Talk:City limits

This article does not need a parenthetical in the title!

I think GCarty was nuts to move this article here. Generally, parenthetical annotations are necessary only for disambiguation, where there are several possible meanings for a term (see WP:MOS). In this case, city limits is clearly a term used only in American municipal law. No one has contested that fact. Therefore, it has only one possible meaning, which is already noted in the first line of the article. There is no need to disambiguate from, say, city limits in Canadian or British law. If no one can provide a coherent defense of GCarty's action in a week I'm moving this back. --Coolcaesar 01:59, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I can't stand this idiocy any more. I'm moving it back now. --Coolcaesar 05:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Limited View

Lookig for City Proper, i was redirected here, only to find out that the article had a very US-centrict def on what i city proper (limits) are considered to be, the scope of the concept needs to be expanded to conider the concept outside of the United States. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the concept of city limits is unique to American municipal law. Probably the concept of a city proper should be made into a separate article to describe the concept in Commonwealth municipal law. --Coolcaesar 20:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Well i bring this up as it was concerning the def for Ireland, a group of users and myself are trying to flesh out wording and defs prior to the preliminary census figures being released in a couple of months. Basically in Ireland a city proper refers to the area of a city/town that is within it's legally define border, Ireland uses a similar system to the US system of municipality/CDP. But anyway that would be similar to what the def of city proper would be in the U.S., and i have seen it used that way. Really the city limit is only the boundary line of a municipality while the city proper is the area contained within that boundary line or city limit. Anyway if their is going to be a deference between the two defs, then city proper should not redirect here, as it is not a term exclusive to the united states. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I concur that city proper should not redirect here. I don't know who created that redirect, but feel free to get rid of it. If whomever created that redirect disagrees, they'll eventually come back and we can thrash out what exactly their problem is on the talk page. --Coolcaesar 23:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Well at one time it looks as if it was set to redirect to Metropolitan area, which would just as be incorrect, as ehile it plays a role in a Metropolitan area it really has no direct relation to, and it used outside of that cocept, plus the fact that it no where mentioned in the article at least at present. I think it would fdair to say that a proper article on city proper should be done up, but still this article suffers from a US centric view, as wehile the term might be more prevelant in the United States the concept is not. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I still don't see any issue. You can always do a new city proper article and then we can cross-link that article to this one with See also links at the bottom. That was the compromise reached for similar situations involving related but distinct concepts like Raised pavement marker and Cat's eye (road).

Never mind then, i'll just eventually do what i need to get done. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

When this article first came to my attention, it didn't even properly represent the situation in the entire U.S., let alone the entire world. I have made a change to that end. Doctor Whom 22:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

UK

"British cities are defined as any town - regardless of size - that has a cathedral because the Queen has granted a letters patent"

Actually it's a bit more complicated than that - see City status in the United Kingdom. Could somebody please upadte the article accordingly?

HairyDan 00:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, I think this section should go. "City limits" is an American term, and this article needs to reflect that. I don't see the point of an article that deals with the general concept of "city boundaries" as it is expressed in different countries. As it stands the section actually confuses a rather simple issue, which is that British cities are represented by local councils but that these councils are a lot less powerful than American ones (not having their own police etc). Despite what is implied by this section, local councils in Britain, as elsewhere, necessarily have boundaries, and it is not "difficult" to determine them. The difficulty comes by falsely applying American terminology and norms to a British situation.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I concur. --Coolcaesar (talk) 07:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Citation Needed

It is extremely difficult to gain planning permission to build on greenbelt land to expand UK cities further, therefore providing a de facto boundaries on cities in this particular country.