Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shanghainese people

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 13:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Shanghainese people

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better explained in the city article. viztor ✦ 08:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. viztor ✦ 08:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 09:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions. 94rain ^Talk 09:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Demographics of Shanghai - This article essentially duplicates what's there. FOARP (talk) 10:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These people have a distinct language. The other suggested pages don't cover all these aspects, such as the diaspora. In any case, merger into other pages would not be a matter of deletion -- see WP:MAD -- and so the policy WP:PRESERVE applies. Andrew D. (talk) 12:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - firstly, I disagree that Shanghainese people (which refers to the native people of Shanghai, who may or may not live there), and Demographics of Shanghai (which is about the people who currently live in Shanghai, who may or may not be natives) are, or should be, about the same thing so I strongly oppose the above redirect suggestion. So the next question is whether the current article meets WP:GNGs. It's not well-sourced at the moment but from a quick search of Google books and news, there seems to be no shortage of sources that could be added to pad this out into a very comprehensive and well-sourced article. Hugsyrup (talk) 12:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. This article right now certainly isn't about the native people of Shanghai. viztor ✦ 23:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - That sounds like an argument to improve the article, not delete it? Hug^syrup 08:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Then again these native people won't be called Shanghainese. This one is more similar to New Yorker, San Franciscan etc. viztor ✦ 11:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Added a few sources onto the article. Subject does have its languages and culture and it is not intelligently understand for who speak Mandarin, Cantonese or other languages and it does not applies to all resident to who live in Shanghai. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 14:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Shanghai dialect is discussed on Demographics of Shanghai. General statements about the abundance of sources doesn't dismiss duplication concerns. FOARP (talk) 18:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree with the arguments by Andrew and Hugsyrup, and the edits by Cassiopeia indicate to me the article not only meets WP:GNG criteria as a standalone page, but that the article has plenty of potential for improvement and expansion moving forward... — Hunter Ka hn 18:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Hugsyrup (talk) --SalmanZ (talk) 21:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep agreeing with editors above: the Shanghainese appear to be a distinct ethnic group with their own language. Demographics of Shanghai is different and refers to the people living in Shanghai, who may or may not be Shanghainese. Highway 89 (talk) 01:58, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- No scholarly articles ever said that. Just look it up, don't assume.viz ✦ 06:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Hugsyrup (talk). - MA Javadi (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.