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I didn't know you were interested in military history lol. Shiningroad (talk) 22:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Nothing sends me to sleep better than Lawrence Olivier talking about German forces launching Operation Barbarossa, over grainy black and white footage of men riding on the back of trucks or operating artillery.--Battleofalma (talk) 09:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Russian criminal tattoos

Hi,

I have seen your article on Russian underworld tattoos. If you are a non-native Russian speaker (and I guess you are one), this is a very good attempt. I would say surprisingly very good. Still, as a native Russian who have read about and seen "the material" alive many times, I see some inconsistencies and minor mistakes, so I will try to correct them. BTW, the Russian criminal tattoo motifs are oftentimes intervowen with those of sailors and soldiers. Also, the Soviet gangster culture heavily borrowed from Germans, Jews, Georgians, Armenians, Romanis, Asians, etc.

Best regards, Lamro (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I tried my best (I'm not a Russian speaker at all), but if you can help at all with the Cyrillic translations of certain words that would be great. The research was mostly taken from four books which are compilations from these writers Danzig Baldaev (a former prison guard) and some other criminologists and ethnographers.

Some of the sources and accounts are slightly contradictory, and the meanings changed over time. I tried to keep the article historic, as the "golden era" of these tattoos seems to be late 1930s to the 1960s. After that the Vory v Zakone structure breaks down and the tattoos have less meaning and consistency.

If you have any other good sources for this please let me know, but I assume a lot of them are in Russian.Battleofalma (talk) 09:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the Baldayev's book is considered to be a fundamental reference book and a prime source on this theme. Many other sources copy his research and borrow drawings from his book. I don't know whether the book is available in English, but if you use it as a source, that is, I guess, the best option available. Baldayev was a high-profile officer (a one-star general as far as I remember -- and that was quite a rank) whithin the Soviet penetentiary and law-enforcement system, so his research is comprehensive and is based on his real-life experience and passion. I guess his research was classified for years and was used to train junior police officers. It was initially published in the early 1990s as I remember. I will check the Russian spellings and add some other inputs, as I like the article.

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Hi @Diannaa, thanks, have rewritten again. Would argue that it's sufficiently different from original source material now.Battleofalma (talk) 14:26, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. I've done some further re-writing. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 16:44, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks, my mistake. Battleofalma (talk) 11:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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Move vs copy-paste

There's a small problem with copy-pasting a draft article from user space into article space, as you did with User:Delphine Dallison/Tep Vanny and Tep Vanny. The text copy doesn't carry over the edit history from the draft, so it breaches our requirements for attribution. There's more detail at WP:CUTPASTE. I've commented at WP:ANI #Sort of copy-and-paste move and suggested deleting the article and letting Delphine move the draft when she's ready. That would lose your last couple of edits to the article you pasted, but you could easily re-do them in Delphine's draft. It's possible that an admin will simply do a history merge, and maybe that will be ok, but it's always best to let article creators move their own work into mainspace – it's a rewarding part of the experience! Cheers --RexxS (talk) 20:06, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, forgot about the attribution. Thanks. Battleofalma (talk) 20:49, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi! I also wanted to let you know that I can be pinged if you have any editors participating in the editathon that are having trouble referencing their articles. I have access to a lot of databases behind paywalls and I'm happy to help. I'm also happy to do copyedit and cleanup. Just make sure people post on my talk page or ping me so I know to take a look. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, we managed to create one good article between the 4 of us, Natasha Gordon. Battleofalma (talk) 11:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Creating articles with no content/references when there are drafts written by others

Hey. I've noticed that a lot of the articles you created were created with no content or references (e.g. Polly Neate vs Draft:Polly Neate, Nan Ino Cooper vs Draft:Nan ino cooper), when others had already created substantial drafts for the same subject. If you spot a draft that is ready for the mainspace, you can just move it to the main space rather than creating blank articles and waiting for the contents from the draft to be copied over. Bennv3771 (talk) 05:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Copy-and-pasting other editors' drafts to create your own articles like Feminist Internet (collective) vs Draft:The Feminist Internet (collective) is a serious copyright violation. In the future, please either write the article on your own or move other editors' drafts to the mainspace instead of re-creating it. Bennv3771 (talk) 05:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I assume you came across this because you were blanking my Sabrina (graphic novel) article and redirecting to your version instead of just building up the existing article with copy from your draft, which I feel somewhat blunts your point about respecting other users' contributions and their right to be credited. But back to your original point, thanks, I understand that and its been discussed. These copy/paste jobs were done with consent at events due to new editors being unable to create new pages. Unfortunately the restriction of permissions for new editors means they cannot create without assistance. Battleofalma (talk) 10:45, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I turned Sabrina (graphic novel) into a redirect rather than requesting a histmerge as I did for the other articles as the "comics" disambiguator should be used anyway (WP:NCCDAB) and there was nothing new in Sabrina (graphic novel) to merge that didn't already exist in the draft. If you'll like to request a histmerge, go ahead. It's good to know the copy and pastes were done with permissions from the authors, but wouldn't it be more appropriate and inline with policy to just move the articles to the mainspace for them? Bennv3771 (talk) 10:50, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

It included two categories not included in the current page as well as information about a publisher, so regardless of how small, it did have content that wasn't in your draft. Not sure it needed a new title. Largely because Sabrina is a standalone graphic novel and not a collected set of comics so the title is somewhat misleading and implies that it is a series. Also (WP:NCCDAB) doesn't actually mandate "(comics)" over "(graphic novel)". Battleofalma (talk) 11:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

NCCDAB doesn't mandate it but it does recommend it. Neither of the categories apply since the diffusing subcategory of the "Graphic novels" category was already included and the draft was not a stub. Still, I'll request a histmerge. Bennv3771 (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Um no need to thank me... lol I know I probably made your day less pleasant. Still, I hope there's no hard feelings. The histmerge has been requested. Bennv3771 (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Ha, no it's fine. It's just a bit frustrating to see (even a small amount) of work you've done supplanted by someone else's first thing in the morning. Though I appreciate we're working with the same goal and the article you've written is very good. Battleofalma (talk) 11:24, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

The histmerge was declined due to overlapping edits. I have however nominated Sabrina for DYK and would be happy to add you as a co-nominator if you so wish. Bennv3771 (talk) 11:36, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good. Happy with that. Battleofalma (talk) 16:07, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, which policies? I understand that this account is de facto single user. But it's ok, there's a better solution I think. Battleofalma (talk) 09:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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replyto:Mattythewhite, restored with wikilink to article. No need for citation as self-evident. Battleofalma (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Highland clearances reversion

I reverted your edit[1] on Highland clearances. The concept that some of those evicted were squatters is not widely understood by some readers and therefore, to make Wikipedia a better encyclopedia, needs a brief reinforcing note of explanation. This concept is well supported by the references to the article. Please discuss on the article talk page if you disagree.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 11:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

@ThoughtIdRetired: Thanks for notifiying me. The issue is that this note does not represent a Neutral Point of View: Noting that some Highlanders had "no right to be there in the first place" assumes a position on the side of the lawmakers and landowners and that of private property rights over common property rights. This somewhat misses the point of the whole article.

It would be more accurate to at least amend to "no legal rights" so I may proceed as such. Battleofalma (talk) 12:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

You differentiate between "legal right" and "common property rights". By the latter, I presume you are referring to the principle of dùthchas. This clan duty/obligation is commonly superficially treated. However, it is clear that the right of clan members to occupy clan lands is more limited than most believe - it was a right to some land somewhere in the clan lands, but not a specific piece of land. Furthermore, some squatters were not clan members and some were those who had been evicted from elsewhere, by the same landlord or by other landlords. I fail to understand how any explanatory note of what constitutes a "squatter" is (a) contrary to the facts or (b) not of assistance to the user of this encyclopedia. I appreciate that for many, there is a presumption that the highland landlord should be viewed as an evil tyrant and it is wrong to do anything that hints at seeing things from their point of view. However, that is the language of the books sold in quantities to American tourists in Highland gift shops. The academic studies are much more balanced (and constitute the majority of the references on this article). It is this academic balance that this article strives to maintain. Deletion of this explanatory note would suggest an ambition to move away from the point of balance found in academic work.

It would very much complicate matters to substitute "legal right" for "right" as that would confuse the issue with the significant proportion of tenants who had no legal lease of their holding, yet were rent-paying tenants of the estate. Many of these tenants refused leases as they felt this removed their rights under dùthchas - of course, we can see now that they were misguided in this as the landlords had abandoned that principle before the tenants fully understood that it had gone. Nevertheless, they were recognised as tenants by the landlords.

I am very aware that I have cited no particular references to support what I say here. That is because this is a distillation of the entire reference base of the article.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:21, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

"I appreciate that for many, there is a presumption that the highland landlord should be viewed as an evil tyrant and it is wrong to do anything that hints at seeing things from their point of view. However, that is the language of the books sold in quantities to American tourists in Highland gift shops" - Really no need for this.

To clarify, on which basis did squatters not have the right to be on the land? The purpose of the sentence "not everyone who was evicted was a rent-paying tenant. Some had no right to be there in the first place." is not to explain what constitutes a squatter because it does not do that, but to explain that not all evictees were tenants. Once this has been explained ("not everyone who was evicted was a rent-paying tenant") any commentary on their "right to be there in the first place" is extraneous and hardly represents a "point of balance found in academic work". Battleofalma (talk) 12:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

The form of words used is actually very close to something that is in a work written by a historian working in this field. (I often find that a defect of my editing is copying text from sources too closely and then having to revise to avoid plagiarisation.) In looking for explanation of the term "squatter", the problem is that Squatter is written with current events in mind and - with not everyone having an understanding of the term - some clarification may be needed. There are, of course, instances of people who may have permission to occupy land without paying rent - for instance in lieu of pension. I think, also, that any in depth study of the relationship between tenant and landlord in the Highlands shows that some tenants were not at all averse to taking advantage of their remoteness from any control of their activities. Whist we might all be aware of the lovely quote: "I am ashamed to confess it now that I trembled more before the factor than I did before the Lord of Lords". - there were residents of the Highlands who definitely broke the rules. Consider the number who were caught poaching or running unlicensed whisky stills (1,000 illegal stills confiscated in 1782). In achieving a balance, it is important not to fall into the trap of presuming that the Highlander was some innocent victim of everything that happened. Some (obviously not the majority) were taking advantage at times. That is what "had no right to be there" is intended to convey. It is a serious attempt to retain balance.

I acknowledge that my remark about the huge quantity of poor quality books on the Highland clearances may have been unnecessary in making my point to you. However, if you wish to see serious academics make exactly the same sort of remark, see the introduction written by Tom Devine to his The Scottish Clearances: A History of the Dispossessed, 1600-1900 - he really lays into the misunderstandings of Americans obsessed with a supposed Highland ancestry (pg 11 ridicules a Texan lady who was very upset to discover that her Scottish ancestors came from the Lowlands - somewhat unfair, I thought). And, there is a lot more from Devine in this theme. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:12, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I think you're mistaking criticism of the neutrality of wording on Wikipedia for being a purveyor of "electronic graffiti” posted on the web by a “worldwide network of Highland sympathisers” perhaps. I think we're in furious agreement over some things in that I do not think the clearances were a genocide, but I think you're taking Devine's and Richards' theses on the clearances as the only views worth hearing. I'm sure someone like John Prebble's work is anathema to you but it is on the current reading lists on the subject of at least one Scottish university and as such represents a significant point of view. Also as to "I am very aware that I have cited no particular references to support what I say here. That is because this is a distillation of the entire reference base of the article", beware of the editorialising nature of synthesis. Battleofalma (talk) 16:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I note your comments. If you criticise (perhaps rightly) the reliance I place on Richards and Devine's work - who else do you propose as reliable sources from the various academics who have written on the subject? I have done my best to access others (Robert Dodgshon is a useful example), but the problem is that Richards and Devine have done a lot of the basic research on the subject and Devine is a prolific writer. James Hunter is a counterbalance - if only from an emotional point of view. Unfortunately he has a track record of putting forward theses that are demolished by others. A good example of this is the way he picked evidence of badly behaving landlords during the Highland potato famine and extrapolated that into all the landlords acting in this way (put forward in The Making of the Crofting Community). Then Devine published his detailed study of the Highland potato famine (The Great Highland Famine, etc. ) in which he gave detailed and irrefutable evidence of the incorrectness of Hunter's account, using a virtually complete selection of sources. Hunter goes so far as to acknowledge this in preface of the second edition of The Making of the Crofting Community - and I note that this preface is brought to the attention of students in the reading list that you cite (though for different reasons). There is further reason to question some of Hunter's work as he is now being challenged on his views about the origins of the Crofter's war - see The Invention of the Crofting Community: Scottish History’s Elision of Indigenous Identity, Ideology and Agency in Accounts of Land Struggle in the Modern Gàidhealtachd The Scottish Historical Review, Volume XCVIII,1: No. 246: April 2019, 71–102 DOI: 10.3366/shr.2019.0380. To list other notable writers of whom one needs to be cautious, something like Bumsted's The People's Clearance comes to mind, (a work which was somewhat adversely reviewed by Eric Richards in SHR).

You mention Prebble being in the reading list of a university course. If you read the course summary, you will see why. There are other works in the same list that are probably there for the student to criticise, rather than empathise with. If you read a lot of Richards' work (especially after he had been in various teaching posts for a while), he sometimes has a somewhat difficult style in which he mixes ideas he does not support with his own - so one needs to pay attention to pull out the arguments he is making. It is all about teaching students to be historians rather than teaching them history. Looking at WP:RS and WP:HISTRS I think one would be entitled to suggest that Prebble is not a reliable source due to (1) not being written by an academic historian and (2) being substantially out of date, with the vast preponderance of writing on the subject postdating its publication. (Of course there are shades of grey in the matter of source selection.) Without doubt, Prebble is important, but he is still not a reliable source. That is why this work appears in the Further Reading section of the article. (Yes, the Further Reading section does not follow the style guide rules for this, but it seemed appropriate for that rule to be broken in this case - to give the reader a balanced reading list - it has some similarities to the university reading list you cite.)

Looking to other, less well-known academics, once could conclude that many regard the clearances as a largely completed task - so we find, for instance, Annie Tindley writing about the post-clearance period (as does Ewan Cameron in his Recovering from the Clearances) - but such historians appear to me (and, of course, I may be wrong) to accept the Richards/Devine view as the consensus when they embark on their various projects.

I note your remark about synthesis. It is a continual problem with Wikipedia that if an editor immerses themselves in a subject, they are in the strong position of being able to summarise, but the weak position of then struggling to pull together all the references that support that viewpoint. I am the first to challenge another editor for a reference - hence what was intended as a somewhat confessional apology for the lack of sources.

Sorry to ramble on at such length. Yes it may well be that "legal right" would be a better form of words - I have possibly spent too much time arguing with editors who have have more cultural anger than historical understanding on this subject. You must excuse a slight hint of burn-out. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 22:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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Hi there, I have moved your recent creation on Wales Women international rugby union players to draft space as they all currently fail WP:GNG at the moment and need more sourcing to show they pass GNG. They all fail WP:NRU as Wales Women haven't played in a World Cup semi-final since 1994 and only players that have played at that level or above are deemed notable under the guidelines. Many thanks. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 12:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Rugbyfan22, I read "A women's national team" in the institutional sense. i.e Wales as a nation have competed at a high level regardless of current performance so being in the Wales squad for a major international competition would confer notability. The criteria feel very narrow by comparison with the men's game.

Are we limiting women's rugby notability to those that actually played in a semi-final and later games, or were in the squad for the competition but may not have played in the last two/three games? Battleofalma (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

In terms of women's notability theres an expanded section here. To pass NRU a women's international would have had to played in the semi-finals or the final of a World Cup (or in an Olympic or Commonwealth Games Sevens tournament), so not just being in the squad. Obviously if they can be shown to pass GNG then they're also notable, and some of them may well do. A number of current England Women's players recently created passed as they had enough sourcing to pass GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

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Hi @Serial Number 54129. Thanks. Less of a war, more of a conflict. I raised the issue on the talk page previous to my edits though only barely as it occurred to me it was seemed well within Wikipedias norms not to have information about one thing in an article about another thing. I have engaged with other editors about this since, but no one is responding with any reference to guidelines. I look forward to someone presenting me with a good answer! Battleofalma (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Cheers! No hard feelings, just an FYI. FWIW, I'm coming round to your point of view. While Rodney King might not be a good article in itself, structurally, that section works. It would certainly be more useful if the Harehills b/ground section discussed community relations with police and/or social workers.

In other news, it used to be joked that if you lived on Mentmore terrace, that meant you probably lived under the railway arches :) ——Serial Number 54129 12:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes I'm not sure about the Rodney King article itself but the 1992 Los Angeles Riots article lists a few inciting/contributing incidents as background, also the racial tensions between communities and racial profiling by the LAPD is so exhaustively documented now 30 years later that it naturally fits in to the article.

Similarly the 2011 England Riots references the killing of Mark Duggan as background. There are elements of racial demographic discussions in said article but these are retrospective analyses from things at least approaching reliable sources.

Currently there isn't (and probably won't be) a good source on relevant background to the incident with, as you say, community relations with police/social workers. Also slightly off topic, I think there's some confusion in the article about "Roma" vs "Romanians" vs "Roma with Romanian citizenship".

Sadly I couldn't afford to live under the arches anymore, I was gentrified outwards to less luxurious accommodation! Battleofalma (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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