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"Inflection tables"

Såg din kommentar om böjningstabeller ("inflection tables"). Vilka menar du med detta? De för verb, adjektiv eller substantiv? Och vad är ditt problem med dem? Mårtensås (talk) 23:25, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

@Mårtensås: Jag menade främst dem för substantiv. Utan extra parametrar och dylikt ger just den gruppen ibland uppenbart felaktiga böjningar (som "nazismn" för nazism), vilket kan göra dem tröttsamma att använda. Jag vet själv rätt lite om hur mallar fungerar, men det känns som om dessa skulle kunna förbättras med tanke på hur avancerade andra sorters mallar (som t.ex. Template:la-IPA) är. Glades12 (talk) 13:47, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Jag håller med. För övrigt tycker jag också att tabellen i sin form är för stor, d.v.s. att den inte passar rent utseendemässigt med mallarna för verb (jfr. substantivet motst. verbet vara). Jag tycker att du kan starta en tråd i Wiktionary:Grease pit, sedan föreslår jag också att du går med i Wiktionarys Discordserver; det var där jag fick hjälp att lägga till pluralböjning och konjunktiv i verb-mallen. Mårtensås (talk) 15:54, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Why don't people include [declensions] when creating new entries?

(Regarding IVA-helikopter edit) Because it's too hard and confusing. 😅 I have looked at the declension template several times, and I get a headache every time I try to decipher and decrypt it. Recently I have started looking at similar words (e.g. katt, bord, gå, springa, etc...) and just copy/paste the declension from them instead. --Christoffre (talk) 07:45, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

That's wholly understandable, and I didn't mean to come off as rude. Linguistics is a complicated subject, and learning how to use the coding, templates etc. on this type requires you to study them a lot. I didn't exactly know all that from the getgo either, but it's easy to forget that newer editors don't have the same knowledge you do. Glades12 (talk) 07:53, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't interpret it as rude. I could really hear you sigh as I read it 😆 --Christoffre (talk) 16:06, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with declension table on DVD

Hi. You're good with declension tables. Can you please look at DVD and see what might be wrong? I managed to get everything correct except singular nominative indefinite, which now ends with a colon. --Christoffre (talk) 07:12, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

This is a tough nut to crack. First, I'll note that the correct definite singular according to SAOL and SO is DVD:n, not DVD:en; I don't see "DVD:en" used much from cursory web searches and /eːɛn/ is an awkward vowel combination to pronounce in our language. With this in mind, I actually made an attempt to add a table before you did, but I can't get it right either. My own approach was {{sv-infl-noun-c-r|2=DVD:|3=DVD:e}}. This gets everything right but the singular genitive indefinite, which becomes "DVDs" instead of the correct "DVD:s".

The MediaWiki software we use here isn't equipped to deal with colons in titles in general (just look at all the unsupported titles in Category:Swedish terms spelled with :), which becomes a problem since they're used so much in Swedish and Finnish orthography. We could theoretically make the table right in this case with lengthy code like this: {{sv-noun-irreg-c|DVD|DVD:n|DVD:er|DVD:erna|DVD:s}}, but considering how all initialisms are declined with colons in Swedish, that seems vastly inferior to just updating one of our regular templates to deal with them better. Declension and conjugation templates run on modules, so we'll have to ask someone else with better programming skills. Dunno where to do that though (spamming other people's user talk pages sounds like a bad idea). Glades12 (talk) 08:33, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I attempted the same approach as you, with the same result of "DVDs". Well... At least I now feel less bad for not being able to figure it out myself.

About that lengthy code; why cannot we use it? If nothing but a temporary solution until someone solved the problem (which may take some time since no-one have managed it for nearly 20 years) --Christoffre (talk) 08:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I guess it'll have to do for now. I don't like using "irregular" templates for nouns that are completely regular, that's all. Glades12 (talk) 09:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Ahh... I completly missed the "irreg"-part --Christoffre (talk) 09:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

"Wiktionary's rules probably say you shouldn't write stuff like this on your user page, but I don't care"

lol, we are the people who get our hands dirty and get stuff done. Equinox ◑ 22:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Swedish-specific form-of templates

Per several discussions over the years, I am obsoleting all of them in favor of generic templates like {{infl of}}, {{noun form of}}, {{adj form of}}, {{verb form of}}, etc. If the template is sufficiently high-use, I've deprecated it, otherwise I've deleted it. In both cases, the deprecation documentation or deletion message indicates the replacement. If you have any questions, please let me know, thanks! Benwing2 (talk) 01:00, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Ladd

Does "Tills alla dör" clarify that "ladd" refers to hashish elsewhere? I think the intended meaning of the quote might be "Rich people in Östermalm do drugs (cocaine) in secret, while we do drugs (hashish) openly." --Alla tajders (talk) 16:06, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Maybe. To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what the 22-year-old guy meant. The first sub-quote (about hash being used as self-medication) is the end of a passage about how young, socioeconomically deprived people suffer from ADHD and depression but reject prescribed drugs. After that comparison between rich and poor Stockholmers, the book drops the topic of drugs and continues (in the author's own words) on other social problems like a lack of education and jobs.

Neither before nor after does the author explain precisely what was meant by "ladd". I was in a bit of a rush when I added that quote (and am not immersed in drug-related slang), so I may very well have misinterpreted it. Glades12 (talk) 18:54, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's cocaine if there isn't any more context. I'll remove the sense and move/change the quote. Alla tajders (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2023 (UTC)