Talk:Nadir's Big Chance

Punk

I've removed the reference to the album being cited as an influence by punks such as Lydon. We hear this all the time, but it won't do here without a citation. I doubt that even Lydon has ever referred specifically to this album. He's mentioned his --feline1 09:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)liking for Hammill in interviews, sure, but I think he was referring to a certain attitude rather than specifically to the music. What's more remarkable to me is Hammill's own pioneering use of the word 'punk' on the sleevenotes, and I've added a line on this. --Richardrj ^{talk email} 13:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

actually he did specifically refer to it - I believe it was on a Captial Radio broadcast (where Lydon may even have been picking his favourite tunes and played a Hammill track?), and I believe this is cited in print in Jon Savage's "England's Dreaming" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Englands-Dreaming-Jon-Savage/dp/0571227201/sr=8-1/qid=1159280263/ref=sr_1_1/202-3804803-8167844?ie=UTF8&s=books

As for using "punk" - have you read Lester Bangs' "The Screwtape Letters" (in the "Psycotic Reactions and Carburettor Dung" anthology) which attempts to trace the etmyology/priority of usage for the term?

--feline1 14:19, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I have a copy of the Savage book at home so will check that tonight. And no, I haven't read the Bangs - and to be honest I'll stick with the OED for an authoritative etymology of the word! --Richardrj ^{talk email} 14:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

No, no mention of Hammill at all in the Savage book. Not disputing that Lydon is/was a PH fan, but we need a source before it can go in the article. --Richardrj ^{talk email} 07:24, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I know I read it *somewhere* though - wonder where it was. Perhaps Lydon's autobiography (which I haven't read) would be the best place to check, though.

Found it - it was actually the Simon Reynolds book on post-punk (which I must get around to reading). I've added a reference here and in PH's article. --Richardrj ^{talk email} 13:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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