Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Statham's Quarry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination withdrawn (non-admin close) Beeblbrox (talk) 05:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Statham's Quarry

It's a rock quarry. Generally that is not any more notable than, say, an individual farm, and I don't see any indication anything particularly special ever happened at this quarry. Beeblbrox (talk) 02:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Given that I was given about two minutes up and have been elaborating upon the local context I think such a reaction is quite lacking in Agf considering that if I have been through the sufficient contexts there are so many related articles that have never been touched. I ask the nominator to withdraw the afd and at least give the article creator some time to at least give the adeqate context Satu Suro 03:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We're talking about this article, not some other articles. Give some reason why this quarry meets the general notability guideline and I'd be more than happy to withdraw the nom. Beeblbrox (talk) 03:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —WWGB (talk) 03:31, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is specifically a quarry on the darling scarp that (a) was a significant source of material for landmarks in Perth (b) has a complex interaction with other properties in the area (stathams brickworks in glen forrest) which requires a careful explaation as to why more than one location has been known as 'stathams' on the darling range (c) being identified as a dolerite dyke on the darling scarp makes it a unique geological dyke in the geological framewok of the scarp (d) repeated bushfires at the site specifically has seen the demise of the quarrying operation, as well as significant ecological change at the site itself (e) as a recreational site is one of a very few quarry sites on the sacrp where climbing is not considered dangerous http://www.climberswa.asn.au/climbwa/crags.asp?region=Around%20Perth&crag=Stathams_Quarry&sort=NAME (f) is part of the former ziz zag railway location and operations (g) is well documented as a location (h) is part of the walk trail system of the local authority (i) is part of the reserves of helena valleyt and oddly due to the regular and seriously affected firing - the quarry and its surrounds are siginficant indicators of degraded lands due to fires - similar to the hills of queenstown in tasmania (j) it is unique due to its visual impact on the scarp - and was part of the arguments that were happening during the darling range national park consultations in the 1980's

and thats just the start. Satu Suro 03:38, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment(ec) Is "one of the most extensive dolerite dykes on the Darling Scarp" a claim that is substantiated in multiple reliable and independent sources, so that it is more notable than random old quarries in my town that no one would consider creating encyclopedia articles about? There isno inherent notability for quarries. Edison2 (talk) 03:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

overview of Statham’s Quarry, which exhibits one of the most extensive dolerite dykes in the escarpment. The dolerite (or diorite as it is locally known) has been used for surfacing roads for more than half a century. page 2 of this source Gnan garra 04:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ~~this show that it was the location of a significant brickworks in WA~~ wrong quarry, its a feature of Gooseberry Hill National Park, google gives 400+hits on the quarry. Many of those hits note it as also being a major/notable Climbing/Absailing location near Perth, Western Australia. Gnan garra 03:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Intrem hEritage listing document Aug 11, 2005 and permanent entry Jul 31, 2007 the listing on a heritage register meets WP:N significant coverage by reliable sources requirements. Gnan garra 03:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Statham's Quarry is on Western Australia's Register of Heritage Places, which means that it has been assessed by the Heritage Council of Western Australia, Western Australia's advisory body on heritage matters, as having sufficient cultural heritage significance to warrant conservation, and as meriting statutory protection under the Heritage of Western Australia Act 1990.
This is one of those precious few discussions in which we are able to defer to the opinions of experts in the field, instead of muddling through on our own. Those experts say this is a notable place. Hesperian 04:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if every old house in the states that makes onto NRHP's list is automatically notable, I suppose this is too. Please add references supporting that to the article. Nomination withdrawn. Beeblbrox (talk) 05:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.