm sure this is a question answered before but I can't get close to an answer with searches I've tried. --[[User:BrucePL|BrucePL]] ([[User talk:BrucePL|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:58, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:Short answer is no. [https://www.google.com/permissions/geoguidelines/ Long answer] is that Google does not allow for commercial use. --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:If it is not street view, but maps, you can use the maps from open streetmap (and actually you will find many uses of osm in wikipedia: many categories in commons show this in the infobox, on wikidata all coordinates are visualized with an osm map). --[[User:C.Suthorn|C.Suthorn]] ([[User talk:C.Suthorn|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 06:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::Both answers seem contradicting. The GE web page on permissions and subpage on web use seem to permit use of images for education purposes. Wikipedia qualifies?--[[User:BrucePL|BrucePL]] ([[User talk:BrucePL|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:03, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::: No. All content on Commons '''must''' be freely usable for '''any''' purpose by '''anyone'''. [[User:ViperSnake151|ViperSnake151]] ([[User talk:ViperSnake151|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:49, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::: It wouldn't be ''illegal'' for Commons to use images from Google maps, but it would be ''against our policy'' because images here are intended to be available for reuse. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 21:44, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Adding to the above, {{Reply|BrucePL|p=,}} the same is true of Wikipedia (the English version at least). Although usage in any article is almost certainly educational, in accord with the general purpose of the site, it is enWP policy not to host content that can’t be freely shared, repurposed, & republished. (Exceptions are made for images that can’t be adequately replaced by any free illustration, and only at low resolution—see [[:en:WP:NFCC]]—that certainly wouldn’t apply to a current map.) Commons also is dedicated to [[COM:SCOPE|educational purposes]] but equally to serving as a free resource, not just as a host of galleries.—[[User:Odysseus1479|Odysseus1479]] ([[User talk:Odysseus1479|talk]]) 22:29, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::::"No. All content on Commons must be freely usable for any purpose by anyone" = hopelessly idealistic and false. see also [[commons:personality rights]] , bur yeah, the "education purposes" is false also; as we see with the EU directive, carving out wikipedia exceptions harms the wider web, on which wikipedia is based. -- <font face="Vijaya">[[User:Slowking4| Slowking4]] § [[User_talk:Slowking4|Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge]] </font> 23:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

== "Category:Israel by year" ==

Presently, [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Israel_by_year Category:Israel by year] have a lot of categories ''before'' 1948. This is IMO, absurd, as Israel did not exist before 1948. I suggest that we move all those between 1920 and 1948 to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:British_Mandate_of_Palestine Category:British Mandate of Palestine] by year, and those before 1920 to [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ottoman_Syria Category:Ottoman Syria] by year.

Comments? [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

:The same should apply to subcategories of [[:Category:Palestine by year]] before 1988.--[[User:Shlomo|Shlomo]] ([[User talk:Shlomo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
::Actually, I (mostly) agree! The question is when it comes to the pictures between 1948 and 1988; I think we must discuss that further. (Where should those pictures of the West Bank 1948–1967 go? And where should the pictures of the West Bank 1967–1988 go?) But those before 1948 should definitely go into the [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:British_Mandate_of_Palestine Category:British Mandate of Palestine] by year, and the ones before 1920 into the Category:Ottoman Syria etc, just like those of [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Israel_by_year Category:Israel by year], before 1948, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Mind you, there's [[:Category:Palestine by year]] and [[:Category:Palestinian territories by year]]. --[[User:HyperGaruda|HyperGaruda]] ([[User talk:HyperGaruda|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 05:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:The Kingdom of Israel existed long before 1948. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 04:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:This is tricky, and I understand how in this case it is particularly loaded; on the other hand, we routinely use present-day country (and smaller administrative unit) names to refer to present territory rather than territory at the time of an image. For example, we have a bunch of "...in Washington (state)" categories for the period when Washington was either part of the Oregon Territory or was a territory (but not a state) in its own right. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 08:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::On the other hand, we have [[:Category:Königsberg in the 1920s]] which is categorized as a city in Germany, not in Russia… Also, we have categories like [[:Category:Yugoslavia by year]], [[:Category:Czechoslovakia by year]] or [[:Category:Soviet Union by year]], which certainly do not refer to their present territory.--[[User:Shlomo|Shlomo]] ([[User talk:Shlomo|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 09:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Well, seeing categories like "[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Israel_in_the_1880s Israel in the 1880s]" is a bit absurd, IMO. It also looks as if it is mostly files relating to the Jewish community at the time. (In the 1880s about 5% of the population of present Israel/Palestine were Jewish.)
:::There is a name for those, namely [[:en:Yishuv]], and it actually has its [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:HaYishuv_by_decade Category:HaYishuv by decade]. Perhaps all the [[:Category:Israel by year]] before 1948 could go into the corresponding "HaYishuv by year"? Comments? [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|Huldra}} I'd have no problem with that. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 21:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

= March 31 =
== Caption changes in watchlists ==

Hi, when a caption is added it causes an entry in the watchlist even though it is a wikidata item and so should not appear if you are ignoring wikidata changes. Or is there some other flag that needs to be toggled to ignore these changes? [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:26, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{re|Keith D}} They are wikibase, not wikidata. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 22:29, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
::OK but the question still stands - how do you turn off the entry in the watchlist? [[User:Keith D|Keith D]] ([[User talk:Keith D|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 22:41, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{re|Keith D}} Try posting at [[Commons talk:Structured data]]. &nbsp; — <span style="font-size:115%;background:#FFA">[[User:Jeff G.|Jeff G.]]</span> ツ<small><sub> please [[Template:Ping|ping]] or [[User:Jeff G./talk|talk to me]]</sub></small> 22:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

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