Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yvonne Calment

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Jeanne Calment. There is a clear consensus against keeping this article. Unfortunately that is where the consensus seems to end. In such cases my default is WP:ATD. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:18, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yvonne Calment

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Is this person notable in any way that has nothing to do with the recent rumor that Jeanne Calment's longevity might be fake?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:51, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Merge Yvonne is only notable as being the daughter of Jeanne and possibly (according to the theory) the person who lived under her mother's identity in later life. It's frankly silly to open a new article for her. Strong support for delete, and merge any extra information about Yvonne back into the original article on Jeanne Calment (although I suspect there's no new information here). Oska (talk) 23:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. Not only is this person not independently notable outside of a rumor, but nearly all of this information is already in the Jeanne Calment article. CCS81 (talk) 23:11, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Either we have Jeanne Calment 1875-1997 and Yvonne Calment 1898-1934, or Jeanne Calment 1875-1934 and Yvonne Calment 1898-1997. In both cases it's worth a single page, in the first case Jeanne Calment for a record lifespan, in the second case Yvonne Calment for a notorious deception. There is no consensus about the truth and many serious people currently have no definite opinion about the case. Splitting into two pages would only result in more mess. No merge needed, there was already relevant information about young Yvonne Calment in Jeanne Calment's page.--Alpha carinae (talk) 03:01, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Yvonne has absolutely no notability on her own. Any controversies about her identity belongs to the Jeanne Calment article where the info is already present. A simple redirect page is perfectly adequate. --McSly (talk) 03:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete there is no indepdent notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:42, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep IMO a merge risks adding to the confusion. Yvonne Calment may be the person commonly known as "Jeanne Calment", but for now the evidence is circumstantial.--Davidcpearce (talk) 10:23, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. The only mentions of Yvonne Calment in sources are totally consequential of her mother's notability. Material relevant to Yvonne is fully covered in Jeanne's article. No reason for a content fork. — JFG ^talk 11:20, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Ruyaba (talk) 23:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Ruyaba (talk) 23:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Ruyaba (talk) 23:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:ONEEVENT. Yvonne is virtually unknown outside of the context of her mother and we already have enough information in her mother's article which talks about her. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:45, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge because this title should be a redirect to Jeanne's page. If Yvonne went by Jeanne then we follow WP:COMMONNAME. There is pretty strong evidence that the daughter took the mother's identity, and I appreciate the idea of splitting out a page to provide more information along that theory without upsetting the sensabilities of the true believers in the woman who claimed to live three years longer than any other human in recorded history. Legacypac (talk) 20:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back to Jeanne Calment. Either the daughter is known only because of the mother or they are the same person. There is no independent notability and there isn't anything new in this article, but the only reason not to delete this outright is the redirect is helpful to readers who have read the daughter's name. Jonathunder (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I could understand the value of a separate page about the validation of Mme Calment's age and identity which would allow the topic to be documented at more length without putting undue weight about it in the Jeanne Calment page. However, this page will not serve that purpose and Yvonne Calment does not have notability independently of her mother. There is nothing significant here that could be merged back into Jeanne Calment. Weburbia (talk) 21:37, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No notability shown per above; fringe theories don't count. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 11:44, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge content to Jeanne Calment. No independent notability. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:17, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with a redirect, no evidence of independent notability. —Kusma (t·c) 21:52, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Needed information for readers considering coverage, but it does not pass WP:BIO1E. ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 22:59, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. This can be a part of "Jeanne Calment" Alex-h (talk) 09:06, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it is detrimental to have a content fork for an invividual with no independent notability. - LukeSurl^{t c} 13:00, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge / redirect to Jeanne Calment. This is a classic WP:BIO1E and hence merging is the correct action in this case. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:52, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge This woman is not significant enough to have her own article. The idea that she usurped her mother's identity is ridiculous. All information on her can be found in her mother's article. If it isn't, it should be added. Scorpions13256 (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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