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Matter of doubt..

Check The Alpha Complex. I marked it as "Unsourced BLP" and proposed for deletion, the creator removed the tag and added unreliable/primary source to the article. Also left a note on my talk page. I used about 2 tags for deletion but I had to revert myself. Because there is identification as well as BLP is sourced. I cannot add "promotion" tag, it can be reverted by other editor with the reason that "it is not advertisement".

What to do here? Thanks, ping me. OccultZone (Talk) 10:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

@User:OccultZone - Now tagged with normal PROD - "Fails WP:BAND. No coverage in secondary sources.". If that does not work - then I would think a WP:AfD would sort it out. I once had a better band than that get deleted.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Image consent and proof of permission

Good day,

I have re-uploaded an image which was deleted, namely File:Pie-Pacifique with Nelson Mandela, 2006.jpg. The copyright holder was not willing to give consent to Creative Commons stating they did not agree with such statements as "...I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise..." and "I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites." but rather sent me the following email:

"This is to confirm that The Mandela Rhodes Foundation is the sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the image of Pie-Pacifique Kabalira-Uwase and Nelson Mandela and agrees to its use for the sole purpose of illustrating an entry about Mr Kabalira-Uwase on the Wikipedia website. This usage is conditional on the image being credited as follows: PICTURE COURTESY COPYRIGHT OF THE MANDELA RHODES FOUNDATION"

Following this, I then re-uploaded the image under the Non-free promotional and Non-free with permission tags. My problem now comes with the Declaration of consent email which should be sent to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org, I cannot find an email template for the stated tags for the copyright holder to send. Does such a template exist or is the above extract enough to be used as proof of permission?

Your help would be much appreciated, KwasiAB (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is primarily concerned with providing free data and images. We do allows a limited use of non-free images under the US fair use policy. If they won't release it for free - then the only option is non-free - then it really does not matter what they say - at the end of the day it will have to comply with WP:NFCC just like any other non-free image so will need to be be small, low res, have a WP:FURG and appropriate non-free license. The tags on the page look OK - I've removed the "replaceable" message - since the subject is deceased - it is not replaceable - and adjusted the replaceability section to show he is deceased. It's a bit big - the non-free image bot will sort that out for you.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Could you follow-up to my comment on that user's talkpage? I agree that a photo of this meeting (or anything else involving Mandela) is not replaceable because that person is deceased. But I disagree (and based my tagging) on the use-case or encyclopediac value with respect to the other person, who seems to be alive. DMacks (talk) 19:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

File:James Morrison Dances With Films.jpg

Hello - thank you for your message. :) This file was uploaded in error as a duplicate and is no longer required, so the author may have subsequently deleted it from Flickr. Please would you be able to delete it from Wikipedia as well? My apologies for any inconvenience.

Thank you for your refreshing courteous message. Other admins who have contacted me have unfortunately been much less civil so I am grateful to you.

Kind regards. Jamespmorrison (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleted as "author requested", thanks for the note.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:54, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

teamcity

Hi, why did you delete the Teamcity Page? It is a very important software used by the industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.203.92.128 (talk) 04:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

TeamCity was proposed for deletion by User:RHaworth on the 26 May 2014 (reason = no evidence of notability) - no one objected to the proposal, and no edits were done on the article to improve it. It was therefore deleted 7 days later. If you wish to object to the deletion then you can, and the article will be restored as a "contested PROD" - but do realise that unless the article is quickly improved to satisfy the requirements to stay, it will more than likely be put through the full deletion process.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Re Bairnsdale Water Tower Photos

Hello,

Regarding the article on Bairnsdale with the picture showing the water tower that's in question. There aren't freely available pics that I can access or know of. I did have the permission of the photos creator to use it but given the fairly lengthy process that it would take to "officially" get his permission to the satisfaction of the rules set out by Wikipedia Admin, I think I'll just take a photo myself. Its a shame because that is a good photo ALFAMAX1 (talk) 09:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Correct - if it's possible to go there, and take a photo then that makes it "replaceable". Or as you say you can wade through the WP:DCM process to get the permission. At least if it's a free image then you can have a nice big and sharp image, unlike non-free where we want low resolution and small.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Marnie Blewitt fair Use Rationale

Hello and thank you for bringing the File:Marnie Blewitt.jpg fair use rationale to my attention. I uploaded this file yesterday in order to illustrate the article with the same name, as I could find no free copy of this person's photograph and because the picture was a thumbnail of a larger picture and I did not think that this would damage the rights of the copyright holder. If you could advise me whether this is justified or whether I am missing something I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you in advance for your kind assistance. PEGLEG3 (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

If the person is alive (and not locked up) then the image is "replaceable". Thus it fails WP:NFCC#1 "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created" - One just has to find the person and take a photo. Note: Actual physical distance to travel to the subject has no effect.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, thank you for your assistance. How do we recommend that that photograph be deleted? Thanks again for your kind help! PEGLEG3 (talk) 20:24, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done Deleted as WP:CSD#G7 - Author requested.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:15, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Hammer 43.jpg Your message 22:12, 4 June 2014

Possibly unfree File:Hammer 43.jpg Your message 22:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

I was relying on the fact that printed along the bottom of the front page of this old theatre programme it says "To save paper please share this programme as widely as possible". The 'paper' bit refers to wartime economy. It is a 1943 programme. The 4 people photographed are all dead. The company they worked for ceased to exist in 1953. The theatre that produced the programme was demolished long ago.

Please advise further. I am new to authoring on Wikipedia.

Pstaylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstaylor (talk • contribs) 22:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

You will find images are a minefield. Copyright in UK (I'm here) lasts for 70 years after the photographer's death - subject dying, firm out of business, etc. have no effect. If it can be shown that the photographer is truly unknown then it's 70 years post publication - which might make it OK for this year - hence the use of a WP:PUF as I'm not 100% certain if it's out of copyright or not. You need to try and check if there is any attribution to a photographer  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ronhjones

Thank you. So are Wikipedia's systems for dealing with them! I believe I have understood that:-

1. You have added it to the PUF list.
2. I could have done that myself if I was unsure of it.
3. After a week I will hear something, from somebody.
4. UTC means GMT. I wonder what's wrong with GMT.
5. I should have signed my message with 4 squiggles.

The photos are unattributed. I have already written to the son of the founder/director of the company which employed these dancers (the woman on the first photo) and await his reply. Almost certainly the company would have held the copyright of photos of its dancers used for publicity purposes, and almost certainly the woman inherited the company's assets when it ceased operations, and almost certainly the son inherited from his mother.
Pstaylor (talk) 00:00, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

You can always ask questions at WP:MCQ. Correct on inheritance. If you can get proper permission then see WP:DCM. 4 tildes is good, but no leading space at start of line - screws display of the line :-)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:22, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Help

thanks but actually the 2013 cover image now needs deleting as have replaced in the infobox with the correct 2011 cover mentioned in the article text. Can you help with this? Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Deleted as WP:CSD#G7 (Author Requested)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:02, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: File permission problem with File:Velocite Bikes logo.gif

I do not understand what the problem is and what I can do to rectify it. It is our company logo.

I followed the information links that you provided and I think I understood some of it - I am not a legal or copyright expert so a lot of the information is largely incomprehensible to me. Nevertheless... If I add a tag to the Velocite Bikes wikipedia page the tag adds a huge amount of text screwing up the formatting of the page or the info box. I also checked the Velocite Bikes logo.gif file information page and it all looks fine and fair to me. It is indeed a company logo, yes it is subject to copyright, no it cannot be modified, altered, remixed or misused.

Please help me to fix whatever the copyright problem is as I do not know.

Vmajor (talk) 05:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I would do - but someone has beat me to it - you need to thank User:Salavat for changing it all to non-free for you.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:05, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Suske en Wiske

He Ron, you tagged this image File:Deckmyn as lambic.png as not sufficiently low quality to be fair use, but wonder what you based it on. Is it mere file size? The file size itself is not in the editorial standard (just that it should be low res, which I think it is; especially compared to the original).

Theo's Little Bot would have uploaded an image which will be constant with the guideline at WP:Image resolution, so it's trying to get as close to 100,000 pixels as possible. The bot won't reduce an image that is small enough already.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:00, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

But it does so upon the editorial judgement of an editor that the file was of too high quality; which in this case clearly was not the case... Anyway, it is settle now... L.tak (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I said too big, I did not mention quality - the image is well bigger than the guideline. The reduced version is similar enough be OK. Leave it as it is, I don't edit war, someone else will come along in the future and tag it again, they always do - I have faith in our frequent image editors.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:18, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

File:Jewel Food Logo.PNG

Why did you tag a {{PD-textlogo}} with {{non-free reduce}}? --Stefan2 (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Why did I - good question. Senior moment... :-) Thanks for the heads-up  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Photo of the side of a building in Boston

Hello. I took a photo of the side of a building in Andrew Square in Boston, Massachusetts, where there was a mural painted with no attribution. I am the author of the photo. I didn't paint the mural. There is no information I saw at the residential building about who painted the mural. Or maybe it was graffiti on the wall of a building. I uploaded the photo I took and added it into the article on the Andrew (MBTA station). The image in the English Wikipedia is File:Mural near Andrew Square Boston 06032014,jpg.jpg. You, a WP sys admin User:Ronhjones, flagged it as an image with no permission and speedy deletion. Here is your edit:

• 23:39, 4 June 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+160)‎ . . User:Ronhjones/CSD log ‎ (Logging speedy deletion nomination of File:Mural near Andrew Square Boston 06032014,jpg.jpg. (TW))

I made the photo. I gave permission. The people who painted it are not identified near the building as far as I could tell. Can you advise me or even fix this? I've been editing Wikipedia since January 2005. The objection seems absurd on the face of it. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 04:47, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

It's art, it was painted by someone. It does not look like graffiti. The US has no exception for 2D images outside, the artist will hold the copyright.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:57, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

File:NCA&T Interlock Lettermark.png

Not sure why you tagged it as non-free reduce, its a free image. Werieth (talk) 01:34, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Another wacky one - not my best day yesterday! Hopefully tonight will be more sensible. Still I did tag about 300 images for reduce - 298 out of 300 is not a bad percentage :-) Thank heavens for my script to add the template!  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:59, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Video copyrights - seeking your advice

Hi Ron. I'm working off-line on a draft BabyFirst article where I have a COI. There is an awful lot of source material[1] that tries to describe the content of their television channel for babies using text and it would be way better to actually show users a 5-minute clip, but all of their channel's content is going to be copyrighted with no free alternatives. Is there a non-free exception for this kind of thing? And where do I go to find out more about how to get a video uploaded? CorporateM (Talk) 22:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

OK - As I remember it all (video is still low use here)

1. Non free video and audio clips - 30 seconds is regarded as maximum time (although I have seen a little longer - but that might be risky). As with all non-free you will need a WP:FURG and a {{Non-free video sample}} to go with it. As it's non free it will need to be uploaded on en-wiki - just upload as you would an image - but in the correct format (see below)! Check out Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Non-free_video_sample for other non-free videos.
2. Wikipedia:Videos for info on video formats - it has to be ogg (or ogv) format. There are some ways described to get that - Personally I've used MediaCoder (http://www.mediacoderhq.com/ - as I have it already) to do it (Theora Video; Vorbis Audio; OGG container - good converter, maybe not the most user friendly, but very powerful). The only one I have done of any size, you will find at Arnside. Note there are 2 versions - not sure what is recommended now, but as far as I know Wikipedia cannot scale a video like it does with a picture, thus there are two versions as described in the caption of the video link. This was to allow users with a slower connection to see the video and those with a fast connection to view a much bigger image. For a non-free, you will probably have to keep to a small image.

Hope that helps  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! They said they would put a short clip together for me; then I'll try my luck with the copyright and encoding maze. CorporateM (Talk) 02:16, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

If you have an issue with encoding then come back - we'll sort something out together.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

You deleted the article but not the redirect to it

Please also delete the redirect Brilliance: Unleash the Power of Your Authentic Core. Dream Focus 23:40, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Beaten by the bot :-) User:AnomieBOT III  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Artist Page

Dear RonhJones,

My name is Michelle Blanchard. I am a middle schooler in New Orleans. One of our class assignments for digital information was to discover a prominent New Orleans writer, artist, or musician who did not have a Wikipedia page, and to create one. In this way we learn about collective knowledge and how to be good users of the internet and also to share our local culture with the wider world. Ally Burguieres is a popular artist here in New Orleans and I created a page to share information about who she is for those who may be wondering. I am proud of my page and went to show it to my mom and was embarrassed to see it deleted as a "fluff piece". I have also been sending the link to my teachers and would like to see my page stay up as I worked hard on the research and want to share popular New Orleans artists with the world. Thank you.

Sincerely, Michelle

Page 2600:100D:B117:6BFB:90CC:7261:D13A:12D (talk) 22:42, 6 June 2014 (UTC)Ally Burguieres

PS My teacher helped me write this, I hope the format is correct. Thank you.

It was deleted as an uncontested PROD - since you are now contesting it, I will undelete it. Do note that it's very likely that the person who proposed the deletion may well decide to take it to WP:AfD, unless it is improved enough to stay.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

RE: Possibly unfree File:Absoft Microsoft FORTRAN for Mac front.png

Thank you for commenting on an image that I am using in an article. The crux of the matter is that there seems to be no Wikipedia copyright template that seems applicable to photographs of boxes for commercial products.

All the Wikipedia copyright templates address publications and photographs of possibly copyrighted works such as art, sculpture, recognizable people, and possibly even certain buildings. The closest applicability would be the templates regarding book, album, and video covers, but a software box is not really comparable because it is not based on a single dominant graphic, but on trademarks to possibly include the box itself (as in a Tide box or Campbell's soup can - uh, Warhol?). But even photos of graphics are fair use if they are not of sufficient resolution for re-use. I believe that trademark protocols are appropriate and they are observed in the image and its use in my article.

In summary, I can't understand a non-free copyright of an image of a box for a commercial product, when used honoring trademark protocols. Packaging of a mass-produced commercial product is not a publication in the same sense as an album cover, I would think. If I am wrong, please let me know. I do have an inquiry for permission that we can use in the event that I am wrong on this. I have a longer reply on my talk page. Either my copyright understanding will be significantly enhanced in this discussion, or we may identify the need for yet another copyright fair use template for Wikipedia. Or, perhaps both!

Please DO get back with me about your opinion on whether boxes of commercial products are to be treated, legally, as publications, or as trademarks. -motorfingers- (talk) 03:46, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Choices...

1. As a free image - the only license I think possible is {{PD-US-1989}} - but only if the statement on that template is correct - if it had copyright on issue, then you cannot use that. If you do use that template then also add {{Trademark}}.
2. As a non-free image - can you satisfy the criteria at WP:NFCC? If so you need

A) A WP:FURG, properly filled in.

B) {{Non-free product cover}}

C) You do not need the tradmark template - that's only needed on free images.

D) It's a bit too big for non-free - add {{non-free reduce}} to let the auto bot sort out the correct size.

See how other product covers are described - list at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Non-free_product_cover

Hope that makes more sense.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you focused on the proper issues as I see them and pointed out the proper templates and policies for me, and I thank you very much for that. {{PD-US-1989}} does look promising as Absoft assures me that there is no copyright notice on the box itself; if I hear back next week that there is no copyright, I will use that and we are done. In the event of any uncertainty about what might have been filed I will pursue a fair-use template. That uncertainty is why I did not use {{PD-US-1989}} to begin with.

The non-free product cover template does seem to be close to what we have here, and it is something that I did not turn up on my own. I'll research all the policies that you suggest and the examples and apply the best fit. Reduction is not an option because the main point, other than documenting that Microsoft had Absoft write the Fortran (and BASIC) compilers for Macinstosh in 1985 is the note that Absoft wrote the compiler, which is in barely visible small print on the bottom of the back of the box. -motorfingers- (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

OK - I hope you manage to get it sorted out. The US copyright pre 1996 is a mess, one that is much simpler post-1996, but nearly always more restrictive.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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Spectrum of Green Bean Galaxy J2240

Hi. I uploaded the image File:Spectrum_of_Green_Bean_Galaxy_J2240.jpg to Green Bean Galaxies on the 4th of June. As it is a copyrighted image from the Astrophysical journal, I presumed that a 'non-free use' license would be ok, as the image is not freely available anywhere else. The full details are explained in the image's page. According to the history, the image was tagged and then reduced, perhaps waiting for a non-free use rationale. I've since provided a rationale, but really don't want my original upload deleted. The small size of the current image leaves it pretty unreadable.

As I've provided a rationale, maybe you could view it and decide one way or the other before the original gets deleted? The deadline seems to the 12th. Thanks, Richard Nowell (talk) 12:27, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

The non-free system does not give one a right to use any image at any size because it's unobtainable - all that is likely to do is to get a takedown notice from the copyright holder. The non-free image is supposed to give the user a flavour of the image, not be used for examining each nuance is high resolution. The guideline is to be about 100,000 pixels and low resolution. It is sometimes possible to claim a slightly bigger image where (for example) some small important item has been completely lost in the reduction - but I don't see that here. If one zooms in the image, the X scale is just readable enough to be used with any text you wish to use with the image. Your best way forward ia to get the copyright holder to release a free image at a bigger size and/or higher resolution and run that through the WP:DCM process.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:23, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for reply and reasoning. I will ask for free release from the ApJ and author in due course. Rgds, Richard Nowell (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Kathleen Neal Cleaver

Nice catch! Thanks for reverting my bad revert, I presumed Huggle would revert all edits by the IP, it didn't... so yea... thanks again :) - Rich(MTCD)^T|C|E-Mail 21:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

We all make the odd error from time to time :-) Actually 2 IPs from the same school!  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:59, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Recreation

Pimbongkod Chankaew has been recreated again, have a view. OccultZone (Talk) 14:46, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

It's a lot better than last time (couldn't have been much worse). Since it's explained that the winner has resigned and she has effectively taken over that would be OK - but, the refs don't say that.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Re this block, thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Request

Can you G7 Eugenio Suárez? --Yankees10 19:14, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:20, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--Yankees10 19:21, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you do Hunter Harvey?--Yankees10 00:19, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done - just caught me before I shut down for the w/e - time for some boating...  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:21, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--Yankees10 00:24, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Adam Duvall?--Yankees10 21:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:53, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--Yankees10 21:55, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Luke Jackson (baseball)?--Yankees10 19:41, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

201.198.168.150

I was just looking at the AIV report for this IP when you blocked. Considering that one user has been using this IP for years, including for creating sock puppet accounts, would it make sense to remove the "anon only" part of the block to prevent future sock puppetry? -- Ed (Edgar181) 19:36, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. Have done so.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

My changes

Hello,

You recently messaged me saying that I needed to fix my citing for the photos. I do not understand what exactly i have to do. I took the pictures myself as in Barry Richards. Please let me know how I fix these so that my photos can stay up.

Thank you very much

Barry "Reazar" Richards

@User:Thereazar

• File:Hall and Oates.jpg looks like an album cover - so copyright likely to be held by the record company - if not an album, it's certainly a derivative work.
• File:Barry Richards with the Turn On.jpg - some video case, again as above.
• File:BR with Led Zepplin and the Cactus.jpg is a photo of some press release, again some derivative work.

Taking a photo of an existing image does not transfer the copyright of that image to yourself, it's just a derivative of the original image - you need to find the date, country and thereby the copyright status of the original image (we cannot do that for you). It may well be that the original images are now public domain, but they need to have the correct PD license (WP:ICT/PD) and the original source before they can possibly remain.

You need to do the same with

• File:The Reazar and Alice Cooper.jpg which I missed.

AND

• File:The Reazar and Reazett ontop of Hollywood.jpg
• File:Reazar and Reazett.jpg

Could well be disputed as {{own}} unless you are claiming a camera on tripod with a delayed shutter - if so, you should say so. Remember copyright goes to the photographer, not the subject, unless there is a full signed release.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

 Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Ron,

The Alice Cooper is an autographed photo that I received from working with him, the Reazar and Reazett ontop of hollywood hills was taken by my iphone. Hall and Oates was taken from my camera but we just made it look nice like that for presentation. Lastly BR with Led Zepplin and the Cactus was in a newspaper but still my work. what do i do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thereazar (talk • contribs) 19:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Tricky - if any image is published before the Wikipedia upload, it always creates issues. If you are in the image, then there's more issues as (unless you have very long arms, you may not have pressed the shutter)

Alice Cooper photo - copyright belongs to Alice or his photographer

Hall and Oates - may be your camera (irrelevant) - who took it?

the Reazar and Reazett ontop of hollywood - again who took it?

The problem will be that if these get left as free images, then they will get the "move to commons" banner, and commons is far hotter on copyright.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

G7

Can you G7 Luke Jackson (baseball)?--Yankees10 19:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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Air Miles

Gooday Ron. I recently found some airmiles (replica 'banknotes', cheque-size vouchers measuring 15 x 7 cms) under the paper liner in a drawer - I bought a suit from Burton, I think in 1989! I thought I would add an image in the UK section (there is no such image on Commons or on the Wikipedia article). These would better-illustrate exactly what Air Miles were, as there is vagueness presently, and also establish the correct form of the company name, which is mis-quoted.

The brand is quoted as defunct in UK since 2011, but the article already has two logos, one with ™, one having ®. The vouchers I have are for 10 Air Miles (x2) and are very 'busy' with the flying boat logo (with floats, as seen on the Registered logo), several fonts, art - a Globe, 2 mini-logos with 0.001 p per mile, the correct company name and an 11 digit sequential number. On the obverse are T&C.

I anticipated a .jpg rendering showing both sides. Could you forsee any difficulties, as they are much-more than a logo, and would it need to be non-Commons under non-free? Thx, Steve.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Definitely non-free on en-wiki. Why not make a composite image (front and back) one above the other = an image of 15cm x 14cm, then reduce that to about 330 pixels wide (and just over 310 high) - that should be good enough to view and keep nicely to non-free guidelines. As an aside - not sure about the "Air Miles card" image on that page from commons - I think that will have to go, and have nominated it as such.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't see anything suitable in Category:Wikipedia non-free file copyright tags - suggest the catch all {{Non-free fair use}} will have to do (with a WP:FURG of course).  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:34, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Roger, WilCo. About what I envisaged - no chance of swerving that dreaded ResBot! 8¬) --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 01:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

John Durrant

Rui Gabriel Correia was very kind to point out that you removed a prod tag from John Durrant. On closer inspection, my BLP PROD tag does not apply because the article was created before March 2010 but I'd like your opinions on the matter before I send it to AfD.--Launchballer 12:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Never mind, saw the above. Off to AfD we go.--Launchballer 12:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Yesaji Kank

Hi! The subject article was deleted by you with reason (Expired PROD, concern was: No new information is presented in this article. Compared with the very limited information presented elsewhere.) I usually watch PRODs at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Article alerts and somehow this was transcluded yesterday itself and I couldn't glance the article. But I don't understand the reason; will every article with apparently no "new" information be deleted from WP? If "limited information" was presented elsewhere, why wasn't it redirected to that information? Is this so called limited info on wiki or off-wiki? Or did you have totally different reasons of yourself to delete this? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

My error (well not all mine) - the PRODer somehow posted a PROD template with a bad date - hence it showed that it was up for 7 days. I've restored it and adjusted the timestamp to give it it's full 7 days run. I'll notify the PRODer.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

deletion of John Durrant

This popped up on my watchlist. I think I might have been the creator, few years back. If this is the case, I wasn't notified on my talk of the prod, and as such I feel that I might have wanted to deprod this if I was made ware of it (I have over 5k items on my watchlist and can occasionally miss a prod notice or such). I'd like to ask you to either restore it with an AfD disccussion or userfy it in my userspace so I can look at it first. Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

No problem, it was yours - we'll just call it a "disputed PROD" - I will therefore restore it. It's up to the PRODer to decide if (s)he wants to go to AfD. The PROD template does say Please consider notifying the author/project: - but not all do, those that use Twinkle automatically do so, this was a manual insertion.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. We should really make this requirement obligatory; I've prodded hundreds of articles and I've always notified the uploader. Good practice, I think. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

For the record, I had no intention on violating any requirement or not observing it. I could swear that when I consulted the page history to look for the creator that I found a "Retired" banner on the userpage. It could be that I had more than one user page open at the time and mixed it up. My apologies to @Piotrus: for my lapse. It would be good if this could be done automatically to avoid these incidents. I know of Twinkle, have never used it and I believe you need certain privilege level to be allowed to use it - I could be wrong. Although I would probably have preferred the old fashioned common courtesy of leaving a personal note. So, like I said, it was a lapse. Ronhjones, thanks for your note and @Launchballer:, thanks for your efforts in trying to clear it up.

Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:38, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

You do not need any special privileges for WP:TWINKLE. I recommend downloading it; it's a fantastic tool which speeds up many mundane tasks like notifying uploaders. I take the view that it is mandatory installation for anyone nominating any more than a few articles for deletion a month.--Launchballer 19:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Jose Andres

Hello,

I was hoping you could please inform me If I'll be able to update the page with the information I was trying to change.

I am working with the company that wrote the original content.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sibrianb (talk • contribs) 14:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

The standard answer I always give is that WP:COI editing is strongly discouraged - the relevant paragraph is COI editing is strongly discouraged. COI editors causing disruption may be blocked. Editors with COIs who wish to edit responsibly are strongly encouraged to follow Wikipedia policies and best practices scrupulously. They are also encouraged to disclose their interest on their user pages and on the talk page of the article in question, and to request the views of other editors. If you have a conflict of interest, any changes you would like to propose that might be seen as non-neutral should be suggested on the relevant talk page or noticeboard.. So, in theory you can edit, but most editors don't like it, and it has to be done extremely carefully. The recommended route is to use paragraph 2 of Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects. My note to you was to show you how you could prepare to use text from another web site - there no point in suggesting a change if that would be copyright violation.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

G7

Can you do José Pirela and Rob Kaminsky when you get a chance?--Yankees10 23:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks.--Yankees10 23:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Please help bring sanity

You may recall me from Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2014_June_4#File:WugTest_NowThereIsAnotherOne_FairUseOnly.jpg. I do understand the importance of respecting copyright (being myself a consultant in intellectual property), but that goal is not served by robotic busybodies who don't know which end of the stick they've got hold of. An example would seem to Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_June_10#File:Rei-pub_neohantoni.png. A 200-year-old seal of a state of the United States is certainly PD, and a deletion "discussion" with but one participant isn't a discussion. A note on the talk pages of articles using the proposed-to-be-deleted file might be a smart idea. Could you please restore the file, and have a word with Mr. Stefan2? I'd do it myself but I've found that prior interactions with him aren't fruitful. EEng (talk) 02:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

If I restored it, Stefan2 would be there real quick. Since I didn't delete it, it would be best to talk to the deleting admin at User talk:TLSuda - the problem is that it has the wrong license - you had this text This image is ineligible for copyright and therefore is in the public domain, because it consists entirely of information that is common property and contains no original authorship - there's a shed load of original authorship in that image. You need to pick the correct one from WP:ICT/PD - {{PD-old}} might apply - did the creator die before 1913? - otherwise it could be {{PD-US}} - it's up to the uploader to do the research and decide on the correct license. {{PD-ineligible}} was not the correct one to use here.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:27, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

RE: Speedy Deletion of Files

These files were deleted from the Orthodoxy Cognate PAGE Society entry. The photos were taken by us and shows the activities of the organization. I hope you would allow these to be uploaded.

• File:With Indian Orthodox delegation at the Interparliamentary Assembly on Orthodoxy.png
• File:Coptic Orthodox Bishop honored.jpg
• File:OCP Society honors IAO.jpg
• File:Belorussian delegates with the icon of Three Saints.png
• File:At Interparliamentary Assembly on Orthodoxy Conference.jpg
• File:OCP Delegation with Oriental Orthodox Prelates.jpg

Theorthodoxchurch (talk) 08:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Files that have been uploaded elsewhere before uploading here need explicit permission from the copyright holder. This can only be done following one of the two methods at WP:DCM - either show permission on the web site, or send to OTRS. Permission will need to be at least CC-BY-SA. Once the permission has been verified, then the images can be quickly undeleted.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Copyright on Zanran image

Hi

Thanks for your message. I've emailed back to permissions-en@wikimedia.org giving what I hope is full permission to use the image, and confirming that I'm a Director of the company.

all the best

Jon

JonZanran (talk) 10:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I've changed the banner at File:Zanran query page.jpg to reflect that, and give OTRS enough time to process the e-mail.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

File:Heather Smith, Australian Author.jpg

Hi Ron,

We recently resolved an issue re: "File permission problem with File:Heather Smith, Australian Author.jpg", but that original note is still on my talk page.

Is it OK to delete it now the issue's been resolved? Wasn't sure of the WP/correct way of doing this? thanks.ThatWriterBloke (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:REMOVED - removing a message, indicates you have read it.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

G13

I've raised a question at WT:CSD about the use of G13 for userspace drafts. Perhaps you might be interested. DGG ( talk ) 22:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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Dame Yasmin Bevan

Hi there, you have recently removed the Yasmin Bevan page - could this please be restored immediately - so that I can then amend any mistake/ errors as necessary. Watkins89 (talk) 08:40, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Restored as contested PROD. Do note that the original PRODer may decide to go to WP:AfD instead.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sarah Fasha photos

Hi Ron, Thank you for your attention about the permissions but the problem I had permissions for all photos I uploaded to the article and I sent it already to the permission department long time ago without anyone answered me , so could you please help me to solve this problem to keep the photos and bring back the photos you already delete.--Ahmed Mohi El din (talk) 23:59, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

There is currently an issue with OTRS searching in that we cannot search for a url. However I did find just two letters from yourself

1. Ticket#2014032210006501 — permissions for Sarah Fasha - which I answered, and you did not reply to my note of 22/03/2014 12:41
2. Ticket#2014041010008261 — permission "This screenshot of Mr . David Levin", and you did not reply to the OTRS agent's note of 10/04/2014 12:26

As I said, we cannot accept images "for Wikipedia use only" - The license needs to be at least cc-by-sa-3.0 - but we need the release to come from the copyright holder - not yourself. This is usually the actual photographer who will own the copyright, unless the photographer has explicitly released in writing.

Do note that we will need a release for each photo you intend to use - they can all be listed on one e-mail, but must be fully listed by individual file names. There is no way these images can be on Wikipedia until the release has been given.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:09, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Olympiacos CFP, Olympiacos BC vandalism after vandalism

Hello Ronhjones, there has been extensive IP vandalism (combined with swearing) in the above-mentioned articles. I think it's for the best if they become semi-protected (so we can put a hold on all these IP vandals). Thank you for any help you can provide in this situation. Gtrbolivar (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I've done Olympiacos CFP for now. Olympiacos BC - there are a huge amount of editing - 20+ per day - are these all real or is the some POV editing going on? I don't know what version is the correct one.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:10, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Economy of Pakistan

My regrets, I unknowingly reverted you there. I thought I was reverting Bhardwaj which was edit-warring with multiple users there and other articles. I did not intend to call you a sock. Faizan 08:08, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I've been called worse, edit was probably a response to something at AIV, not of great importance. :-)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Versus You

Hi,

You have nominated my article for Copyvio, because of copyright issues but it isn't a direct copy, from somewhere I have to get informations or should I write a Fairytale and I also cannot invent a new language. Ok some parts can be similar but I don't now how to say that differently. Slowly I loose the patience to work on this wiki because everything i do, isn't good enough for anybody. That's the third or fourth time that my article maybe gets deleted. I am at my wit's end. --Irukandji85 (talk) 09:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Not quite - it was put up for a speedy copyvio by user:Justlettersandnumbers - I declined the speedy on the grounds that the whole article is not a copy - just some sentences, and changed it to normal copyright investigation for a possible clean up. Data from other sites has to be completely re-written in you own words, not just change a few words here and there  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 15:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Lapithas

There is a double redirect from Lapithas to Mount Lapithas. I was going to submit an edit request, but I noticed that you deleted the talk page. Should I recreate the talk page in order to request the edit? --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll sort it out when I get home (I don't use my admin account on a PC that can be shared)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 15:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

 Done  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

You deleted John Philbins page???? Seriously?? Why?

Aloha as we say here in Hawaii. I was looking up a very very famous actor- John Philbin- that apparently you decided because YOU don't know too much about him to delete his Wikipedia page! He is a semi-legend in the surfing world. Because of his staring role in the most famous of ALL Hollywood surfing based movies - North Shore which 80% off the 30 million + surfers around the world know of and quote on a daily bases. John Philbin! It was noted it was deleted because he didn't have more than one significant role??? go to IMDb, watch the movie Point Break- one of Americas favorites, where he was one of the main "bad" guys. Or the very important and a big time favorite American motion picture - Tomb Stone- again not just an extra but plays one of the main "bad guys", a character that is in the entire movie... He's had so many roles and again is known by 100% of everyone involved in the multi-billion dollar a year surf industry- the CEO's, the fans, the Pros etc... And also super well known the Movie industry in the USA. .. Anyways, His page in no way shape or form deserved to be deleted. I believe you deleted it right? So if you did you must please put it back up. He is a well known actor and has had over 50 rolls. Big and small- everything.. Point Break with Patrick Swayze and Keanu Reeves and Garey Busey! Just look at IMDb please. Seriously I can't believe you deleted it when you obviously don't know enough about him or these films he has been in. No hard feeling's, I am just blown away that an american actor that is so well known here in the USA is not on Wikipedia... I hope this message gives you some more information on something you clearly didn't know about. In the future please don't delete things just because you do not know much about it. I honestly just hope this helps you... Seriously Best wishes!!!! Robert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.208.187 (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Any PROD deletion can be restored by request. However I would note that it's a poorly written page and unlikely to survive.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:10, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I know this is going to seem awkward...

Hey there Ron... I notice you deleted Draft:Propulsion methods utilizing fuel accelerated from a remote fuel source as a G7. I'm afraid (despite the fact I flagged it for MfD and should obviously be grateful it's gone), that is not a valid deletion reason. The draft had multiple editors which completely invalidated G7. As such, might I ask you to restore it and let the MfD take its course? I won't blame you if you say no, and I won't be offended nor beg. I just would think it best to let it get deleted per the normal process and for a valid reason. If you're willing to entertain this, thank you, if not, that's fine as well and I hope you have a wonderful day (evening?) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 22:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

OK  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:45, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Thanks. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 22:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Definitely evening - almost midnight :-).  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:48, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

What significant content was added by any author other than the one requesting deletion? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

None. Can't say I understand what is going on, but I'm having a hard time caring at the moment. Still, in the interest of following through, I'll try to piece together what happened. Matthewhburch (talk) 00:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

• I started cleaning up the content not very long before it was deleted and intend to see what I can get out of the see also articles' references to try and make a stub at least out of this draft. But I'm hungry, and will likely not get back to it until tomorrow. The world won't end if it sits 5-6 more days for the MfD to conclude if I can't salvage at least a stub. :/ — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 23:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Not a great deal - but there is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3APropulsion_methods_utilizing_fuel_accelerated_from_a_remote_fuel_source&diff=614559843&oldid=614554754, and I missed the MfD notice already there. Why not let the MfD run it's course?  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:24, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

If User:Matthewhburch does not want it - why not wp:userfy to User:Technical 13 user space?  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Doing so would suggest bad faith on the part of Technical 13, since that user already MfD'd the page in question. I would prefer to assume that Technical 13 is acting in good faith. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

If userfying a page does what I think it does, Technical 13 is more than welcome to take it over. Matthewhburch (talk) 01:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, which part of this edit do you see as adding significant content? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:38, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Ronhjones & Demiurge1000 Part of the reason of wanting the db-self declined is also to ensure that the user in question doesn't get it deleted to avoid the MFD discussion only to have it restored 2 weeks later when nobody's watching. Having a validly ran MFD on the books for this submission arms the CSD:G4 trigger if the editor decides to try and pull a fast one. It has been my observation that the leading editor (prior to Technical 13) has a very unique way of interperting WP policy, rules, guidelines, practices, and consensus. I have little doubt that the editor's goal is to get this furvor over their behavior to die down and then do a round of WP:FORUMSHOPing to get the answer they want. Hasteur (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Hasteur, if I were to have ever chosen to attempt to implement the page again, it would be more in line with Wikipedia requirements now that I understand what this community has done to bastardize the term 'notable.' Matthewhburch (talk) 01:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Some of us are not on Wikipedia for furore (furvor? fervour? fervor?), nor indeed for the purpose of arming triggers. His article submission was declined, and he was argumentative about it. Let it go. If the material magically reappears in mainspace, it can be just as magically nuked. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)As I said - I missed the MfD - Hence I preferred to put it back. Technical 13 had started to rephrase some of it. As for my userfy suggestion - I would expect Matthewhburch to be asked first!  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Matthewhburch has been asked here, indirectly, and agrees. Matthewhburch (talk) 01:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll give a few hours for that to happen. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think it should be userfied to my user space at all. It is a collaborative effort and as such it should stay in draft space at this point. To do anything otherwise would imply that someone indeed OWNs the article. As I said above from my mobile phone when I was a bit soberer (I suppose that's a real word since my spell check isn't yellin' at me, although it sounds funny when you say it), it is in draft space, not article space, and letting the MfD run its course isn't going to kill anyone, and if I manage to cite even one or two more things to a reliable source and strip everything that is not citeable out and make a stub out of it, even better. I might suggest that it be moved to Draft:Remote fueling as that would be a more appropriate final destination (more of a layman's term so it isn't overly technical), and I can obviously do that myself, but I'll discuss it with the other editors interested in the draft on the draft's talk page first. Now, please excause me while I finish this whiskey and pass out... — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 00:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Be sure to consider the fact that a less wordy phrase will likely be considered a WP:NEO There is a discussion on the talk page behind the draft that starts by addressing this. A short term would be nice, but remember, it has to be famous, err 'notable'. LOL Matthewhburch (talk) 01:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

• Matt, I've considered it, and I've posted my thoughts on the draft's talk page. They key to remember here is that neologisms aren't prohibited if, and only if, they meet the inclusion criteria of: To support an article about a particular term or concept, we must cite what reliable secondary sources, such as books and papers, say about the term or concept, not books and papers that use the term. (emphasis mine) — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 01:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

There's no real problem with userfing so long as all agree. I've userfied several pages into another user's space - the contribution history is still intact, so there can never be a question of owning. If Matthewhburch does not want it in Draft, then I think we should respect his wishes.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Friendly request

While I'm here on your talk page Ron, I'm noticing that you have some font tags in your signature. I'm fairly confused why they are there as they don't seem to be doing much of anything. I've been going around to a few user's I've noticed with similar oddities in their signatures because as you may or may not be aware, thos tags are obsolete and we are warned not to use them by the things like MDN (there's a whole discussion on these tags on VPR if you are interested in learning more. As such, I've been asking editors if they might be interested in updating their signature, and if you are interested, I suggest replacing:

'''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid;color:#dfdfdf; padding:1px;background:#ffffdf"><span style="color:green;">&nbsp;Ron<span style="color:red;">h</span>jones&nbsp;</span></span>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones|&nbsp;(Talk)]]</sup>

with:

[[User:Ronhjones|<b style="border:1px solid #DDD;color:green; padding:1px 3px;background:#FFD">Ron<span style="color:red">h</span>jones</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:Ronhjones|(Talk)]]</sup>

which will result in a 183 character long signature (46 characters shorter) with an appearance of: Ronhjones ^(Talk)
compared to your existing 229 character long signature of:  Ronhjones  ^(Talk)
— Either way. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 00:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah - that's a very old set of HTML - 5-6 years old :-). I'll investigate tomorrow.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Tweaked to make it exactly the same as before. Replaced at commons as well. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

• Looks good, although if you just wanted a little more padding, you could have used: Ronhjones ^(Talk) which is five characters less than what you have. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 19:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

That's enough tweaks for now. At least it works. User:Ronhjones/Sandbox2 will soon fill up otherwise... :-) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

G7

Can you do Dariel Álvarez?--Yankees10 20:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I though it was quiet... ;-) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks man.--Yankees10 20:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Line drawing of gaff rigged Herreshoff H-12 sailboat.png

Hello, For now, the best solution may be that the file (Line drawing of gaff rigged Herreshoff H-12 sailboat.png) be deleted. I will re-upload once I have a clearly posted notice of copyright. Thank you for reviewing. ttrbbr (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

If you are getting permission via OTRS then no need to upload - nothing is ever deleted - just hidden Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for this information. I'll follow-up as soon as the CC copyright license is added to the image. If this is technically beyond the image owner, I will locate a similar image appropriately tagged with copyright. ttrbbr (talk) 23:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Olympiacos BC

Hello Ronhjones,

Apologies for my late reply to your earlier response and thank you for your help and your immediate attention. The vast majority of IP edits in Olympiacos BC are disruptive and unconstructive. There are many cases of blatant vandalism (combined with swearing): [2], [3], [4], [5] (and goes on and on). Moreover, if you look at the rest of the recent edits, you'll find out that the main purpose of almost every IP editor is to become the team's head coach. They change the starting five, they make their desired transfers, they move players from one position to another. There isn't a shred of real contribution to the article or to wikipedia for that matter. I strongly believe that the article should become semi-protected if we are to put a hold on this continuous vandalism. I really appreciate your help. Gtrbolivar (talk) 14:43, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

So many edits - one could not see the wood for the trees. Thank you for sorting out the reverts, page protected. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Ronhjones. Much obliged. Gtrbolivar (talk) 02:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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False accusation.

I did not vandalise the pteranodon Wikipedia page, the facts I stated are completely true. The noun 'Pterodactyl' IS a misnomer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakes709 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Did I say vandalise. I think not. I said WP:OR which is what that edit was. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jakes709: You may want to check, WP:TRUTH. You will know that just having the knowledge about some fact is not enough, and you have to back up with a reliable source. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Afd you might be interested in

Remember [6] ? I have nominated for Afd today, check Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Alpha Complex. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Also wanted to suggest that from next time we shall simply go for Afd than prodding the article again. Prod tag is taken seriously, but not as seriously as Afd. A user is allowed to remove PROD tag, I agree that there should be a legible reason, but no one really investigates the removal of PROD tag unless the article is violating copyright. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Added my comment on the deletion page. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:05, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Was assessing a few unassessed articles, found a expired prod, check Benazir Shaikh. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The week-end (and a lovely one it was here) rather gets in the way of editing - since I was mainly on the boat (and no internet). To be sorted tonight. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

You deleted Daniel Holms page... Why????

Daniel Holm is a fully professional football player who is in the first team squad of the biggest club in Denmark. Why the hell did you delete that page??

Kongen af fodbold (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Kongen af fodbold: You are talking about Daniel Holm or Daniel Holms, first clear that. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Daniel Holm expired PROD, failed WP:GNG --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

If no one contested a PROD (by removing the banner) it gets deleted (unless it an obvious vandal attack). PRODs can be contested post deletion and immediately restored - which I have done. Do note it's likely to go to WP:AfD instead. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

eRevMax

Hi

Just wanted to know about the deletion of eRevMax page in wikipedia.Is there any specific reason behind this?

thanks

Aparna — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chhuti writes (talk • contribs) 07:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Chhuti writes: you should check WP:Notability (companies). OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

There is always a reason - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ERevMax&action=edit&redlink=1 - If you object I can restore on request, but almost certainly the deletion proposer will take it to WP:AfD for a final decision. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

G7

Hate to bother you again but can you do Kennys Vargas? I swear that I will stop bothering you soon.--Yankees10 20:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't make promises you won't keep. LOL Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I swear theres only a few more! Ha ha, Thanks again.--Yankees10 21:38, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Let It Be Musical.jpg

Please restore this file. It was nominated after an editor replaced with a new file, this was reverted on 27 June and reinstated where it remained in the article until an ip removed again on 30 June. It was not therefore unused for 7 days. I would also state that per the infobox guidance for infobox musical it should be the earliest possible production image. The one the ip is trying to promote is in fact not the earliest but the one from the latest production so the new image is incorrect, and the old one has been deleted.Blethering Scot 15:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

OK. Restored and swapped image on page. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Prods, articles by blocked user

• VGTM
• R. K. Raghavan
• Anindita Nayar

See :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Nitishkumartn

What about this? :-

• Conduct of Elections Rules, 1961(India)

Maybe, a redirect is enough, no prod. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

All now gone. Well done. Also File:Aninditanayar.jpg Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

2 3(guess 4th will be there soon) pages recreated again. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 20:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

And never again ;-) Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

why u delete anindita?

i created my account only for anindita nayar as i am fan of her. i am new to wikipedia? and what is this sockpuppetry? --Scottbrew (talk) 20:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

See

• • Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nitishkumartn
  • Wikipedia:Sock puppetry

I don't usually process sock accounts - some will soon. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:55, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

2011 census of India and Jammu and Kashmir should be protected for now, even for 24 hours. I am sure that Callanecc will block all these socks anytime soon. So these socks will not remain, if there will be any, it will be something new. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 21:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

OK Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:45, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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Replacement photo of subject

Thanks for correcting the info box currently on Bill O'Neill (media). I would like to replace his older photo with one taken yesterday but now I am having trouble finding it. I know it is stored in Wikipedia commons and I recall the name I gave it was Bill O'Neill in 2014. Can you help him replace the current photo or maybe have the new one slotted in somewhere on the page. Thanks. Perplexed12 (talk) 11:51, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

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File permission problem with File: HowardMarkel, headshot.jpg

Hello Mr. Ronhjones,

Thank you for your reminder regarding the need to forward permission given to me by the owner of image File:HowardMarkel, headshot.jpg. I forwarded permission to permissions-en@wikimedia.org as you instructed. However, the image has been deleted from the Howard Markel wikipedia page. Could you please restore the image (if it is within your purview to do so)?

Thank you, WolverineHistorian — Preceding unsigned comment added by WolverineHistorian (talk • contribs) 13:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The message at OTRS is only 4 days old and is still in the queue - the OTRS pending notice had been in place on the image for more than 60 days. When OTRS has enough evidence of suitable permission then they will undelete it when they apply the OTRS ticket. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

File:KeithScrambleCampbell.jpg deleted

Hello, Thank you for taking the time to delete the image from the Scramble Campbell article. I am sorry I missed your message about the copyright. This image has been granted public domain for wiki display and I for the life of me can not find how to make this apparent, tons of documentation I know, still I cant seem to find out what I need to do? Was it just some info I neglected to add to the image page?

Here is the original info. I hope I am not wasting your time... I am having many issues with this page:

20:23, 19 May 2014 RMJams (talk | contribs) uploaded "File:KeithScrambleCampbell.jpg" (Keith Scramble Campbell live performance paints at Red Rocks Amphitheatre during a String Cheese Incident concert in 2012.

)

Here is additional info, If I need to have the photographer fill out a form is there a link to that form?

Page:https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.255216604589708.52177.224956074282428&type=3

Image https://www.facebook.com/SpadyPhotography/photos/a.255216604589708.52177.224956074282428/255218107922891/?type=3&theater

Photo by Spady Photography © The String Cheese Incident 2012

Red Rocks, July 5th, 2012 © Spady Photography 2012

Thanks! RMJams (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Simply put there is a choice...

1. Add this code shown at http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?license_code=by-sa&jurisdiction=&version=3.0&lang=en to the web site the image is being shown - but the web site should be related (domain name...) to the copyright holder (usually the photographer
2. Get the copyright holder to send in the form at WP:CONSENT to permissions@wikimedia.org, again from an e-mail domain that relates to the copyright holder.

A full explanation can be seen at WP:DCM Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Vegard Breen

Why did you delete Vegard Breen's page that I created? He's on three or four other wikipedias and is on one of the top cycling teams in the world. He is notable enough. Can you please re-create the page? I work hard to make the cyclist pages. --Old Time Music Fan (talk) 16:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Any PRODed article may be objected by anyone, just by removing the notice. If deleted then it may be restored as a "contested PROD" (I will do so). Note that the original nominator will probably start a WP:AfD discussion. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:20, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks:)--Old Time Music Fan (talk) 23:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Tom Mison Page

Hello -- I wanted to follow up on the Tom Mison wiki page and the photo deletion message that you sent to me. I'm at a loss on what exactly I need to provide to keep the photo up on the page. I was granted verbal permission by the owner of the photo - a fan who snapped it at a public event. It is not a professional or otherwise copyrighted photo. Please advise on what form, etc. the owner needs to complete so we can keep the photo on the page. Thanks so much!

Lucybee13 (talk) 13:22, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The procedure is at WP:DCM - if it's never been published elsewhere then the need to have an associated domain address does not, of course, apply. Professional or not makes not difference and full copyright rights are granted as soon as the person presses the shutter - for 70 years post the photographer's death. The easiest way is to get the photographer to create an account on commons and upload it himself. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Deleted page, please restore.

You have deleted page Nappturality. Please restore it immediately so it can be reviewed for accuracy. "Non-notable neologism" which I do not accept. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nappturality 49.193.191.196 (talk) 06:39, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like it's already been done. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

CSI: Chicago deletion

You just deleted the fake CSI: Chicago article, and the editor has now recreated it. Just what we need. --Drmargi (talk) 21:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the earlier delete R. Looks like we have some trolling going on with this so the article might need salting. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 22:53, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Salted Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. An IP that may or may not be the same person tried to divert attention by creating an AFD here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CSI: Chicago. As you will see it is malformed and isn't going to accomplish anything. I add the speedy tag but if that isn't the proper thing to do just let me know and I will remove it. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Ron. Marnette's G3'd a third version, attached to AfD, I see. I don't know whether this is a troll or someone totally lacking in clue, but what a nuisance. --Drmargi (talk) 00:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

He's not going to get it in article space - I suppose he might go for user sub-page - wait and see. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:29, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thumb's up as it were :-) Enjoy the rest of your week. MarnetteD|Talk 19:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

deletion of Comparison of computer hardware market products

Please would you reinstate the Comparison of computer hardware market products page.

This is the beginning of a page with useful information about the current computer market for reference by people who may be viewing pages such as List of computer hardware manufacturers, List of flash memory controller manufacturers and List of solid-state drive manufacturers.

If you don't wish to reinstate the page in it's infancy, then please would you reinstate it to User:Mattmill30/Comparison_of_computer_hardware_market_products.

Many thanks, Mattmill30 (talk) 20:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I've userfied it - it just would not survive otherwise - User:Mattmill30/Comparison of computer hardware market products - do note the comments in the original PRODs (there are two) - view at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mattmill30/Comparison_of_computer_hardware_market_products&oldid=616274621 Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:17, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

AK Plaza

Hello. I see that you've deleted the article because of an expired PROD. From my experiences in Korea, I know that there is enough notability to keep this article, but the article may have not been up to Wikipedia standards. If possible, could I get a copy of the Wikipedia article before it was deleted to expand upon it? Thanks. KJ ^{«Click Here»} 22:34, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Counting this as a prod challenge, I have restored it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@User:Kkj11210 You need to sort out some references for it, as it has none. You may find that it will get put up for WP:AfD - personally, I would move it to a sub page of your user name (User:Kkj11210/AK Plaza), so you can improve it at your leisure. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll move it to my sandbox. KJ ^{«Click Here»} 04:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Not quite right - it was a "cut and paste" - I've fixed it. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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Steven W. Taylor

Ron

I am Justice Steven W. Taylor

You deleted my photo from the Wikipedia page. The photo belongs to me. It is widely used for all my public communications, press releases, etc. It is a part of my official court website. it is public property. Cannot understand why it was deleted. Please restore it. Please.

my court email is steven.taylor@oscn.net you can find my website by Google. I can put you in touch with our communications department if you have nay questions or seek further verification.

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Sox728 (talk) 02:03, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

The file page said Source = www.oscn.net (Oklahoma Supreme Court website). The only license I can find on that site is on http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/SimpleHelp.asp?HelpContextID=84 - © 1997-2014 by The Oklahoma Supreme Court Network. All Rights Reserved. . That makes it unsuitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. The file page did have an {{OTRS pending}} notice attached, but no one in the last 60 days has got the permission approved at OTRS. You must realise that all editors are effectively anonymous and we have no way within Wikipedia of proving who you are. Thus we have a procedure to donate the copyright of the image so that it can be used here. The details are explained at WP:DCM. When either the web image has a correct license or the permission is received at OTRS, then it can be easily restored. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Front_Sight_Nevada_Property_Layout_2014.png

Why was Front_Sight_Nevada_Property_Layout_2014.png deleted? I had claimed it as fair use, which I still think it is. However, I also got permission from the President of the company who holds the copyright. I emailed it in as instructed and the image got deleted? Michaelcox (talk) 07:28, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

It was tagged as "replaceable" by User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, and no one objected to that tag - There was no evidence of permission on the image. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:33, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

TeamCity page deletion

You deleted the TeamCity page. It seems likely that you did not look at other pages that linked to it or that you are not aware that it is a product from a company that makes extremely popular IDE products. Or you have an axe to grind.

Please put that page back.

Encyclopedant (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

It was deleted as an expired PROD - no one objected to it going. I see it's now at User:Encyclopedant/TeamCity Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Jan Linton page

Dear Ron

Please reinstate the Jan Linton page. I have been following and researching this subject for a few years and have noted several documented links to the page. I am sorry if you thought this wasn't enough for the WPO bio guidelines but I recall there were several media references on the page.

Richard Baro Richardbaro (talk) 07:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Any PRODed article may be objected by anyone, just by removing the notice. If deleted then it may be restored as a "contested PROD" (I will do so). Note that the original nominator may start a WP:AfD discussion. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:40, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Image issue

Hi Ron, This image was uploaded as self created but it's also the cover of this book. And appears in other places on the web. [7] [8] [9] [10] Suggestions?-- — Keithbob • Talk • 23:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyvio? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Guru-Presented-Maharishi-Mahesh-Yogi/dp/095622282X says 2009 as publish date - lets see what commons does with it. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:32, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. -- — Keithbob • Talk • 00:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Reactivate a page?

Hi, there -

I understand my company's wiki page, Four Day Weekend, has been removed due to lack of sources/citations. I now have more online articles I can use to support the information we had posted and am wondering if it would be possible to reactivate our page. I'd rather not have to start from scratch, but if the page is gone forever, I can. Thought I would start here first. Thanks for any light you can shed on this!

- Jessica

107.218.233.253 (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

I can restore it as a contested PROD - no problem. I would suggest that it be restored as a user's sub page - otherwise there is a chance that it could be put up for a full deletion (WP:AfD}. So your choice.

1. Plain restore
2. Restore to a user sub page.

If the latter I need to know the username - if you create one, keep it anonymous and not like a group or company name (Wikipedia:Username policy). Do also note the COI policy WP:COI. Let me know what you want to do. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Page "Harmeet Singh Sooden" Deleted

Hello,

The page Harmeet Singh Sooden was deleted as a result of WP:ONEEVENT - the event in question was 2005-2006 Christian Peacemaker hostage crisis. The deletion seems to be justified as the page content was sparse. However, I was wondering whether the page could be restored so additional information can be added, for example:

• 2004 - Was a volunteer for International Solidarity Movement in the West Bank.
• 2005 - Was linked to a government investigation of a defence contractor alleged to be selling military equipment to Israel illegally: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10112576 and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10374200.
• 2006 - Called for the release of the journalists kidnapped in the 2006 Fox journalists kidnapping: http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast/thursday-august-17-816291/video.
• 2008 - As a volunteer for International Solidarity Movement was forcibly removed from Israel: http://www.stuff.co.nz/495833/Activist-deported-to-NZ-from-Israel.
• 2009 - Was one of 250 Canadians who risked charges under Canada’s anti-terrorism legislation for contributing towards a plane ticket for Abousfian Abdelrazik: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadians-defy-law-in-bid-to-bring-home-one-of-their-own/article17940485/.
• 2009 - Returned to Iraq with the Christian Peacemaker Teams: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/activist-harmeet-sooden-return-iraq-317476.
• 2010 - Was investigated by Special Investigation Group, a counter-terrorism unit, for what appear to be political reasons: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0812/S00364.htm.
• 2011 - Was involved with and participated in Freedom Flotilla II as a New Zealand representative: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kiwis-join-aid-flotilla-gaza-4185345.

Thank you.

Wikimuntu (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I've moved it to User:Wikimuntu/Harmeet Singh Sooden as a draft for you to improve. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ronhjones. I've finished editing the page. I have a few more things to add but it should be in a publishable state now. Just wondering what the next steps are. Thanks, again.Wikimuntu (talk) 23:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Two choices...

1. Click that green link in the banner on the page - that will add it to a queue for review, a reviewer will review the page and either approve of suggest improvements.
2. Move the article back yourself - you do run the risk that someone won't like it.

Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

File permission

Thank you for your reminder regarding the need to forward permission given to me by the owner of image File:FredericaWilliams.jpg. The owner forwarded permission to permissions-en@wikimedia.org on 7/10/2014. Would it be possible to restore the image? 1290tremont (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

It's in the queue to be reviewed. It can take up to 3 weeks, once the permission has been approved, they will restore the image when they issue the OTRS ticket. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:20, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

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Nabi Su - Sub Page and Draft Article Request

You sent me the text of the Nabi Su article as it was before it was deleted - Thank You!!! You also wrote: "If you prefer - I can restore as a sub page of your user name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userfy And turn it into a draft article to edit and improve." Yes, I would really appreciate it if you did that. Please turn it into a draft article for me to edit and improve. Thank you very much for sending me the article's text and doing this. Mary Vaccaro (talk) 21:34, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Done Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:30, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Dragon Dream experimental cargo air ship.jpg

Hello Ronhjones, That you for your help with File:Dragon Dream experimental cargo air ship.jpg I have some further adjustments. Please if you could review the file page and if you feel the file passes requirements, 1). Append the license tag with |image has rationale=yes 2). U1 the older versions (I still cannot figure how to tag a version of a file for CSD) I may have gotten it tagged correctly. Thank you in advance. Cheers Mlpearc (open channel) 02:24, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

The {{Orphaned non-free revisions}} takes care of the old versions - it adds it to a special page, and I have a script to delete all the images (except the current one). All sorted out now. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:54, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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Request to re-add removed article Stuart John Wood

Please re-add the article removed by yourself named Stuart John Wood ( also known as Stuart Woody Wood) who IS an original member of world famed pop/ rock band The Bay City Rollers and is still active in music with a global fan following today. You may have been misled by photo's placed on the article named Bay City Rollers which have been mislabeled. These photo's only show ONE original/ Classic 5 Bay City Rollers band member ( les mckeown)whose current musicians have nothing to do with and ARE NOT the 1970s globally successful Bay City Rollers band. The correct performing name for this tribute band is Les Mckeowns Legendary Bay City Rollers. This being my first post I hope follows your requested procedures, Thankyou 2Infome2 (talk) 14:39, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Restored as a contested PROD. It's going to need improvement if it's going to remain on en-wiki. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou - just learning how to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.15.228 (talk) 02:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Ilovethewikis/Honey

hi dear why delete my own work page is the incomplete and i have permission from admins --Vigyani_talk^{ਯੋਗਦਾਨ} GedUK  so please don't disturb me Ilovethewikis (talk). — Preceding undated comment added 02:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

It was deleted a second time by User:RHaworth - maybe you should discuss this with the deletion nominators Rosario Berganza and Vigyani. The version I deleted was a pure promotion page. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)