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NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello Nick Moyes,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

News

• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Discussions of interest

• A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
• There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
• What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Mont Blanc / Goûter Route 2019 Permit system

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go%C3%BBter_Route#2019_Permit_system_experiment Can you please have a look at my contribution here? Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by GentleDjinn (talk • contribs) 15:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@GentleDjinn: Even without stopping to look at it in detail I can tell you immediately that what you've added is not acceptable for our encyclopaedia. It might be OK for a website promoting the Gouter Hut and associated dangers and updating access restrictions, but not here. It trays well into WP:TLDR territory. You should really cut that section down to around three or four sentences and get rid of the totally inappropriate red warning text, which goes against WP:MOS. If you used a photo of a warning notice, that'd be OK, but not in the way you've done it, I'm afraid. In addition, you've used far too many references to support each tiny point. Two or three at most are needed, and please use the Cite template tool in the editor to add full details of each reference. Please see Wikipedia:Bare URLs for the problem and WP:REFBEGIN for how to resolve it. I'm sure you can appreciate that including 'access date' would itself be very helpful for topical and potentially changing information. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:11, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

I will not consider it an insult if any able person succeeds in condensing it, but I was not aware of the existence of a Cite template tool.GentleDjinn (talk) 16:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@GentleDjinn: Sounds like you've done what happened to me. I had been manually adding references for about 6 months or so after I started editing here before I realise that each editing tool has a 'Cite' button in its menu bar. Click that and in Source Editor you have a drop-down box into which you can select a template (website, news, book, journal) then add relevant fields like article title, url, publication, author, date, access date etc and even a 'refname' for re-using the reference without retyping it all a second time. In WP:VE you can paste in a url and it will automatically attempt to extract the reference for you. You still need to edit it a bit as it often gets some fields wrong, but it's a great time saver. The only weakness is that you can't define your own refname. Give them a go and see how it improves the quality of your contributions! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:43, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Aha, interesting, also to polish up the sources mentioned in quite a lot of previous contributions. I will give it at try in due time. Thanks! GentleDjinn (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry nick, i pressed the wrong button, complete accident - JJBullet (Talk) 10:36, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@JJBullet: No worries. If you ever want to test out leaving messages, including warnings for users, you may do so on this talk page, but it would probably help to post a message to forewarn me. You did the right thing by removing the notice and explaining that it was a mistake. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:56, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks nick - JJBullet (Talk) 11:00, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, sorry for the Teahouse host sign-up, just to remind you, you said i could be a Host as long as i only answer questions that i know :) - JJBullet (Talk) 10:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@JJBullet: No worries. I love that you're keen - but I would like to see you actually editing content in this encyclopaedia, rather than 'hat collecting'. Since I made that comment that I was less bothered about you pretending to be qualified as a TH Host than I was about you pretending to be competent to adopt other editors under WP:AAU, we've come to realise how many people have formally signed up to be a Teahouse Host who are no longer active or simply haven't yet got the basic experience and familiarity we need to give confidence to new editors. So we're undertaking a bit of a 'spring clean'. It's nothing personal. Not being signed up as a TH Host doesn't preclude anyone monitoring questions and answering those they're able to. In fact, lurking at the TH is the second best way to learn more about editing. The best way is actually to contribute to improving articles. Do you need any support or ideas in that regard? Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, thanks nick, yes i still need help in improving articles as im not quite sure what to do still - JJBullet (Talk) 14:00, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK. So can you tell me what type of things do you like to focus on? Is there a subject area that interests you? Or are you fussy about correct spelling and grammar? Do you want to help keep Wikipedia free of vandalism, and want to keep watch on recent changes? Do you fancy digging out references to strengthen articles which have templates highlighting that citations are needed? Tell me what you'd like to focus your time here on, and I'll try and help you further. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, i want to help keep wikipedia free of vandilism & keep watch on recent changes :) - JJBullet (Talk) 09:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

vandalism* - JJBullet (Talk) 09:49, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-21

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The report for phase 1 of the talk pages consultation 2019 has been published. Communities are invited to start phase 2 of the consultation on their wikis.

Problems

• File descriptions for files from Commons were not shown properly on other Wikimedia wikis for a few days. For example the image descriptions and license information were missing. This has now been fixed. [1][2]
• Some diffs show an error message when you try to see them. The developers are working on fixing it. It could be because of some edit comments. [3][4]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 22 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The content translation tool on Wikipedia can use machine translations. There is a system to stop translations where the editors do not fix machine translation mistakes. This warns or stops them if they seem to just copy what the machine translation gives them. If this system is too strict or not strict enough you can tell the language team. [5]
• The Wikidata wbeditentity API endpoint will remove all aliases if the request includes an empty alias. This is how it supposed to work. It has not been working this way because of a bug. This will start on 12 June. [6]

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13:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

GCSE

Hey nick just catching up, i had my first maths GCSE today, how have you been? - JJBullet (Talk) 09:21, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Hope it went well, JJBullet

- my daughter also had her GCSE maths this morning and had geography this afternoon. It not an easy time for people of your age, is it? I'm busy doing major house renovation work right now. I will reply with some advice for you on helping to monitor recent changes and to correct any bad edits. But it may a few days until I can find some 'quality time' to sit down at a proper keyboard rather than this tiny iPhone screen. But I guess you need to be revising, not playing here, so I hope that's OK. Good luck with the rest of them. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:55, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Please don't rush to correct somebody's typos. I accidentally saved it in error. Rushing to tell me I had not signed it just created an edit conflict just causes delays in giving you the full response. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:58, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry nick, - JJBullet (Talk) 13:48, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Guestbook

Hi, Just wondering if you wanted to sign my Guestbook, which is located on my User Page

many thanks,

- JJBullet (Talk) 13:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Displaying personal email

Hi all, i have noticed that a certain user has given out their personal email on his/hers User Page, i wanted to ask you if this is allowed before i hand out a warning.... many thnaks - JJBullet (Talk) 10:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

@JJBullet: Don't hand out a warning, but do handout advice - especially if a new user or clearly an underage one. See this advice]. If the user recognises they'd made a mistake, and wanted it permanently deleting this would need a WP:REVDEL request. But you're a fine one to talk, giving out your real name, birthdate and other location information I have already advised you about. Please tell me you aren't bulk messaging other editors with your questions!!! Saying 'Dear all' sounds very suspicious. If you have, promise me you will never be daft enough ever to do so again. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:15, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, ok sorry - JJBullet 13:19, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, im just trying to do good - JJBullet 13:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

@JJBullet: I very rarely feel the need to swear online, but goddamit you are trying my patience, my lad! I've just checked your contributions and YES, you have bulk messaged editors/admins with the question and YES you are once again requesting permissions for which you are clearly not experienced enough to need or use. (Please delete those new requests) Despite faffing around with over 700+ edits to userpages, you have made just 21 mainspace edits. As I warned you a month ago, you are in danger of becoming a timesink if you can't listen to the advice we have given you. Whatever mass messaging tool youve installed, please remove it as you dont need it. Show me 50 or 100 good mainspace edits and no more faffing around with your userpage, making blank pages for other non-existent editors, seeking permissions, and bugging multiple editors, and I might be more willing to guide you. That is the way to 'do good' here. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:38, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, the mass messaging tool is installed because my school has blocked using the talk setting on wikipedia, so i had to find a way around it otherwise i might as well just leave, i cant even edit my own UserPage so yeah whats the point. JJBullet 13:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I understand the frustration however, taking a quick glance at JJ's userpage shows that he's got Asperger's which sheds some light on his interactions and editing level. Professionally I work with individuals like JJ and I'd be willing to assist you (or him) if needed, providing that his edits don't land him in time out soon. Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 18:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Dusti. I was aware of JJBullet's issues and, as you may have seen from the history of his talk page which he keeps archiving, I have genuinely been trying my best to keep him on track and not see him blocked. But I have little, well, absolutely no experience whatsoever (!), in handling a young lad like him, or understanding his needs. So I would indeed welcome your involvement and any guidance you care to give me so that, in turn, we can both better support him. I was initially disappointed to see just now when I returned to Wikipedia that he had been blocked, but I am actually very impressed with him for taking the unilateral decision to request a self-block for a week from xaosflux. Very impressed, indeed, actually. As he's right in the middle of his GCSE exams, I think that was a very sensible and very mature decision. As you'll have seen above, I did get a bit frustrated with him this afternoon (sorry, JJB), and I hope he's OK. I do still owe him a detailed reply on how he can make a positive contribution by monitoring recent changes and checking for vandalism, and I'd like to think when he returns after his exams that we can still guide him in supporting the encyclopaedia by focusing on simple and sensible mainspace edits until he gets the hang of how things work here. (Should you ever wish to offer me any personal advice via email, feel free to contact me by that route.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:58, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Note to JJBullet: Thanks ever so much for contacting me privately (forgive me for not replying the same way, as I prefer not to give out my personal email too widely). I appreciate the observations you made to me, and am sorry you've suffered as a result of one of them. Like I said to you before, we are all equals here, and are (or at least should be) judged solely by the quality of our contributions, not by anything else. I don't actually agree with you that you have a 'short fuse' - in fact I think quite the opposite. You've coped very professionally with people like me trying their best to (albeit sometimes very sternly) tell you how to do things the right way here. You have apologised politely each time you've had this pointed out to you. So I am impressed with that - it can't be easy for anyone. In fact, you saw that it was me who had had enough and 'blew their fuse' with you the other day. That makes you better at handling things than me, eh? Anyway, what I would really like to see when you return is some sort of undertaking of what you will and what you won't do. You're clearly very bright, so maybe he mundane things we do of keeping the encyclopaedia going might seem a little boring without all those extra permissions and fancy scripts. But lets try shall we? When I return from half term, I'll try and put together a few ideas for you to focus on. Cheers for now - and well done for seeing that an enforced break is a really good idea right now. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:28, 24 May 2019 (UTC)  

Pls help Nick Moyes

Thanks alot for your sincere response to my draft. Please can you help me identify those non free sources you talked about in Teahouse so I can correct and replace them adequately. Thanks alot. Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 18:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Replied here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Greetings

Hello Nick,
I used to be Mstrojny and now I am Interstellarity. I noticed we haven't talked much and wanted to ask how things are doing? Interstellarity (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Interstellarity. Yes, I was aware you changed your username a while back, but didn't want to say anything publicly lest it was not something you wanted to overtly publicise. You asked at WP:TH about how you were doing. Without spending a long time going back through your edits, my impression of seeing you around is that you've been making a great contribution since January following your unblocking. That pleases me greatly as it shows that any young/old or immature vandal can, in time, return as earnest contributors (and I don't mean that in a patronising way). I do sense you are, perhaps, a little too quick sometimes to make up for your past bad actions, by assuming vandalism where it hasn't occurred. For example, I thought it was fair that this uncited edit in January, was recently undone by another IP as there was nothing to support it - see their edit. It would have helped had they added an edit summary, but you should have considered whether, as a BLP, that was fair. Either way, I probably wouldn't have reverted it and left a warning template for unexplained content removal, so I wasn't too surprised by their sharp reaction to you in their reversion. For you to think that was uncivil and something to be concerned about was itself surprising, though I think you got the advice from Huon that you sought. It's great to see you're willing and able to learn as you go along. We all make mistakes, and being able to see them and not repeat them is a great ability to have. Just keep that up, and don't be too quick to rollback or assume bad faith, and you'll be absolutely fine. Keep up the good work! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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😚😚love and care

Hey Moiidthg (talk) 14:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

About the Page protection on Petr Čech

This is a long message but is worth reading. Some days ago the respective article was protected by RegentsPark due to an ongoing mild edit war. But i think that the protection on this page is not needed anymore with due respect to Regents' decision. It was put up because an edit war started regarding the addition of a statement which was already cited but the other admins failed to notice that because of work burden and were continuously reverting it but ofcourse the dispute ended after i added several more citations to support it. Protection on a page shall only be applied when an ONGOING dispute is the cause of frequent edit wars and more edit wars can occur in future because of the dispute. But if the dispute is already over and none of the involved parties are doing anything again, then why is the protection needed at all. Similarly in this case, it occurred just because of misunderstandings and wasn't intentional at all, so i think the edit warring will never occur again. Hence, protection shall be removed rather than keeping it intact until august which will cause hinderance in the improvement because people like me who dont have an account here and have very good knowledge about this subject can not edit. An example is on the talk page of the respective article, i proposed an edit request there and it is lying un-noticed for a day now. What i think is that have it not been protected, then by now it would have been improved hugely by me. If you want proof of my work, just look in the edit history of the page and the edits done by IP addresses. Every single IP edit has only improved the article (except the guy who keeps changing the height info) and not a trace of disruption followed. Regarding the edit war, i think the admins should have talked to me about it and then reverted because i had the explanation but they didn't which is not my fault. At the end my request is that please remove the protection from the page and i guarantee that not a single disruption will occur. Please feel free to ask an explanation for the above statements if it seems confusing to you. Regards 2405:204:A4AF:E6AB:0:0:1618:30AC (talk) 03:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done Spam messaging to multiple editors. WP:DNFTT Nick Moyes (talk) 08:49, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I am Levent Heitmeier, Nick. You know me, i messaged multiple editors because the case is just too much critical. Cech's article requires a lot of work and whatever work has been done so far there has been done by me. Protection of it till august is a complete wastage of time. My edits on the article are significant. I have never done vandalism and even though if i did somehow in the starting days, none of them was deliberate. I reported it to protecting admin RegentsPark, i reported it to WP:RFPP but all declined my request without reading using sockpuppetry as a ground. Ritchie333 too is an administrator and he always looks at what and who benefits wikipedia rather than who is a sockpuppet or who is an admin or something. Please help me get the page unportected and i guarantee that not a single vandalism will follow, if somehow any IP does it then i will do the patrolling and revert every single disruptive edit. If in any case i fail to fulfill my promise, i will set you all free to protect it indef. Regards 117.234.226.111 (talk) 11:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Why did you do that, Nick? Don't you know about football? I can't believe you are doing this to me. Petr Cech is widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time. I have provided 10 citations of different people applauding him (of high stature). And if those critics say that then peoples will agree of course. Please please please re-do it in the form it was. It is an absolute mental torture to me that when Manuel Neuer is widely regarded, Iker Casillas is widely regarded, Gianluigi Buffon is widely regarded then why Cech isn't. Please Nick for God sake restore it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:2199:4A03:F153:C50D:1DEE:5AD8 (talk) 12:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

You ain't matching it with cited sources. They refer him to be the greatest ever in premier League and many of them easily say that he is one of the greatest of all time. What are you doing. Please don't do this. Please restore this. I'm raving mad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:2199:4A03:F153:C50D:1DEE:5AD8 (talk) 12:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you are also User:Levent Heitmeier, you have been blocked from editing because of sockpuppetry. You therefore have no say in how this article is managed, nor how the page is protected against vandalism. Your continued use of multiple IP addresses is against our policies - you have been blocked, and those IP ranges may well be too. I suggest that you leave it for others with a legitimate right to edit here from one single account to work on the page. In my view, it's already 100k in size and is likely to give fair coverage to the topic. I don't propose to actually read the article in detail as I have zero interest in football or footballers - just in ensuring that Wikipedia is edited fairly and responsibly by users who have not been blocked, and who aren't pushing some personal POV. Many of us edit competently on subjects we know little about, as that ensures a neutral encyclopaedia doesn't turn into a fanzine or fake news site.The two-month semi-protection doesn't seem unreasonable under the circumstances of ongoing abuse for a high-profile page, especially in the light of what followed in your edits made here whilst I was in the middle of drafting this reply to you..

I'm really sorry, but the edits you refer to in your last comment (which overlapped with my reply to you) and which I just made to that page were to match the statement you (under what I assume to be one of your many India-based IP addresses?) appear to have put into the article, but which were not neutral in tone. I checked the references and modified the statement according to those citations. Putting in personal opinions because you happen to admire the player and think he's the greatest person of all time isn't OK. The citations don't show that to me - he does sound pretty amazing, so saying that some players and managers regard him as "the greatest goalkeeper in the Premier League" sounds more encyclopaedic and less like hero-worship to me. I'f I've missed something, I'm quite happy for another legitimate editor to re-read and correct my edits based upon those citations. But I've just gone through each one of those citations. One doesn't function; one, I agree, does say of him "One of the greatest goalkeepers in the history of the game is set to bring the curtains down on his illustrious and trophy-laden career", but all the remaining simply describe him in terms of being the greatest goalkeeper in either the Premier or the Champions League. I can't see why you take such exception to this encyclopaedia reflecting what the sources you've supplied actually say, rather than what you'd like them to say. Can you show me precisely where I've gone wrong in that, please? i.e. paste in the sentences you think I've missed. Whenever I make a mistake with my editing I'm always quite happy to apologise - to anyone. What they most definitely are not is WP:VANDALISM, and your use of threats against me (in the post below which I note you've now just deleted) is not necessary, and really quite unhelpful to your cause, especially as you have no right to be editing here at all. Pinging Ritchie if you really think an admin opinion would be helpful here. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

You pinged the wrong user. Interstellarity T 🌟 14:43, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Doh! So I did; thanks for that. This all got a bit weirdly hectic earlier today - I must have had about 6 edit conflicts which required an amended reply before I was finally able to post an up-to-date and reasoned response, before having to then dash away - so, yes, I stupidly got Ritchie's username wrong in my haste. I won't bother him now, although it really saddens me that we were descending into threats and even an attempted WP:ANI complaint against me for vandalism, despite this footballer clearly being an absolutely amazing player, which most of the sources cited by the sockmaster also clearly demonstrated, and to which I concur - but not just the overly adulatory and (in my view, at least) non-encyclopaedic way those sources were being interpreted. Cheers - and thanks to other TPSs here, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:03, 3 June 2019 (UTC)  

Tech News: 2019-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now write all special letters in all African Wikipedia languages. This works in the desktop version. [7]
• There is now a field called depicts on Commons. This is a way to show what is in a picture with the help of Wikidata. It is still in development. [8]
• Some tools on Toolforge may break on or after 3 June because of database changes. Maintainers should update their tools to use the new schema. [9][10]

Problems

• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for 30 minutes on 19 June at 05:00 (UTC). This is to fix a hardware problem. [11]

Changes later this week

• Some wikis have one tab for the visual editor and one tab for a wikitext editor. Others wikis just have one tab. If your wiki has two tabs, clicking a link to create a new page has always opened a wikitext editor. It will now open the editor you used the last time you edited. [12]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 May. It will be on all wikis from 6 May (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 5 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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15:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Teahouse

I added a reply on the Teahouse before realising that there is a team of dedicated hosts for replies. I'm not sure I should've added this message, as I am not a host, so I do apologize! Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 20:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234: Don't for one moment think that you can't reply to anyone at the Teahouse. It's not the preserve of just the Teahouse Hosts. If you can helpfully answer another editor, you feel free, please! The 'Hosts' are just those editors who have accepted the ethos of the Teahouse as a friendly, safe place for new editors and who have enough experience to be able to welcome and to assist with most types of questions.

That said, it might have been better had you not asked the very new editor to contact you on your talk page as it's quite possible they don't know how. I haven't looked in detail at your reversion of their edits - at a glance they did look uncited and rather essay/WP:OR-like. Perhaps if you contacted them on their talk page, they might find that easier. Sometimes new editors get very demoralised if their very first efforts get reverted; some never edit again. Keeping potentially constructive editors on-side is the real key. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ok thank you, I will leave a message on the users talk page and try to be as friendly as possible. Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234: When replying to someone on their own talk page, there is no need to ping them. They are notified automatically whenever you edit their talk page. Interstellarity T 🌟 00:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello

How have you been nick? I have recently not been very active on the wiki and for that i am sorry :) - JJBullet (Talk) 14:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

Administrator changes

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Guideline and policy news

• An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
• An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
• An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

• The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
• Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

Miscellaneous

• The previously discussed unblocking of IP addresses indefinitely-blocked before 2009 was approved and has taken place.
• The 2019 talk pages consultation produced a report for Phase 1 and has entered Phase 2.

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Tech News: 2019-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• When you create a PDF from a page on the wiki this is now done by Proton. Before this we used Electron. It should look the same but work better. Both use Chromium. This is a different system from when you collect several articles into a book and make a PDF from them. [13][14]
• The Flagged Revisions extension now uses the standard OOUI icons. There will be additional minor fixes for positioning in the next deployment. [15]
• Bots and other scripts that do not set an identifiable User-Agent may find their requests strictly rate-limited until they identify themselves properly. [16]

Problems

• Please check if the Flagged Revisions configuration on your wiki is as you expect (or as it was a few weeks ago). If not, please report it. [17]

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 12 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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17:06, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

So sad

Pitchfork

Thanks you for assistance

Hello @Nick Moyes: sir, Thank u for guiding me. It was nice, that you did necessary changes on my behalf. And what was required to be done. And was good for the article and the singer. AR.Dmg (talk) 02:45, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

It's a pleasure to help you, sir. Nick Moyes (talk) 03:11, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Original Barnstar
		Great job helping JJBullet!. CalOtter (talk) 21:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you - that's very nice of you. I'm hopeful they'll get the message that we really do support good editors, even if they mess up, but that we block bad editors to stop them messing everything up. Thanks for alerting me to this. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you... Viki-BSU (talk) 05:54, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Just dropping by for thanking you for your replies at WP:Teahouse. Sincerely, Masum Reza☎ 09:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Masumrezarock100, that's most kind of you. It's great to see you helping others there, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for 30 minutes on 19 June at 05:00 (UTC). This is to fix a hardware problem. [18]

Changes later this week

• MIDI files can soon be played without the Score extension. You can then add them with [[File:Filename.midi]]. Later override_midi and override_audio will stop working. Instead you will need to add the MIDI file below the music score. [19]
• A new video player will soon replace the old one. You will be able to enable it as a beta feature in your preferences. It will later be enabled for everyone if there are no big problems. [20]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 June. It will be on all wikis from 20 June (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 19 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Some gadgets and user scripts still use the old wgEnableAPI and wgEnableWriteAPI values. These values are always true. They will soon be removed. This might break the gadgets and scripts. You should fix your gadgets to not use these values. [21]

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20:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

your ping

Thank you for your ping in "empty checkboxes" (Tea House 963). Steue (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Hiya

Hi nick, havent spoke to you for ages, hows everything going?~JJBullet~ {Talk} 08:50, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine, thank you - relieved now one of my kids has finished their end of year exams. I hope you're well? Do tell me how you are doing, please, and what help and support you'd like if you still want to be a constructive editor. I see you've not stopped making the odd dumb edit like this one - which I think now brings your mainspace edit tally up to to 22 out of 853. That must be a record! If you fancy it, feel free to tell me what your hopes a fears and aspirations are here, and I can try to assist you. I think you did the right thing a while ago by withdrawing - so what are you going to do differently from now on, and what do you want to focus on? I can offer you a few tasks, or maybe the odd suggestion for things to avoid doing, if you wish. Just let me know. Be aware I'm not often on a laptop at the moment, so mostly edit from a mobile phone. This makes it difficult to find the right moment to write long or carefully crafted replies. All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:44, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Glad to hear it, and yeah i am being careful with what i do~JJBullet~ {Talk} 07:45, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

OK. Just ask, either here or at the Teahouse (for a quicker response) if you want to check anything - either before or after you've done it. Just remember, you really aren't experienced enough yet to be policing other editors' actions with a firm hand. So try focussing on how you can correct errors in a positive manner. Here are my preferred settings for monitoring recent changes. They don't show all live edits that are wrong - but they do highlight those that need checking for bad faith edits amongst many other legitimate ones. You might find this useful, perhaps. But always assume good faith, rather than bad faith, and be polite if you decide to undo another editor's contribution. Even a polite edit summary can be helpful. Do check out Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit, if working in this area is of interest. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:48, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, ok thanks nick :)~JJBullet~ {Talk} 09:25, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Here's a special barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		I wanted to show my appreciation since you've managed to help me so much the past few months. You always seem to have an answer for everything or know where to look in order to find one. Your advice has been plentiful in both quanitity and quality. Of course there's still a bunch I want to learn, but I thought that my first barnstar should be awarded to you since you're awesome and this is a gesture of appreciation. Clovermoss (talk) 03:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Thank you so much. That means a lot to me, though I don't deserve it. We need more great editors like you, so it really ought to be me giving the barnstar to you for your keen and mature approach. Long may it continue! (I think I just saw a notification from you about your first DYK being approved - so well done on that, too.) Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:51, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Of course you deserve it! I really do appreciate everything you do. Clovermoss (talk) 00:10, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Nick Moyes. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Interstellarity T 🌟 19:00, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: Thanks for the email. I won't explicitly mention the topic here, but I do appreciate your suggestion, and the reasons. I agree it could be helpful at the venue you suggest. I have been approached about it a few times over the last 18 months or so, and have been working towards what you suggest. However, I simply have not had sufficient free time in a solid block over the last 12 months to commit to being available and fully responsive for the relevant period. In addition, I never like putting myself forward until I feel fully confident - and I do take it seriously. So I might now aim for late summer/autumn when I hope my current real world commitments reduce somewhat. Hope this helps, and thanks very much for contacting me. It is appreciated. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Message on your user page

Just to let you know, there is a message at the bottom of your user page (intended to be on your talk page?) from a couple of weeks ago. Regards, Willbb234 (talk) 17:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234: Thank you. I had missed seeing that. I'll copy it over and reply to them here below. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Comment copied from my userpage: "Reference the Wiki entry on Exercise Tiger, I take your point about the geology professor and about learning to walk before trying to run. I think I knew this already, but I had come to a point where the factual errors in the entry and its poor and often non-existent scholarship so incensed me that I took the invitation "Start Editing" literally. Winterreisexly (talk) 20:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)"

Hi Winterreisexly. My apologies for not replying to you. I'm afraid you posted to my userpage, not my talk page, so I completely missed your follow-up to our Teahouse discussion earlier this month. It's great that you did want to "start editing". - I do hope you do continue editing, so feel free to seek any help you might need in future. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Removal of VOR-DME information

Hi Nick Moyes. Thanks for looking into the mass edits of User talk:51.7.34.168. It looks like he went to my Contributions page and ran through 200+ of my edits. Same attitude, comments, and style as blocked User talk:51.7.229.224. I'm flattered, but it's going to take a long time to straighten out. Thanks again. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 06:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Don't feel flattered. Your contributions page was irrelevant. I went to Template:Airports in Argentina and edited every article there to remove trivia and pointless external links. By "straighten out", I hope you don't mean "put back all the policy and guideline violations". 51.7.34.168 (talk) 09:24, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

IP Editor: Feel free to explain what policy violations you think were made by Cptmrmcmillan you refer to. I detect a consensus developing at Wikiproject Airports against your mass deletions, and so these may well all soon be reverted so as to reinstate them, which I or an admin may choose to do on their behalf. But we'll give it a few more days to give everyone a chance to express an opinion; meanwhile please respect my request not to make any more deletions or I shsll definitely be taking you to WP:ANI - especially now that it seems you've already been warned and blocked for doing this precise think before. As I said at Talk:Rio Turbio Airport, it's so much nicer when editors can be less belligerent and far more cooperative in our attitudes to one another. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Did you check out the DYK on the main page today? :)

Katherine Hughes (activist) is there. I got my first DYK credit! Also, did one of my last exams this morning and I think I did really well. So today has been awesome in multiple ways, I'm feeling pretty accomplished and proud of myself. There's this weirdness looking at the main page of Wikipedia and seeing the article I spent so much time on just there for all the world to see. Clovermoss (talk) 19:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Yay - that's brilliant to see. Have you saved a screenshot, or perhaps the whole thing as a .mht file in Firefox? It won't be there forever, so it's worth keeping something to show yourself your achievement. I'm so proud of you! And well done for completing your exams today. You won't know what to do with yourself now! Hopefully it means a nice summer relaxing for a bit - at least before it all starts again next autumn. I think you deserve a little something for that! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar on my talk page. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the summer. I'll probably be around on Wikipedia more often with the extra free time. I did save a screenshot of the main page, but I did some fiddling around earlier with links (there's templates that show the current main page, which means 801 links to the article at the moment, but I'm assuming they'll be gone after today). Anyways, I discovered that there's archives of the main page. So, if I wanted to, I could dig through the archives someday if I don't want to go through my computer files for the screenshot. Clovermoss (talk) 20:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

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hello

hi, im quite new to wikipedia, can you please give me some advice? i dont understand much, but i try my best. dojyaaan! Joseph Here (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BoiItsJosephHere. You seem to have got off to a good start here. Welcome, anyway. I've left an introductory welcome message with some key links on your talk page to help get you going. Do try our interactive tour, The Wikipedia Adventure, or ask any question you have about editing at the Teahouse. We work by consensus here, so if you find another editor disagrees with something you've done, it's worth stopping to consider why, and perhaps asking them to explain their reasons to you. We all make mistakes to begin with, but following stopping and seeing what others are saying is a key way to collaborating. You may find ideas of things to do at this page: WP:Community portal, or at WP:TASKS. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 05:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Section translation now works on Bengali Wikipedia. It helps mobile editors translate sections of articles. It will come to more wikis later. The first focus is active wikis with a smaller number of articles. You can test it and leave feedback.
• Flagged revisions now give admins the review right. [22]
• When someone links to a Wikipedia article on Twitter this will now show a preview of the article. [23]

Problems

• Many graphs have JavaScript errors. Graph editors can check their graphs in their browser's developer console after editing. [24]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 March. It will be on all wikis from 11 March (calendar).
• The New Discussion tool will soon be a new discussion tools beta feature for on most Wikipedias. The goal is to make it easier to start new discussions. [25]

Future changes

• There will be a number of changes to make it easier to work with templates. Some will come to the first wikis in March. Other changes will come to the first wikis in June. This is both for those who use templates and those who create or maintain them. You can read more.
• Reference Previews will become a default feature on some wikis on 17 March. They will share a setting with Page Previews. If you prefer the Reference Tooltips or Navigation-Popups gadget you can keep using them. If so Reference Previews won't be shown. [26][27]
• New JavaScript-based functions will not work in Internet Explorer 11. This is because Internet Explorer is an old browser that doesn't work with how JavaScript is written today. Everything that works in Internet Explorer 11 today will continue working in Internet Explorer for now. You can read more.

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17:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for blocking Alexbrowneye, they were evading the block of AlexClwn. --Ashleyyoursmile! 12:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ashleyyoursmile: No problem! Nick Moyes (talk) 12:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

They are back again MoyesAnnoys Ashleyyoursmile! 12:41, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

But how did they discover my school nickname? LOL! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Image copyright

Thanks again for your timely and elaborate response on the Teahouse. One more question please, what is the status of images on Flickr? These are some of the images I would like to use, not just for my Neatby article where I am pilling up some images at the moment to be redistributed. Please take a look https://www.flickr.com/people/92499189@N03 Brtbng (talk) 16:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Brtbng - you're most welcome. My reading of that Flickr page is that all the images have been aggregated into that project page, giving everyone a simple permission to use the images for personal, non-commercial use. So, overall, that doesn't work for us here. So, you'd then need to go to the individual image you want and click the image rights link (just below the image date). So, I randomly selected this image and clicked the link, which took me here. This is an old style CC BY 2.0 licence which explicitly states is may be used for commercial purposes. So, you'd be on safe ground to upload it to Wikimedia Commons and then use it on Wikipedia. It would be imprtant for you not to then claim the image as your own, but to follow the upload wizard and declare it as not your image, but to then provide a url which allows the proper attribution to be found and by the volunteers at Commons. Adding the EU Project descitption in the image description on Commons would also be advisable. Here are a few useful links for you to make a note of:

• Wikipedia:Upload/Flickr - useful table of various image licences that are/aren't deemed OK on Wikipedia.
• WP:REQUESTFLICKR a guide for approaching Flickr photographers to gain permissions
• Commons:Creative Commons copyright tags - another table of licences, this time relevant to Wikimedia itself, which is slightly more restrictive than Wikipedia in certain specific areas.
• Commons:Upload Wizard/Flickr - a Wizard specifically aimed at uploading Flickr images

Finally, are you aware that all images on Geograph are acceptable on Commons? This can be a really useful source of outdoor imagery, findable by location name or by searching on a given 1km OS grid reference. eg Pontefract Museum.

Hope this helps. Come back if you need further assistance. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

184.13.92.212

184.13.92.212 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Hey, thanks for responded at AIV yesterday. Did you mean to indef the IP, though? It's possibly sticky but I don't see any reason to think it's static. Suffusion of Yellow (talk)

@Suffusion of Yellow: No that wasn't my intention. Thank you very much for alerting me. I'll fix it in due course - just a tad busy at this very moment. Will do so shortly Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done

Redroses10

Hi Nick,

Please urgently unblock User:Redroses10 who is a student on a course I'm currenty delivering, and a bona fide new contributor; as is User:ArazAGHA. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

I have done this following the request at ANI. GiantSnowman 11:21, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing I'm really sorry, Andy, if I caused a problem for you and that user. Please pass on my apologies. I was on a video call when you posted, but am glad GiantSnowman resolved this as speedily as possible. I'm afraid my interpretation of their edits after they were reported by Serial Number 54129 did lead me also to conclude they were one person editing in poor faith and were messing with you. I hope you understand that, from my perspective, this post and this post, followed by your deletion of one of them did look like someone was genuinely trolling you as an imitator of Redrose64 - hence the softblock of just one of those accounts. I'm happy to be advised if anyone feels I acted inappropriately (whilst of course being quite unaware they they were your class subjects). Best wishes, and hope this find you well. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:43, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Nick - for what it's worth when I saw the 'Redroses10' heading at ANI my first reaction was that it was somebody impersonating Redrose64, so it was a reasonable response for you! GiantSnowman 12:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Nick, thanks for ping. No, nothing for you to worry about: but it does rather raise a question mark over the judgement of the tutor who a) clearly didn't see anything wrong with the early edits and advise accordingly; and b) who must have recognised the similarity of username and chose not to advise against that either. Frankly, if User:Pigsonthewing did not expect either of those things to receive push back, it says far more about their judgement than yours. All best, ——Serial 13:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

The claim that "their edits are pure trolling" is utterly without merit; as is the claim that there was anything at all wrong with their early edits; and the claim of "impersonating Redrose64". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

A total abrogation of responsibility: the only defence of the failed teacher. ——Serial 15:32, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Come on both - let's play nice. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank, Nick. I have no doubt that you acted in good faith. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• There is a Wikipedia app for KaiOS phones. They don't have a touch screen so readers navigate with the phone keys. There is now a simulator so you can see what it looks like.
• The reply tool and new discussion tool are now available as the "Discussion tools" beta feature in almost all wikis except German Wikipedia.

Problems

• You will be able to read but not edit twelve wikis for a short period of time on 23 March at 06:00 (UTC). This can also affect password changes, logging in to new wikis, global renames and changing or confirming emails. This could take 30 minutes but will probably be much faster.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 March. It will be on all wikis from 25 March (calendar).
• Syntax highlighting colours will change to be easier to read. This will soon come to the first wikis. [28]

Future changes

• Flagged revisions will no longer have multiple tags like "tone" or "depth". It will also only have one tier. This was changed because very few wikis used these features and they make the tool difficult to maintain. [29][30]
• Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015 this was moved from wg* to mw.config. wg* will soon no longer work. [31]

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16:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

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Please block

Per edit history and our ignored messages here [32]. Thanks, JNW (talk) 03:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

It looks like Cullen sorted this. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Same old. Another block, please, Nick Moyes or Cullen. Thanks, JNW (talk) 02:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

archiving "too soon"

Hello Nick,

As a piece of friendly advice, instead of manually editing pages to avoid automatic archiving to archive topics "too soon" which I gather were a concern of yours recently, I suggest discussing the archive bot's settings on the talk page. Maybe simply making the bot archive the page more slowly would save your some work in the future? Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 10:27, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. It was removed as housekeeping to clear out off-topic posts which might make assume that WT:TH is the place to post standard questions, which it obviously isn't. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Some very old web browsers don’t work well with the Wikimedia wikis. Some old code for browsers that used to be supported is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. [33]
• IRC recent changes feeds have been moved to a new server. Make sure all tools automatically reconnect to irc.wikimedia.org and not to the name of any specific server. Users should also consider switching to the more modern EventStreams. [34]

Problems

• When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split. It might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. [35]
• Some translatable pages on Meta could not be edited. This was because of a bug in the translation tool. The new MediaWiki version was delayed because of problems like this. [36][37]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 31 March. It will be on all wikis from 1 April (calendar).

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17:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Derby query

Nick, seeing your skycam link - do you know the (local) term Cathedral Alley, being a back, access road? Reminds me when I used to have cut through the centre when a van driver in 1970s. Thx.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 16:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

@Rocknrollmancer: Interesting question! The navigable road adjacent to Derby Cathedral is formally known as 'Amen Alley' (see Google Street View). I've personally always called it that, and have never heard it referred to as 'Cathedral Alley', though that name as a cut-through makes complete sense. Interestingly, it's one of the last two or three sections of street in Derby that I'm aware of that still allow one to see the original cobbled granite sets and longer stone blocks at the edges to accommodate the wheels of horse-drawn carts. And, related to that, DYK that the cobbles underneath Derby Guildhall are actually made of the heartwood of oak, rather than stone, so as to reduce the rumbling noise of wheeled carts passing beneath the former council chamber? I used to do the occasional guided geology tour around the city centre, and liked to drop a small dart onto the cobbles and watch people's surprise when it embedded itself into the 'cobble stones'. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

No, nothing like that! I saw that streetview about a week ago then just saw another message from the conservationist which reminded me. Rough road behind businesses, wide, perhaps one-way, sloping slightly up in the travel direction. Here's one for you maybe indicative of the slope, but not narrow like that. I know where I was headed - Ashbourne Rd, but not where from 8¬( . I got lost and a local directed me through the centre, saying they called it Catherdral Alley. Apologies for tantalising you - I'll add it to my list. Mostly I would be driving on the Duffield / Mackworth side, prior to that working in Peartree for a year, so not much recollection of the centre. I've been doing some wiki-bits on Kingston-upon-Hull, which had wood-block pavements when I visited in the 1960s - road surfaces per se were called pavements by professionals, maybe footways for the pedestrian parts - my late uncle was a civil engineer specialising in highways and bridges at the East Riding county offices in Beverley. I imagine the Hull wood blocks would be gone now - I'll add that to my list, for when I've nothing to do!! rgds--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

This is what I remember, outside of the Wilberforce Museum, although it's impossible to discern what they material is now.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

This is the nearest I can come up with for Cathedral Alley; rear view of traditional old buildings, sloping upwards; no doubt has changed markedly since 1975, due in part to the Assembly Rooms which has a 1977 date. Close to Amen Alley but unsure of where I came out at the top.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021).

Administrator changes

Alexandria • Happyme22 • RexxS

Guideline and policy news

• Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
• Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

Technical news

• When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
• Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)

Arbitration

• A community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure is open until April 25.

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Tech News: 2021-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Editors can collapse part of an article so you have to click on it to see it. When you click a link to a section inside collapsed content it will now expand to show the section. The browser will scroll down to the section. Previously such links didn't work unless you manually expanded the content first. [38]

Changes later this week

• The citoid API will use for example 2010-12-XX instead of 2010-12 for dates with a month but no days. This is because 2010-12 could be confused with 2010-2012 instead of December 2010. This is called level 1 instead of level 0 in the Extended Date/Time Format. [39]
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19:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Immediately picked up a new sock account

User:FactsandTruthareKING picked up where he left off. I guess I have to admire the tenacity. Best, GPL93 (talk) 23:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Looks like it was pretty much blocked immediately nvm. Best, GPL93 (talk) 23:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@GPL93: I was going to invite you to tell me if you think the article needed Page Protection, but I see Cullen has already done that. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:01, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Requesting help regarding deletion of pictures in articles and Wikimedia related to - Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam and Dolphin Nature Conservation Society

Dear Sir, I am Dr. M. Rama Murty, founder of Biodiversity Park and Society. I am writing this seeking your advise and help regarding deletion of maximum number of pictures in Wikipedia and Wikimedia in the recent times, by some Wikimedia editors. sir, I am fully aware that your time is highly precious but for me there is no other go or option because right from the beginning you are the only person who understood my feelings and the work done by me. Majority more than 95% pictures in these articles and Wikimedia are taken by me with various cameras and android phones over a period of 20 years. Recently 5th March, 2021 we celebrated 20th anniversary also. And majority are cropped and zoomed through computer and uploaded to Wikimedia. I am a layman in high-tech computer knowledge and in photography details. Not having clear knowledge about copyrights sir. As you know, I am a learner in editing Wikipedia and Wikimedia articles and still eagerly working to do some thing to the cause of nature conservation and environmental protection. Surely I will avoid pictures with ambiguity and with persons. So many nice pictures exclusive of biodiversity park plants, birds, butterflies and intertidal fauna and flora, turtles are taken and uploaded, and unfortunately deleted. I request you to suggest a way - how to come out from this problem. I am really sorry for disturbing you sir, Thanking you sir, with regards, Dr. M.Rama Murty, --Bmantha (talk) 03:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Bmantha do not panic. I think I can assist you and help you find a way through this for you. I can see that a lot of the photos you uploaded have been deleted, and thus removed from Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam. Do not take this personally - it looks like someone on Wikimedia Commons saw all the cropped photos you have uploaded, and suspected that they might not have been yours. The reason for that was that none of the images contained camera details, which would definitely have shown they were your. There was a short discussion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Bmantha, and a note was left for you on your Wikimedia Commons page (see here). But maybe you did not see it in time, as you left no comment or explanation there. Quite often, when you crop an image, all the original file information is removed. (I crop my photos with Irfanview which gives an option to keep or delete the original information. You might find that free program very useful).

But deleted images can be reinstated. What is needed is for you to be able to prove you own a few of these images by making the original large images available so that someone can look at the camera details (often called EXIF data) and confirm they are indeed yours.

So, my first question to you is: Do you have one of the original photos you took yourself, which you could upload? If so, let me know - you could even email it to me if you were unsure. Once we establish this, you or I can then talk to the deleting administrator to clarify the next step. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyes, No words to express my thanks especially for your immediate response, in spite of your busy schedule. What you said is true. I have not seen the messages from Wikimedia, which is my mistake. All old photos 10 years back were taken from the album of pictures which I am having through Android phone and cropped. But the thing is the Wikimedia editors have removed all pictures, even some are original I think so, which I posted as Bmantha. Of course they are right in their own direction. Unfortunately, even they were of the opinion that I am lying. Really It hurts me, In fact as I said We are celebrating 20 years anniversary by 5th March. 2021. Its all in fact 36 years of our/my hard work and love towards nature and environment sir. I am sorry I am a bit emotional. But I am to be blamed myself. Now as you said, I will try my level best to forward some of the pictures which are original, to you for your perusal sir. I am very happy, you are there to extend full help. Sir, one more mistake I did in the initial stages of writing articles and opening account, I gave my sons mailing address: Please excuse me for this confusion. Now I am forwarding my personal mailing address; I earnestly request you to forward your message to this mail sir. I am really sorry for this. thanking you with regards Dr. M. Rama Murty, --Bmantha (talk) 04:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bmantha: No problem! I'm pleased to be able to help a serious scientist. It is important for you not to think that you are being accused of lying. Think instead that Wikimedia Commons has an obligation to ensure that every image it makes available is correctly licenced, and does not infringe someone else's copyright. They err on the side of caution and remove content that may not appear to have been validly uploaded. So they were rally protecting what they thought wewre the rights of others, even if that is not the case. To be fair, you have uploaded a huge number of images - perhaps many more than was really necessary, so it could be judged that maybe someone was simply finding and uploading images from somewhere else. But we know differently, don't we?

Bear in mind that, although I am an administrator here on English Wikipedia, I have no control over what happens on Wikimedia Commons. So we must approach the issue with the best evidence and explanation that we can. I have sent you a personal email to the address you supplied, and look forward to seeing a few of your master photographs before we take the issue to the administrator on Commons. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@Bmantha: Thank you for emailing me the 24Mb of image files. I will look through them all, but can immediately see one is 4000x3000 resolution, so it is clearly not an image you've taken from the internet!! I've been very busy recently (including setting up this wildlife webcamera), so this is just a holding reply to acknowledge receipt and to allay your fears that I will look at them soon. The one thing I did notice is that at least one image had a date of creation the same as the date you sent it. This tends to happen when images are taken from a camera or storage device and then moved over to a second storage or backup device. If you could find an original example with an original date of creation, that might further help. Please accept my apologies for not responding earlier, and I aim to be back in touch soon. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Hai Nick, Very happy to see your message, inspite of your busy schedule you responded well. Normally I am using android to take pictures and automatically they are stored in my google photos. I am downloading them, (some times by editing them to look better or crop them) and then I am uploading to Wikimedia or Facebook or similar things. Sometimes I am downloading from my Facebook account and again uploading them. In the Wikipedia main articles as you suggested I kept only 5 or 6 pictures. Remaining I uploaded to Wikimedia, as you suggested (for biodiversity park You have created this for me long back) to all my 3 articles namely Biodiversity Park, Visakhapatnam, Dolphin Nature Conservation Society, and Sacred Groves of Biodiversity Park. Because majority pictures depict very rare species of butterflies, plants, intertidal and sometimes research oriented work, I kept many. I am of the opinion that Wikimedia is just like a knowledge picture repository. By mistake I loaded species with persons also, that can be avoided. My doubt-shall I have to uploaded new pictures for your perusal, which are not previously incorporated in the Wikipedia or Wikimedia. Again I am uploading some, I am getting worried and confused how to select the original ones among hundreds of picture bank. Pl. suggest me when time permits sir, I am fully aware that Your time is so precious, and you are involved in many projects, and your are working for the multidimensional tasks of Wikipedia, I really appreciate, but for me this happened to be the main project sir, I am eagerly awaiting yr reply and help. Thanking you Regards Dr. Rama Murty, Bmantha (talk) 12:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Dear Nick. Please look into my problem of deleting pictures. I am afraid all these pictures taken by me over a period of 20 to 30 years, majority biodiversity park pictures many rare as you know may be deleted completely from Wikimedia and Wikipedia. My request, at least help me in retaining those pictures which are very few 10 to 12 uploaded in the articles Dolphin Nature Conservation Society and Biodiversity Park. I am reiterating I am fully aware that Your time is so precious but yet please sir, thanking you, Regards, Dr. Rama Murty, Bmantha (talk) 14:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi, Nick Moyes! It's me (TheWikiWizard's Creator)! How are things going for you? Haven't seen you much, possibly due to me being in the Simple English Wikipedia more now. How's it keeping? --つがる Talk to つがる:) 🍁 01:07, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello there, つがる my old friend. How are you? I'm doing fine and keeping busy one way or another. We're gradually coming out of lockdown here in the UK, so will have to adjust to the next 'new normal' I noticed today that you're still on the Teahouse featured hosts section - I'll probably need to swap you over as you're clearly busy on our sister project. Take care and keep safe, and thanks for the WikiWizards which I still receive. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:16, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi! First off, I'm fine with being switched off for the time being to allow for other editors to take the featured host section on the teahouse! The reason why I'm on Simple Wikipedia is because it's not as overwhelming as this Wikipedia, and the English is easier for me to understand. I'm in in my last year of High School Now. The COVID Cases here in British Colombia, are terrible. I'm not surprised, because many people refuse to follow rules, for what reason I don't know, it's just stupid that they don't, but as long as I do my part, I'm going to keep others around me and myself safe. --つがる Talk to つがる:) 🍁 23:54, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: OK, understood, and will do. I'm sorry to hear of the situation in BC. It sounds similar to how things were here in January 2021.We've all been locked down since, and (despite appalling management by the UK government of the Covid crisis), the vaccine rollout here has been impressive. I'm awaiting my 2nd vaccination in May. It's sad that it's the older generation (like me) who have suffered the most health-wise, yet it's the younger generation who are suffering most from lack of work opportunities, education and normal social interactions, which are so important at your time of life. I feel for any young person who was in their last year at High School last year, and who has now gone to college/university and has had 2 years of restricted activity. Things look to be better for next year's university intake. Curiously, I read my mother's wartime diary a while back (she was born in 1922), and realised that she was 17 when war broke out and all her expected social, education and work opportunities changed overnight. She went from art school to drawing the undercarriages of bomber aircraft. Whilst she was being bombed in London by a very real foe in Germany, young people today don't see the invisible killer that might not affect them directly, but will profoundly affect them indirectly for some years to come, and probably far more than it will me. You sound to be taking things responsibly, just as my own kids are - and I guess that is all you can do. So keep safe! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yea, I guess this pandemic in a sense, is just like the wartime like you described, of how fast things change. I been taking Japanese lessons for a year now, and I wanted to get a work visa in Japan, but obviously it probably won't be possible in the future. I don't want to go into too much detail here, but my Grade 12 class wanted to go on a 'grad trip' at the end of the year, and I told them "Why?" I don't understand why they are doing this, as it violates the current BC COVID Restrictions, I understand that they want to have fun and take some time together, as this type of school-days won't come back, but at the same time everyone should follow the COVID Regulations and do their part. I know for a thing that as a Grade 12 Class in the school, we are the examples for all the younger students, and if the Grade 12 Class went on a trip (I would refuse to go), other younger grades would think this is okay, but if we didn't they would follow our example, and pass it on to their friends, etc, the same example. Nobody is perfect, and everyone wants to live a normal life, and this will only happen, if we all pull in and do our part, Just like Wikipedia, everyone is working towards a same goal, we are all wanting to build an encyclopedia. If we can build Wikipedia, I know for sure we can kill COVID. People need to give in 100% effort, and in no time, we will be back to normal, It won't be easy, but it is 100% worth it. つがる Talk to つがる:) 🍁 01:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: I quite agree with you, and have total respect for your views. Rather like you, my daughter has been trying to learn Korean for the same reason, and dramatically shifted her university subject choices becasue of the pandemic and for future work opportunities. I do feel for you and your classmates, but you're doing the right thing. My kids have been stuck indoors for months, and it's so sad for them and for you. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't want our next-generation to carry on this burden, but our current generation and the next-generation must learn the mistakes, and how to prevent a global pandemic from happening. But the normal times will return soon one day, even if things don't seem to be getting any better. つがる Talk to つがる:) 🍁 01:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)