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Discuss whether Nxavar's edit to Introduction to general relativity was vandalism

I have been in Wikipedia for more than four years, although I did not immediately create an account. I have also devoted a lot of time on reading the articles about Wikipedia policies. While my edit to the Introduction to general relativity certainly had issues and I should have thought more before making it, it is an extreme to be called vandalism. For that reason I demand an apology on your behalf. Nxavar (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The message template I posted said your edit "did not appear to be constructive". The sentence appeared to me to be gibberish, so I reverted it. Word etymology doesn't really belong in most WP articles, as WP is not a dictionary. I think you said it best when you said you "should have thought more before making it". Please do continue to contribute, though! This is a community effort that depends it's editors to flourish. UncleBubba (Talk) 19:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
My complain was about the descpription of your edit in the history page. Also, please note that it was not me the one who gave the etymology, I just tried to give the correct word (diairein instead of daiein which is a non-existent word) and a hint about how it is pronounced since it really is gibberish for English language speakers. Nxavar (talk) 15:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I use an automated tool (Twinkle, or TW) to do much of my editing work and I have a choice of reverting a questionable edit or removing vandalism. I try to assume good faith but the text just didn't make sense to me when I read it (and "diairein" sounded really close to another word that we don't want there). In fairness, I reverted the entire topic in a different edit that didn't mention you. UncleBubba (Talk) 19:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Well, do not forget that I wrote how the word is pronounced. I think you should have started a discussion in the talk page or just stick with "reverting a questionable edit". Labeling the edit as vandalism was too much. In general, that label should be used with great caution and maybe it should be used only for extreme cases that can only be described as such. In other cases the polite "questionable edit" label seems more appropriate. After all, since the practical end result is the same why not be a little polite? Nxavar (talk) 23:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I suppose that your last comment (which should be in this section, not the "Case Insensitivity" section) means that you accidentally labeled the edit as vandalism because of your unfamiliarity with the software. If that is so, thank you for the apology. I would also suggest that you read the "What is not vandalism" section in the Wikipedia:VAND article. I think that you too have to read the Wikipedia policies. Nxavar (talk) 00:25, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
No, it was intended as a humorous reply to your comment about case-sensitivity and was in the correct section. You should not make the mistake of assuming I do not know the proper place to insert a comment. Neither should you assume I am unfamiliar with the software I use or with WP policies. I did not accidentally label your edit vandalism; I saw you had inserted a word that looked very much like a misspelling of "diarrhea" and I reverted it. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, it probably is a duck. If you hit "Save" without previewing and carefully proofreading your edit, you are probably not going to get the results you want. If it makes you feel better to read this as an apology--which it is not--then so be it; I ain't gonna argue with you. Personally, I think you'd realize a better return on your time if you read the WP:MOS. UncleBubba (Talk) 01:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
You should notice that "diairein" is supposed to be a Greek word and then check if it really existed to see if the fact that it sounds like "diarrhea" is just a coincidence. But then again I wrote how it should be pronounced, from which it should be clear to you that my intentions were not to imply "diarrhea". I really cannot see why you rushed to come to the conclusion that I was vandalising. There certainly were reasons for you to think that even if it looked like a duck, walked like a duck, and sounded like a duck it might not be a duck. I also wonder why suddenly something that peviously just looked gibberish to you and was reverted because "word etymology doesn't really belong to most WP articles" now sounds very much like "diarrhea" and was reverted because it was considered vandalism. Nxavar (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
And just how--exactly--was I to know it "is supposed to be a Greek word"? Is this the Greek Wikipedia? No. Did you use the accepted APA pronunciation tools? No, you did not. If you want to write "how it should be pronounced", then great! Do so! But use the tools provided for this purpose; do not assume a reader will know the difference between your intent and your actions.
This is really getting tedious. Rather than wasting time trying to convince me that my actions (which I've already explained in excruciating detail) were in error, why not try to learn something from this? Follow the process and you'll do fine; don't and you won't. Just like life, it's as simple as that. UncleBubba (Talk) 16:51, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The sentence in the parenthesis read: "from Greek "geo", Earth, and "diairein" pronounced "thihaereen", to divide". It is prety clear to me that "from Greek" means that the following words are Greek. Also, the point that I try to make is that my edit was wrongly considered vandalism not that it was perfect or that it shouldn't have been reverted. The fact that I didn't use the accepted APA pronounciation tools although it is an acceptable excuse for a revert it is not an acceptable excuse for labeling an edit as vandalism. You can look down on the way I choose to give the right pronounciation but you cannot deny that I tried to give a pronounciation, which means I didn't want people to read the word "diairein" like "diarrhea", neither can you say that not giving the pronounciation in APA form is equivalent to vandalism. Ergo, why vandalism? Nxavar (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
If you have nothing more to add then I think I will add another case in the list "What is not vandalism" in the Wikipedia:VAND article giving the example of "diairein", the object of this discussion, which, although an actuall Ancient Greek word, sounds like "diarrhea" and may be considered vandalism, like in your case. I still believe though that you could have understood by yourself that I wasn't vandalising, even though my case was not specifically mentioned in the list of "What is not vandalism" and that an apology is a proper response on your part. Also, I checked it out and it is not APA, it is IPA. Nxavar (talk) 10:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

The interesting thing about this thread is that, although early on you admitted your actions were careless, you seem loathe to accept the events were entirely the results of your actions. If I spray paint a word on a wall, it's likely to be seen as vandalism, regardless of whether or not my intentions at the time were good.

While your intentions may have been to give a pronunciation, you did it in such a way that it looked like vandalism. Did you use the Wikipedia tools for including pronunciation descriptions? No. You protested that it was a Greek word but did you insert your text in Greek? No.

More to the point, did you stop to consider why, in an article titled "An Introduction to General Relativity" (and clearly labeled as a simple-to-understand synopsis), there should even be such a detailed description as this.

Step back, man--look at the forest!

Nevertheless, submit your edits to the guideline pages if you wish; that's your job as an editor. Please remember, however, that there are people that will take a dim view if you try to carry this discussion/argument/debate into that venue without good reason.

Nxavar, I really do hope you eventually learn how to avoid this sort of trouble in the future. A couple of suggestions, if I may: If spelling is not your strong suit, get a browser with a spellchecker (e.g. Firefox). Misspelled words can truly diminish the weight of your argument. When you're editing Talk pages, please indent your responses as I've done so above--it makes the conversation so much easier to follow.

BTW, good catch on the IPA/APA thing. At the time, I had been editing APA citations; I guess got 'em confused. Oh, well... UncleBubba (Talk) 21:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I think I said it enough times but apparently I have to say it again. This is not about whether or not it was a good idea for you to revert my edit. It is about characterizing the edit as vandalism for God's sake! If you insist on your opinion that you were right to describe my edit as vandalism you should use actual arguments and respond to my arguments on the subject. Using metaphors without explaining which is which is not responsible on your part. Also note that careless actions are not vandalism. You cannnot "carelessly" spay paint a word on a wall.
As I said in my previous comment, to which apparently you did not pay much attention, not giving the pronouciation in the right form was something that justified a revert but that cannot be considered vandalism. The same can be said about the form in which I gave the Greek word, although you have certainly run into etymologies that give the Greek word only in English letters. As a matter of fact, the previous form of the etymology was giving the words in English letters and nobody had a problem with that. It was there for one and a half years (since 2:43 17 September 2008) and made by Markus Poessel who, judging from his talk page and his contributions, is a respectable contributor and not a one hit vandalist. It should also be noted that noone had a problem for that one and a half year that an etymology for the word geodesic was present in the article and I really think that the correctness of adding an etymology to a non-technical and introductory article is a matter of opinion. One could argue that etymologies are a good way to explain something new to the uninitiated and as such can be justified as a part of an intoductory article.
Anyway, I thought that the really annoying thing about my edit that caused you to label it as vandalism was that "diairein" sounded like "diarrhea". I suppose you understood that you should not have been quick to make that judgement.
Please read carefully my answer before responding. This conversation will certainly move faster if you don't repeat arguments that I have already answered. I also hope that you understand what I have said since my first comment: "While my edit to the Introduction to general relativity certainly had issues and I should have thought more before making it, it is an extreme to be called vandalism". Which means that this discussion is supposed to be about why my edit was considered vandalism, not about why it was reverted. What you say from now on must show that my edit wasn't just bad but that it was definately vandalism. Otherwise you should apologize for labeling my edit as such. Which is what you will probably do because if there really was an argument that showed that my edit was definetely vandalism you would have used it from the beginning and in your case this was about the way "diairein" sounded, to which I have already answered.
As for the identation, there are people that don't think it is a good idea to add an ident after every comment. In many of the Wikipedia discussion pages you can find people that do not add an extra ident to their comment if the previous contributor has done so to his and among them are respectable users with many contributions to Wikipedia. But, since it is silly to start an edit war on the matter of identation and this is supposed to be your talk page, I will accept your suggestion.
As for my spelling, I am well aware that I don't make terrible mistakes and I don't think they can really distract you from understanding my arguments. Also, you shouldn't judge another person on his spelling strength but rather on his arguments. Is it a Wikipedia policy to speak and write perfect English in order to be an accepted contributor? After all, this is a talk page, not a Wikipedia article. Nxavar (talk) 08:13, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
I am becoming convinced that you really enjoy beating this dead horse. However, if you are trying to maintain a civil tone, using phrasing like, "to which apparently you did not pay much attention" is probably not the best way to obtain cooperation from someone else.
While it is unlikely one could carelessly spray-paint a word on a wall, carelessly spray-painting a wall is a simple thing that can--and does--happen, and it can make a real mess. In the small amount of time I have to donate to the project, I examine hundreds of edits, some of which are honest or innocent mistakes and some of which turn out to be vandalism, which I treat as such. In the last few days, I've removed "penises" and "waxing your pubes" from Evolution [1], gotten rid of "nipples" and "wanking rabbits" from Natural Selection [2], halted H. G. Wells' attempts to "fuck" a "sexy bitch" after "striping her bra", and "liking her puccy" [3], and changed a "butt face" back to a troll [4]. I always try to assume good faith but if I performed an exegetical analysis on each one, my productivity would be drastically reduced and my contribution of time to the encyclopedia project would be effectively nullified, which is unacceptable to me.
My suggestion about spelling was not intended to insult you; it was a suggestion I thought might help you present your argument(s) better in the future. Some people naturally spell well and some do not. (English may not even be your native tongue, in which case I'd say your English is a helluva lot better than my whatever_language_you_speak.) My point was simply that presented with two statements:
  • "You have made a real mess of the area; I need you to clean it up."
and
  • "yoo have made a reel messs if the aria; i nead yuu to clene is up."
serious people will tend to pay more attention to the former than the latter. The bottom line, though, is that it's free advice; take it or leave it. To me, though, poor spelling or grammar is distracting, although I was able to understand what you wrote.
Try to cut us "cleanup editors" a little slack, please; dealing with the daily flood of malicious edits is bad enough. My advice to you is to pay careful attention to your edits, use the "Preview" button, and decide before you type whether the change you're making is an improvement or not. The only way Wikipedia improves is be everyone working to make it so. If you ever want a really eye-opening experience, try patrolling the recent changes list or, better yet, the high-vandalism list [5] and reverting the bad edits. UncleBubba (Talk) 09:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
UncleBubba, this is definitely not a dead horse. It is more of a horse that refuses to die although it is constantly being hit. Just look at the status of your arguments (new ones not included).
UncleBubba
  • "The sentence appeared to me to be gibberish" argument: down
  • "diarrhea" argument: down
  • "How was I supposed to know it was a Greek word" argument: down
  • "not giving the Greek word in Greek" argument: down
  • "giving the pronounciation in the wrong form" argument: down
  • "This is not a place for etymologies" argument: down
What I understand from the above is that this discussion is very probable to end in my favor. The fact that you always come up with some arguments does not mean that you must be right or that the discussion is even. You need at least one good argument to end this discussion or say that there are arguments for both sides and the discussion is even. Countless bad ones mean nothing. I remind you the status of my argument:
Nxavar
  • "There are reasons for a revert but not for labeling the edit as vandalism" argument: still holds
As for the criteria of judging whether an argument "still holds" or is "down", I consider that an argument that is still backed "still holds" whereas an argument that has been answered and not backed in subsequent comments is "down".
Concerning the non-civil tone of "to which apparently you did not pay much attention", I think I had the right to protest about the fact that you made me repeat an argument that I had just made in my previous comment, even though there was no need to make it clearer.
As for what you have added to support your opinion:
I really think that you cannot carelessly spray paint anything on a wall. After all, what would be the innocent reason for which one would use a spray outdoors? Also, your metaphor tries to portray me as doing something that is outright vandalism without explaining why. In your previous comments you used actual arguments, to which I have happily replied. I suggest that you continue to use arguments if you want this discussion to be serious. You can always use metaphors if you like but you must combine them with arguments.
I was surprised to notice that you compared my edit to edits that could not be anything else except vandalism. For my edit, on the contrary, there were plenty of reasons, which I have already explained in my previous comments, for one to think that it was not vandalism. Do you really think that the guys that made these edits could argue that their edits were not vandalism?
As for assuming good faith, you cannot try to assume good faith in the cases that you mentioned but you can try in other cases where the contributor (who is a contributor with a proper account and some history of contributions, not an unknown IP) who made the edit can present you arguments about what he did. If you really assumed good faith, the mere fact that I presented you some arguments should be enough for you to apologize.
As for my spelling I have not made a single spelling mistake that was as bad as the ones in your example, let alone fill a sentence with them. I have neither made as many spelling mistakes as there are in that sentence in all my comments. You have actually supported my argument with the example you gave since you had to make a sentence full of terrible spelling errors to support that spelling mistakes diminish the value of an argument and make it difficult to be understood. Which means that in my case, where spelling errors are relatively scarce and subtle, there is definitely no problem.
Last but not least, I should point out to you that labeling an edit as "vandalism" is quite harsh. You really have to explain yourself if you have erroneously labeled an edit that was not "vandalism" as "vandalism".
PS: I did not understand if you imply that the only reason I continue to argue is enjoyment. This is not true as can be clear from my last point in this comment and I really think we should leave the enjoyment factor out of the equation as comments concerning the enjoyment of either side are close to ad hominem attacks. Also, I must point out that even though you said that "This is getting tedious" and "I am becoming convinced that you really enjoy beating this dead horse." you are writing bigger and bigger comments. Nxavar (talk) 17:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Case Insensitivity

Don't you think that the titles of the Wikipedia articles should be case-insensitive, at least for the first letter of each word? For example Introduction to General Relativity should be automatically redirected to Introduction to general relativity. Is there a special place to request and/or discuss the addition of a new software feature? Nxavar (talk) 16:04, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I like so-called "title case", where the first and last words, along with significant middle words, are capitalized (And Looks a Bit Like This). However, WP:MOS doesn't agree. Ya gotta fight the fights ya can win... UncleBubba (Talk) 18:47, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
It is not about how the titles should be written, it is about redirection. I guess noone has a problem with that. Nxavar (talk) 23:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Holy caps, Batman! I hadn't tried that and didn't know it wouldn't work. Sorry I misunderstood your point. The only explanation I can think of is that the underlying wiki software was developed in the Unix/Linux world, where things tend to be case-sensitive rather than in the case-insensitive Windows world. Unfortunately, I don't really know how to request/discuss new software features but the main wiki software development project is hosted here. I'd start at that site. UncleBubba (Talk) 23:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Excessive tagging on Pedro Paulet

Whilst you have of course acted entirely within the letter of policy, your recent fact tagging of Pedro Paulet looks more like a POV-pushing attempt to discredit the article and remove its content, rather than an attempt to make a better encyclopedia. I will of course welcome your anticipated research and editing of this article to improve it by adding the references you've just called for. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Andy, the simple fact of the matter is that the article--as I first saw it--made a number of unsupported claims about Mr. Paulet. Later, an IP-only editor came along and added a bunch of stuff that seems to claim Mr. Paulet designed reaction motors (without saying what kind) and propulsion systems (again without saying what type), along with an airplane invented before the Wright brothers' 1903 flight. The unsubstantiated edits also tell us he proposed nuclear-powered lunar flights (before nuclear power was harnessed), was a diplomat, the inventor of a torpedo plane, creator of research that allowed Peru to install a telegraph system, not to mention the founding of a technical school, extensive study in Europe, and the creation of a technical magazine--all in eleven years.
While I've never heard of him and don't know him from Adam, I do know that, if he truly did all this, everyone should know him. Before I go shouting from the rooftops, though, I would really like to see the person(s) that added these rather remarkable claims cite them.
You are wrong in accusing me of POV-pushing. In fact, if I'm pushing anything, I'm NPOV-pushing. To maintain a good encyclopedia, one must cull the unsubstantiated, the fringe, the nationalistic revisionism, etc. and stick to what's reliable and verifiable. Editors that don't follow the guidelines can damage Wikipedia's trusted reputation.
And no, I've no intention of doing that research, any more than I intend to research the claims of oxyhydrogen gas-mileage enhancers, cold-fusion reactors, Breatherian diets, the Flat-Earth Society, or some nut who believes the Earth is at the center of a 5000 year-old Universe.
I will, however, continue to edit or tag unsubstantiated assertions that are diametrically opposed to the body of mainstream knowledge. Do you want to change my mind? Knock off the ad hominem attacks and show me facts. UncleBubba (Talk) 17:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion of Series of Tubes

I was making the point that a tube is the perfect analogy to describe the issues of a long fat pipe. The date of the RFC is irrelevant because it defines the standards being used today, and the principles still apply. See Bandwidth-delay_product BruceBarnett (talk) 13:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Bruce, in this case the date is very relevant; the RFC you cited is an April Fools joke about (if I recall correctly) the high percentage of beards on the faces of conference attendees.
Nevertheless, the point of the technical discussion in this article (on Ted Steven's statement) was to explain why his comparison of network response time to mail delivery delays was ridiculous. Anything more is superfluous and beyond the scope of the article. UncleBubba (Talk) 16:10, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: Changes to Next Generation Page

Got your messages, I'm new to Wiki...I will make a note of the proper procedures to edit a page in the future.

Thanks! MitchFX1 (talk) 01:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

You are certainly welcome! Actually, I didn't revert your edit; I saw someone else had and thought it would be a good idea to tell you it had been done. Please keep contributing--that's the only way the encyclopedia gets better! Let me know if I can help. UncleBubba (Talk) 01:59, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Global Warming

You're right about general guidelines on talk pages. I'm a bit old school about this and prefer to get rid of obvious trolling as quickly as possible. We had an immense amount of that at the global warming talk page from December until a month or so ago and I have sometimes been rather aggressive in removing or archiving. As things are now much calmer I'll adjust my approach. Tasty monster (=TS ) 01:39, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

My main concern--and I'm not sure I expressed it--is that "we" keep the high road. Oh, how I want to smack some folks upside the head from time to time! (And most of the folks to whom I'm referring are in my office, not here.) I've always tried to go with the "Do Not Feed The Trolls" advice but I don't think it'll work here. Any ideas? Have you been able to quash one of these without getting yourself all dirty? (Dirty, BTW, as in "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get all dirty, and the pig likes it!") — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:21, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

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The Day The Music Died

Hey UncleBubba, me and you seem to be the two residents keeping the article 'The Day The Music Died' in good shape. Seeing that you're better at this kind of thing than I am, will you please look at the edits that some unknown user made on the article, and bring it back to Wikipedia standards. Cause the way it reads now, its clearly messed up. Dickclarkfan1 (talk) 03:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Done! Yeck, what a mess of edits! Not a single citation, either. And from an anonymous account, to boot. I wonder if someone was trying to get a quotable source for a term paper? Probably not, considering the time of year but stuff like this really frosts me, espectially the ignorance of aviation (and aviation regulations) exhibited by some members of our species. Sorry for the delay, too; we've been out of town. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 11:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Chiropractic

Hi Bubbba, the sentence in the lead is correct to say "by far". It is sourced. See Numerous deaths have occurred after chiropractic manipulations. The risks of this treatment by far outweigh its benefit. QuackGuru (talk) 15:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikilinking the word neck does not add much to the sentence and is a bit of a distraction IMO. Earlier in the lead there is a link to spinal manipulation. QuackGuru (talk) 16:24, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll concede you're correct about the "by far", which appeared to be a weasel-word. However, the inclusion of the detail link to the C-spine is useful because most folks don't realize the "neck" isn't the entire cervical spine, which--mainly due to its small size--is more easily damaged than are the thoracic or lumbar vertibrae (C1-C6 especially). If you can think of a better way to communicate the information, feel free; I was only trying to clean up what appeared to be a bit of a mess. Whatcha think? Thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:13, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you believe most folks don't realize the "neck" isn't the entire cervical spine. Did you read about it somewhere?
I think you agree the "by far" part is appropriate since that is the way it is written in the source. The sentence is not a bit of a mess. It is a complete mess. There is OR, V, and LEAD violations related to the sentence. See Talk:Chiropractic#Failed verification. There is a proposal to fix the problems. See Talk:Chiropractic#Concise sentence. QuackGuru (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
As I said above, I do agree with the "by far" wording. I also agree the sentence is a complete mess. However, my objective wasn't to clean up the entire sentence, rather I wanted to remove the phrase "risks of risks of" (see change log) when I saw what looks like a weasel-word phrase. Since it sounds like you really feel strongly about it and monitor the page closely, I'm gonna step back and leave it with you. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:48, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I still don't understand why you assume most folks don't realize the "neck" isn't the entire cervical spine. Did you read about it somewhere or is this an assumption?
There has been major changes to the article like rewriting the sentence in the lead but other editors wanna step back and allow the original research to continue. QuackGuru (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

False accusations of vandalism at Goddard

Excuse me UncleBubba, what's with the false accusations of vandalism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mmeijeri#September_2010 I reverted an unmotivated change by an anonymous user and said so in the bleeping commit message. If you had taken one look at the commit message or my contributions you would have known the accusation of vandalism is ludicrous. Martijn Meijering (talk) 18:14, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

When I post something on your Talk page, please reply there (as requested), as I will not chase a conversation in a circle. My response is on your Talk page. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

3RR

Understood, but I only made two reversions, and the issue was resolved on the talk page. Serendipodous 19:45, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Dammit, I wish I could get folks to read the directions before posting. I moved this entire thing back to where I posted the original comment. The reply DOES NOT belong here! As I said before, I will not chase a conversation in a circle. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 03:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Solar System size to scale

Hi UncleBubba,

Thanks for your note. My bad for marking it minor; I thought minor is for when no text is changed. Re:

> In addition to not being a MINOR edit, I'm questioning the wisdom of changing formats from JPG to SVG, considering compatibility

I found the labels in the original JPEG too small to view in thumbnail mode though there is plenty of space available.

I've ensured that it renders well on the MediaWiki renderer and several modern browsers. Regardless, most Wikipedia readers will see the automatically rendered JPEG instead of the original unless they choose to view it.

Moreover, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Planets2008.jpg shows that it has been translated to several languages. My initiative lets editors easily translate it into their language without needing to fix the background.

Regards, Cmglee (talk) 18:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know the page renderer would transcode images. Thanks for the info; I learned something new! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:49, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Solar System size to scale

Hi UncleBubba,

Thanks for your note. My bad for marking it minor; I thought minor is for when no text is changed. Re:

> In addition to not being a MINOR edit, I'm questioning the wisdom of changing formats from JPG to SVG, considering compatibility

I found the labels in the original JPEG too small to view in thumbnail mode though there is plenty of space available.

I've ensured that it renders well on the MediaWiki renderer and several modern browsers. Regardless, most Wikipedia readers will see the automatically rendered JPEG instead of the original unless they choose to view it.

Moreover, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Planets2008.jpg shows that it has been translated to several languages. My initiative lets editors easily translate it into their language without needing to fix the background.

Regards, Cmglee (talk) 18:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't know the page renderer would transcode images. Thanks for the info; I learned something new! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:49, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

The Graduate

FYI, I acted on the problems I saw with this article. My notes are on the talk page. I would appreciate feedback, public or private, about the action I took. Thanks. Wanderer57 (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I responded on the Talk page but will also note it here in case you're watching.
GOOD JOB! Spot-on work! Thank you! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 05:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yoko Tsuno

I am interested to know if you have a different version to Yoko Tsuno number 12. In the English version, the story takes place in Scotland and Yoko faints after her tea is drugged by a sinister doctor. The doctor also sedates Yoko later in the story leaving her bound and gagged and forces her to watch Cecelia fall. After this he applies enough chloroform to her to cause Yoko to faint again and throws her into the cravasse, where she is saved as she falls into a net. I am a great fan of Yoko Tsuno, she is always being knocked unconscious, usually by other girls who seem to make Yoko faint with endless neck chops! However, she always recovers to win through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yokofaints (talkcontribs) 15:01, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry; I have no idea what you're talking about. I've never heard of Yoko Tsuno, nor does it sound like something I would like. Sorry... — UncleBubba T @ C ) 15:14, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Copyediting help

Since you declare an interest on video games at the LOCE... the GA reviewer for Metroid: Other M said all the article needs to pass is prose fixing. Can you take a look? Thanks. igordebraga 23:36, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I will, although it won't happen until late tomorrow afternoon. If that's not soon enough, please let me know. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 04:04, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Still waiting for your help. But thanks for responding that you would. igordebraga 00:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

ER

Could you participate in my editor review? ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 18:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I will, but, as it will likely take some time, I may not get to it until Thursday or Friday. If that's too late, please say so. Thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:21, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Why?

Why did you remove some things from my talk page? Well, thanks for putting it back. ~~EBE123~~ talkContribs 12:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

That was an accident and I immediately un-did it and apologized in a note on the page. You just posted something here while I was posting there (which is why, by the way, that I have the note I do at the top of this page). — UncleBubba T @ C ) 12:39, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

my way

I was being sarcastic

By "my way" I was referring just to what I wrote yesterday: that if everyone agreed to BCE/CE thee would be no conflict because everyone would have agreed to make me happy. The point is, every year or two someone comes to this article and demands that the date nomenclature be changed, and the implication is always that the result would be more stable. The problem is a refusal to compromise. The real point of my message was my aillingness to meet half-way as a compromise (half-way meaning in between the two extreems meaning what we have now, i.e. both of the nomenclatures, the nomenclature one side wants AND the nomenclature the other side wants). In practice, this compromise has been exceptionally stable.

Many people recularly contribute to the article and have worked this compromise out over the years and it works. No one thinks both nomenclatures is especially graceful, but it does signal that Jesu's life is in fact often narated using one of two different nomenclatures. More important, we (who regularly edit the page) agree that using both is better, far beter than an edit war.

In our experience, those people (who have never stuck around to do research and add content - I am not trying to criticize you personally, please do not take this that way, it is just an observation about priorities) who come and say that policy or aesthetics dictate that we use only one nomenclature in our interpretation really care less about the abstract principle of one nomenclature, as they do about their own prefernce for a specific nomenclature.

And that is the point of my sarcasem. I could have put it another way: to anyone who demands that we use only one nomenclature, if this is what is most important to you, would you be satisfied using the nomenclature you do not like. In other words, if we were to compromise with you by agreeing to use one nomenclature, will you compromise with us by making that one BCE/CE? (Or, if someone came arguing that MOS says one nomenclature and it should be BCE/CE ... "if we were to compromise with you by agreeing to use one nomenclature, will you compromise with us by making that one BC/AD." In seven years no one has been willing to accept either of these compromises. That is why the stable compromize has been to meet half-way, and use both.

This is what I meant and I think all the editors who regularly watch the page will have understood my point.

I infer that you are not a regular watcher. If I am wrong, my apologies. If I am right, welcome to the article! I hope that your interest extends beyond style and you are willing to stick around and help with content. The Jesus article is long but over the years many parts of it have spun off into satellite articles and frankly, this was not done systematically or rationally and it would be great to have a discussion about what belongs in the article and how it should be organized, and then how the linked articles could be improved so that our coverage of Jesis is truly encyclopedic. For example, not everyone agrees that Jesus was the Christ. That he was a christ is one POV, but even among people who have believed he was Christ, there are many different views as to what this means and we have a linkd article Christology. This article sure could be improved. Other editors are less interested in Christian theology and more interested in critical historical scholarship. We have some good articles on the historical context of the NT; on the history of the NT 9source criticism) and on the historical Jesus but these articles can always be improved. If you have access to the Anchor Bible, its volumes on the NT contain very highly respected introductions that cover the leading scholarly views (whenever that volume was written) and also comments on specific passages discuss the likelihood of their being based on the doings of a historical Jesus, their being borrowings from contemporary literature interpollated into the text for theological reasons, or their having been added at a later date for theological reasons. I do not have access to this well-regarded source and so far no one who edits the article has access and it would be great if someone could mine this source for what could imrpove the article. These are just some suggestions. I do hope you will consider taking the time to research areas not currently covered with an eye towards adding content. (It is certainly possible that you already added much to the article, but before I came along, in which case I apologize for sounding so presumptuous).

I am genuinely sorry that you soent all that time going through the archives. Insane (the other editor) thought I was referring to something that in my mind is a closed book and was closed many, many years ago. Quite some time ago - I do not remember but more than five years ago - I proposed a new policy that Wikipedia always use BCE/CE. This proposal was debated extensively; the final vote was something like 60%/40% or 65%/35% against. It is all archived somewhere. The point is, once some admin decided that the proposal would never achieve consensus, it was closed down and I have never mentioned it since (until now). I do not know why Insane brought it up. I began my edit yesterday proposing that we change all the dates in this one article to BCE/CE and this is the only proposal that I made and refered to yesterday. Slrubenstein | Talk 11:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Good job

I'm not sure this will get through to him, but at least you're trying. I think that he's been editing for just a few weeks, and he's already pissed off a lot of experience editors and admins. Not that that is prima facie evidence of anything, but still. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 01:10, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I really appreciate the good word! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 01:20, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Came here to say the same. Good bit of supportive, yet firm prodding towards policy pages (significantly nicer than the one from me he summarily removed). --King Öomie 17:15, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks again! Y'know, though, what I'm really anxious to see is whether or not it will do any good. Hope springs eternal, though. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 21:04, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Pending Changes

I recently rejected a pending change on the page Waterloo Road (tv series); however, I found out you had accepted the revision before I could reject it. Shouldn't it be rejected as an unexplained deletion of material. In addition, the source used for series seven came from twitter, so it was fairly unreliable. Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:27, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I was trying to fix that--I reckon we were working at cross purposes. When I reject a P.C. edit, I supply a reason in the proper field. What messed it up this time (I think) is that I was processing them out of order. Please go ahead and finish it up; I'll keep my mitts out of it. (Sounds like you know more about it, anyway!) — UncleBubba T @ C ) 03:31, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

About edits

Don't try to revert my edits. I understand that most are marked as minor which is a mistake and I do admit it. But you are unnecessarily reverting edits which is utterly frustrating, even which are properly sourced. I acknowledge my mistake but rv my edits is not good.--Kkm010 | Talk with me 06:55, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

OK sorry for my remarks.--Kkm010 | Talk with me 07:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, you're still adding unsourced data to a whole bunch of pages. You either need to source your information or remove it. I'll revisit this tomorrow. I hope I don't have to submit the ANI notice I've prepared. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 08:08, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Now on most pages I had provided with source.--Kkm010 | Talk with me 13:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Goddard

Hi Bubba, You are of course correct to revert my Goddard edits, and your actions are proper. I know how Wiki works and "reliable sources" are required, but it is just that it pains me to read tripe in Wiki. The idea that Goddard "tested Newton's law" is preposterous and an insult to the Goddard. School children may test Newton's Laws, and a reasonably intelligent student in high school understands why rocket propulsion can work in a vacuum (though indeed New York Times editorial page didn't). Goddard's ambitions and achievements went far beyond these basic ideas. While your edit in removing my additions is correct, it would be nice if some of the exiting tripe was deleted. Have a good day. JS (talk) 16:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

That's a good point. And you're right about the "tripe". Dr. Goddard is one of my heroes who, along with folks like Percy Spencer, Claude Shannon, and Leo Szilard, get way too little credit for their contributions to our world. What got me was your removal of the Citation Needed notice without adding a citation. I'll put the changed wording back in (leaving the template) or you can do it.
I'm sorry; that edit may have been a bit much. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 17:11, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Be more careful

Conversation on Moved to the user's Talk page. Please DO NOT add to or edit this section!

With resepect, you should be more careful about reverting other users' edits. I am neither a new user nor a vandal, so the "test" template you used on my talk page is inappropriate. In addition, justification for removal of the reference is weak at best, since even though the article is about the current crisis, it still supports the statement that TMI was a 5 on the International Nuclear Event Scale. Athene cunicularia (talk) 04:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Not sure why you decided to strike through my comment above, as I'm trying to be helpful. I understand that your edit was made in good faith. However, removing a properly formatted reference without looking at its contents, and applying a "Welcome, your test worked" template to the talk page of longtime Wikipedia user indicates to me that you could be more careful when reverting edits that aren't obvious vandalism or spam. Since you mentioned that you are not a native English speaker, I will try to be clearer in my edit summaries going forward. Athene cunicularia (talk) 17:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I struck it because it ain't supposed to be here. Not trying to be rude but what part of "If I left you a message on your Talk page, please respond there." don't you understand? Yes, I am a native speaker of English, and--unlike some--I'm not too busy or hurried to use the Space bar and the Shift key to make myself understood. See your Talk page for my response — UncleBubba T @ C ) 19:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Your sarcasm is not helpful. I am sorry if I didn't see your instructions the first time, however, you obviously didn't look at my user page or my contribution before you rolled back my edit, either, so let's just call it even. Go to the extra effort and you'll be able to avoid future discussions like this. Thanks. Athene cunicularia (talk) 20:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
I actually do think this is a separate conversation from the matter of my edit to the TMI page -- since my original edit was really pretty innocuous. This conversation is about being more careful with rolling back peoples' edits and using appropriate templates. I think that point has been made, however, and I am sure you will go on doing high quality work here. On a side note, if you believe a page is being edited contentiously (as it might be during an ongoing event), you can always request that it be semi-protected. While it doesn't seem like the TMI page is being edited as heavily -- or contentiously -- as those of Chernobyl and those related to Japan's nuclear disaster, most of the time, semi-protection is a pretty easy way to reduce frustration.
All that said, I think you should un-strike the conversation above. Where you prefer a conversation to take place and what you're willing to do to follow it is a personal preference. It doesn't make my points any less valid. Athene cunicularia (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

MRSA changes

Moved to the MRSA Talk page. Please DO NOT add to or edit this section!

Hi - Saw the changes you made to my additions on MRSA. Just wanted to clarify that I was not writing an 'ad' for hydrogen peroxide. I'm a doctor, and have recently been working with a patient with an ongoing MRSA infection that wasn't responding to antibiotic treatment - the additions I made were based on research I had done to help treat this patient. These were written in good faith in an effort to improve the content of wikipedia. I'm ok with the changes you made, but would like to provide more detail - I'd like to include the substances mentioned in citation 72, as well as the active compounds mentioned in citation 74. Is that OK with you? Kpaddock (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Moved to MRSA section - didn't see you had written there. Kpaddock (talk) 19:46, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I watch a bunch of pages to try to help keep entropy to a manageable level. What I saw looked like promo language I'd seen before.
For examples (forgive me for paraphrasing; supper is in the oven and I don't want to look up the article texts right now):
  • One study tested ~18 agents against several hundred MRSA cultures. IIRC, the authors were hoping one of them (I forget which) would be a useful substitute (or adjunct) to vancomycin for IV administration and netilmicin and hydrogen peroxide appeared efficacious for topical application, yet only hydrogen peroxide was mentioned in the addition to Wikipedia.
  • Another PubMed article described tests of honey for it antimicrobial activity (esp., IIRC, against b-lactamase producing S. aureus and E. coli, plus a couple more bugs). As I read it, there were three substances found in the honey which, if neutralized, rendered the honey much less effective at killing the target bacteria. Only one of these substances, hydrogen peroxide, was mentioned in the Wikipedia addition.
  • Another report described tests of two types of honey against S. aureus, E. coli and P. aeruginosa (I don't remember if they were resistant or not). The more effective honey was one with a higher concentration of hydrogen peroxide which, IIRC, the authors said "merits further study" (or something to that effect).
  • Two cited studies discussed the action and effectiveness of H peroxide vapor in disinfecting medical treatment rooms. IIRC, the vapor was effective but took longer than traditional methods. Only high-traffic areas were mentioned, too. (Was this because of low residual bactericidal action? I can't say from the study I read.) IIRC, the Wikipedia additions talked only about the effectiveness of the peroxide, saying little to nothing about the caveats mentioned in the PubMed papers.
Also (but it may not matter), I think one of the cited studies was over 20 years old.
Regarding re-adding the material, we (I believe I can safely speak for the Wikipedia community on this subject) welcome the addition of neutrally worded, well-sourced, factually balanced and notable material to the encyclopedia. I'm just an editor; I don't own the article. If your additions meet the standards of WP:N, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:PROMO, etc., I'd love to see them back there.
I hope I've answered your question. I've been told I tend to ramble a bit--if I've not done a good job of explaining my actions, please let me know so I can fix it. Thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 00:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your complete response. It's important to guard against product-based changes, as they don't contribute much if anything. Also, the hydrogen peroxide people can be a bit nuts, what with the claims that you can increase your blood's oxygen by drinking H2O2, etc etc.
I admit that my addition was shaped by the fact that I was focusing on using hydrogen peroxide as a topical anti-septic and debriding agent (as that's what I was interested in when I did the research), so I'll broaden my language to include all of the results published. I emphasized H2O2 as re the honey article because I didn't want to encourage people to go out and smear themselves with store-bought honey, thinking they'd cure themselves of MRSA - better they at least use a USP-recognized antiseptic, right? Also, I'll make sure to mention that the one study is older - resistance is obviously a major issue with this bug, and MRSA strains may be resistant to some of these compounds now, but god help us if bacteria become resistant to H2O2, because then our neutrophils won't work... Anyway, it's Saturday evening, I'm headed out, so I'll put my alterations here tomorrow - they'll be minor.
Also, the information about H2O2 vapor was moved and altered, and I'm satisfied with how it looks and reads.
Thanks! Kpaddock (talk) 02:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'll take a look at it later (it's on my Watch List). If I can help you with anything, please holler! (And, if you think the Hydrogen Peroxide people are nutty, you oughta' visit the Oxyhydrogen folks...)
What concentration of H2O2 were you using for debriding? If over 20-30%, were you able to get around its oxidant/irritant properties? — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:34, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Here are my proposed changes --
A 1990 study tested MRSA isolates obtained from veterans and found they could be killed by several substances, including bacitracin, nitrofurantoin, hydrogen peroxide, novobiocin, netilmicin and vancomycin. The study went on to conclude that netilmicin might be useful as an alternative to intravenous vancomycin, and suggested that topical applications of hydrogen peroxide may be useful to reduce MRSA on skin and some mucous membranes.
A 2010 study noted significant antimicrobial action of Ulmo 90 and manuka UMF 25+ honey against several microorganisms, including MRSA. The investigators noted the superior antimicrobial action of Ulmo 90 honey, and suggested it be investigated further. A separate 2010 study examined the use of medical-grade honey against several antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria, including MRSA. The study concluded that the antimicrobial action of the honey studied was due to the activity of hydrogen peroxide, methylglyoxal, and a novel compound named bee defensin-1.
Hope that looks good. As re your question, I was just using store-bought low-strength H2O2 - it was part of a plan to keep the area as clean as possible, as it's effective at cleaning out pus and gunk. I was having her clean it, debride it, re-dress it regularly, and use basic antibiotic cream to keep OTHER bugs out. Anyway I did the research to see if H2O2 had any effect against the bug itself, or if it was just helping by keeping dead tissue out of the infected area. High-strength H2O2 just doesn't seem safe in unskilled hands. Kpaddock (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Those additions sound great to me! (I assume the PubMed refs go with 'em.) Thanks for the answer. I was really wondering if you'd learned some way to keep high-concentration H2O2 from messing with everything in sight. (Heck, at 70% or more, it can be used as a component in hypergolic rocket fuel, IIRC. Not exactly user-friendly stuff.)
I did get a really good chuckle from the mental image of patients being dipped in honey. People McNuggets? That made my day. Thanks! Holler if I can help. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Changes done and done. Glad that cooperation ruled the day! Kpaddock (talk) 18:51, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey, Doc! Looks good! Going back through my notes here, it occurred to me that I should have started this conversation on the article's Talk page, not my personal one. That was my mistake (and has nothing to do with you) but I would like to move this text to the article Talk page so other editors can see and comment or whatever. I'll do so unless you have an objection. Lemme know, please; thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 19:39, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
That's fine with me - I thought you preferred to discuss it here, but it probably belongs in the MRSA discussion section. I don't edit a lot, so I sometimes forget protocol, forget to sign in, etc.. BTW, here's a cartoon that's germane to the topic: http://funcorner.eu/misc/ill-have-some-h2o-too/ Kpaddock (talk) 20:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

edit war started

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You unfortunately managed to start a sort of edit war :) with TFD jumping right in. The only proper act at this point would be for you to revert pending a real consensus to delete - the claims of those seeking deletion are a tad :) weak. Cheers. Collect (talk) 11:34, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm really sorry you feel this is an edit war and that I started it. I respectfully disagree. I see this issue as a discussion (or debate) over a precept that is central to the soul of the encyclopedia, and one that was started, really, by the person who added the quote in the first place.
Regardless, I believe it should be discussed on the article's Talk page, not here, where it feels too much like an ex parte conference. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 14:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree about using the talk page -- TFD et al however tend to get quite carried away! Collect (talk) 15:24, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry for the copper cladding promo ref. Should've looked at the link closer. No personal interest involved. :) Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 18:00, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem at all. Thanks for the note! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:18, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Starting Edit War

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You have started an edit war, which I see is not the first time this has happened. I have added the Michael C. Carlos museum back to the page. I have a feeling it has become political, for you have some animosity towards the museum or ancient art. If you undo it, I will report you to an administrator.--Mmann1988 (talk) 22:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

No, I most certainly have not started an edit war and I object to your unfriendly accusation. This is a content dispute following my revert of information you inserted into the article without citing a reliable source. This conversation should be conducted on the Talk page for the Atlanta article, which is where I've copied your message and replied. Respond there, not here. I will not discuss this WP:BRD issue away from the light of public scrutiny. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 00:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Measuring rod

Would you mind and take a look at this page (Measuring rod)? I would appreciate your feedback. Someone is turning this into "fringe-central" I have tried to stop it, but I cannot keep reverting. Unless you disagree with my point of view of course :). I have outlined on the talkpage what my arguments against some of the edits are. (I'm still working on the sections for the Akhenaten page for the name change btw, but it will take a bit of research to write it well.)--AnnekeBart (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Answer

Hi, I replied to your comment on my talk page. --Misaerius (talk) 13:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hey--I reverted your changes to the Leet article because the info you added--while possibly reasonable--really looks like original research, which is not allowed. Also, article material should not sound like a debate. If you can cite a reliable source for your information, it would help its chances of being accepted. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 04:27, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I actually only moved the info from the Talk page (hoping that it could serve as another viewpoint), but yea, I agree it's original research and we don't know for certain whether that guy was being true or not. Next time I'll try to find citations to support the views. Thanks for updating me on this. - M0rphzone (talk) 07:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for tidying up the Full Blood Count article

Thank you for the message on my talk page about the article on Complete Blood Count, or as we tend to call it here in the United Kingdom, the "Full Blood Count" - and thank you too for clearing up the article! I had not noticed the first time I made the edit that the term "Full Blood Count" was already in the paragraph, so you did the right thing tidying it up. I am not a medical doctor (my title of "Dr" comes from a Ph.D. in Psychology) so I do not like to make too many changes to medical articles! Again, thank you for your help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 11:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks for telling me where the "Full Blood Count" phrase is used--I didn't know that. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 14:31, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

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Excuse me, but as I recall, my edit was ONE WORD and it was a grammatical improvement. Please assume good faith. Djathinkimacowboy 01:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Moved reply to original user's Talk page where it belongs, per above notice, but forgot to note it here. Oops. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 01:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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To UncleBubba Many thanks for your tireless efforts in keeping article clear of spam and other nonsense. Wikipedia is a better quality project because of hardworking and conscientious editors like you!--Hu12 (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Wow—that is so nice to hear. Thank you so much! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:55, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

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You make a stupid edit, restoring a piece of vandalism, presumably not looking at what you are doing, and then lecture me, with a piece of condescending nonsense. What is that about? please allez-vous-en or something like that. Sayerslle (talk) 23:40, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Moved reply to original user's Talk page where it belongs, per above notice. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 00:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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You deleted a modification I made on the toyota prius page about smog. Your comment was that cars don't produce smog. Technically, they do produce smog forming particals that are activated by sunlight and transformed into smog. For all practical purposes, the produce smog. Would you prefer the wording 'smog forming particals?' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.178.2.64 (talk) 10:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I did revert your edit, for several reasons:
  • You didn't explain what you were doing by including an Edit Summary (the default "section" summary is nice but doesn't help much). In my experience, a majority of vandalism is presented in the form of anonymous edits with no Edit Summary. While it is by no means required, I recommend you create an account and use it when you edit Wikipedia--it may make your life easier.
  • You added information that went beyond the text in the cited reference, which is original research and not allowed in this encyclopedia.
  • You introduced an error of fact: smog (from smoke and fog) is a meteorological phenomenon caused by the combination of emitted gases and liquid particles in the atmosphere. Smog may be made worse by photochemical reactions brought on by sunlight acting on various compounds (mainly hydrocarbons) in the emissions. Ergo, cars may emit smoke, NO, CO, CO2, particulates, etc., but they do not emit smog.
Please don't take it personally; while researching this reply, I found another factual error that someone sneaked into the article (regarding "toxic emissions" in the lede). It, too, is gone. And it will stay gone unless someone can cite a reliable source that meets Wikipedia standards for notability and verifiability.
(There is another error, regarding tax-deductability, that I will correct as soon as I save this page.)
Our purpose here should be to improve the encyclopedia. Anything that does not further that goal does not--in my opinion--belong here.
If I can help you in any way, please let me know. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 15:03, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I don't believe I stated anything beyond the sited text. If you click on the link it will take you right to the EPA's green vehicle guide and on that page is my reference to the mention the EPA rating the 2003 model with a 3 out of ten air pollution score. This will be 'improving the encyclopedia.' If someone wants to buy a prius so be green they may want to know the 2003 model is not the year to go with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.178.2.64 (talk) 00:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry; I don't agree. If they want that information, there are literally hundreds of sites to which they can go. Wikipedia is not an automobile review site, nor is it Consumer Reports. If you can find justification for your assertion in the WP:MOS or other official guidelines, you might get me to change my mind, though. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 00:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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Please look at my comments at Talk:Akhenaten. A. Parrot (talk) 01:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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My point is that by introducing "China" in the first sentence without any context, the intro is actually perpetuating the antipodean misconception to people who are aware of it. Whereas to people who aren't aware of it (i.e. non-Americans), the mention of China is completely bizarre, and likely to lead the reader to ask "What's so special about China that it attracts nuclear reactors?" – Smyth\talk 11:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Re: this edit: IRC-Galleria is a valid "see also" link. Please do your research before making such edits in the future. Mythpage88 (talk) 09:34, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

No, I do not believe it is. The only thing even remotely IRC-related about the IRC-Galleria site is its name. It is a web site "created as a photo gallery for IRC users". Should we also list all other photo gallery web sites here? Should we list Facebook and G+, too? I think not. If you want to discuss it, please come to the article Talk page and do so. If you continue to use Wikipedia for promotion, I will be the least of your worries. Please don't put unrelated information into technical articles. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you accusing me of promotion? If so, I see we just threw good faith out the window! Mythpage88 (talk) 03:37, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I am accusing you of nothing. The link to the social networking site does not belong in the IRC article because they are unrelated. Only you know the true reason you want the link there, but I don't think it is for the purpose of improving the article. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 03:45, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
How does "If you continue to use Wikipedia for promotion, I will be the least of your worries. Please don't put unrelated information into technical articles." assume any good faith? It's a thinly veiled threat, at best. Mythpage88 (talk) 03:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I feel—very strongly—that all editors here should be working to improve the encyclopedia. I will assume good faith in dealing with people, but I will not compromise that overarching goal. Since you've not done anything to defend your IRC-Galleria link (other than malign me), I find myself wondering if you have an ulterior motive, either to promote the Galleria page or to improve its link stats. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 04:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I have defended myself by responding to your blatant assumption of bad faith. I shouldn't have to defend myself against accusations of blatant promotion, when my edit history clearly shows that I have no such interest in anything of the sort. Please stop biting, it's unbecoming. Mythpage88 (talk) 04:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I did look at your history (all three months of it); I still don't see the justification for this link. What I have seen is you using various Wikipedia "magic buzzwords" to attack me: "Oh dear, he reverted my edit. I'll accuse him of not assuming good faith. That'll fix him." Followed by, "Oh, dear, that didn't work, so I'll try a 'biting' accusation, and I'll make it 'blatant', for good measure."

I didn't see you arguing in favor of your link other than saying "it's valid". And discussion is what it's all about here. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 05:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Isn't "vandalism" a "magic buzzword"? Oh, and looking at your talk page archive, this isn't the first time you've bitten others. Whatever happened to WP:DICK? Mythpage88 (talk) 05:06, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't bite newcomers, but I do try to help support the quality of the encyclopedia. You're trying to use more ad hominem, which is a fallacious technique. I'm still waiting for you to present a convincing argument in favor of including the link, or have you given up on that in favor of continuing to attack me? — UncleBubba T @ C ) 05:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
"I don't bite newcomers." Do you have a convincing argument behind this statement? Or have you given up on that in favor of continuing to bite me? Mythpage88 (talk) 05:26, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Similarly, you have yet to justify calling my edit "vandalism". Mythpage88 (talk) 05:27, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I didn't think you could defend your insertion of the link into the IRC article, and these attempts at deflection and distraction seem to prove my conjecture valid. Please grind your axe elsewhere; it's not going to work here. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 05:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Burden of proof lies on you. How was it vandalism? Mythpage88 (talk) 06:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
There is no "burden of proof", as I did not call what you did "vandalism". I called it "apparently promotion", which it is.

But you're still avoiding the argument you apparently feel you cannot win: How do you justify including the social-networking site in the IRC article? — UncleBubba T @ C ) 06:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't lie. You identified the edits as vandalism in multiple edit summaries. Mythpage88 (talk) 06:56, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
It's easy to make baseless accusations, but proving them is another thing entirely. I have not called your edits vandalism, so who is the liar? — UncleBubba T @ C ) 07:04, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
No response? I didn't think so. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 14:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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Dear Sir,

I appreciate your feedback about you working in business and never hearing about StarWind. Well, it was a day when nobody heard about Microsoft and IBM. Also storage industry is quite isolated. In case you can do me a favor could you please tell me why DataCore Software page with TWO links and written entirely by their staff is NOT SPAM and what we currently have (please take a look @ our page as I've added TONS of external links) IS? I appreciate your feedback in any case.

Staff had did a lot of mistakes in the past but they had be punished for doing this (content was removed). Do you think you can judge for past all the time?

Thank you very much for cooperation!

AK47

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I don't think the edit you reverted was vandalism, I think it was lack of references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Surge12 (talkcontribs) 21:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but whenever anyone removes four sections/seven paragraphs of technically coherent text—including its source references—from an article without one word of discussion or explanation (or even a single Edit Summary), a rational person would feel justified labeling it "vandalism", and that's exactly what I did. Were you the editor from IP 111.68.103.26? If so, please go to the article's Talk page and discuss your proposed revisions. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 23:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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I am hardly trying to promote Moody's book. As a start, the reference to it has been there for a very long time. Its importance to the topic is that it marks the time(1975) at which the public in general became aware of Near-Death Experiences. The point of the paragraph concerned is to show that Christian Scientists have been aware of them for much, much longer: a fact of encyclopedic interest. You suggest, incorrectly, that the other reference does not support this. The only purpose the other reference has, is to confirm that the publication of Moody's book was indeed the stage at which public interest in NDEs began: a widely accepted fact. I can certainly find any number more references to support that, if you like.

It is highly likely that users who look up Christian Science have heard more about near-death experiences than they have about Christian Science. The sole aim of the entry is to establish the nexus between the two, and so to open up the topic more effectively to the enquirer.

I believe that my response to you is both courteous and correct. I therefore have respectfully yet again reversed your edit. Michael J. Mullany (talk) 07:29, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

The point here is pretty simple: To be included in Wikipedia, material must be notable (see WP:N), verifiable (see WP:V), and reliably sourced (see WP:RS). This doesn't mean you have to know it's true so much as you must reference reliable sources that say it's true.
Your assertions that "it marks the time (1975) at which the public in general became aware" and that it is a "a widely accepted fact" must be supported. If you are only interested in mentioning Christian Scientists have known of NDEs for a long time, that's one thing. Claims that Moody coined the term and that NDEs were unknown to the general public prior to that are pretty sweeping and must be supported with hard, reliable sources. And it MUST be discussed if there is any doubt among the interested editors.
Please stop reverted edits. The way Wikipedia works is: Someone changes something. Someone disagrees and reverts it. The original editor goes to the Talk page to discuss it. If consensus is reached, the new material is reinserted into the article; if no consensus is reached, it stays on the Talk page.
I have no special interest in the article or the book, but I do have an interest in making the encyclopedia better. Unsourced material, no matter how "true" or "well known" is not allowed. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 08:12, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so in Wiki's own article on NDEs where it states: "Popular interest in near-death experiences was initially sparked by Raymond Moody's 1975 book Life After Life[8] and the founding of the International Association for Near-Death Studies (IANDS) in 1981.[9]". Do we say that the NDE article also committs the same fault, or are we satisfied that there the editors got it right? If so, then the same references would indicate the reinstatement of the assertion in question.Michael J. Mullany (talk) 08:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

my question is why is this reference important to the article on Christian Science. It doesn't clarify a major point of Christian Science doctrine. Many other faiths acknowledge NDE's well before Christian Science supposedly does. Do we need to list all of them as well? To me an encyclopaedic article should be to the point with a minimum of ancillary information. Am I wrong? Digitalican (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
No, you are absolutely right. Your opinion also follows WP policy closely, as I understand it. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 15:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I do not agree that the main stream of western religions other than CS did acknowledge NDEs prior to 1975. MB Eddy's reference to them was written the best part of a century earlier. I would have thought that the sentence under dispute relates the CS view to something that many readers will have heard of: NDEs, and so places the CS view in world context.Michael J. Mullany (talk) 19:25, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Dear UncleBubba,

I want to bring to your attention your (merited, but not entirely) deletion of work by my Wikipedia student, Thegannon. One focus of our class is trying to augment female and ethnic diversity among contributors in Wikipedia. Some new contributors are easily discouraged, particularly if they have not grown up in circumstances that support a sense of entitlement and expertise. I'm going to encourage Thegannon to re-word work on women in wrestling and make it workable and useful for Wikipedia. Thank you kindly, and in advance for your patience with newcomers to the process, and any supportive effort you may be willing to lend to a beginner. KSRolph (talk) 19:39, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

While patrolling recent changes, I ran across Thegannon's edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wrestling&diff=prev&oldid=461544414), which inserted apparently-coherent text into the article.
I was about to move on when I noticed the edit was unexplained (i.e. had no edit summary), so I looked a little deeper and saw many statements of fact and syntheses of factual data. Usually, this indicates original research, which isn't allowed. That pretty much sealed the edit's fate and I reverted it.
I believe my action in this matter was entirely justified.
Having said that, I think what you're doing with the students is absolutely wonderful! I will, of course, help you any way I can.
To prevent problems in the future, I recommend you review the Wikipedia "Help for New Editors" articles. At the very least, point out to them the Edit Summary box on the editing screen and teach them to use it for every edit. It doesn't take much time and it shows other Wikipedians the edit respects them, their time and the encyclopedia as a whole.
Teach them also about Wikipedia's policies regarding notability, verifiability, and reliable sources, and that these—not truth—are the criteria for inclusion in articles here.
If you teach your students to observe these practices, I believe you will encounter far fewer problems.
If you could see the crap I pull out of these pages on a daily basis, you'd understand my firm approach to spam, vandalism and disruptive editing. (And I'm not even a prolific page patroller; there are folks here that do ten times my volume of cleanup per unit of time invested.)
I am quite encouraged by your project, though, and I hope you carry on with it. Once again, if I can help, please let me know. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 01:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Dear Bubba,

Thank you for your detailed response. I do, of course, all I can to help eighteen to 22 year-old students understand what we want, what we refer to, how multivariate Wikipedia culture is to be appreciated and navigated, and so forth. On the other hand, there are more than twenty people's work to monitor, and a couple of my students have suffered from the experience of less than perfect text, followed by deletions. For newcomers, a couple of these, and students can become discouraged. While I understand you are not trying to teach this course, it might be that a few encouraging words to Thegannon could go a long way. One wishes to see all newcomers succeed and move to the next level, independent works and edits. I must also concern myself with less assertive students, those who have not had initial success with their edits.

I appreciate your thoughtful response, and please do tolerate our works. I can imagine your tasks to be difficult, and I too, would be/am on a short fuse with some of the contributions (and deletions) I encounter. In fact, in class, we wonder aloud at the admins in Wikipedia who oversee and modify hundreds of items per day.

There is a place for women in wrestling in this page, especially with events being televised nationally and international events held. My view is Thegannon needs to include citations, and perhaps augment statements. I hope you'll agree. KSRolph (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I absolutely agree. The citations are the key to verifiability, and an Edit Summary is a mark of courtesy and professionalism. Together, I believe they will make a tremendous difference.
After that, all they need to do is write well. ;-)
Do you teach about the really strange way WP works, through things like consensus and cooperation? I imagine that would make a helluva lesson, not only for editing, but for life. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 09:05, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I think you revised wrong...

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Do you use Apple? "Personal" is not the accepted term for us Macintosh users. PC refers to Windows machines, Linux refers to Linux, and Macintosh of course refers to Apple computers. MaganT2k13 (talk) 05:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I think you need to consult a dictionary. "Personal", as an adjective, is defined, "Of, affecting, or belonging to a particular person rather than to anyone else." My MacBook Pro is mine, as is my Linux desktop and my Windows laptop, and they are all Personal Computers. They certainly are not mainframes... I think we should try to avoid being pedantic. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 05:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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I've noted your comments on the Starwind Software AfD page and as you seem to have an aversion to people exploiting Wikipedia for promotion and advertising I was wondering if you could take a look at Microsoft SQL Server Compare Tools. This article is nothing but a list of external links for people trying to promote their products. If these links were put on most articles they would be immediately reverted as spam. I have suggested changing the links to references and removing anything with no reference at all. I've put in a request for comment but the only response I've had is from an IP user who has a link for his product on it. There are a lot of these articles, I've started cleaning up Comparison of database tools which I think looks better. I would really appreciate any comments you may have on this - I'm so tempted to AfD it.Vrenator talk 11:02, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Wow--what a mess o' links! Thanks for the heads-up. I need to look at it some more, but I'm wondering if you're right in that an AfD is the best solution. I posted some opinion on the article's Talk page. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 12:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for comments on the article's talkpage. I was beginning to think I was on my own and had some kind of phobia against red links and spam links. This article, unfortunately is just one of a hole bunch of these but once this one has been tackled I may just target some others. Vrenator talk 13:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
The article has now been redirected to Microsoft SQL Server. Vrenator talk 13:46, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
And I say "Yaaaaa!" Thanks for letting me know about it. Are you familiar with the Spam Project board? Check it out sometime--you might find it useful.
Regardless, if you run across any more, and want some help, please let me know. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 13:56, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Cheers! I will check it out. Vrenator talk 13:59, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Regarding the external link section in the Brahma Kumaris article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University#External_links

The contribution I made was reverted back. "The Brahma Kumaris Info" site has an "ad" right beside it: "An independent resource accurately documenting the beliefs and lifestyle of the Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University, including many of its channeled messages." Is that ok to place such things after a link?

Thanks

Riveros11 (talk) 12:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I looked at the link on the WP page (and the abstract text beside it) and don't really see the problem. There are two External Links to official BK sites, followed by the one in question. While I'd bet BK leadership would rather not hear some of the things the http://www.brahmakumaris.info/ site has to say, it does not appear to be commercial (I saw no ads), and it doesn't seem overtly shrill. In fact, it seems to be a reasonable, well-sourced skeptic site (I didn't read much of it.) Am I missing something? — UncleBubba T @ C ) 13:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. Well, I just want to play by the rules. It appears interesting to me that a link in the "external links" part of the article has an opinion such as to consider that link " accurately documenting the beliefs and life style of the BKs." Encyclopedias usually will add something like " According to that site..." to avoid bias.

In that light, It appears to me that I could add the following link: http://brahmakumarisforum.net and also will add a little text right beside it and some text to the other links as well, if there are no objections.

Riveros11 (talk) 15:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I recommend you do not do that. The link you mentioned is a forum, and has no business here. The former link is--as I mentioned--a link to a non-forum site, similar in structure to the official BK sites.
I have, though, had a chance to look at some of your edits. Are you connected to the BKs in any way? I may be mistaken, but it really appears that some of your edits are written with the intent of promoting a particular point of view. Are you familiar with WP:NPOV, WP:COI, WP:N, WP:V, WP:NOR, WP:SPS, and WP:NOT? please remember this is an encyclopedia. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 15:23, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you sure that brahmakumaris.info is not a forum?

Please check out: http://www.brahmakumaris.info/forum/index.php

If in fact, this is an encyclopedia, then the brahmakumaris.info link should go away for it is a forum. The participants are not bona fide researchers, but ex-members of the BK movement. Please re-consider your thought.

Yes, I am a member of the BK movement. I don't see why I cannot contribute as much as an Ex-Brahma Kumaris member can. But I will be happy to go by the rules as long as it works both ways. Have you checked on "January 18" user? His history talks lots about him.

Riveros11 (talk) 15:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

C'mon, just because a site has a forum doesn't make it one. I went to the link you provided and wound up on a forum index page. I went to the other site and found a home page. Please don't split hairs with me.
Why can't an ex-BK be a bona fide researcher? Seems like they might have useful knowledge. You can contribute; I never said otherwise, but you should not remove or suppress others' views just because you do not agree with them.
My wife's mother is an active BK and, while I don't subscribe to her worldview, it is interesting. Regardless, I don't have an agenda one way or the other regarding the BKs. They're just like Catholics or Buddhists in one important way: some folk love 'em and some folks hate 'em. As far as I'm concerned, either group is welcome here only as long as they don't allow their biases to leak onto the pages.
The page should not read like a recruiting brochure. If you work to be informative, neutral, and balanced, we'll get along fine.
By the way, did you read those WP articles I cited? I think they would help you better understand what should be here and what should not.
I will be checking out the January 18 user. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 16:14, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
What would you consider that site? A research on the Brahma Kumaris? Have you notice that the contributors are the same members of the forum?

FYI. I have been in this article from the very beginning.I have not been banned even once. On the other hand, the main contributor of the Ex-BK side has been. He has been "blocked permanently" (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:195.82.106.244) but he has continued editing under different IDs, now one of them is "january 18." That user is the owner of the brahmakumaris.info site.

I think I am being reasonable in asking why his website link is mentioned in the BK wiki article? That individual is not a researcher, neither the group in that website.

So, when I see a link which is a forum (by dictionary definition) with articles containing "original research" without an article signed by a "bona fide" researcher but just biased opinions and the "ad" which mentions that they "accurately document" the BK beliefs and life style...then, you wonder, what gives them that authority? According to wiki policies the brahmakumaris.info link violates the "No original research" policy in wikipedia.

If you look at the "Scientology" site, under external links, they have an "official site" heading with a "scholarly web pages on Scientology" sub-heading. The brahmakumaris.info link do not qualify as a scholarly site as you know.

Please give me a good reason.

Ps: A "bona fide researcher" for an encyclopedia; is someone with a terminal degree in that subject. Riveros11 (talk) 17:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review for StarWind Software

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An editor has asked for a deletion review of StarWind Software. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Hu12 (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

 

FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC).

APL

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I have nothing against ISO dates, but they only apply to gregorian dates. Also, I am sure you have noticed that the absence of spelt-out month names often give gives rise to ambiguities – common "alternatives" seem to be "01-23-2008" or "23-01-2008". But the real crux is that there was a mixture of different formats in that article that I want to harmonise. I don't know where to take it from here; I won't be reverting you. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 13:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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Amelia Earhart from the FBI FOIF(freedom of imformation files)

FBI FOIA FILES

The files at the link below clearly show and state that many radio operators intercepted Earhart's radio transmissions. These files on pages 49 thru to 54 establish that Earhart landed in the Marshall Islands and was taken prisoner by the Japanese. After reading the files it is obvious that Earhart and Noonan were both alive and had landed safely, however into or near a secret Japanese base. Due to the planes altitude the radio transmissions misled those waiting to intercept Earhart as planned. Off course far north of Howland Island, Earhart is said to have actually landed on Knox Island nearer to the Marshall Islands. This is outlined by the FBI files. The files document often repeated and frantic requests by radio operators to get FBI assistance in finding Earhart, even many years after her disappearance.
Here is the FBI link: http://vault.fbi.gov/amelia-mary-earhart/amelia-mary-earhart-part-01-of-01/view

This material seems noteworthy

(sorry your """don't be a dick""" is suggestive and pornographic as posted)
(the image of the penis in addition to "dick" as referenced are obscene images and speech)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Atomic49er (talkcontribs) 18:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

The material may well be noteworthy, but it doesn't seem to meet the criteria of the Wikipedia policies on verifiability and notability.
You didn't discuss it on the article Talk page; not discussing what you're doing is not a good thing.
You also don't seem to have bothered to read the Wikipedia documentation on editing--I had to re-format the text you inserted here because it was messing up my Talk page. In short: Please explain your edits with an Edit Summary; please sign your posts; and please take a look at the Help pages to learn more about editing the encyclopedia.
Lastly, don't worry about my Don't Be a Dick picture--I like it and it's going to stay. Wikipedia is NOT censored so, if line drawings of human anatomical features bother you, perhaps you should read elsewhere. Frankly, I couldn't care less that you think the images on my User or Talk pages are "pornographic" or "obscene"; I don't think they are and, as long as I don't violate WP policy, my opinion is all that matters on this page.
— UncleBubba T @ C ) 20:27, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

do not talk down to me in stupid riddles? ok? uncle buddy...

ato49er — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atomic49er (talkcontribs) 05:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, your general comportment, including the way you spell and write, make it pretty difficult to do anything but talk down to you, ya know? What I wrote is in no way a riddle; it's not my problem you can't comprehend simple English prose. And how hard can it be to indent your replies and sign your posts? — UncleBubba T @ C ) 06:20, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Harassment and annoyance

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You posted multiple times on my talk page. I ask you to stop. One time is enough. You are warned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.103.192 (talk) 02:12, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

You are tenditiously attempting to restore spammy links and unsourced, potentially dangerous medical information to an article, which is not allowed. You are trying to use Wikipedia for promotion and advertising, which is not allowed. If you are editing as an IP (not signed-in) user to hide your identity, you are evading, which is not allowed.
In short, you are abusing the encyclopedia to further your own ends, which is reprehensible. Now, YOU have been warned. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
You are not better than any other wikipedia user. Quit harassing me. I asked you already. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.103.192 (talk) 03:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
With all due respect, sit down and shut up, spammer. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 03:49, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Amelia Earhart

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See contentious submission. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC).

This person is, shall we say, "interesting". If you want to see something really crazy, take a look at the rev history of his Talk page. I'm not quite sure if he's attacking/threatening me or if he just needs to take his medication, nor am I sure if I should do anything (ANI?) about it. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 17:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
DFT is often the best advice. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC).
...and especially so, I'd bet, in this situation. Thanks. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 16:45, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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I don't know why you bothered posting your "rebuke". I am not a boy scout collecting badges and I don't count edits or display the count or collect awards, I just edit articles often in passing whilst I go on my merry way in what is a busy life. If I overlook checking the "minor edit" who gives a toss? Would you prefer that I didn't bother making the correction?

Your pedantic ignorant attitude is what has driven away many editors who think they "own" articles or are the final arbiters of what is right or wrong.. my understanding is that the powers that be are very worried about this wastage of editors

The problem is exemplified by your reversion of my edit to the HG Wells article. It came about because one of my kids was reading the article (after the death of Ray Bradbury) and asked me what "sums" meant. It is is not a term used widely outside the UK and Ireland and it is probably uncommon there in this century. I thought that it was worth explicating the term. In any event it wasn't silly, or a "joke" the edit made the point Wells was making clear and it wasn't exactly cluttering up the place.

Please do not bother posting a response on my talk page. I will delete it and not read it. As George W Bush allegedly said one time, "Who cares what you think?" Silent Billy (talk) 12:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Obviously, you care enough to reply (in the wrong place, no less).
The Wells article is written in British English, about a British author. In that language variant, "sums" is a pretty common word. Instead of inserting poorly constructed changes into the article text (and snarfing at me for cleaning it up), you might have availed yourself of the opportunity to teach your children something new.
And, just so we're clear: you didn't fail to check the "Minor" box; you checked it when you knew--or should have known--not to do so.
It's pretty funny you're calling me "ignorant" here; evidence indicates you have it backwards.
Wikipedia is a community of people who work together to improve "the encyclopedia anyone can edit". As such, there are a lot of people editing it and there are rules and conventions and best practices, much like there is everywhere else.
If you are unwilling to take the time to properly use the Minor check box--or to supply a proper Edit Summary--when you change something, so be it. You may save yourself a second or two but will cost others in the editing community much more time while they patrol recent changes. Your actions don't rise to level of a sanctionable offense but, just like rudeness and discourtesy, they tell others what you're made of. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 18:00, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Need help with a user

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Fifelfoo is launching personal attacks and deleting my comments on the talk page. Can you go to the Talk page for the Vietnam War and help me out. I don't mind changing things if I need to, but I could do without the personal attacks. -- Korentop (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Parkinson's science learning project in Wikiversity

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Hi. I'd like to bring your attention to a new learning project in Wikiversity. As you have been involved with the discussion on the wikipedia Parkinson's disease page I felt you might be interested in looking at the project and perhaps even contributing material to it. Please see my Talk page, http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User_talk:Droflet#The_Science_Behind_Parkinson.27s_learning_project , the subpage, http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/User_talk:Droflet/ProjectDescription or the project itself , http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:The_Science_Behind_Parkinson%27s . It would be great if you could bring the project to the attention of others who might be interested in helping us develop it. Thanks.

Jtelford (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Your current edit war

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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. You may have thought that this was okay under the 3RR, however, my records show that you have still come close to violating this rule yourself. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time, counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly, which I have determined it has. This is your notice that if I see another revert by you on this page, I will report yourself to AIN and begin a discussion about your edit war, if the other involved editor doesn't do so first.

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm being as nice as possible here. But this is a serious offense. Please consider another course of action before reverting again. I am also going to be requesting full protection of the page to prevent this from going any further.

gwickwire | Leave a message 02:14, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, really? On what page, may I ask? How was I edit-warring?
My edit history shows, frankly, that I spend a lot a time cleaning up messes and contributing to the encyclopedia. If you feel I've violated WP policies, please do make a submission to the appropriate AN/I page. But be aware: Your behavior will be scrutinized, too, and baseless accusations are not well received around here. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:28, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I just looked at the one page you reported the other editor for. Your edit summaries looked like you were intent on reverting his material until he stopped. It was just a little friendly reminder. Like I said, don't take it the wrong way. And I'm well aware of the AN/I regulations. If you'd like me to remove this, as the other user was blocked, and there's no way for you to go over 3RR, feel free to remove this. Thanks for understanding. gwickwire | Leave a message 02:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Look, I'm very understanding and pride myself on maintaining civility, but one thing I will not abide is being falsely accused of wrongdoing. Did you actually bother to count the reverts I made? There was ONE. Hello71, Ianmacm, and Freshacconci made the others.
If you're not sure of your target, you have no business pulling the trigger. If you are careless with your Rollback rights, you could lose them. If you truly want to become an administrator (as you say on your User page), you must train yourself to pay attention to details.
What you left here is not a "friendly warning", it's a mistake. Making matters worse, you "templated" a long-time editor. Frankly, I think you owe me an apology. If you ever do this again, I will have to seriously consider reporting your behavior to AN/I.
And yes, I'm gonna revert the change now that the guy's blocked. Perhaps this time, it will stick. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:51, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
I've already admitted I was not fully informed. I purposefully did not use the standard template in this, to make it personalized. My rollback rights don't even come into effect here, I didnt use them at all in this. I admitted I was wrong. Sorry. gwickwire | Leave a message 02:56, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Star Trek

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I recently was sent a message by you regarding my correction to Star Trek: The Next Generation, changing the episode listing from 176 to 178 episodes. In fact this is my second time doing so, and the previous time I did cite my source. I will cite it again here for you: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation

As this webpage--and many others who document the episodes of this show--will attest, TNG consisted of 176 episodes in its 7-year run. Two of the episodes were feature-length and in reruns have sometimes been split into separate episodes but that does not change the episode total. I hope this clears up any confusion that may have been caused. Please feel free to message me if you have any questions or comments for me.

Jason — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonite75 (talkcontribs) 02:23, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. This is a classic example of why it's a good idea to always include an Edit Summary when you change something. You would probably be surprised by the number of vandals that edit an article, change something like "26" to "29", save it, and run off to make other messes. If you have a fact to present, cite it (in the article, not here). If you do that, you won't have any trouble from me--or the majority of recent-change patrollers in the community.
Please be careful with your sources, though—MemoryAlpha, while a great site, is a wiki; wikis (and other user-contributed sites) are not usually considered to be reliable sources (see WP:RS). — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Werewolf-response

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The Loup-garou addition was due to the fact that the loup-garou name (different from the other pages named that) redirects to Werewolf where it was mentioned that loup-garou is a French Werewolf. The redirect heads-up had to be mentioned somewhere. Rtkat3 (talk) 6:45, October 21 2012 (UTC)

(This reply moved to your Talk page, where it should have been placed, and I've responded there. Can't you read the notice on this page?) — UncleBubba T @ C ) 23:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

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Looking for more feedback from uninvolved parties for an RFC I posted at the page ALCAT test. The discussion is here: Talk:ALCAT test#RFC:Neutrality and reliable sources. Many thanks. Plot Spoiler (talk) 03:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Conquest of Lombardy

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(Heading added during Talk page cleanup because the original author didn't do so, which makes their comments much harder to notice.)

Hello The amendment I made was to simply correct an error i.e. The Conquest of Lombardy (the current sub-heading) is not/was not the same as the Conquest of the Lombard kingdom. The Lombard kingdom in 774 extended to a number of other regions (Tusica, Piemonte etc etc.) Sources are not necessary simply because this is evident from any casual glance at a map! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.83.84 (talk) 19:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Simple Mail Tranport Protocol page edits

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Hi ---

I noticed that you removed the link to CheckTLS. I'd like a chance to convince you it should stay.

The site does tens of thousands of free tests a month. There is no limit to how many free tests one person can do. We receive a lot of positive feedback, and we've never received a negative feedback. Our privacy policy is very strict and very good.

Yes, the site has advertising -- it's unobtrusive. Yes, the site promotes fee services. We both know there is no such thing as a free lunch -- we pay hosting fees for the two sites that host CheckTLS and make the free tests available.

I proposed the addition of the site three years ago for discussion. At that time I received a little feedback that it was OK; I guess most people who watched the page didn't care one way or another. I received no negative feedback there either. CheckTLS has been on the SMTP page for three years without a complaint.

Bottom line, the site is free, many people find it very useful, and no one has ever complained about anything about the site. I can't see how there is a better site the SMTP page could point to to help people test and understand the protocol.

--- Steve (sshoe at checktls.com) Sshoe (talk) 13:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

ps: I hope I can figure out how to see your answer.

Steve, the site to which you linked may do free tests, and it may do a zillion of them. The problem is that it really doesn't matter, as CheckTLS.com appears to meet all the criteria of a commercial web site. In fact, on the linked page, there are many solicitations for services from your company. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a search engine, nor is it a place to promote goods and services. There are some good essays that cover the subject far better than can I. Take a look at WP:EL (especially the sections at WP:ELNO and WP:ADV). Also, because of your apparent association with the linked site, the guidelines in WP:COI seem applicable. Finally, I recommend you look at WP:ADVERT, which pretty much sums up Wikipedia's stance on the subject. Afterwards, if you have any questions, please let me know—I'll be happy to answer them.
Thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 09:43, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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This is going to sound awfully random... but, if you would like your topicons on your userpage aligned a bit better, as opposed to on top of one another, I tweaked them and saved them to my userpage fixing subpage, User:Dainomite/userpage fixing1. If you do like it you can just edit the page and copy the entire bit and paste it into your userpage. Feel free to cut and paste and save my subpage "blank" if you will. If you want to make sure I only changed the topicons you can hit "show changes" to verify I didn't touch anything else. Anywho, I hope you don't mind and find this helpful.   Cheers, — -dainomite   08:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't mind a bit, but I don't have time to chase it right this second. I'll take a look at it as soon as I can, though. Thanks! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 20:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Scratch that. I was premature in saying it. I do have time, so I just replaced the page with the version you edited. Nice job! You did exactly what you said you did, and the new version looks better. Thanks again! I'll clear your edit-sandbox page as requested. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 20:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Not a problem good sir, if you need/want anything else tweaked just give me a shout.   -dainomite   21:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hello UncleBubba! This message is to inform you that due to editing inactivity, your access to AutoWikiBrowser may be temporarily removed. If you do not resume editing within the next week, your username will be removed from the CheckPage. This is purely for routine maintenance and is not indicative of wrongdoing on your part. You may regain access at any time by simply requesting it at WP:PERM/AWB. Thank you! MusikBot II talk 20:22, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Ronald McDonald

I just took the issue to the talk page, I apologize for the whole editing back and fourth issue I've been doing to it. I wasn't trying to cause harm, I was only trying to fix it back to normal. Because I'm the one that originally added in 1975 by mistake in the past edits. 2600:1000:B039:E407:D14A:4E62:E42D:9EB9 (talk) 20:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

I just restored the text you deleted off my Talk page. Don't do that! You should never remove text from someone else's Talk page without their knowledge. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 01:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Apology

Hey Bubba, I owe you an apology. I'm really sorry about my edits in the Ronald McDonald article, I know it's against the Wiki policey to edit war against users and I know I shouldn't have done that in the first place. I'm just letting you know I'm sorry and I will not do it again. I really hope you forgive me. 2600:1000:B07C:3A4F:E564:7D48:54B:FD08 (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

It's not a problem. Really. The subject is pretty confusing, and complicated by the fact that McDonalds Corp apparently isn't very open to discussing the actors they've employed to play the part. Thanks for reaching out! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 16:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Ted Kaczynski

I have raised a dispute on the talk page as you suggested. I also asked the last person who added the disputed link to comment. 73.71.251.64 (talk) 17:36, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Naya Rivera

Hi. You mentioned not changing an article unless discussing it. Last I checked, anyone can edit a wiki page. And yes, it does matter. No one can actually prove she died on July 8th. Anything before her body was found is merely presumed. Even the coroners are speculating that she died within minutes. Her death certificate lists the date of death as July 13th.

@Parksandrecfan2013: You obviously didn't read the edit notice above (or don't care enough to follow its simple instructions)—you should have replied on your own Talk page. Nevertheless, I strongly suggest you spend a little time familiarizing yourself with the way the encyclopedia works. There are plenty of reference articles you can read to get you started on a path to constructively contribute to Wikipedia. However, winning arguments isn't one of them. Consider this: the article you're edit-warring on is protected against spurious changes, and the edits you keep re-adding are not visible to the general population of Wikipedia users until someone with a little seniority accepts them. Sorry. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 03:44, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@UncleBubba: chill. I sent this before I saw yours. I thought I deleted it. You win, though. I refuse to be belittled by someone who’s hobby is “patrolling recent changes to high-volume Wikipedia pages.” I have a life. Have me banned if you want, I don’t care.

Template:Marriage

I have a question about your comment regarding an edit in Dallas McKennon. You wrote, "As marriage ended by death of McKennon, not by death of his spouse, the year 2009 is omitted here. See instructions on Template:Marriage for more info." I am missing something as I read the documentation for that template. Under "Description" for "<end date>", I see "Year or full date when the marriage ended..." with no mention of an exception for the death of the article's subject.

Where is the statement about omitting the end year? Eddie Blick (talk) 00:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi! All I did on that page was revert a Pending Changes edit that removed the comment about the date of the end of his marriage. The IP editor had removed the comment without any explanation of why, and that's not really good cooperative behavior. I was not the original author of that comment, so I don't have any more information to give you. Sorry... — UncleBubba T @ C ) 02:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
My apologies! I misinterpreted what I saw in the differences. I have seen similar changes made on other biographies but have yet to find documentation to support them. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

FYI

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Art_of_Odessa ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

That was a great catch! I am glad you made the connection, they have both been blocked as socks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: I'm glad I noticed it, too; I almost missed it. I'm far more grateful, though, that you took the time to ferret out his misbehavior on Commons and document it. Thanks! I've been hanging around Wikipedia for a while (with some long activity gaps for real-life stuff), and one thing I really feel passionate about is keeping various miscreants from hijacking the free encyclopedia for personal gain. It's nice to see other people feel strongly about it, too. I'm glad I had a chance to work with you (albeit indirectly), because I learned something new (that "interaction timeline" tool). Maybe we'll run into each other again sometime. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 20:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Calvin and Hobbes

I think you may have misread the section you removed here. It did not say that Watterson "portrayed himself", as you state in your edit summary, but that "Watterson himself portrayed a grown-up Calvin...", which in this context (i.e. the adult Calvin) means that Watterson drew ("portrayed") Calvin as an adult during a few strips. This is true, although I agree that it is poorly written and needs a source (at the least the strip dates). Vyselink (talk) 21:17, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Vyselink: Ha! You're absolutely right (about both the meaning and the shoddy composition). Re-reading it, the sentence's murky meaning is fairly clear: "portrayed" tends to connote acting. Thanks for letting me know! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 09:20, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Law Degree

"Assertion, in a BLP page, of type of law degree unsupported by the cited ref. (Was it really a J.D., or did he earn an LL.D., a D.L., or an S.J.D.?)"

No United States university, college, or law school awards the LL.D. or D.L. as an earned degree.

As the Wikipedia Juris Doctor article states, beginning with 1971, every United States law school has awarded the Juris Doctor (J.D.) as the first degree in law. As the article also states, the University of Chicago Law School is an exception: It has always awarded the Juris Doctor (J.D.) as its first degree in law.

And so, anyone whose first earned degree from a United States law school was awarded in 1971 or later (or from the University of Chicago Law School) has earned a Juris Doctor (J.D.)2601:205:3:DEE2:F4CF:6882:4884:29B2 (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think you understood what I wrote and, since you don't have an account (other than various IPv6 addresses or 73.192.242.220) it's really hard to talk to you. Why don't you create an account? The point is not that the sky is blue. Wikipedia doesn't contain original research, so we may include the statement "the sky is blue" only when we can cite a reliable source (preferably a secondary one) that says so. That's the way it works.
The other issue is understandability. I can report that "so-and-so ingested acetylsalicylic acid to relieve acute cranial neuralgia", or I can say that "so-and-so took some aspirin for a headache". Unless the increased level of accuracy imbued in the technical text is necessary for the article, you should use common terms. If you really want to include "J.D." in every article that mentions a "law degree", you must A) cite a reliable source that says the article's subject received a J.D., and B) explain what "J.D." means (parenthetically if necessary). Anything less than that works contrary to the purpose of the encyclopedia, and isn't allowed. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 05:13, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
You are raising two different issues. I am only addressing one of them at present: If a biography already cites a source which makes clear that an American graduated from an American law school during or after 1971 (or from the University of Chicago Law School at any time), then the subject must have been awarded a Juris Doctor/J.D. and there is no need for any additional source beyond the Juris Doctor Wikipedia article itself. Furthermore, many of the accompanying short descriptions on the right side of the page themselves reference the J.D., establishing that that is the degree that was received2601:205:3:DEE2:403B:D1A3:5632:1770 (talk) 06:45, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Of course I'm discussing two issues; your changes raised them, and they are inextricably linked:
  • You are asserting that the people who are subjects of the articles received JDs when the cited sources say "law degree". Your reasoning seems to be valid (I've not researched it, but I have no reason to believe you're not telling the truth), but it constitutes ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and that's not allowed here. Do note that, in the few places where the cited source says "JD" (e.g. Fritz Knaak), I left your edit intact (although I may have parenthetically explained "JD", per below).
  • You seem to be running through articles en masse, changing a commonly understood term ("law degree") to a less common one, and you're doing it seemingly without regard to the majority of Wikipedia readers, who may not know what a J.D. is. Granted, they can click on the link when they hit an arcane term in an article, but that's disruptive to the reading process, and inconsiderate to the readers of biography pages who may not, themselves, be academics. We should not make readers do that without a really good reason.
You bring up some excellent points about the degrees. I, too, want the encyclopedia to be as accurate as possible, but there are rules for including information here, and they have been developed over time to encourage accuracy and deter abuse. They are especially important in biographies of living persons (BLP) articles, and are enforced much more rigidly there because Wikipedia is considered a trusted source by search engines, with material added here being quickly slurped up by Google, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, etc. and shown to the world.
I don't want to fight with you, but I am going to do my best to convince you not to sacrifice clarity on the altar of accuracy.
By the way, are you trying to increase your anonymity by editing my Talk page using an IPv6 address (and editing the articles using an IPv4 address)? If so, I recommend you get an account here. When you edit WP without logging on, your IP address(es) is(are) recorded and visible to everyone to see; if you sign on using an account, all that info is hidden. It's your choice, but I recommend you consider it. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 16:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your thoughtful and comprehensive responses.
You are asserting that the ... subjects of the articles received JDs when the cited sources say "law degree". Your reasoning seems to be valid ..., but it constitutes ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and that's not allowed here.
It is not original research. It is akin to encountering a biography which states that its subject was born in the City of New York and changing it to state that its subject was born in New York, New York. (All those born in the City of New York were also born in the State of New York.) This constitutes applying an inevitable conclusion, not engaging in original research.
You seem to be ... changing a commonly understood term ("law degree") to a less common one, and you're doing it seemingly without regard to the majority of Wikipedia readers, who may not know what a J.D. is. Granted, they can click on the link when they hit an arcane term in an article, but that's disruptive to the reading process, and inconsiderate to the readers of biography pages who may not, themselves, be academics.
But the vast majority of Wikipedia articles already use the term Juris Doctor or J.D. for those who graduated from law school during or after 1971. For these individuals, Juris Doctor or J.D. is by far the more commonly used term. The horse has already left the barn.
By the way, are you trying to increase your anonymity by editing my Talk page using an IPv6 address (and editing the articles using an IPv4 address)?
No, I am unaware of that distinction. 2601:205:3:DEE2:6051:47E6:9B06:C824 (talk) 18:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Original research is drawing a conclusion from a source and writing about it here. Please read this article: WP:OR. You should also understand that Wikipedia does not allow contributions made from synthesis, or the combination of material from multiple places (see WP:SYNTH). You seem to think it's OK to run through WP articles and change every occurrence of "law degree" (or "JD") to "J.D.". In some cases (i.e. where supported by the cited source), that's fine, but, as I've told you before, where the source material says "law degree", you must leave it alone.
Thinking "the source says law degree, but all Law Degrees issued in the US during that time are really J.D. degrees, so I'll change it" is original research because you're inferring something from the source that is not written there. Do not do this.
Secondly, if you went out on the street and asked passersby "What is a law degree?" and "What is a J.D.?", you would find more people are familiar with the former term than with the latter. WP is meant to be understandable by average readers, and there is a real art to explaining complex topics in simple terms. You are not improving the encyclopedia by inserting a less-common term in place of one that is more widely understood; absolute accuracy and arcane precision are not always the best choices. Should I tell you "I have circumscribed dermal edema consistent with urticaria", or should I say "I have an itchy rash"? The former is far more accurate, but many more people will understand the latter statement. The same rationale applies to abbreviations. I would never tell someone I'd just met "I hold an ASEL/AMEL/IA, and LTA/B-AH certificate." Rather, I'll just say "I'm a pilot". If they wanted more detail, I might say "I'm a private pilot with an instrument rating, and fly hot-air balloons." I would never hit anyone (other than another pilot or an FAA guy) with the alphabet soup, because they probably wouldn't understand (and they'd probably think I was an arrogant ass for talking that way).
That said, you should not run a massive search/replace in these articles. If you want to say J.D., fine. Find a reliable source and cite it. (NOTE: Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources for other Wikipedia articles.) THEN, make sure the resulting sentence is as clear to the majority of readers as was the former one. If the article said "Joe Blow received a law degree from Catatonic State University", your new sentence should probably read "Joe Blow received a [[Juris Doctor|J.D.]] (law) degree from Catatonic State University". — UncleBubba T @ C ) 15:45, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

"L.I"

The cited ref isn't retrievable, but the text was pretty specific, so we need to assume it was quoted accurately ("LI.B./J.D." and "LI.M."). If you want to make this change, you need to cite a reliable source and explain it.

There are no such degrees as the LI.B. or LI.M. They do not exist. They cannot be found anywere else on Wikipedia. Because the J.D. replaced the LL.B., "we need to assume" that LI.B. reprsents confusion between a capital i (I) and a small l, and a capital l (l). Similar logic applies to the LL.M., which is the degree that follows the LL.B./J.D.2601:205:3:DEE2:BC1C:15F:C86B:19A8 (talk) 02:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

His CV proves what I have been saying. It is LL.B. and LL.M: https://specialedu.ku.edu/sites/specialedu.ku.edu/files/docs/people/vita/R_Turnbull-02-22-17.pdf 73.192.242.220 (talk) 06:04, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
(The following is almost exactly what I posted on the Talk:H._Rutherford_Turnbull page. It's really a waste of time to say the same thing in multiple places, and it scatters the discussion. Please don't do that.)
Great! That's good information! Now, here's what you need to do: correct the uppercase/lowercase error in the article (i.e. change "LI.B" and "LI.M" to "LL.B" and "LL.M", respectively), and at the same time cite this information (the CV, along with the page number) as the authoritative source for your edit, PROOFREAD IT, and post it to the article. If you want to be considerate of other Wikipedia editors, you should also state, clearly and concisely in your Edit Summary, what you've done, and why. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 14:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Please do not "fix" redirects

Please do not "fix" redirects as you did here. Please read WP:NOTBROKEN. I would add that the IP in question is a long-term abuse editor, whio has been blocked many times under many IP addresses. DuncanHill (talk) 16:21, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Point taken. Thanks for letting me know. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 16:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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Internetting

Hey, you're probably right. In my mind I wasn't being uncivil when I challenged people on their arguments, and I don't think I've used uncivil language. However, an RfC is probably not the place for the actual debate, and my responses are probably disruptive and clutter up the chat. Based on that, I'd outright remove my response to Wwwhatsup, but things would look even weirder with your response to my response still hanging there. I'll keep quiet in the RfC from now on.

Regarding my suggestion for you read the guidelines again - forgive me, but I feel the need to just clarify this point, as you seem to have been a bit put out by it. I didn't mean it like "you need to get your head checked out, you're talking nuts", if that's how it came across. I meant it literally, in that your statement suggested you'd maybe misread the guideline. Specifically, there is no requirement for "a majority" of reliable sources in the guideline, and no one has suggested that. That's what I was trying to straighten out. But perhaps I've misunderstood something myself. Popcornfud (talk) 23:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I have continued editing

If you have problems with my editing kindly report it to the admins, but do not undo the good faith edits that I made, starting today. I won't take a 1-week break as per your advise. Thank you! Angus1986 TALK 09:34, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I never advised you to "take a 1-week break" (and the noun, "advice", is spelled with a "c", by the way). I will treat any edits you make exactly as I would any others. If they are beneficial, I won't touch them. If you edit carelessly, I'll remove or correct the problems I see. Edit competently (see WP:CIR) and you won't hear a word from me, except for an occasional "thank you". — UncleBubba T @ C ) 14:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
I looked it up on Google and Merriam-Webster and "advise" appears to be the British spelling.(I was curious if you had said anything about me on your talk page and found you didn't, but...) 99.137.85.166 (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@WinnerWolf99: Actually, that's incorrect. Please see [11], which defines the "-ise" spelling as a verb and the "-ice" spelling as a noun (on both sides of the pond). It even includes the admonishment: Note: Do not confuse with the noun, advice.
While we're at it, please DO NOT EVER edit historical information on other users' Talk pages, especially without their permission/knowledge. It's great that you created an account, but the message posted above came from an IP address. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 21:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh lol
Ok, I will let them know before doing so — WinnerWolf99 talkWhat did I break now? 21:37, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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New talk page template for misuse of grammar tools?

Hi, I'm still seeing issues with the use of tools like Grammarly, so I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace asking if there could be a new single-level or multi-level talk page notice to address this. Cheers, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2020 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2020.

                 Current and upcoming events

Election time: our end-of-year Election of Coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before Auld Lang Syne. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

December Blitz: This will run from 13 to 19 December, and will target all Requests. Sign up now.

Drive and Blitz reports

September Drive: 67 fewer articles had copy-edit templates by this month's close. Of the 27 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and 124 articles were claimed for the drive.

October Blitz: this ran from 18 to 24 October, and focused on articles tagged for copy-edit in July and August 2020, and all Requests. Of the 13 who signed up, 11 editors copy-edited at least one article. 21 articles were claimed for the blitz.

November Drive: Of the 18 editors who signed up, 15 copy-edited at least one article, and together claimed 134 articles. At the close of the drive, 67 fewer articles were in the backlog and we had dealt with 39 requests.

Other news

Progress report: As of 09:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors had processed 663 requests (18 from 2019) since 1 January and there were 52 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 494 (see monthly progress graph above).

Annual Report for 2020: this roundup of the year's activity at the Guild is planned for publication in late January or early February.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Seasonal tidings and cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, Puddleglum2.0, Tdslk and Twofingered Typist.

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 19

20:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

/* History */ Corrected the origination of IMAP at Stanford University

Hello, This is WilliamJYeager. Sorry I didn't understand exactly how to add a little more reality to my changes. Since this happened 35 or so years ago, there are not too many sources. But, RFC1064 for IMAP2 validates part of what I wrote. Strangely, it leaves out the developers. It also does not note that IMAP was supported by an NIH grant as part of the Stanford Knowledge System Labs SUMEX-AIM portion. This portion was for my proposal to develop what became IMAP. Mark was not the unique inventor by a long shot. I don't see where it is documented that he was. He did write the IMAP2 RFC which I edited. The director of SUMEX-AIM at this time was Thomas Rindfleish. Happy, he's still alive an well. Will an email message from him verifying those claims I made be a sufficient addition. If not, I can most likely can create a webpage on the Knowledge Systems Lab website. It will be validated by Tom. It's really sad that such an inaccurate representation of the true history of IMAP is on wikipedia. Oh, I can hopefully find the Stanford Computer Science documentation for V/VGTS. Prof. David Cheriton is still there, and is a close friend. V's quite old and what I seek may be archived. No matter. I'll give it a shot. Thanks so much for cluing me in on how to properly substantiate what I write on a wikipedia webpage. William (Bill) Yeager — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamjyeager (talkcontribs) 01:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

@Williamjyeager: I recommend you proceed very carefully, and only after you have reviewed the applicable policy pages on contributing material about yourself or your accomplishments. In short, you can't just "create a Web page" and cite it, because that's not a reliable source (see WP:RS and WP:COI). Ideally, Wikipedia cites secondary sources published by reliable organizations; blogs, self-published works, etc. are generally unacceptable.
While there is nothing wrong with editing articles you have no interest in or connection to, the smartest way deal with a COI situation (after disclosing it) is to use the {{request edit}} template to ask someone else to make the desired changes to the article.
I'm sorry that these rules have to be enforced, but you would probably not believe the BS that some people want to put into Wikipedia pages. One of my favorite examples is Pedro Paulet, a Peruvian (and, in my opinion, demonstrated fraudster) who claimed to have invented liquid-fueled rockets before Goddard. That article is sort of a pet project of mine, and I regularly have to remove misleading information posted by some apparently well-meaning people who, usually for reasons of national pride, want Paulet's claims to be true. Alas, wishing doesn't make it so.
Also, please read the templated text I posted to your Talk page—it outlines the steps you must take in the event of a conflict of interest. Cheers! — UncleBubba T @ C ) 03:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

internet as an proper adjective

when "internet" is capitalized, is there some consensus in wikip style world that it then functions as a proper adjective? or maybe it doesn't need to be? (diff) skakEL 17:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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Reverted changes to ENEA AB page 2021-01-26

While I left what I thought was an adequate and easily verifiable summary:

"Removed factually incorrect statement that read as if OSE was released in 2009"

Maybe it was not enough for people not acquainted with the product or company.

The restored statement makes it appear that the OSE realtime operating system was released initially in 2009, this is patently false as I have first hand knowledge of its existence since the '90s.

Hence my decision to move reference [3] to its right place, as it only announces the release of OSE for multicore systems and to remove the misleading statement.

Unfortunately, I'm no longer in contact with Bengt Eliasson (I had the honour of sitting beside him at work for some time) so I cannot provide a firm date for the relase of OSE.

I have second-hand knowledge that OSE for 68k systems was already released in 1992, but no linkable source; as evidence that 2009 is far off from the birth of OSE, this comparison between OSE and RUFUS (please go to page 8 for English abstract) dates to 2000.


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hello

Please don't reply on my Talk page to messages left on your Talk page
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I am sorry I didnt know about the iloveyou virus thing, I just joined 2 months ago and not used to editing, Ilikememes128 (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

hello

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I am sorry I didn't know about the talk page thing --Ilikememes128 (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

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Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 20

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Re: Beetlejuice

I was the anonymous user who edited the page; what was wrong with them? DrakeyC (talk) 22:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@DrakeyC: I thought I made my reasoning pretty clear in my Edit Summary (which you should include with every edit, BTW). It's been a while, but what comes to mind is a change you made to a sentence in the first Plot paragraph, "At their home the two return but find they have no recollection of what happened after the crash or how they got back home ...", which I noticed because the word "home" appears twice in it. More important, though, the phrase "at their home the two return but find" just doesn't make a lot of sense; the original ("When the two return home they find") was much better.
You're right, though: the copy in that section does need some work—perhaps quite a bit. Thanks for the reminder; I'm going to take a look at it as soon as I get my "real" work finished. — UncleBubba T @ C ) 23:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
Okay. No complaints on the new revision, just going to make one formatting edit for consistency in referring to the Handbook. DrakeyC (talk) 16:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
I did make a couple grammar corrections and wording changes. The biggest major change; mentioning the name of Maxie's wife in the middle of the sentence and specifying how they were dispatched, then saying "and Otho" at the end made it a bit awkward to read, and giving these two details is not really necessary to the overall summary. DrakeyC (talk) 17:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Greetings, I have noticed that you have left a message on my talk page yesterday. My response to you is: bite me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoobServer625 (talkcontribs) 03:17, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021).

 

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  • When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
  • When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
  • There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).

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  • Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
  • Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

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  • When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
  • Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)

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  • The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

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  • Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

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Guild of Copy Editors June 2021 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, our first newsletter of 2021, which is a brief update of Guild activities since December 2020. To unsubscribe, follow the link at the bottom of this box.

Current events

Election time: Voting in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 16 June and will conclude at the end of the month. GOCE coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Have your say and show support here.

June Blitz: Our June copy-editing blitz is underway and will conclude on 26 June.

Drive and blitz reports

January Drive: 28 editors completed 324 copy edits totalling 714,902 words. At the end of the drive, the backlog had reached a record low of 52 articles. (full results)

February Blitz: 15 editors completed 48 copy edits totalling 142,788 words. (full results)

March Drive: 29 editors completed 215 copy edits totalling 407,736 words. (full results)

April Blitz: 12 editors completed 23 copy edits totalling 56,574 words. (full results)

May Drive: 29 editors completed 356 copy edits totalling 479,013 words. (full results)

Other news

Progress report: as of 26 June, GOCE participants had completed 343 Requests since 1 January. The backlog has fluctuated but remained in control, with a low of 52 tagged articles at the end of January and a high of 620 articles in mid-June.

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Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

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  • Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
  • An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

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  • IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

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  • An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

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  • Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)

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  • The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.

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September 2021 Guild of Copy Editors newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2021 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the September GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since June 2021.

                 Current and upcoming events

September Drive: Our current backlog-elimination drive is open until 23:59 on 30 September (UTC) and is open to all copy editors. Sign up today!

Drive and Blitz reports

June Blitz: From 20 to 26 June, 6 participating editors claimed 16 copy edits, focusing on requests and articles tagged in March and April. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

July Drive: Almost 575,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 24 people who signed up, 18 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here.

August Blitz: From 15 to 21 August, we copy edited articles tagged in April and May 2021 and requests. 9 participating editors completed 17 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Other news

June election: Jonesey95 was chosen to continue as lead coordinator, assisted by Dhtwiki, Tenryuu, and Miniapolis.

New maintenance template added to our project scope: After a short discussion in June, we added {{cleanup tense}} to the list of maintenance templates that adds articles to the Guild's copy editing backlog categories. This change added 198 articles, spread over 97 months of backlog, to our queue. We processed all of those articles except for those from the three or four most recent months during the July backlog elimination drive (Here's a link to a "tense" discussion during the drive).

Progress report: As of 18:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 468 requests since 1 January and there were 60 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog of articles tagged for copy-editing stood at 433 (see monthly progress graph above).

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  • A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
  • Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
  • The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.

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  • Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
  • The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.

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December 2021 GOCE Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2021 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the December GOCE newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since September 2021.

                 Current and upcoming events

Election time: Our end-of-year election of coordinators opened for nominations on 1 December and will close on 15 December at 23:59 (UTC). Voting opens at 00:01 the following day and will continue until 31 December at 23:59, just before "Auld Lang Syne". Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

December Blitz: We have scheduled a week-long copy-editing blitz for 12 to 18 December. Sign up now!

Drive and Blitz reports

September Drive: Almost 400,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 27 people who signed up, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here.

October Blitz: From 17 to 23 October, we copy edited articles tagged in May and June 2021 and requests. 8 participating editors completed 26 copy edits on the blitz. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

November Drive: Over 350,000 words of articles were copy edited for this event. Of the 21 people who signed up, 14 copyedited at least one article. Final results and awards are listed here.

Other news

It is with great sadness that we report the death on 19 November of Twofingered Typist, who was active with the Guild almost daily for the past several years. His contributions long exceeded the thresholds for the Guild's highest awards, and he had a hand in innumerable good and featured article promotions as a willing collaborator. Twofingered Typist also served as a Guild coordinator from July 2019 to June 2021. He is sorely missed by the Wikipedia community.

Progress report: As of 30 November, GOCE copyeditors have completed 619 requests in 2021 and there were 51 requests awaiting completion on the Requests page. The backlog stood at 946 articles tagged for copy-editing (see monthly progress graph above).

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The WikiEagle - January 2022

 
The WikiEagle
The WikiProject Aviation Newsletter
Volume I — Issue 1
Aviation Project • Project discussion • Members • Assessment • Outreach • The WikiEagle
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  • After over a decade of silence, the WikiProject Aviation newsletter is making a comeback under the name The WikiEagle. This first issue was sent to all active members of the project and its sub-projects. If you wish to continue receiving The WikiEagle, you can add your username to the mailing list. For now the newsletter only covers general project news and is run by only one editor. If you wish to help or to become a columnist, please let us know. If you have an idea which you believe would improve the newsletter, please share it; suggestions are welcome and encouraged.
  • On 16 December, an RfC was closed which determined theaerodrome.com to be an unreliable source. The website, which is cited over 1,500 articles, mainly on WWI aviation, as of the publishing of this issue.
  • Luft46.com has been added to the list of problematic sources after this discussion.
  • The Jim Lovell article was promoted to Featured Article status on 26 December after being nominated by Hawkeye7.
  • The Raymond Hesselyn article was promoted to Good Article status on 4 December after being nominated by Zawed.
  • The Supermarine Sea King article was promoted to Good Article status on 22 December after being nominated by Amitchell125.
  • The William Hodgson (RAF officer) article was promoted to Good Article status on 26 December after being nominated by Zawed.
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  • The user group oversight will be renamed suppress in around 3 weeks. This will not affect the name shown to users and is simply a change in the technical name of the user group. The change is being made for technical reasons. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.
  • The Reply Tool feature, which is a part of Discussion Tools, will be opt-out for everyone logged in or logged out starting 7 February 2022. Editors wishing to comment on this can do so in the relevant Village Pump discussion.

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  • Access to Special:RevisionDelete has been expanded to include users who have the deletelogentry and deletedhistory rights. This means that those in the Researcher user group and Checkusers who are not administrators can now access Special:RevisionDelete. The users able to view the special page after this change are the 3 users in the Researcher group, as there are currently no checkusers who are not already administrators. (T301928)
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GOCE April 2022 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2022 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the April newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since December 2021.

Election results: Jonesey95 retired as lead coordinator. Reidgreg was approved to fill this role after an 18-month absence from the coordinator team, and Baffle gab1978 was chosen as an assistant coordinator following a one-year break. Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Tenryuu continued on as long-standing assistant coordinators.

January Drive: Of the 22 editors who signed up, 16 editors claimed 146 copy edits including 45 requests. (details)

February Blitz: This one-week effort focused on requests and a theme of Africa and African diaspora history. Of the 12 editors who signed up, 6 editors recorded 21 copy edits, including 4 requests. (details)

March Drive: Of the 28 editors who signed up, 18 claimed 116 copy edits including 25 requests. (details)

April Blitz: This one-week copy editing event has been scheduled for 17–23 April, sign up now!

Progress report: As of 11 April, copy editors have removed approximately 500 articles from the backlog and completed 127 copy-editing requests during 2022. The backlog has been hovering at about 1,100 tagged articles for the past six months.

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June GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2022 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the June 2022 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since April 2022. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Blitz: of the 16 editors who signed up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, 12 completed at least one copy-edit, and between them removed 21 articles from the copy-editing backlog. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: 27 editors signed up for our May Backlog Elimination Drive; of these, 20 copy-edited at least one article. 144 articles were copy-edited, and 88 articles from our target months August and September 2021 were removed from the backlog. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: our June Copy Editing Blitz, starting at 00:01, 19 June and closing at 00:59, 25 June (UTC), will focus on articles tagged for copy edit in September and October 2021, and requests from March, April and May 2022. Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 07:12, 14 June 2022 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have completed 209 requests since 1 January and the backlog stands at 1,404 articles.

Election news: Nominations for our half-yearly Election of Coordinators continues until 23:50 on 15 June (UTC), after which, voting will commence until 23:59, 30 June (UTC). All Wikipedians in good standing (active and not blocked, banned, or under ArbCom or community sanctions) are eligible and self-nominations are welcomed.

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  • user_global_editcount is a new variable that can be used in abuse filters to avoid affecting globally active users. (T130439)

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2022

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2022).

 

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  • An RfC has been closed with consensus to add javascript that will show edit notices for editors editing via a mobile device. This only works for users using a mobile browser, so iOS app editors will still not be able to see edit notices.
  • An RfC has been closed with the consensus that train stations are not inherently notable.

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  • The Wikimania 2022 Hackathon will take place virtually from 11 August to 14 August.
  • Administrators will now see links on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. (T308570)

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  • The arbitration case request Geschichte has been automatically closed after a 3 month suspension of the case.

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  • You can vote for candidates in the 2022 Board of Trustees elections from 16 August to 30 August. Two community elected seats are up for election.
  • Wikimania 2022 is taking place virtually from 11 August to 14 August. The schedule for wikimania is listed here. There are also a number of in-person events associated with Wikimania around the world.
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  • A discussion is open to define a process by which Vector 2022 can be made the default for all users.
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  • An arbitration case regarding Conduct in deletion-related editing has been closed. The Arbitration Committee passed a remedy as part of the final decision to create a request for comment (RfC) on how to handle mass nominations at Articles for Deletion (AfD).
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Guild of Copy Editors' October 2022 newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors October 2022 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to our latest newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Drive: Of the 22 editors who signed up for our July Backlog Elimination Drive, 18 copy-edited, between them, 116 articles. Barnstars awarded are noted here.

Blitz: Participants in our August Copy Editing Blitz copy-edited 51,074 words in 17 articles. Of the 15 editors who signed up, 11 claimed at least one copy-edit. Barnstars awarded are noted here.

Drive: Forty-one editors took part in our September Backlog Elimination Drive; between them they copy-edited 199 articles. Barnstars awards are noted here.

Blitz: Our October Copy Editing Blitz begins on 16 October at 00:01 (UTC) and will end on 22 October at 23:59 (UTC). Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 19:57, 12 October 2022 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 303 requests for copy edit – including withdrawn and declined ones – since 1 January. At the time of writing, there are 77 requests awaiting attention and the backlog of tagged articles stands at 1,759. We always need more active, skilled copyeditors – particularly for requests – so please get involved if you can.

Election news: In our mid-year election, serving coordinators Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Reidgreg and Tenryuu were returned for another term, and were joined by new coordinator Zippybonzo. No lead coordinator was elected for this half-year. Jonesey95, a long-serving coordinator and lead, was elected as coordinator emeritus; we thank them for their service. Thank you to everyone who took part. Our next election of coordinators takes place throughout December. If you'd like to help out at the GOCE, please consider nominating yourself or other suitable editors (with their permission, of course!). It's your Guild, after all!

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Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors December 2022 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to our latest newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since October. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Blitz: Our October Copy Editing Blitz focused on July and August 2022 request months; and articles tagged for c/e in December 2021 and January 2022. Seventeen of those who signed up claimed at least one copy-edit, and between them copy-edited forty-six articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: In the November Backlog Elimination Drive, thirty editors signed up, twenty-two of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Both target months—December 2021 and January 2022—were cleared, and February was added to the target months. Sixteen requests were copy-edited and 239 articles were removed from the backlog. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: Our seven-day-long December 2022 Copy Editing Blitz begins on 17 December at 00:01 (UTC)*. It will focus on articles tagged for copy-edit in February 2022, and pending requests from September and October. Barnstars awarded will be available here.

Progress report: As of 22:40, 8 December 2022, GOCE copyeditors have processed 357 requests since 1 January, there were seventy-four requests outstanding and the backlog stands at 1,791 articles. We always need skilled copy-editors; please help out if you can.

Election news: Nomination of candidates for the GOCE's Election of Coordinators for the first half of 2023 is open and continues until 23:59 on 15 December. Voting begins at 00:01 on 16 December and closes at 23:59 on 31 December. All editors in good standing (not under ArbCom or community sanctions) are eligible and self-nominations are welcomed. Coordinators serve a six-month term that ends at 23:59 on June 30. If you've thought about helping out at the Guild, please nominate yourself or any editor you consider suitable—with their permission, of course!. It's your Guild and it doesn't coordinate itself.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers and best seasonal wishes from your GOCE coordinators, Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis, Tenryuu, and Zippybonzo.

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Guild of Copy Editors 2022 Annual Report

Guild of Copy Editors 2022 Annual Report
 

Our 2022 Annual Report is now ready for review.

Highlights:

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  • Summary of Drives, Blitzes, and the Requests page
  • Membership news and results of elections
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Guild of Copy Editors March 2023 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2023 Newsletter
 

 


Hello and welcome to the March 2023 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December and our Annual Report for 2022. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members, including those who have signed up for our current March Backlog Elimination Drive. We wish you all happy copy-editing.

Election results: In our December 2022 coordinator election, Reidgreg and Tenryuu stepped down as coordinators; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo were returned as coordinators until 1 July. For the second time, no lead coordinator was chosen. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators open on 1 June (UTC).

Drive: 21 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 14 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 170 articles totaling 389,737 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

Blitz: Our February Copy Editing Blitz focused on October and November 2022 requests, and the March and April 2022 backlogs. Of the 14 editors who signed up, nine claimed at least one copy-edit; and between them, they copy-edited 39,150 words in 22 articles. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: Sign up now for our month-long March Backlog Elimination Drive. Barnstars awarded will be posted here after the drive closes.

Progress report: As of 12:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 73 requests since 1 January 2023, all but five of them from 2022, and the backlog stands at 1,872 articles.

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  • As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

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  • The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

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Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors June 2023 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the June 2023 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since March. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

Election news: Fancy helping out at the Guild? Nominations for our half-yearly Election of Coordinators are open until 23:59 on 15 June (UTC)*. Starting immediately after, the voting phase will run until 23:59 on 30 June. All Wikipedians in good standing are eligible and self-nominations are welcomed; it's your Guild and it doesn't organize itself!

Blitz: Of the 17 editors who signed up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, nine editors completed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 24 articles totaling 53,393 words. Barnstars awarded are here.

Drive: 51 editors signed up for the month-long May Backlog Elimination Drive, and 31 copy-edited at least one article. 180 articles were copy-edited. Barnstars awarded are posted here.

Blitz: Sign up here for our week-long June Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 11 to 17 June. Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 03:09 on 6 June 2023, GOCE copyeditors have processed 91 requests since 1 January and the backlog stands at 1,887 articles.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Baffle gab1978, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybongo.

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2023).

 

  Administrator changes

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  Interface administrator changes

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
  • A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  • The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

  Miscellaneous

  • Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.

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Septermber GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors September 2023 Newsletter
 

 

Hello and welcome to the September 2023 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since June. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below.

David Thomsen: Prolific Wikipedian and Guild member David Thomsen (Dthomsen8) died in November 2022. He was a regular copy editor who took part in many of our Drives and Blitzes. An obituary was published in the mid-July issue of The Signpost. Tributes can be left on David's talk page.

Election news: In our mid-year Election of Coordinators, Dhtwiki was chosen as lead coordinator, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo continue as assistant coordinators, and Baffle gab1978 stepped down from the role. If you're interested in helping out at the GOCE, please consider nominating yourself for our next election in December; it's your WikiProject and it doesn't organize itself!

June Blitz: Of the 17 editors who signed up for our June Copy Editing Blitz, 12 copy-edited at least one article. 70,035 words comprising 26 articles were copy-edited. Barnstars awarded are here.

July Drive: 34 of the 51 editors who took part in our July Backlog Elimination Drive copy-edited at least one article. They edited 276 articles and 683,633 words between them. Barnstars awarded are here.

August Blitz: In our August Copy Editing Blitz, 13 of the 16 editors who signed up worked on at least one article. Between them, they copy-edited 79,608 words comprising 57 articles. Barnstars awarded are available here.

September Drive: Sign up here for our month-long September Backlog Elimination Drive, which is now underway. Barnstars awarded will be posted here.

Progress report: As of 14:29, 9 September 2023 (UTC), GOCE copy editors have processed 245 requests since 1 January. The backlog of tagged articles stands at 2,066.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators, Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Zippybonzo.

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Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text: Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.

  Technical news

  • Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


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Administrators' newsletter – November 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).

 

  Administrator changes

  0xDeadbeef
  Tamzin
  Dennis Brown

  Interface administrator changes

  Pppery
 

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  • Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
  • Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
  • Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
  • Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
  • Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
  • Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
  • An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

  Miscellaneous


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