Talk:Car dependency

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I don't like the term Automobile in reference to the car. Given the infrastructure and the emmense oil industry needed along with the car repair industry etc it is very hard to see the car as auto. Car dependency is a better discription

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Merge Motonormativity here?

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The result of this discussion was do not merge. Einsof (talk) 11:21, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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has been templated proposing a merge to here.

• Oppose as a kind of category error. Car dependency is a socio-economic phenomenon whereas motonormativity is a cognitive bias. It might lead to car dependency at a remove, but the examples given in the moronormativity article are about skewed risk perception and feelings about liberty, which are distinct from the car dependency topic. Bon courage (talk) 03:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

  I've added the merge template but am interested in people's views. The distinction between cognitive bias and socio-economic phenomenon is an interesting one. Darrelljon (talk) 21:48, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Bon courage. They are very two different things at hand. --SHB2000 (talk) 08:49, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I was originally going to oppose this, but now I am not so sure. The historical origin of motonormativity is the propaganda campaigns by the US auto lobby in the first half of the 20th century, which was part of a larger effort on their part to create car-centric living. That's the point of Peter Norton's work in Fighting Traffic, although it predates the coinage of the word "motonormativity". If there is going to be a separate article on motonormativity, then editors need to be clear on how it will not just duplicate a large amount of material that also belongs in the car dependency article. In particular, if this article has a section called "Origins of car dependency" (which should have, among other things, a synopsis of Norton's historical analysis), then what distinct information would go in a section "Origins of motonormativity"? Einsof (talk) 11:21, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as they are different concepts. The fact that there is a risk for duplication is not a good reason to merge, rather it means that the articles should be defined and focused better. Overlapping concepts could be summarized with a link to the other article for the full content. --Ita140188 (talk) 11:39, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
• Support - merge to its own section - I see the Motonormativity article as a WP:NEOLOGISM. Car-dependency can also be seen as a CULTURAL norm (which it is, conflated with single-family housing, family values, marriage plus children being only acceptable form of family, etc.) and cultural norms generate thought patterns like expected gender roles/behaviors.---Avatar317^(talk) 22:56, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. They are not the same thing at all. Car dependency is about how people use and relate to their cars for their journeys, and the generalised consequences of that, often plain for all to see. Motonormativity is about the (subconscious) perceptions of anyone who interacts with motor vehicles (ie. all of us!), and the (often unrecognised) consequences of that. Onanoff (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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