- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Red Velvet (band). – Juliancolton | Talk 17:51, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Fails notability, not individually notable outside of Red Velvet (band) Snowflake91 (talk) 09:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment. Can someone comments on whether she fails WP:MUSICBIO? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:29, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Korea-related deletion discussions. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I believe that subject meets #2 of WP:MUSICBIO, as a member of Red Velvet (band). ValarianB (talk) 12:54, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: That doesnt apply to members, in that case every single member of any band/group in the world could have its own article, the person needs to be individually notable (i.e. have notable solo work) outside of group, number #2 on that criteria makes Red Velvet notable, and not all their members. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:24, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:MUSICBIO. She doesn't have notability outside Red Velvet. Everything mentioned is the usual, early days type of commentary. WP:TOOSOON. SW3 5DL (talk) 21:09, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. Clearly notable as an individual performer and celebrity, rather than simply as one of the members of Red Velvet (band), in the same manner as members of other performing groups, such as Spice Girls, achieved celebrity as individuals. Yeri (singer) has entries for herself, as an individual, in Spanish Wikipedia {here}, Korean Wikipedia {here}, Armenian Wikipedia {here}, Indonesian Wikipedia {here}, Portuguese Wikipedia {here}, Russian Wikipedia {here}, Turkish Wikipedia {here}, Vietnamese Wikipedia {here} and Chinese Wikipedia {here}. Every one of these articles has a photograph (different photograph for each article), an infobox and a write-up, confirming that her notability is world-wide. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:33, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: This is not a reason to keep, why does it matter if she has a stub article with a picture on other Wikipedias, where inclusion standards vary from country to country? She fails all 12 points at WP:MUSICBIO, so totally not relevant reason to keep, you didnt provide a source for a claim "Clearly notable as an individual performer and celebrity", she has no individual songs, she has not been casted as an actress, and everytime you're gonna search her name on google it will be red-velvet related stuff. Look at Talk:Myoui Mina, Talk:Im Nayeon, and Talk:Momo Hirai, those members are just like Yeri with no solo works (and they are currently much more popular in Korea), and the articles were easily merged into their group's article. And all Spice Girls members are clearly notable independently from the group with their solo musical releases / television and film appearances, so the argument is very poor. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Since WP:MUSICBIO has been mentioned, it should be noted that the guideline it expresses is almost a side issue in this case. While subject is well known as a member of a singing group, she is also a bona fide international celebrity whose image has appeared on magazine covers and entertainment sections of newspapers in the manner of other international celebrities such as Paris Hilton or the Kardashian sisters who have become "famous for being famous", without even possessing subject's performing talents. She has hosted a TV show, appears without other members of Red Velvet on talk and variety programs and has extended entries in ten Wikipedias, including those from the world's major languages (all with photos and infobox), with a majority of the articles also including a discography and career details. Of course, WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS, but we are not serving Wikipedia users in a helpful manner if a celebrity who has carved out an individual presence in the entertainment industry is redirected to a mention in a group article. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- The reason why there are articles on other wikipedias is because of WP:Fancruft, the fans feels an urge to create a stub article just because they can, and again inclusion standards for notability differs here, on English Wikipedia, then on Korean, Vietnamese, Indonesian etc. wikis. The only solo work she has is co-hosting a TV show for 6 months, but only that is not enough to pass notability criterias. And please dont compare Hilton or Kardashian with Yeri, they easily pass general WP:GN since there are "billions" of news reports about them, while Yeri is pretty much never mentioned as a solo member anywhere. Just google "Kim Yeri" and choose "news", the only results you get is some yellow tabloid news like This and This, not to mention that both websites are listed as unreliable per Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sources. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Since WP:MUSICBIO has been mentioned, it should be noted that the guideline it expresses is almost a side issue in this case. While subject is well known as a member of a singing group, she is also a bona fide international celebrity whose image has appeared on magazine covers and entertainment sections of newspapers in the manner of other international celebrities such as Paris Hilton or the Kardashian sisters who have become "famous for being famous", without even possessing subject's performing talents. She has hosted a TV show, appears without other members of Red Velvet on talk and variety programs and has extended entries in ten Wikipedias, including those from the world's major languages (all with photos and infobox), with a majority of the articles also including a discography and career details. Of course, WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS, but we are not serving Wikipedia users in a helpful manner if a celebrity who has carved out an individual presence in the entertainment industry is redirected to a mention in a group article. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 02:59, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: This is not a reason to keep, why does it matter if she has a stub article with a picture on other Wikipedias, where inclusion standards vary from country to country? She fails all 12 points at WP:MUSICBIO, so totally not relevant reason to keep, you didnt provide a source for a claim "Clearly notable as an individual performer and celebrity", she has no individual songs, she has not been casted as an actress, and everytime you're gonna search her name on google it will be red-velvet related stuff. Look at Talk:Myoui Mina, Talk:Im Nayeon, and Talk:Momo Hirai, those members are just like Yeri with no solo works (and they are currently much more popular in Korea), and the articles were easily merged into their group's article. And all Spice Girls members are clearly notable independently from the group with their solo musical releases / television and film appearances, so the argument is very poor. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:09, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:32, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- At this point some relevant questions may be warranted regarding this nomination. Since Red Velvet (band) has five members, why was the nomination not structured as a multiple redirect for all five? An examination of the articles for the other four members of Red Velvet — Irene (singer), Seulgi (singer), Wendy (singer) and Joy (singer) — confirms that there are no proposed deletion or redirect tags on any of their articles. Is there a waiting period to discover if this nomination succeeds before proceeding with one-by-one nominations of the remaining four members? Is there a contention that this member of Red Velvet is the sole non-notable member of the group and is therefore undeserving of an individual English Wikipedia entry in the manner of the other four members? Since the group has only five members, a WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS argument regarding the other four members would seem to be too broad to encompass the seemingly random choice of this group member for nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- All other four members are notable (Irene and Joy passes acting notability for having a lead role in a TV drama/series, while Wendy and Seulgi have solo musical releases which charted on Gaon Chart). Snowflake91 (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Accordingly, the answer to a key question above, "Is there a contention that this member of Red Velvet is the sole non-notable member of the group and is therefore undeserving of an individual English Wikipedia entry in the manner of the other four members?" is supposed to be accepted as "Yes". Nine brother/sister Wikipedias contend that she is sufficiently notable to warrant an individual entry, but English Wikipedia, which has higher standards than Russian, Chinese, Spanish, Portuguese or other Wikipedias, would insist that Red Velvet is composed of four notable and one non-notable member. Whether such insistence is based solely on WP:MUSICBIO or if other standards of notability, such as celebrity on an international scale, should also be taken into consideration, may be left to decide by other contributors to this discussion. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:11, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- All other four members are notable (Irene and Joy passes acting notability for having a lead role in a TV drama/series, while Wendy and Seulgi have solo musical releases which charted on Gaon Chart). Snowflake91 (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- At this point some relevant questions may be warranted regarding this nomination. Since Red Velvet (band) has five members, why was the nomination not structured as a multiple redirect for all five? An examination of the articles for the other four members of Red Velvet — Irene (singer), Seulgi (singer), Wendy (singer) and Joy (singer) — confirms that there are no proposed deletion or redirect tags on any of their articles. Is there a waiting period to discover if this nomination succeeds before proceeding with one-by-one nominations of the remaining four members? Is there a contention that this member of Red Velvet is the sole non-notable member of the group and is therefore undeserving of an individual English Wikipedia entry in the manner of the other four members? Since the group has only five members, a WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS argument regarding the other four members would seem to be too broad to encompass the seemingly random choice of this group member for nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- I just found out that this page has actually been already deleted/redirected once --> Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeri (singer), its true that this afd is 1 year old, but she gained no extra notability since then. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- If keep, move Kim Yeri to Yeri (singer) (current page move request). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:45, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Red Velvet (band); not independently notable per available sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- I forgot mentioning redirect, if the afd passes, it NEEDS to be redirected and NOT deleted, I copyedited the page and added more refs, so when she gets notable enough, we can simply restore the content instead of creating the whole page from scratch. Snowflake91 (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 07:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 07:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Red Velvet (band); deletion just creates a baitlink in red and we will be doing this again in six months. I also fail to see why someone didn't just boldly redirect this in the first place instead of the AfD, but maybe they did...? Montanabw(talk) 08:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
- Redirect to Red Velvet (band); no evidence of individual notability - single hosting gigs that most idols go through isn't enough for substantial notability out of the group. Evaders99 (talk) 00:56, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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