Talk:BT (musician)

ASAW album release date (month) incorrectly cited and removed

This upcoming album is confirmed by Armada, but the release date that was previously added either no longer exists, or didn't exist to begin with. The release is quoted as "summer 2013" properly now. Lanceking11 (talk) 22:12, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Removal of top section, other sections due to bad links

This entire comment was removed from the introduction of this article- "BT is known in production circles for among other things, his signature technique, the Stutter Edit™, also known as the BT stutter and pioneering techniques that are widely adopted in other idioms of music. This technique consists of taking a micro fragment of sound and then repeating it rhythmically whilst applying varying mathematical formulas. BT was entered into the Guinness Book of World Records utilizing this technique in 2003 for his song Somnambulist for the largest number of vocal edits in a song (6,178 edits.)"

The apple article noted says absolutely nothing about "BT Stutter."

This is untrue it say the following : " Stutter Edit will allow DJs and electronic music performers to replicate and modify the signature BT stutter effect" THE AUTHOR OF THE APPLE ARTICLE not BT, CLEARLY SAYS "THE SIGNATURE BT STUTTER EFFECT" Link here : http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/profiles/bt/

It should not be used as a reference to BT Stutter being a standard industry term. The keyboard Magazine link no longer works, so not sure how that is supporting BTs production being used in other forms of music. There is also no reference provided for the Guinness book of world records, although I know that to be true. If any of these items are put back into the article, I will remove them if a good source is not provided. Please discuss here and have good faith in making edits regarding this. Fctchkr (talk) 16:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Removing this section again for the most part as two of the three sources, are no good. This keyboard magazine link does not work- http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=29&storycode=12191. are people meaning to link to the other keyboard magazine article that is linked further down in the article? Furthermore, you can use the somnambulist article as a cited source, as that article has no sources listed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somnambulist_(Simply_Being_Loved). I also corrected the link to the bias peak article that is a good reference for the book of world records. Fctchkr (talk) 19:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Mathandart- please do not remove previous comments in this discussion area without first discussing removal of that material with the author. Also, please keep your comments in line and sign your comments to make it more easily readable what are your comments, and what are the comments of others. I would argue about the validity of both the Apple article and the article from wired. The apple article is a promotional piece that is mainly intended to be a sales tool for Apple. The blurb that you are referring to is a side note where it is mentioned what BTs product "stutteredit" is. It is not clearly written or proven in any of those articles "stutteredit" is an industry accepted term. Please see the discussion below about this as it has been discussed before. If you can provide a source that isn't trying to help BT sell something that says this is an industry wide term, please provide it.

Hi Fctchkr, Wether Apple.com or wired.com are helping BT try to sell something is not my concern. What is my concern is your refusal to accept that these are viable, reliable news sources that are quoted in innumerable wiki's. This seems more of a personal issue with you. I will keep changing them back. We need an external moderator here for sure.

-MathandArt

I also think it should be noted that most of the anonymous edits were done by the same IP range that has previously tried to remove entire sections of this article that were not in line with BT's marketing campaigns. It is my belief that mathandart is this same person, and probably associated with BT directly if not in his employment, or BT himself. I will, however, avoid getting into an edit war with this person, and would like for somebody else that frequently watches this article to weigh in on the validity of these sources and what I perceive to be opinion, and not fact. Fctchkr (talk) 17:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Fctchkr This is a great conspiracy theory, you should write a film. Is it hard to imagine for you that there is a fan that wants to protect the truth about one of his favorite artists? Long live the truth :) -MathandArt

Hello Fctchkr, MathandArt and all. What is the issue here just curious? It seems Fctchkr has some personal issue with BT. He keeps removing citations from verifiable news sources. Thanks for doing the right thing here MathandArt. I am watching now too. [[User:Aldrerdash] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldrerdash (talk • contribs) 21:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Sources updated

My main concern is that this article has been filled with bad information by anonymous users, and now we have two brand new users defending the edits. If you follow this discussion thread you can see that many of these items have been discussed and removed from the article before. Even if Apple or wired are considered large published sources that does not mean the articles as published are good sources. There is no peer review, and I'm sure there is very little editorial review of those articles as listed. The wired article has several factual inaccuracies, and the apple bio is a rewrite of several older bt press releases. The California chronicle article has information lifted almost completely from the wikipedia article. how can you say that a source that uses wikipedia information is a valid source? Still waiting on a moderator or administrator to weigh in as my tags concerning weasel words and peacock statements were valid and should not have been removed. Fctchkr (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Please review the wikipedia guidelines on verifiability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability. You will note that it specifically says that websites and publications that are largely promotional in nature should be questioned for verifiability. Also, circular sourcing should be avoided. The california chronicle lifted this straight from the wikipedia article- "a musical prodigy who had started playing piano at age 2." This section is not well written, and it is poorly sourced. Instead of just reverting my edits, why don't we work together and come up with an agreeable medium between what is there now, and what would work much better for the article? As you can see, I'm trying to resolve this issue with good faith.

I think the following items being removed/changed will make me happier with the way it reads and the weasel/peacock statements- "BT is known in production circles for among other things, his signature technique, the Stutter Edit™ [2], also known as the BT stutter[3] and pioneering techniques that are widely adopted in other idioms of music.[4]" To something like "BT is known for his his of stutter edits. This technique consists of taki...." and "BT is also known for creating new modalities, techniques, instruments and proprietary software to realize his musical visions[6]. " should be changed to "BT is known for creating new techniques and instruments to realize his musical visions." Basically the same content, better written, and it removes the biased slant that this section currently has.Fctchkr (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

The user Mathandart has been banned from wikipedia for having multiple accounts. I'll leave my proposed revisions shown above for another day or two to allow others to comment. If there is no further discussion or disagreement I will make the changes on 3/3/10. Thanks. Fctchkr (talk) 14:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Please see this discussion page- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Screenshot_of_Itunes_top_single_sales_on_facebook. The information regarding his latest single being on the top of digital sales charts will also need to be removed if a better source can not be identified. Thanks to other more involved editors and mods weighing in on the current state of this article. Fctchkr (talk) 16:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

References

Removal of Tags

I am going to be removing both the WikiProject Music criteria for importance notice as well as the complete rewrite tags on this article. BT's significant is beyond any notion of debate, and the articles structure is very well concieved. The other tags in this article have merit and I won't delete them. ~ ReAPsTA

I deleted the citation and also advert tags. This morning I almost completely redid the article and have cited most of the uncited information in it. It no longer reads as an advert, either. Gloriamarie 18:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Commentary on POV

Although I must say, though the review of BT's work is comprehensive and well thought out, it does seem a bit POV in its opinions of Movement in Still Life, among other things. In its negative appraisal of this album, it fails to cite sources of reviewers who agree with the opinion stated in the article. If the author doesn't respond, I'll take some action in making the otherwise well written biography a bit less biased.

Logalot 01:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I have removed much of the worst POV stuff, but there is still a bit there that should probably be taken out or moved to individual articles of his albums/songs. Gloriamarie 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Gloriamarie

There have been a lot of recent edits that have put unsourced and POV information back into this article. Particularly, a lot of opinion around what BT has pioneered and the long term impact of his music. I've removed the items that are obviously incorrect, but many other items added by some of the recent edits need to be reviewed and corrected. Unfortunately, it appears that many of the updates that user Cndrblock has done have been reverted or completely changed. I for one like the direction the article was taking before the recent edits by anonymous users. Fctchkr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC).

IQ Source Request

Source needed for iq statement.--William sharkey 23:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117741/bio Rafert 21:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, but the imdb.com is about as verifiable as the information on THIS site.--Toquinha 18:11, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Who Pioneered the BT Stutter?

I do believe that the "BT stutter" was pioneered by kraftwerk. (Note "Boing Boom Tschak"

69.113.250.67 19:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I think BT himself credited the stutter effect to them in an interview at some point. Someone with credible google-fu might be able to find the quote in question.70.35.227.160 15:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's common to refer to it as the "BT Stutter" but he has taken it to a new level if anyone did it previously. Kraftwerk never reached the popular masses as NSync did. That's a fact. Gloriamarie 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Gloriamarie

BT created the Stutter Edit, and is actively developing it for release in 2007 through his new software company, Sonik Architects. For reference, please see an hour-long video interview at the DivX Stage6 BT channel: http://stage6.divx.com/BT . Here you can not only see BT discussing Stutter Edit (his official name for it), but also in part 5 of the interview a demonstration of the new software implementation.

BT most certainly did not create the stutter edit. Kurtiz Mantronix was doing it a decade before BT as were other artists. In fact, BT never incorporated a stutter edit into a track until Hip Hop Phenomenon which was largely produced by Adam Beber (of Tsunami 1) with additional help by Andy Page. Popularizing something is far different from creating it. Also, BT may have helped popularize the nu skool breaks sound with Hip Hop Phenomenon but the genre existed for half a decade before that track. Whomever wrote this article needs to quit reading BT's interviews and taking his quotes as fact.(MS)

Guys like Meat Beat Manifesto were using the stutter edit well before Brian and I vaguely recall BT acknowledging this. If you're pedantic enough, I'm sure you could go back to years to classical musicians who were using what were essentially stutter edits in their works (de Bussey springs to mind but I can't confirm this..). Hip Hop Phenomenon does have the edits through it but Brian's done them before (on ESCM.. 'Orbitus Teranium' is insane with them (as an aside to this, it's Adam Freeland & Kevin Beber who make up Tsunami One). BT has certainly taken stutter edits to an extreme level and it is pervasive throughout his work, to the point where it is referred to as the BT stutter. He's become so proficient at it that he's got to the point of creating software that allows people to do stutter edits live (similar to the Eyeris, he used a while back but software as opposed to hardware). BT refers to them as stutter edits because that's what they are - I don't know of any time he's claimed to have been the first to pioneer them. (CKM)

"(as an aside to this, it's Adam Freeland & Kevin Beber who make up Tsunami One)" Beber did all the sound sculpting and engineering. Freeland helped with sequencing but and general idea of tracks. That's why I credited it primarily to Beber. (MS)

I don't know if this was what the edit 3 up was talking about but, it's not that he created the effect, its that he created the program that turns the input sound into a synth effect so that you can do it without having to manually cut and sequence.71.184.205.6 (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Drasticly needs re-write

This entire article is POV and uncited. I would suggest a complete re-write.

Agreed. One too many weasel words for my liking too Early Q 20:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Who added Look

Does anyone know how Look got on BT's filmography list, it is a private film, and it was also added when it had a different title, and no one was supposed to know about it. --[[User:Halibut THyme|Halibut Thyme]], 04:33 PM, 23 September 2006.

I don't really know what you mean when you say that it was a private film that no one was supposed to know about, because I just read about it when it was previously called "Surveillance" in many BT interviews and it doesn't seem that he's trying to hide it. I think you've got your facts wrong here. It seems to be a major movie release, from BT's comments. Gloriamarie 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Gloriamarie

Where's the contents?

Why is the contents are not in the article? It must be in there not to be confused with the reader.

Keenrich 22:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I've made the table of contents visible now. -- Bovineone 04:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite

I will begin a complete re-write next week. Please add discussion items to this page for things that you believe should be included. This page seems like a advertisement for BT, and as much of a fan as I am, it's no place for an encyclopedia. The re-write will only consist of factual items (such as collaborations and facts found in existing databases). Any other suggestions, or if you'd like to help me, please, discuss! Trodaikid1983 23:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and done quite a rewrite-- I've added quite a bit and cited most of what was there. There was only one thing I could find that was factually wrong and I've removed it along with some of the more opinionated statements in the album treatments. Gloriamarie 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Gloriamarie

Accuracy of technical information

I have noticed that the information about the techniques Brian uses are inaccurate and misleading.

• The information in the current revision on time correction is an extremely limited (and not altogether accurate) perspective, and is unclear. I think technical information explaining time correction constitutes its own page. I feel the term "time correction" has become widely accepted in the industry as the name of this technique.

• The given explanation of the "BT stutter" effect is also misleading and incomplete, and could also possibly warrant its own page, however, as far as I know, the "BT stutter" is not widely accepted as a term.

• The explanation of granular synthesis is unclear and incomplete. Time correction and his stutter effect could certainly be argued to be signature techniques of his, however I do not know of any reason that granular synthesis should be considered one. He also does not exclusively use REplay PLAYer for his granular processing.

Joemoser 09:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea about this technical stuff; some of what was cited in the article I did find in a few other articles. It did seem like a bad description to me but I am not the one to do a better technical rewrite. I also came across a description by BT and it wasn't very enlightening, either. Gloriamarie 17:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Gloriamarie

Upcoming Album

In the DivX Interview, BT hints at a Summer 2008 release for the upcoming dancefloor-oriented album, although he also states that he hasn't finished writing it yet. 81.208.161.148

Christ, any updated info on this? 219.89.147.7 (talk) 09:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

BT Robbed

I heard somewhere that BT was robbed again (As of 2007), does anyone have any information or hearings of this? If it is true

Based on things he himself has put on his site and in his forum, he was offering $20,000 for any info related to the robbery. [1]. This ad also appeared in magazines, such as Remix and Keyboard. Insomaniac117 01:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the references to this in the article, as there was no citation to this, and the above link does not work. If someone can provide sources for that feel free to add it back in, but unsourced it shouldn't be in the article. Cndrblck (talk) 02:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

POV issues.

Most of the sources and citations in this article are from promotional sites, from that fact this person happens to use their equipment or in regard to his various PR agencies.

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P.s I have scant idea who this person is, but the article is obviously horrible and lop sided. Celebrity pages really are the bane of Wikipedia and obviously the banal resort of the weak minded. 195.92.168.164 05:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

If you do not know who the person is, it's maybe then stretching a bit to say whether the article is neutral or not. Whether the sources are neutral or from equipment sites does not really matter; the only requirement for Wikipedia is that sources be reliable and third-party. Editorials, which are completely non-neutral, are often cited for sources. This article must be neutral, but cited sources do not have to be. Finally, I restored some of what you said after another editor blanked it, but most of it was a commentary on celebrities, society, and Wikipedia editors in general that is probably best left to your own userpage and not an actual indvidual Wikipedia talk page. :) --Gloriamarie (talk) 23:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Abduction of Kaia "Kiki" Nui Transeau

I've made a few edits to improve the quality, accuracy, and sourcing of this section of the article. I'm not exactly a wikipedia veteran though, just a concerned fan of the artist, so I'd appreciate it if anyone would like to touch it up a little if necessary. -Paedansu (talk) 19:54, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

An unregistered user removed this section entirely. Any justification for why? It is confirmed fact, not a rumor as it was originally believed to be. Any feedback would be appreciated. -Paedansu (talk) 18:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

In the mean time I rewrote the content and added it to the personal life section. -Paedansu (talk) 19:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Why did somebody post that Kaia had been found? As of right now, 6:00am EST on the 16th of January, there is no indication on any of BT's web pages or in the news media that his daughter has been found. (Never mind that the entry lists January 15th -2007- as the date of the recovery's announcement.) 71.228.134.15 (talk) 11:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

All right, I didn't research well enough. Buried in the forums on BT's website: yes, apparently, she has been found. It simply hasn't filtered through to the rest of the network, then. (For what it's worth, it -hasn't- yet been announced on his MySpace page.)71.228.134.15 (talk) 11:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

News reports are starting to show up now! I'll try to assemble some details I can source and update accordingly. -Paedansu (talk) 19:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

This entire section was deleted by 38.118.36.39. Interestingly enough, this is the same person that first created an entry on the BT page for the abduction of his daughter. Resolving that IP shows that it is registered with rapiddsl.net. Rapid DSL is an internet provider in Boyds Maryland. The same area that BT is from. Coincidence? Fctchkr (talk) 17:50, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Removed previous edits, non-verifiable information, and vandalism by bellaforte, UKfansince91, and 60.254.53.224. There is no verifiable information that Ashley Duffy has a mental illness or a drug problem, don't place it in this article. There was another edit about BT dropping the charges, that is not accurate according to the ABC news article. Any edits to put this information back into the article should be accompanied with a credible source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fctchkr (talk • contribs) 18:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed the POV conflicts that were added by 38.118.36.39, the same IP noted above that has tried to entirely remove this section. Any changes or further information to support this section being slanted or inaccurate is encouraged and welcomed. I did not see any changed or additions to the original ABC news article that quoted officials involved in the matter. Fctchkr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:41, 28 July 2009 (UTC).

This keeps getting deleted, so more discussion of the topic is in order-

I copied this from the living person biography page for wikipedia- "If you are concerned about the accuracy or appropriateness of biographical material in a Wikipedia article, report problems at the biographies of living persons noticeboard. For articles about yourself, please see "Dealing with articles about yourself" below." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard This information is coming from published well known 3rd party sources. BT can be considered a well known public figure in music and production. I believe this falls outside the realm of the wikipedia policy of presumption of privacy. I've also copied over the wikipedia example.

Example

   "John Doe had a messy divorce from Jane Doe." Is it important to the article, and has it been published by third-party reliable sources? If not, leave it out, or stick to the facts: "John Doe divorced Jane Doe."

Example

   A politician is alleged to have had an affair. He denies it, but the New York Times publishes the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation may belong in the biography, citing the New York Times as the source. 

Fctchkr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:58, 29 October 2009 (UTC).

I've rewritten this portion of the article to simplify the story and remove unsourced information. Unless there is a detailed, reliable source explaining what happened during the period between Dec 23rd and January 15th I think we should not include speculation about what may have transpired. The information about BT's daughter being added to the national missing person's registry would be good to include, if a source is available, otherwise I think it's just best to get to the disposition of the matter. Hopefully this will reduce the controversy surrounding this section moving forward. If someone significantly disagrees please comment here. Cndrblck (talk) 18:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

BT new album rumors- 2009

I noticed that somebody posted some current rumors that are verifiable by the artists own twitter page, as well as the twitter pages of other popular artists of this genre. Is twitter not considered a good source?

The edit and material in question-

Revision as of 07:55, 3 March 2009 (edit) (undo)

(→Feed the Monster: BT does not want this listed yet. There is no title and no release date. He does not want heresay posted.)

BT will be releasing a special limited edition of his next album "Feed the Monster". The limited edition comes with all of the stems (remix files) for each track on the album. It also comes with his Stutter Edit and Break Tweaker software. The first single from this album is called "The Unbreakable" featuring Rob Dickenson from Catherine Wheel.

I've spent some time going through the twitter page as well as reviewing the artists own website forum at http://www.btmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4470. I checked the wikipedia policy for reliable sources, and it would appear that a twitter feed is usable as a personal blog if it is from the person the article is about-

"You wouldn't use it except as a primary source in another story. For example, there was something on CNN about how the Turkish Airlines Flight 1951 crash was reported on Twitter, so it may be appropriate to cite the blog in that situation. ( The mainstream media has gotten quite an obsession over Twitter, so it's not hard to find published articles that link "tweets" to notable incidents. ) But for a biography you almost never use a blog as a source, except if it's the blog of the person the article is about. And you've doublechecked to make sure it's really their blog. A gray area would be a biography where the blog is written by a third party but published media strongly references the blog; in that case you would ask for consensus here or on the BLP noticeboard. Squidfryerchef (talk) 01:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RSN#Twitter.com.3F

I would think that this kind of edit can be in the article and I'm going to use the BTnetwork website forum message noted above to create the new section- "Upcoming Work." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fctchkr (talk • contribs) 20:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

This statement--> BT will be releasing a special limited edition of his next album "Feed the Monster". The limited edition comes with all of the stems (remix files) for each track on the album. It also comes with his Stutter Edit and Break Tweaker software. The first single from this album is called "The Unbreakable" featuring Rob Dickenson from Catherine Wheel.<-- is not taken from BT's twitter page, but is taken instead from another website that has caused an unbelievable amount of problems claiming that "Feed the Monster" is the title of the album. I can guarantee you that that is NOT the title. My understanding of Wikipedia is that you strive to keep things factual as much as possible and avoid speculation. Twitter is not exactly factual, but leans more towards gossip, even coming from the artist himself. Until the album has gone to press and is released, none of those titles are accurate and they are hearsay. (I know personally that information has changed) So until the album is released and you can see it in press, or can be verified by an official press release, it's still a rumor. As for the Turkish Airline crash, there were photos to collaborate the event. There is no collaboration with this other than repostings by fans that are out of his control and have gone wrong. So please remove the titles and other information about the mislabeled album. As soon as there is a title and tracklisting, I will personally come and fill it all in for you. As for having a heading of "Upcoming Work" forgive me but that is silly. You have no idea what he's got upcoming or not. and just like titles, things change constantly and there is no way for you to check facts. Until something is released or there is a press release you won't know factually whether or not it is verifiably true. BT's assistant BTinfo (talk) 21:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC) .ps. I think the title of this 'talk box' says it all.. BT album rumors-2009, key word rumors

These are taken directly from BT's twitter page, directly for Wikipedia.

1.Anything I say here is subject to change, not always fact, may be pure speculation and I am a vampire. Hahahahaaa

• • drops mike, rant ended**about 15 hours ago from twitterrific

2.So for the record *legal disclaimer* these are the random musings of a musician, technologist, humanitarian.

about 15 hours ago from twitterrific

I'm not being argumentative. I'm just trying to stop all this bickering about file names and information that can, will, and might still change! It's a rumor. Please don't post it. Even the software release is still a rumor until it's 'in the can' or there is a press release. I will post it over here as soon as there is one. BTinfo (talk) 03:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)BTinfoBTinfo (talk) 03:49, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but you are somebody that works for BT, trying to control this article. I don't believe that you have the right to control the content of this article. I've already stated how the use of the information on twitter is in agreement with wikipedia bio postings. If BT doesn't want it on here, he shouldn't post it. I believe what I put before was pretty clear in that the album was not released, and names could change. People are not stupid, they can make up their own mind on what this information means. Please do not remove what I have put without more involved people from wikipedia weighing in on this. Fctchkr (talk)

Agreed. No single person has the right to control the content of this (or any other) article on Wikipedia. Also, please refer to the following, taken from Wikipedia:Reliable_sources : Never use self-published books, zines, websites, webforums, blogs and tweets as a source for material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the biographical material. In the case of BT's Twitter page and tweets, BT himself is the subject of the biographical material. B Gallagher (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The track names, guest vocals, and remixers list all appear to be unsourced. I'm adding a citation needed tag to the introductory sentence. Also, I'm not sure a Twitter feed itself is an adequate source. The individual tweets should be cited. I mean, "Washington Post" wouldn't be a proper citation without the actual article information, right? Cndrblck (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

let the Ashley part go...we all need to move on with the love we have for Kaia...

Gigi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.25.184.200 (talk) 00:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

BT vs. Transeau in article

The article currently jumps back and forth between referring to the subject as "BT" and "Transeau". In accordance with the WP:Manual of Style, we should use one throughout the article. As the title of the article is "BT", it makes most sense to use BT. I will go through and edit the article to refer to BT consistently. If anyone believes there is an argument to be made for using Transeau instead please comment here. Cndrblck (talk) 02:59, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Correct DOB?

According to IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0117741/, he was born October 4, 1970, in Washington D.C, not 1971 in Rockville, Maryland as this article suggests. Can anyone else find another source to back this up? --71.81.7.130 (talk) 20:39, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

State of article

This artcile is a disgrace, the referencing is exccedling poor, the article is full of trivia, suggest trimming back to what can be verified from reliable sources and removing all fancruft and trivia. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I've redone the introduction and the early life section to remove wordiness and unsourced/opinion information. I also removed the entire live performance section as that is all trivia and not relevant to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fctchkr (talk • contribs) 17:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

There are many cite needed tags and problems with this article that have been listed for 9-12 months. Nobody has added any sources for this information or provided any details that would allow this info to stay in the article. For this reason I am now removing the information from the article. If you have valid sources for this information, please add the information back with proper source citations. Thanks! Fctchkr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:13, 2 December 2010 (UTC).

What happened to the Dreaming page?

In the section on BT's singles and EPs, when click on "Dreaming", instead of being directed to the Dreaming (BT Song) page, you are redirected right back to the main BT page. Is there a page for the song? What happened to it? Lprlr43 (talk) 01:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

it was redirected back to the Artist site for being a song stub. If you read the wikisong project requirements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Songs you will see that most of the BT songs that have articles are not following that projects guidelines. "Most songs do not merit an article and should redirect to another relevant article, such as for a prominent album or for the artist who wrote or prominently performed the song. Songs that have been ranked on national or significant music charts, that have won significant awards or honors or that have been performed independently by several notable artists, bands or groups are probably notable. A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; permanent stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." Here is the history for the redirected site- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dreaming_%28BT_song%29&action=history Fctchkr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:38, 23 August 2010 (UTC).

Scores section incorrect

Under the Scores section, it says BT did the complete score for The Fast and the Furious. This is fiction, Brian Tyler did the score. http://www.briantyler.com/credits.html

It's not even clear if BT's song, Nocturnal Transmission, is part of the soundtrack. http://www.amazon.com/Fast-Furious-Various-Artists/dp/B00005K9QY

Quite frankly the entire list of film scores looks to be a work of exaggeration and non-truths.

-Stink Rat 98.110.167.87 (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for posting in here before editing the actual article. What is happening is that you are confusing two different movies. There is a movie called 'Fast and Furious' released in 2009 that Brian Tyler did the score for. Brian Tyler also did the score for the Toky drift movie in the FAF franchise. The original movie in this series is titled "The Fast and The Furious," released in 2001. That is the one mentioned in the article. While I would agree that a lot of people put bad information into this article, and I don't particularly care for the fansite that used to support his film scores, most of it is accurate. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0232500/fullcredits#cast Fctchkr (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC).

My mistake. Thanks for checking and explaining the point. Cheers. -Stink Rat 98.110.167.87 (talk) 01:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Discography vs Discography page

Considering there's already a separate BT discography article, it seems redundant to line list the discography in this article too? synthfiend (talk) 05:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

All Hail the Silence

At this point, is it alright to create a page for the band All Hail the Silence? Lacon432 (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

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