Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Celine Farach

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 10:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Celine Farach

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Does not meet WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Provided coverage is largely not independent of the subject, as the only coverage in reliable sources (Vogue Japan, GQ) are rather fleeting interviews. Previously nominated for PROD, dePROD by the initial editor who claimed that the coverage in Vogue and GQ is independent. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable singer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's famous in East Asia but not the West. Period. Try googling with filter "site:*.vn" (Vietnam) or tw, jp, hk, etc. Or google her name in Japanese セリーヌ・ファラク or Chinese 席琳法拉奇. You would find more sources over the past two years. She has an artist's page on Universal Japan: https://www.universal-music.co.jp/celine-farach/ . I'm not excessively linking these, but that's not a reason for deletion. Lack of mentions from mainstream English media is not equivalent to no notability either. I'm not a fan of her, but I read much discussion on Chinese forums and turned to enwp first to know more, since she's an American, only to find a page deleted in 2013, so I started this stub, leaving it to her fans. When an American becomes famous in multiple Asian countries, an enwp entry would best serve readers from these countries, and yall should come up with better arguments for deletion than these lame ones rather fleeting interviews, I cherry-pick Google results or non-notable.--Roy17 (talk) 21:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

an "artist's page on Universal Japan" is nothing but a primary source that gives no independent indication of notability. Trillfendi (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - subject looks to fail WP:NMUSICIAN at this point. The article lacks the in-depth, independent sourcing to meet NMUSICIAN's points. WP:PRIMARY material does not establish notability, and issue given most of the sources in and off the article are primary.--SamHolt6 (talk) 00:23, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Subject's notability is not decided by the article. This person has been extensively covered by media in not just one but at least five territories. I am amused to see users arguing a wide range of well-established media are primary sources. Here are two additional pieces from each country fwiw:

It's a wonder she should be non-notable. How many non-notable musicians could get such prolonged coverage and a place on Universal Japan?--Roy17 (talk) 10:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so let's take a look at these sources. The Oricon coverage looks good to me if a bit short, the ATPress source looks like promotional coverage for a concert. Both of the Vietnamese sources seem to have an ok amount of depth, but I can't find anything that pushes me over either way as far as figuring out their reliability. The Hong Kong sources do not look reliable, as they appear to be trivial tabloid coverage. The Taiwanese coverage is trivial, comprising several swimsuit photos and some boilerplate comments from subject. Finally, the first Chinese source is just a photo gallery, while the second has some coverage of unclear reliability (published in the sports section of sina.com.cn of all places?) and which still seems to primarily exist to print a bunch fo swimsuit photos.

All in all, I'm on the fence, and would appreciate it if someone more familiar with the Vietnamese sources (as well as sina.com) could weigh in.

I would also add that it's not clear that you understand the difference between being famous and being notable. Notability has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia, and is a measure of significant coverage in reliable sources. It doesn't matter how well known someone is if the only coverage we can find is in their record company's artist profile and in tabloids of dubious reliability. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:43, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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