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No stubby pages

Please don't create pages that are just stubs; it's not really helpful. It doesn't give less work to do to those who'll actually create the page. --Gez (talk) 13:07, 3 September 2024 (CDT)

OK, I didn't understand that. Thank you for letting me know. Robotcthulhu (talk) 13:10, 3 September 2024 (CDT)

"Why do they keep using doom marine instead of doom slayer"

Because it's a valid name for him and I liked it better. Do you need a different answer than that? --Quasar (talk) 13:35, 20 September 2024 (CDT)

No, not really. They're very interchangable, but in Doom 2016 and Eternal, the canonical name is slayer, so I think in context to those games, it is important to use that name for continuity. Robotcthulhu (talk) 18:47, 20 September 2024 (CDT)

2016 uses both names. The UAC in particular frequently refers to the character as the "Doom Marine". I expect all instances where the game calls the character such to be preserved going forward in case that isn't clear from what I've said elsewhere already. --Quasar (talk) 00:22, 18 November 2024 (CST)

Expressed plan to split Doom's protagonist

I am not in favor of any plan that would split this article; too much effort has been put into the material we currently have, which is comprehensive and ties what needs to be tied across games in the series. --Quasar (talk) 09:24, 23 September 2024 (CDT)

Ok, got it. Robotcthulhu (talk) 04:02, 24 September 2024 (CDT)

Image uploads

Please add source links for the new concept art (and the correct category), as has been good practice so far. --Xymph (talk) 08:33, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

Got it. I wasn't sure which section to add the source in, so I just did it in the summary section. I'll make sure to do that in the future, and I fixed all of them already. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 08:44, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

Rushing this is not a good idea, some are missing a period after the first (short) sentence, before 'Source'. Adding that to the Summary is fine, like it was with uploads by Wad overdose. Which I presume you're "cutting off at the pass" to help avoid extensive cleanup of possible future uploads by them - that is appreciated. But are you now planning to upload that entire huge Tung gallery to the wiki? --Xymph (talk) 08:49, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

No, there's some things that just don't matter. I think 6 pictures for the carcass is too much, and from now on, I'm going to make it 1-2 concept art, and maybe 1 ideation sketch per page. Also, enemies like the [[Cueball] and zombie don't need concept art. Any opinions on this? --Robotcthulhu (talk) 08:54, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

Please use the Preview button until a page layout is no longer botched, before submitting. --Xymph (talk) 09:02, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

"You learn a new thing every day" Thanks. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 09:03, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

Sorry to butt in, but I have another issue with all these images. Why are they so big? As I remember from my time at the Wikipedia, fair use images should be as small as possible to not anger copyright holders. I suggest compressing them all to about 800 pixels wide, which should be enough to illustrate the articles. --Nockson (talk) 09:04, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

No issues with you butting in. From now on I'll do that. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 09:05, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

Also, that helps with the file size. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 09:19, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

"I think 6 pictures for the carcass is too much": Then please mark the excess files with {{SpeedyDelete|15}} and prune those entries from the gallery.
Previously you asked a few times whether your plan about doing something was a good idea. I am starting to wish you had done that here too, as by now the amount of cleanup isn't so much less than with W.o's stuff anymore. --Xymph (talk) 09:35, 25 September 2024 (CDT)

Doom 2016/Eternal edits

There are a lot of edits on articles for these two titles by a Ukrainian user (Wad overdose/ 217.196.163.185/ 217.196.161.220) that require not only extreme amounts of clean-up, but also verification by an experienced editor who is very knowledgeable about those games. Therefore, unless I can verify them via the provided sources, those edits are left unaccepted and should stay on the pending changes list. Recently you were auto-promoted to editor, giving you the ability to check the 'accept this version' box when adding your own edit to such articles with pending edits. I'm asking you to not check that box on articles that already have a bunch of Ukrainian edits.

I realize you're doing your best to help clean those up, but even then further checks and polish are necessary. I don't know your level of experience with the two games, but your wiki experience is not quite there yet to accept edits by others that require such extreme amounts of clean-up and verification. Formatting issues don't harm the wiki and can be easily addressed, but information needs to be factually correct and fit with the wiki's mission, or it hurts the wiki's reputation. If you already accept the Ukrainian edits along with your own, we lose track of what needs another pair of eyes. So please don't. If that means the list of pending changes keeps growing, that is unfortunate, but bad information is worse. Thanks for your cooperation. --Xymph (talk) 06:08, 22 October 2024 (CDT)

OK. I have a large amount of expierience with Doom Eternal and a little bit with Doom 2016, but I'll make sure to keep that in mind in the future. Thank you. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 08:15, 22 October 2024 (CDT)

Good to hear you know at least one of the games well. But the thing is, your own edits ignore our guidelines in some places and require clean-up too. So please continue to contribute with fixing Wad overdose's edits, that does help quite a bit already, but for acceptance more thorough work is needed. Thanks for understanding. --Xymph (talk) 09:59, 22 October 2024 (CDT)

Continuing damage to articles

I expect you to respect the actual context of Doom 2016 material. When the game itself uses the term "Doom Marine", as it clearly does in the Codex itself, you do not change that to suit your own preference. --Quasar (talk) 22:43, 17 November 2024 (CST)

I'm sorry, I deleted one message becuse when I wrote that, I didn't have context for this. I will make sure, in the future, to respect the context of the replacement. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2024 (CST)

Edit summaries

Hi there. I've noticed that you're in the habit of leaving the summary field empty for all but the first article in a list of edits. While that technically works for Recent changes, it is still rather bothersome having to scroll down and search for that first edit that contains the summary, especially when there are many other edits having been made by other editors during the same time period. But more importantly, in the History tab of an individual article, an editor later on has no indication what your edit entailed by looking at the list of edits, which is really the main reason for including edit summaries in the first place. So as a convenience to your fellow current and future editors, I would like to ask you to add summaries to all of your edits going forward, like all the rest of us. In case you're worried about having to type out the same summary over and over, the summary field actually has a pretty solid algorithm that will suggest your most recent summary as the top choice after just a few edits, so adding the same summary to large batches of articles only requires typing the first letter of the summary and then clicking on the top choice. --Gregor (talk) 07:46, 19 November 2024 (CST)

I understand. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 08:21, 19 November 2024 (CST)

Additionally, please be conservative in your use of the minor edit checkbox. On Wikipedia this is strictly limited to spelling fixes, formatting tweaks, and the like. We're more relaxed about it here, e.g. adding one or several wikilinks or wp links is still minor, but once an edit includes notable addition or modification of content, it is no longer minor. That is clearly the case here and here, and also in a few earlier edits. I actually went into the database to turn off the minor flag there, but don't want to make a habit of it. It's also not forbidden to keep redirects in text so it flows better, so some of the changes here were not really necessary (trooper, soul sphere), although it's fine to keep them now that they're there. --Xymph (talk) 12:54, 19 November 2024 (CST)

Changing articles just for replacing one kind of working wikilink into another (like maplinkgen) is not necessary, and just wastes your time making the edits and everyone else's following Recent Changes. It's okay to change to mlg if you need to make more substantial edits to articles anyway, but let's reduce RC clutter otherwise. Thanks. --Xymph (talk) 06:00, 23 November 2024 (CST)

TBH, the (m)dash tweaks are really superficial too. Strictly speaking they are correct, that's why I haven't spoken up about those, but normally we make such tweaks only when doing more extensive passes over articles. When an edit contains just one or two dash->mdash fixes, it's a good moment to pause and think, is this really necessary now? For something much more constructive, perhaps you can complete/add all glory kill sections for DE and D2016 monsters that don't have them yet, per the reference clips? --Xymph (talk) 06:32, 23 November 2024 (CST)

Ordinal directions

Hello, I researched what could be the correct usage of certain ordinal directions (i.e. using "northwest" as opposed to "north-west" and vice versa) and I can conclude that there honestly isn't too much in difference between both uses. Both are acceptable to use. I tend to not hyphenate it, and there isn't much issue in not doing so. I realize there's a difference between the American English version (northwest) and the British English version (north-west) as well. I just use "northwest" since it seems to be a standard for contemporary use. --Getsu Fune (talk) 20:42, 5 December 2024 (CST)

Our guidelines do not require a specific English version, as long as one is used consistently within an article. So if a direction hyphenation is the only change in some edits, then it would again be appreciated when other editors are spared the Recent Changes clutter resulting from them. But of course, fixing things that are actually incorrect or in contradiction with the guidelines remains welcome. --Xymph (talk) 02:34, 6 December 2024 (CST)

Article cleanup

Hi there once again. I've seen you have taken it upon yourself to replace hypens with dashes in articles and fix capitalization, among other things. Just as a heads-up, we had a discussion over on CP about year ago regarding capitalization of Heretic's weapons and items, which broadened into a more general discussion about what type of names should be treated as proper nouns vs generic descriptors. It's a somewhat long thread but I think it would make sense for you to read through it since it is directly related to your ongoing efforts and I have seen you "fixing" weapon, monster, and item names that are in fact proper nouns and should remain capitalized.

Also, as you work yourself through more articles, keep in mind that en dashes with spaces around them can be used in place of em dashes in articles (→see WP:Manual of Style). So these do not need to be corrected. --Gregor (talk) 12:18, 13 December 2024 (CST)

Map articles

Please do not create articles for maps in multi-level WADs. That seriously gets in the way of scripted processes. After all these months of contributing here, it's disappointing you haven't learned that yet. --Xymph (talk) 02:30, 24 December 2024 (CST)

Sorry. I didn't know. Maybe that's something you should put in the basic editing or help page, or at the top of the map skel template? I had just never run into this before. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 05:08, 24 December 2024 (CST)

Welcome posts

I believe you mean well, but I am uncomfortable with you posting that "Welcome!" message to new users' talk pages:

• The idea itself is okay (I proposed it already), but if this is going to be a general welcome from the "wiki staff", then its content and wording should be discussed and agreed upon.
• A general welcome from the wiki staff should be posted by a neutral person, an admin, or a bot.
• Not every new account is an actual user, quite a few are created by spam bots (e.g. Mymobilityscooters6506) or passers-by without ever actually making an edit. I believe it's better to post something after their first edit.
• Starting out with a warning against 'being mean' is somewhat unwelcoming, as it assumes the new user may consider that and thus deserves a preemptive notice. Our initial stance should be to assume good faith.

To develop this idea further, a Central Processing topic would be the next step. --Xymph (talk) 06:03, 5 January 2025 (CST)

Reviewing other people's edits

Hello! This edit (reviewed by you) caught my attention today - although there was some useful information added, there were a lot of problems with the formatting (DN3D was wp instead of wl, Painkiller linked to the drug instead of a game, C&C linked to the series instead of a game, some tracks were missing authors and so on). I ask you in the future, when checking other people's edits, to review their content in detail, and not superficially. And if you don't have the desire or knowledge to do this, then it's better to simply skip such edits - more knowledgeable editors will check them sooner or later. An unchecked edit is better than a superficially checked one that contains hidden errors. --Nockson (talk) 12:08, 13 January 2025 (CST)

Music edits

Hi, I showed how to fix the first half your Armageddon 2 edits – could you please fix the other half, and the overview list? Thanks. Another thing to consider is taking a cue from MF38 and Getsu Fune, and not update your logs every time but bundle updates into groups of at least 4. Those tracking Recent Changes thank you for the spam reduction. :) --Xymph (talk) 08:39, 17 January 2025 (CST)

Sorry for stupid question, but where was the caps mistake?

https://doomwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Empowered_demon&oldid=508884 This edit was me, I just now created an account. Where was it that I screwed up the caps? (and wait it was an actually good edit? aww thanks)

-Skitter35 (how do you do that cool profile link thing)

See the diff, common nouns are lowercased. The same policy page also explains signing talk posts. Reading the entire guidelines is recommended. --Xymph (talk) 02:15, 8 February 2025 (CST)

Breaking section anchors

When this happens, there are always two options: unbreaking them, or updating all the places they are used:

Acolyte ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Temple Guards
Acolyte ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Bailey Guard
Acolyte ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Prison Guard
Acolyte ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Warehouse Guard
Acolyte ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Warehouse Guard 2
The Order ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Dock Workers
MAP02: Town (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Front Guard
Peasant ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Dock Workers
MAP05: Prison (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Door Guard
MAP05: Prison (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Prison Guard
Rebel ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Front Guard
Secret level ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Master Smithy
MAP04: Power Station (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 1#Dock Workers
MAP11: Borderlands (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Temple Guards
MAP17: Fortress: The Bailey (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Bailey Guard
MAP17: Fortress: The Bailey (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Warehouse Guard
MAP18: Fortress: Stores (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 2#Warehouse Guard 2
MAP22: Factory: Forge (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Master Smithy
MAP23: Order Commons (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Master Smithy
MAP23: Order Commons (Strife) ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Weapon Smith
Strife quest items ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Master Smithy
Offering chalice ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Master Smithy
HE grenade ::
	Strife minor characters - Hub 3#Weapon Smith

Can you do either? --Xymph (talk) 02:44, 22 February 2025 (CST)

On it! --Robotcthulhu (talk) 05:40, 22 February 2025 (CST)

Welp, Quasar reverted the "Master Smithy" back. Do you think that you could recompile this list for me? I need to know what they broke and unbroke. Thank you! --Robotcthulhu (talk) 05:27, 23 February 2025 (CST)

We're done. --Xymph (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2025 (CST)

Sorry, I can't see it/don't know where to look. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 07:22, 24 February 2025 (CST)

Thank you for letting me know. --Robotcthulhu (talk) 07:38, 24 February 2025 (CST)