Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoel Adler

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The result was Close and reverted article back to before being hijacked. Bbb23 (talk) 16:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yoel Adler

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BLP1E and GNG fail. Severe WP:BLPCRIME issues, as well as NPOV and BLP. Article built form press releases from around his arrest for a few days. He was never charged - let alone convicted. There seems to be a more notable individual with the same name who is the CEO of toiletry company ([1]) who does not appear to be connected. continuing coverage for this Adler is mentioned to blurb mentions such as - here - which mentions his arrest for a few days and subsequent mental breakdown - and that's it. Icewhiz (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 10:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 10:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete BLP of a man who was arrested and held by police for 3 weeks on suspicion of being involved in a series of politically motivated crimes (arson, a deadly shooting.) However he was released at the end of three weeks, and never charged with a crime. delete per WP:BLPCRIME.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable individual, only known for being arrested and subsequently released without charge. That's not enough on its own (it happens to many people), and there's no other claim to notability. Neiltonks (talk) 13:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Because, as the article states, “police failed to find evidence against him”; in other words, he is not connected to what would make him notable and this is therefore a BLP issue on an innocent man.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close and revert back to Sicarii Emass brought to my attention that this was not the original topic of the article. Seems the change was done under the veil of “boldly” cleaning a mess, then attempting to speedily delete the altered article without community consensus. It is unfair for us to have a discussion on something that, as Nableezy demonstrates, actually has a notability case, but was changed to a BLP without reason.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:31, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – the only reason for this article's existence is that it was ported from an article that might have been written on a non-existent subject. The subject is non-notable and it's very clear that this fails basic GNG criteria. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article has been completely denatured yesterday. Here is the source I used for the original article, found in the the Globe and Mail's April 28, 1989 edition. While I do agree that an article on "Yoel Adler" fails WP:BLPCRIME and WP:GNG, an article on the terrorist group Sicarii certainly passes WP:GNG. Emass100 (talk) 00:25, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Globe and Mail image linked above is not from 2018 - it refers to Yitzhak Shamir as PM. Shamir died in 2012. He was last PM in 1992. Can't find a date on it - but it is probably from the same newscycle as the arrest (prior to the release). As for Sicarii - no one was charged, I think, and they were also for the most part a single news cycle name.Icewhiz (talk) 08:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. In my haste, I wrote the year wrong. The article is from 1989. Emass100 (talk) 14:43, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Revert and move back to Sicarii (1989) - the transformation of this article from something on a terror group that is covered in a number of source (will list shortly) into a BLP that obviously fails BLPCRIME and then speedy deletion request by the user who made it a BLP failing article is obscene. Truly obscene. But, the acts of terror against Jewish publishers and academics and politicians that were not sufficiently Zionist for this group to abide are in fact covered in a number of sources. Among them:

Ian S. Lustick (5 July 2018). Unsettled States, Disputed Lands: Britain and Ireland, France and Algeria, Israel and the West Bank-Gaza. Cornell University Press. p. 411,415,555. ISBN 978-1-5017-3194-5. (can see the notes on 555, the index references them earlier)
Robert J. Kelly; Jess Maghan (1998). Hate Crime: The Global Politics of Polarization. SIU Press. p. 92. ISBN 978-0-8093-2210-7.
"1990 Global Terrorism: Middle East Overview (US Department of State)". Federation Of American Scientists – Science for a safer, more informed world. 1990-06-18. Retrieved 2018-12-01. In early January, a Jewish extremist group known as the Sicarii claimed responsibility for planting a dummy grenade under the car of the wife of Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Peres. The Sicarii also threatened attacks on four Israeli members of Parliament because of their support for a Palestinian peace demonstration. Israeli authorities arrested a suspected leader of the group in June.

That was just in the few minutes I spent looking. There are others I dont have ready access to at 3 am, but, there are numerous contemporary newspaper reports about this as well. Revert back to the article that was about a group, and not the purposefully created deletion-bait that was brought here. nableezy - 09:15, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One of the 3 is PRIMARY. The 2 others are a notes mention and a single paragraph - failing INDEPTH. Far from clear the 1990 group (if it was one - it seems this was a flyer/phone name used briefly by Kach), as opposed to the 70CE or the unrelated modern Haredi group passes GNG - secondary sources cover them very briefly, if at all, since there isn't much to wrtie.

In any this is not as simple as move - the current content should be deleted or revdelled at the very least. The assertions made here towards an innocent BLP can not be left in the article history.Icewhiz (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Immediate procedural close as a flagrant abuse of process. The article should be moved back to the previous name, with the original content, and allowed to develop with the sources that are obviously available. If someone then wants to AfD it, they are free to do so in the normal way. Re-writing an article as a completely different topic, and then nominating that for deletion is unacceptable. In my view, this dishonest behaviour merits a block, but I am not sufficiently familiar with the necessary processes to take it any further. --NSH001 (talk) 12:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@NSH001: I strongly suggest you strike multiple claims above - my sole involvement with this article has been to nominate it to AfD.Icewhiz (talk) 12:52, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The old version of the article, when it was about the Sicarii group and not Yoel Adler himself, read In March 1989, the Jerusalem Post described the Sicarii as "the most sought-after under group in Israel today" Originally, the article didn't mention Yoel Adler at all [2]. I must say that I have a hard time understanding why the article was rewritten to be about Yoel Adler and then put up for deletion using WP:BLPCRIME. ImTheIP (talk) 15:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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