Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wendy Benson

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The result was keep. Stifle (talk) 16:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wendy Benson

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The article lacks sufficient proof of fulfilling the GNG, and a Google news search confuses the name with others named Wendy Benson. SIGCOV fail. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 22:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Women, Television, and United States of America. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 22:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing per nom from Google search 🔍.Kasar Wuya (talk) 9:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet of Ameerah1, see investigation) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 21:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Was regular cast member in a number of sitcoms. Added some refs. Alrofficial (talk) 11:35, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 20:51, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Roles are all one-offs or bit parts. ACTOR isn't satisfied. Oaktree b (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The name "Wendy Benson-Landes" provides relevant hits online, such as this write-up, which refers to the subject's part in The Young and the Restless, and this Los Angeles Times article, which notes the connection between the subject, her husband, and actor Jonathan Togo. But more to the point, there are many hits at newspapers.com, which appear to contain WP:SIGCOV. I will get a few articles clipped and then bring them over here. There's also the New York Times reference which Alrofficial added to the page. As regards WP:NACTOR, the subject had main or supporting roles in films like Wishmaster and James Dean (the latter is a TV film, but appears to have been quite a notable production all the same), as well as a main role in the short-lived TV series, Muscle, a 24-episode stint in the final two seasons of Unhappily Ever After, and recurring roles in various other shows. I think that, in combination, these roles are sufficient to meet WP:NACTOR. Dflaw4 (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dflaw4: I don't disagree with your assessment too much, though I'd like to point out that on our Wikipedia page Benson was not listed as a starring role on James Dean (2001 film), which are displayed in the infobox, therefore I disagree it is a significant role. Moreover, WP:NACTOR describes Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. I'm unconvinced that the Muscles (TV series) is notable by Wikipedia standards, the current page cites three sources, one of which is a non-SIGCOV single paragraph listicle, the other is a comprehensive book, WP:NFILM does state that Examples of coverage insufficient to fully establish notability include newspaper listings of screening times and venues, "capsule reviews", plot summaries without critical commentary, or listings in comprehensive film guides such as Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide, Time Out Film Guide, or the Internet Movie Database.[1] While there is no official guideline for television, it might be similar as well. From a quick search I found this about the 1995 show which is also trivial, so I'd be interested if you could elaborate how the show is notable. Otherwise, there seems to be two roles that might pass NACTOR, making notability borderline.

On WP:GNG the New York Times piece is a weddings piece that is announcement like, and is IMO debatably WP:SIGCOV. This ref you linked is also a non-SIGCOV image gallery. Further, how does Soap Opera Spy passes WP:RS guidelines? This basic about us page boasts a fan count, but there is no editorial policies to demonstrate a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. My search didn't find sufficient WP:USEBYOTHERS, and the authors doesn't seem to be subject-matter-experts. VickKiang (talk) 00:05, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, it would be great if you could provide more clippings from Newspapers.com! Thanks for your work! VickKiang (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - she's notable enough. Bearian (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Enough satisfy our notability guidelines. Bruxton (talk) 03:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: VickKiang's line of reasoning ought to be addressed by someone supporting "keep."
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 05:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify I'm at neutral, not at delete, but I'm also unsure if the current references are obviously enough to meet notability- are we referring to WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR here, Bearian? Thanks! VickKiang (talk) 05:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, I was referring to NACTOR. Her performances as a long-running character on a major soap opera, as well as other supporting roles, makes her barely notable. If she was in a Prime Time show, she would be clearly notable. Bearian (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that supporting roles could be considered as significant roles. Moreover, Bearian, I am assuming that you are referring to Muscle (TV series) as the major soap opera. WP:NACTOR states that Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions, the article for Muscle (TV series) seems to only cite three references, first one with four mentions (debatably SIGCOV), second ref has a single mention, whereas the final reference is a routine listicle. Perhaps I'm missing something, as many keep voters make the case that the Muscles (TV series) definitely and obviously counts as one role towards NACTOR, but I'd like to know how the show is "notable" by Wikipedia standards. VickKiang (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are reviews for Muscle in Variety and the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Additionally, she stars in Wishmaster. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 15:09, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reviews, with two reviews available Muscles is probably borderline notable, so I am probably neutral to weak keep leaning towards the former. VickKiang (talk) 20:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - to me she meets notability guidelines Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:48, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm not sure what the nominator means by "sufficient proof" but there are multiple cited sources that clearly cover her. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:51, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see how anyone can look at the article references and consider them SIGCOV. One is TV Guide or other film/TV databases, another is a wedding announcement. Some seem to think that wedding announcement is SIGCOV but it is a column of 4 short paragraphs that talk about her and her groom's parents as much as it does the couple. Two are from soap magazines which might be acceptable but they are just short blurbs about casting, they are not even interviews. There is nothing in depth here. I don't think this coverage makes her "notable enough" (?), it just shows that she is a working actor like hundreds (thousands?) of others who obtain one episode TV series appearances and minor roles in a few films. I don't see that she played any "long-running characters" or even major recurring parts in notable TV series. According to IMDb, some of her recent appearances were as unnamed characters or she was uncredited. Bottom line, she doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak keep~~ Keep I think she narrowly passes NACTOR through her roles in Unhappily Ever After and Wishmaster. It would be a stronger keep if Muscle could be proven to be notable. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 14:15, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, she also starred in Beacon Hill, which might be notable. I was able to find one review here and various articles on the film, but I'm not sure those count towards notability since they aren't reviews. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 15:00, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I was able to find several reviews on Muscle including this and this. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 15:05, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.