Talk:Kireedam (1989 film)
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editThis article really needs to be rewritten to have a NPOV. Makgraf 01:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Inspiration for the story
editI've found a extract from a boook of Lohithadas' collected movie scripts. There, he tells about how the story of Kireedam came to be written and the real life seed that influenced :
- പരിഭ്രമത്തോടെ ആശാരി നില്‍ക്കുമ്പോള്‍ ആരോ വിളിച്ചുപറയുന്നതു കേട്ടു: ”കേശവന്‍ വീണു. റൗഡി കേശവന്‍ വീണു.”ആശാരിയുടെ മനസ്സിലൊരു കൊള്ളിയാന്‍ മിന്നി. കേശവനെയാണ് താനടിച്ചു വീഴ്ത്തിയിരിക്കുന്നത്. വെള്ളിക്കുളങ്ങരയില്‍ ഒരാളെ വെട്ടിക്കൊന്ന കേശവന്‍. പോലീസുകാരനെ തല്ലിയ കേശവന്‍ . ആളുകള്‍ ഓടിക്കൂടി കേശവന്റെ മുഖത്തു വെള്ളം തളിച്ച് ഉണര്‍ത്തുമ്പോഴേക്കും ആശാരി അപ്രത്യക്ഷനായിരുന്നു. പിറ്റേന്നു വെളുക്കുമ്പോള്‍ ആശാരിയുടെ വാടകവീടിന്റെ വാതിലുകള്‍ തുറന്നു കിടന്നിരുന്നു. വിളമ്പാത്ത അത്താഴം ചാവാലിപ്പട്ടികള്‍ തിന്നുന്നുണ്ടായിരുന്നു. കൈയില്‍ കിട്ടിയതുമായി ആശാരിയും കുടുംബവും രായ്ക്കുരാമാനം പലായനം ചെയ്തിരുന്നു.
- ആശാരിയുടെ കഥ എന്റെ മനസ്സില്‍ വിത്തായി വീണു. ഇയാള്‍ക്ക് ഒളിച്ചോടാന്‍ കഴിയാത്ത ചുറ്റുപാടുകളായിരുന്നെങ്കില്‍ എന്നോര്‍ത്തുനോക്കൂ… എന്തെല്ലാം ദുരന്തങ്ങള്‍ ആ പാവം അനുഭവിക്കേണ്ടിവരുമായിരുന്നു. ഇതാണ് സേതുമാധവന്റെ കഥയുടെ വിത്ത്. അടിച്ചയാളെ അടിച്ചുവീഴ്ത്തുമ്പോള്‍ സേതുവിനറിയില്ല, ജീവിതം മുഴുവന്‍ നിഴല്‍വീഴ്ത്തുന്ന ദുരന്തങ്ങളുടെ നിമിത്തമായ കീരിക്കാടന്‍ ജോസാണ് അതെന്ന്. കീരിക്കാടന്‍ ജോസിനെ അടിച്ചുവീഴ്ത്തിയപ്പോള്‍ സമൂഹം അയാളുടെ തലയില്‍ ഒരു കിരീടം വച്ചുകൊടുത്തു. തട്ടിമാറ്റിയിട്ടും അകന്നുപോകാത്ത ഒരു മുള്‍ക്കിരീടം. അതുമായി സേതുമാധവനും ചെറുത്തുനില്‍ക്കേണ്ടിവന്നു. ഒടുവില്‍ എല്ലാവരുടെ സ്വപ്നങ്ങളും തകര്‍ത്ത് ആയുസ്സ് മാത്രം നേടിക്കൊണ്ട് അയാള്‍ ഒരു കൊലയാളിയായിത്തീരുന്നു. [കിരീടവും ചെങ്കോലും നഷ്ടപ്പെട്ട രാജകുമാരന്റെ കഥ, June 29, 2013, [DC Books Blog]
Maybe someone could meld it into the existing sections or create a new one. ——SA (talk) 05:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move
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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:54, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
Kireedam (1989 film) → Kireedam — This article is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as Kireedam (2007 film) is merely a remake of this film. Disambiguation page is unnecessary per WP:TWODABS as there are only two topics (the third one is a different title though it is included in the disambiguation page), so a hatnote is sufficient. --Arfaz (talk) 21:31, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. Just because one film is a remake of another doesn't make the original clearly the primary topic - if anything, the argument could be made that since the remake is more recent, THAT is the page that will be more sought after. Leave it be. --fuzzy510 (talk) 08:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: The key criteria of the guidelines is that the primary topic is the topic that readers are most likely looking for. Both articles' traffic statistics are the same. The guidelines indicate an exception with recentism and educational value, but from what I can tell, these criteria are paired. (For example, the popularity of Avatar (2009 film) led to Avatar being moved to Avatar (Hinduism), but the move was reverted using the exception of recentism and educational value.) Brief research shows that the 1989 film is not educationally valuable, so I don't believe the guidelines say that the original typical film is primary topic over its typical remake. For similar situations, see how The Crazies and Death at a Funeral are two-item disambiguation pages. A pairing where the guidelines can apply is The Day the Earth Stood Still, where the 1951 film is set to become the primary topic as an educationally valuable film, where the remake does not have that value. I'm inclined to oppose but would like to hear a response. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
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Requested move 14 March 2018
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:07, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Kireedam (1989 film) → Kireedam – Original film; the 2007 film of the same name is a remake. WP:PRIMARYFILM, see the example of Miracle on 34th Street. Also, a search on Google and GNews shows massive results on the original Malayalam film starring Mohanlal. There's hardly any results on the Tamil remake. Hatnote should be used instead of dab. --Let There Be Sunshine 06:31, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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Requested move 10 July 2019
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Clear consensus that the 1989 film is not the primary topic. (non-admin closure) В²C ☎ 20:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Kireedam (1989 film) → Kireedam – Per WP:ONEOTHER. It's WP:PRIMARYFILM. The 2007 film is a remake. 2405:204:D205:A679:700B:20A3:7364:959D (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. DannyS712 (talk) 00:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
- Having a remake is not evidence that the earlier version is the primary topic. It was pointed out in the previous request, but this film does not get more page views than the other one. 125.9.31.50 (talk) 11:15, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Neither articles look like the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the dab helps to spot incorrect incoming links. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 15:19, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per above, it's not clear that either film is the primary topic. PC78 (talk) 17:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- Support Page views is only one way of determining the primary topic. The 1989 film is primary per 1) GSearch and GNews 2) Has multiple independent reliable sources in abundance compared to the remake 3) Has long-term significance as it is regarded a classic and so the more expected film in a search 4) Has cultural significance and for every other reason mentioned at the Legacy section. 137.97.156.154 (talk) 11:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Being a non-remake does not make a film primary topic. —Lowellian (reply) 21:28, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
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