Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dabenja

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The result was delete. bibliomaniac 1 5 05:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dabenja

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The sources in the article are primary sources and are not independent of the subject. The awards the subject won is not a notable award. The subject has been making music since 2011 and still has not made a name for himself in the Nigerian music industry. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bibliographies-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:33, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Dabenja is a winner of African Entertainment Awards which is very notable. Aside from that, every information used to confirm notability is clearly listed in Google Search. Geezygee (talk) 19:16, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Geezygee: The African Entertainment Awards is not a notable award. Can you provide reliable sources that discuss this particular awards? How exactly does this subject pass WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO; which criterion does he meet? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 01:44, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ Versace1608 here you are, it has news published in several countries across Africa:

@Geezygee: Majority of these sources are not reliable; they are either self-published blogs or websites with no editorial oversight. These sources cannot be used to establish the award's notability. Please tell me which criterion of WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO do you think the subject meets? I'm awaiting your response. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ Versace1608 , aside been a recipient of the African Entertainment Awards ( as published by well-known websites like Ameyaw Debrah, Yen.com.gh and Ghbase ), he was also captured as a music performer by Getty Images at the 2017 Felabration (refer to https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/nigerian-musician-dabenja-performs-at-the-afrika-shrine-news-photo/860757802 ). Geezygee (talk) 14:20, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Geezygee, At this point, there's probably been hundreds of thousands of people captured in photos by Getty Images. This would have zero bearing in denoting notability. Sulfurboy (talk) 03:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG & WP:MUSICBIO. Celestina007 (talk) 02:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 02:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep I can see Vanguard news 📰 and Punch Newspapers, the biography is too early, but can be allowed per WP:NEXIST. An@ss_koko^{(speak up)}^©T® 13:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Anasskoko: The Vangudard and The Punch sources are not independent of the subject and cannot be used to establish notability. FYI, sources where the subject is talking about themselves are not considered independent coverage. You still haven't fully understood WP:GNG or WP:MUSCBIO. How can you #vote delete in this AFD discussion but vote keep here? Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 10:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I fully understand what Notability is all about, may be your are the one that does not understand what consensus is all about, not all the article that you tagged deserve to be deleted, that is why we are here in this AFD, had did been you was given an absolute right to deletion, you could have delete articles that stand a chance in Wikipedia, I said the article is weak but can be keep per WP:NEXIST, did I say 💭 per WP:MUSICBIO? you don't understand some voting clearly, I vote delete there, and I vote weak keep here according to reasons I provide, don't judge me base on my vote but base on my reasons, understand first before you make further questions. An@ss_koko^{(speak up)}^©T® 14:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Anasskoko: I am not judging you. If you're going to vote in AFDs, you need to stick to proving how the topic or the subject of the article actually meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. WP:NEXIST doesn't hold any weight here and isn't a valid keep criteria. WP:NEXIST states that "the absence of sources or citations in an article does not indicate that a subject is not notable". When did I indicate to you that I didn't review sources available outside of the article before nominating the article for deletion? By invoking WP:NEXIST, you are implying that reliable sources exist. Well, where are the reliable sources? List them here. FYI, before I nominate any article for deletion, I always do a Google search to make sure I'm not missing any sources. WP:BEFORE and WP:NEXIST actually complement each other. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Anasskoko: Why are you backing away from having a discussion with me? I'm still waiting for your response and answer to my question. If you're conceding, then you need to change your vote. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:37, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - No reliable, non-primary, non-passing mention sources. Koridas (Speak) 19:05, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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