Tonymetz

Pestering

I don't understand why you not only pester Fred Zepelin by restoring posts he has removed from his talkpage, but also involve yourself in his disagreement with Biohistorian15. Just leave him alone, as he has asked you to do. Bishonen | tålk 03:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

You took one side of the debate and I took the other . That’s how consensus is reached Tonymetz 💬 15:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

What? No, you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. I'm not taking any side in any debate. (Debate about what?) I'm warning you about harassment as an admin action. Same thing as I did with Biohistorian15. Bishonen | tålk 16:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

The debate is about Biohistorian15 raising a WP:Hounding concern on User:Fred_Zepelin's talk page. You said that Biohistorian15 should not do that, I said it was appropriate

If a user can threaten admin action (WP:USERTALKSTOP) immediately when an issue is brought to the Talk page, what is the point of the talk page or WP:RUCD?

The more practical question is : there are users trying to help improve collaboration with User:Fred Zepelin . Can you offer a constructive way to do so? Is this approach WP:AGF? Tonymetz 💬 16:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Also it would help to ad "admin" to your sig and if you are threatening people with "admin" action make that overt. I honestly didn't realize you were an admin until just now. Are you saying that since you're admin that we are not allowed to discuss things? Tonymetz 💬 17:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No admin has the word "admin" in their sig. (If one did, I'm convinced they would be attacked for "threatening" to use their admin power every time they spoke to anybody.) You seem very interested in WP:RUCD,[3][4][5][6] but I advise you to stop trying to twist it into support for your notion that it's inappropriate for a user to ask somebody to stop posting on their talkpage. The difference between your view and Fred Zepelin's isn't some technicality from WP:RUCD, but simply that Fred denies having hounded anybody, while you seem to take it for granted that he has. Fred is offended by the accusation, and so he tells Biohistorian not to come back. It's very simple, and is the kind of thing that happens on hundreds of user talkpages every day. It should be followed by Biohistorian not posting on Fred's page again, and indeed so far he has not. That seems to offend you, and you can't leave it alone. This may be because of some old bad blood between you and Fred — I wouldn't know about that, and I can't say I care — but you should in any case stop trying to fan the embers of the conflict between Fred and Biohistorian through what you call a "debate". No, I'm not saying you're not allowed to "discuss things", I'm saying you need to stop pestering Fred Zepelin on his page. Bishonen | tålk 18:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC).

I don't appreciate your condescending insinuations. I don't believe you are living up to your role here. You should do a better job at gathering context. Even the "restoring posts" reference you've exaggerated . And you didn't take the time to see the context of that single restoration. Tonymetz 💬 19:04, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

"pestering", "bad blood" , "offended" -- these condescending insinuations degrade the admin role. do better. What's the next step here? Are you going to try to help resolve the dispute? Tonymetz 💬 19:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't appreciate you stirring up conflict like this

again did you read the context? Tonymetz 💬 19:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

but simply that Fred denies having hounded anybody, while you seem to take it for granted that he has

@Biohistorian15's claim is warranted it's not just a matter of opinion.See these interactions there are 4 articles and 2 talk pages that indicate WP:WIKIHOUNDING

it's important that when behavior issues are reported on the talk pages that they are given credence.

You are an admin and the expectation is that you will address all parties concerns not only one Tonymetz 💬 00:17, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Bishonen i know we were distracted with the ANI but @Biohistorian15 has a a legit complaint about WIKIHOUNDING . I stepped in to support because I experienced the same to a lesser degree, and noticed other complaints on user talk page and ANI

Can an admit look into that and come up with a verdict? The evidence warrants at least a review. Tonymetz 💬 22:51, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm done with it. Bishonen | tålk 06:28, 11 April 2024 (UTC).

Ok fair enough I can sympathize. Thanks for responding. I'll focus my efforts on the policy and see if there's CONSENSUS there Tonymetz 💬 16:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Fred Zepelin (talk) 02:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Old content 2016

You might want to change that. Doug Weller talk 12:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks for that. yeah I forgot that was there. It was for an old startup. I'll clean it out once the ANI wraps up so people don't jump to any conclusions Tonymetz 💬 17:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It's just one section. Could just remove the hat and leave the section there. Or add __TOC__ above it so that the table of contents shows up outside of it. Eventually you'd probably want to set up an WP:ARCHIVE bot, but this talk page is a bit small for that right now, so not needed yet. –Novem Linguae (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't get __TOC__ working but I did set up sigmabot and open the hat back up. Let's see how the archives work out.

If you can get __TOC__ working on my talk page go ahead and add it. I'm thinking maybe doesn't work on talk? I tried __FORCETOC__ too Tonymetz 💬 16:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

thanks for the tip the archive bot did help to clean it up. very cool Tonymetz 💬 17:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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Tony, please respond here. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 17:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

thanks for pinging me. I think the first ping was not received because WP tags are case-sensitive. (my username is red-linked on the other page) Tonymetz 💬 19:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF). This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Revert

Your revert [7] of an IP with one edit restored an edit that violated WP:NOTAFORUM and WP:CIV as well as being nonconstructive. We get a massive number of edits like this daily and they are removed. O3000, Ret. (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

thanks for the guidance. In the future can you write a better description with those points? only "undid" was shown, with no reasoning. Tonymetz 💬 23:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

True. We delete so many it becomes automatic. O3000, Ret. (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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