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Administrators' newsletter – March 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021).

Administrator changes

TJMSmith

Boing! said Zebedee • Hiberniantears • Lear's Fool • Only • WGFinley

Interface administrator changes

AmandaNP

Guideline and policy news

A request for comment is open that proposes a process for the community to revoke administrative permissions. This follows a 2019 RfC in favor of creating one such a policy.
A request for comment is in progress to remove F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a, which covers immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
A request for comment seeks to grant page movers the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target. The full proposal is at Wikipedia:Page mover/delete-redirect.
A request for comment asks if sysops may place the General sanctions/Coronavirus disease 2019 editnotice template on pages in scope that do not have page-specific sanctions?
There is a discussion in progress concerning automatic protection of each day's featured article with Pending Changes protection.

Technical news

When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).

Arbitration

By motion, the discretionary sanctions originally authorized under the GamerGate case are now authorized under a new Gender and sexuality case, with sanctions authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, any gender-related dispute or controversy and associated people. Sanctions issued under GamerGate are now considered Gender and sexuality sanctions.
The Kurds and Kurdistan case was closed, authorizing standard discretionary sanctions for the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed.

Miscellaneous

Following the 2021 Steward Elections, the following editors have been appointed as stewards: AmandaNP, Operator873, Stanglavine, Teles, and Wiki13.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Alien

I thought you reversion of my edit on Alien about R/GA has a production company was arrogant and controlling 86.14.189.55 (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ummmm, thanks? It’s not a production company, not listed in the credits as a production company so it doesn’t go in the info box as a production company. Canterbury Tail talk 15:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. R/GA were the production company for the title sequence, which is one of the most iconic in the history of film. Or as you suggested, they probably just made the tea and sandwiches 86.14.189.55 (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but they were not the production company for the film, hence why they're not listed here (or anywhere) as the film's production company. Producing the title is no different to the company that does the special effects, they're a sub-contractor not the movie's production company. The only credited production company for the film is Brandywine under Twentieth Century Film Corp. Canterbury Tail talk 16:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You could have made that edit regarding the typeface, rather than just deleting it. I often come across people on wikipedia that act like they own articles -- which is against the spirit and rules of the platform. It is really sad. Maybe a reflection of the people who spend their time policing other's edits 86.14.189.55 (talk) 19:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well everything in main space should be referenced and verified. That was not a verifiable statement. I wouldn’t put it was probably something as that’s not a very encyclopaedic statement and I don’t think has any room here, it’s purely an opinion not a fact. Additionally the typeface used is pure trivia and not encyclopaedic. And I’m quite aware of the spirit of the platform. How do you expect someone to react when you come onto their user talk page calling them arrogant and controlling? Not exactly the comments of someone editing in good faith and trying to be cooperative. I should also note that you’re the one who keeps returning to my talk page to make non-good faith comments. Canterbury Tail talk 20:17, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I always edit in good faith. It is hard when faced with someone who just wants to delete and control other people's edits, and dictate what is added to an article. To someone who is interested in typefaces, that is very encyclopedic for one of the most iconic movie title. If you have good faith, maybe talk before just deleting... because that's what you think 86.14.189.55 (talk) 20:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note at no point have I ever suggested your edits were not made in good faith, and I always gave a reason for my edits. Please review WP:BRD. If you boldly add something, and someone reverts it, then it's incumbent on the person making the addition to take it to the talk page. Note I haven't reverted the current font edit, as it is sourced. Still not convinced it's encyclopaedic though but I'm open to see what others say. However yes I will remove unsourced information, and information and claims that are not supported by the source. And as for dictating what is in an article, that's what Wikipedia's policies and guidelines do, I do not own articles, no body does. Your initial edit that this whole section is talking about to add R/GA as the production company was clearly incorrect as they were not the production company for the film, despite having produced the title sequence, and it's quite acceptable to remove such an edit. Also be completely aware that once you make an edit, you lose control of the edit and any other user can come along and edit what you have just entered with good reason. I have given my reasons on multiple occasions. To edit Wikipedia you have to be comfortable with your edits being scrutinised by other editors, and potentially changed and reverted after you make them. Canterbury Tail talk 22:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. It is great to talk to an experienced editor that is always right. Have you ever considered why you have had so many people react poorly to your reversions and associated comments against the edits. Maybe you could consider viewing edits and adding qualifying sources, or flagging the edit as unsourced, and dropping a note on the editor's talk page. Only a suggestion 86.14.189.55 (talk) 12:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt that it will change your mind but I would have removed that trivia too, if I had seen it first. As would any experienced editor: it is you who is out of line with Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism visibility

Hi Canterbury, sorry to bother you but you're the only admin I could think of off the top of my head. Could you possibly do anything about the visibility of the two Personal Attack edits at RoboCop by the IP ending 184 that have been made today? THanks. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 19:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Try that. Canterbury Tail talk 19:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

what did i do

what did i do — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeaceLoverStephenTrue1111 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? You think this is an acceptable encyclopaedic edit? Canterbury Tail talk 23:29, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can I kindly know in which way it was lik 'people magazine' type edit that you reverted today. I request you to visit the public Image section on Kate Winslet's wikipage. Fitzwilliams (talk) 06:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again me. I respect your duty and support. But do consider the editings require much work. Who would better known than you? Anyway, I will republish the section if you have seen such things on Kate Winslet's wikipage as I requested. If you find that wrong to, then revert those too. Fitzwilliams (talk) 07:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, please take it to the talk page of the article as per WP:BRD. You were bold, you were reverted, now it's time to discuss and the place to discuss the content is on the article's talk page. Also note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't generally considered a good reason to include something. Canterbury Tail talk 10:59, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As you know I am only 17 days old on Wikipedia so I learnt just know ho to operate the talk page. I have opened a new topic 'the public Image section' there on the talk page of the article. Please come here and discuss with me. Don't mind me. Fitzwilliams (talk) 12:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I come across as aggressive, it's not intentional. Just tired. And yes we can discuss on the appropriate talk page. Canterbury Tail talk 12:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are very aggressive, little man. :( I just want to get along........ — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeaceLoverStephenTrue1111 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A donation cannot be considered as a gossip. I guess you didn't like the money factor I mentioned. If I can upload the reverted one now without mentioning that factor, please tell me. Fitzwilliams (talk) 23:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And can I suggest you one thing, editors like you should be welcoming and helpful towards other editors. A few days earlier, you created objection about the public Image section and I haven't forgotten that. Today I see hundreds of wikipages being displayed with such things. Don't mind but your thought seem to be marginalized into your own self, you don't want to consider what other editors write on other wikipages and what other editors want to write on this page. I want to make the heartiest request to you that anyone has made before to you. I will republish the information but not the money factor and you will wait for five or six hours and see if any other editor with such responsibility as you display here, revert it or not. If I get reverted again by anyone except you, I will understand I have problems with myself. If not than I hope you will understand that you have issues with your choice of notability and information. Have a good day. Fitzwilliams (talk) 00:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please ensure any information that is added is encyclopaedic. Also please note that as per WP:BRD if you make and edit, and it is removed, then it is up to the original editor to take it to the talk page and get consensus to add such information. You re-adding it is considered edit warring. And as for asking me not to remove unencyclopaedic information, I'm afraid as a long term editor on this project I cannot do that, if I believe that content is against the objectives and guidelines of this project I cannot let it stay. I will state again that we are an encyclopaedia, not a gossip or people lifestyle magazine and that trivial items are not ones for inclusion. I would also like to point out that you should not personalise edits as you have done so above. A core rule is to comment on content and not the editor, otherwise it could be construed as a personal attack. Canterbury Tail talk 01:53, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ Canterbury tail, thank you. I will mind the copy right policy further. Fitzwilliams (talk) 02:27, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't intentional, I know, and sometimes Wikipedia's policies can be odd to newcomers. But we do take copyright very seriously, we have to. I'm sure you can find another source for that, I didn't remove the content just the link. Canterbury Tail talk 11:44, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ Canterbury tail, I came for a suggestion. I found it logical to seek your advice before taking this to the respective talk page. I literally found nothing about his song. But I did find that it was written by Ali Thomson and sung by Jamie Dornan. But these information weren't found anywhere under Copyright law or permission. Even some websites showing relative news don't show anything when you enter into them. All I found is a YouTube video which states it doesn't own the song. So what should I do? Your advice will be precious. Fitzwilliams (talk) 09:10, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, if you can't find any information about a song then that would mean it's not notable for mention to be honest. Not everything someone does is encyclopaedically notable. A famout singer writes a song for their daughters birthday but it isn't widely published, not likely notable. A famous author can write something minor and put it on their website, doesn't make it notable. It's only notable if independent third parties are talking about it and discussing it, otherwise it just is and doesn't necessarily merit inclusion. That being said, it may be better to raise this on the article talk page, that will get more eyes on it than just my talk page. Canterbury Tail talk 11:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I opening a topic there right away. Fitzwilliams (talk) 13:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

who are you?

Who are you? Are you an Admin? A criminal? A virgin? A whore? Let me get to know you. Why are you harassing me?

I'm not harassing you, you're editing a page on my watchlist with not very good edits and the other edit was violating some of our Manual of Style guidelines. And yes, I happen to be an admin as well. And your above comment could be considered a personal attack with some of those comments, so I'd suggest editing it. Also please read Competence is Required. Quite frankly at this point your edits are mostly of very poor quality and outright disruptive. Honestly, at this point you're on a fast track to being blocked from editing. Canterbury Tail talk 17:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As for the "very poor quality": I would consider it a euphemism. Some of the edits by PeaceLoverStephenTrue1111 are unambiguous trolling. When you look at the edit history, I think it's very likely that the user is a sock puppet of a former wikipedian who is possibly blocked from editing—some of the user's first edits were troll messages on my talk page (sending me a retarded cat etc.), without any apparent reason, so the user probably holds a grudge from the past.—J. M. (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was being polite. :) Canterbury Tail talk 18:58, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Past being polite. Now they’re blocked. Canterbury Tail talk 00:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And, unsurprisingly, the user is back as Leela Roha, sending me a kitten again, and asking the same question about following users' edits (i.e. wikihounding) that they asked on my talk page. Obviously, I think Leela Roha should be blocked for sock puppetry, and perhaps an SPI page should be opened…—J. M. (talk) 02:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I started an SPI. I hope someone will reply this time, and it won't take weeks or months (SPI has been severely understaffed in recent months).—J. M. (talk) 03:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Never worry, I just blocked them as a blatant sock. I've tagged the pages as appropriate. Canterbury Tail talk 12:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rosetta Stone - Archeological Theft

Could you tell me why according to you it is not appropriate category?--Nous (talk) 17:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That category is all about looting. I'm not disputing that ownership of the Rosetta Stone is controversial, but something looted is quite different to something found on an archaeological dig. Turning the question around. Why, according to you, is it an appropriate category? And I would also direct you to WP:BRD, and suggest that any discussion of the category happen on the article's talk page. Canterbury Tail talk 17:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not sure what you suggest. French had permission from Ottoman sultan to do archeological work and to take what they find? I know nothing about it, and seriously, they were at war with Ottoman Empire, so forgive me, but I really doubt it. They conquer and occupied alien country, do illegal digging, and remove artifacts. It is called looting. The Nazis in occupied Greece did the same thing sometimes, and everybody call it looting (and they did it not only in Greece) P.S. Forgive me that I don't wrote it on the article's talk page, but, by the way, you should answer on my talk page. Or bring it all to talk page of the article, if you want to be consequential. Whatever - we are where we are.--Nous (talk) 20:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I will only respond to talk comments here, as noted at the top of the page. However this is about content, not about me, so any conversation on categories or article content should take place on the talk page of the appropriate article. Canterbury Tail talk 10:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – April 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021).

Administrator changes

Alexandria • Happyme22 • RexxS

Guideline and policy news

Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

Technical news

When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)

Arbitration

A community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure is open until April 25.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

		The Recent Changes Barnstar
		Thanks for welcoming me in November :) If it had come without a welcome I would have probably continued disruptively editing. Noah ^💬 19:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On nationalities

First of all, thanks a bunch for your help in reverting nonsense across the encyclopedia, it's a big help. I noticed you reversion of an edit to Abroad in Japan where the subject's nationality was changed from British to English. The reversion was correct {Broad is a self-described "British Guy making videos in Japan"), though I fear the reasoning for reversion was a bit off. When I added Broad's nationality , I was careful to read up on Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom beforehand (as an American who prefers to tread lightly with the national identities of the UK). What settled it for me was the section Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom#Guide to finding UK nationality. Broad describes himself as British, so that's that, but shouldn't there be instances where it would be correct to say one's nationality is English? Cheers, ❯❯❯ Mccunicano ☕️ 22:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you are correct in that. It all comes down to what we mean by nationality, citizenship, identity etc. And I spend most of my time moderating stuff around Northern Ireland (if you think England is a mess, try that one. British, Irish, Northern Irish, none, all.) Honestly if I had my way we'd get rid of nationalities altogether (they're more trouble than they're worth) and just say where someone is from. Canterbury Tail talk 23:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like quite the task. How we all self-identify is such a delightfully complex matter. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano ☕️ 00:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And sometimes even has no real basis in anything other than desire. But hey, we're all human and all looking to belong to something. Have a good one. Canterbury Tail talk 00:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh just noticed you live in Aomori. Nice, not been up that way. Looking to get back to Japan for a month or so again once all this is over. Thinking of heading up to Tohoku. Canterbury Tail talk 00:13, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, but I'm heading back to the US for good sometime within the next few months. Aomori will always be a home of sorts to me though! If you make it and are looking for recommendations, feel free to send me an email. What there is to do around here is really dictated by what season it is, (autumn is best) but there is always something interesting going on. ❯❯❯ Mccunicano ☕️ 01:08, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AN/I Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Sudipto Surjo's block expires and they immediate resume their disruptive conduct. Thank you. DÅRTHBØTTØ_(T•C) 02:01, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eh?

Did you get caught in an edit conflict with this revert? —C.Fred (talk) 23:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah sorry about that. I think my iPad Chrome refreshed when I was clicking a link and it ended up being the wrong one. That was so not intended, not even on that page. A complete refresh and misclick on my behalf. Sincere apologies. I was trying to click on a diff for another watchlist item and recall wondering why it was not on that page. Recovering from vaccine fever and just got confused and didn’t realize what I’d done. Canterbury Tail talk 00:47, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If WMF had a dollar for every time my screen had jumped and I clicked the wrong thing, there'd never be another banner ad for donations. :) I usually catch it, but I'm sure I'm not 100% at it. No worries. Glad you're on the mend from the vaccine; I got my second dose today, so we'll see how I am over the next few days. —C.Fred (talk) 02:09, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. Yeah, with a mouse it's bad enough, on the iPad it can be infuriating. I got an AstraZeneca, just a light fever and a bit of light headedness not too bad. Much better today. Canterbury Tail talk 12:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MMMC Architects

Thanks for taking a hatchet to MMMC Architects. I tagged it with a PROD, but does it meet G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion) for a speedy delete? Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:22, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's dubious, on the fence about that. It's clearly a non-notable architectural firm blatantly written by an employee or close contact. Speedy, meh undecided. You could always tag it and someone can come along and make the judgement call on it. Problem with the prod is it takes 5 days and anyone can remove it. Canterbury Tail talk 18:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of forests in Ireland

You will note that User Ddep96 (created on 1 May 2021 at 12:56) has made three edits to Wikipedia since the account was created the day before yesterday. Each has been to change 'County Londonderry' to 'County Derry' on the above page. I simply reverted the first one with a reference to 'WP:Londonderry" in the edit summary. The second time that it happened, I put links to the Wikipedia policy on the article's talk page and the user's talk page. I have just reverted the third edit with a link to the talk page.This may be a case of a new editor who simply reverts edits with which they do not agree, perhaps is not familiar with Wikipedia talk pages, or is not interested in discussing the issue/is not prepared to discuss it. I am keen to avoid falling foul of the three-revert rule. Would this page be a candidate for semi-protection? Alekksandr (talk) 16:19, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dealt with. Someone who persists in the same edits continuously and ignores talk page comments, isn't here to contribute meaningfully. I've also added the article to my watchlist. Canterbury Tail talk 16:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the prompt response. Alekksandr (talk) 19:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nuclear Milkman

Blocked a sock of his, User talk:Samuel Collingsworth - I forget how to not ping someone and can't find anything to help me. Anyway, see their unblock request. Definitely Mikemikev. I don't see an SPI but there probably should be one now, what do you think? And should Collingsworth have tpa removed? Doug Weller talk 12:05, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think others are more familiar with the case overall and the various socks/masters etc involved. Not familiar with Mikemikev. If you're certain you're certain, and it is definitely a loud quacker for someone else. At the end of the day it won't be contested no matter how they're blocked, access removed etc as they're clearly someone who's effectively banned by this point. Canterbury Tail talk 12:12, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See [[1]] and another I found, [2]. I'll tidy it all up with the existing SPI. Doug Weller talk 12:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. I don't get it, what do people get out of this stuff? My time is finite, banging my head against a wall repeatedly for zero gain isn't what I want to spend it doing. Canterbury Tail talk 12:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – May 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

Administrator changes

Enchanter • Carlossuarez46

Interface administrator changes

Ragesoss

Guideline and policy news

Following an RfC, consensus was found that third party appeals are allowed but discouraged.
The 2021 Desysop Policy RfC was closed with no consensus. Consensus was found in a previous RfC for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.

Technical news

The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

Arbitration

The community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

user:FreadyBulat

Would you block please? persistent disruptive vandalism despite warnings. TYVM. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:34, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They have been shown the door. Canterbury Tail talk 19:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

3080 Ti

Hey, I think they finally announced the 3070/3080 Ti. —Locke Cole • t • c 13:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, but we still need to do something about that IP. Looking at various articles, they've been hurling abuse and throwing unsourced conjecture at things for many many years. I'm going to seek assistance of other admins that have experience in range blocking etc on this. Canterbury Tail talk 13:33, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and I caught on to the IPs all being from the same country/region as well, so hopefully there's a solution. Though your protection solution appears to have resolved the matter for now (even if it means the occasional talk page abuse). —Locke Cole • t • c 15:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah but semi-protecting pages due to one person isn't a fabulous solution. However looking at some articles such as Nvidia PureVideo this person has been at this for a decade or so. So it needs a solution. I just don't know what it is and blocking all unregistered users from editing anything to do with computer hardware isn't the right solution. Canterbury Tail talk 15:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PBLOCK appears to indicate you can apply them to IP ranges, up to ten pages at a time. These appear to be all the IPs from the abusive editor's ISP. As you said, might be best to consult someone with experience, but indef PBLOCKs on those ranges would be what I'd try. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Curious, how'd you come up with that list? Canterbury Tail talk 16:19, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When you go to the contributions for an IP, there is a WHOIS link near the bottom left of the page (with a bunch of other useful-ish links) (example: [3]). On that page there is an "asn" field, 4788, which is a link that generates all the IPs from that same ASN. I checked it against some of the other recent IPs and they all use the same ASN. I'd check against the really old ones to make sure you don't miss any, but I suspect they're likely all the same. As a sanity check you can use a CIDR calculator (like this one [4]) and if you try a range like 115.132.0.0/14 (which is from that generated list) it should show that it applies to CIDR IP Range - 115.132.0.0 - 115.135.255.255 (which would include 115.133.25.96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), one of the IPs that was disruptive). —Locke Cole • t • c 16:30, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. I spend too much time gnoming and dealing with little fires and not enough learning. Much appreciated. Canterbury Tail talk 16:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Warhammer 40,000

Hey, let's be friends. Here Warhammer is referred as space opera. Really. I don't want to enter in bad discussion, offend you or get into lengthy discussions. I know my place. Really. Let's be friends. I know things must be sourced. Regards: Elan Morin Tedronai (talk) EDIT: Also, here by Random House. Referred fully as space opera. Fully. I want to be friends. EDIT: This personal space opera website also refers Warhammer 40,000 novels as derived literature of the space opera genre. Also, I noticed you removed the side-bar on Space Western. Let's put at least some written examples? Regards: Elan Morin Tedronai (talk)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:37, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Have a very happy adminship anniversary on your special day!

Best wishes, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:31, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

KSI Flag dispute

Hello, I just wanted to communicate to you that flags are meant to be used for Pro boxing records. You can check references such as other boxers such as Tyson Fury or Dillian Whyte. The flags are used to show the nationality of the fighter and the location. Sebzsoccer (talk) 13:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Calling it a professional boxing match is a joke, it was a publicity stunt. However there are indeed enough references to call it a pro match despite what everyone thinks so... Canterbury Tail talk 14:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is was a pro fight despite the lack of skill between the fighters. I understand where your coming from and I’m glad the issue is resolved. Sebzsoccer (talk) 15:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Safehold

OK, I'm sorry. Really. I thought it was, considering Honorverse is. Sorry. I'll try not to happen again. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish both genres: military and space opera. Considering that sometimes fiction happens in space. I'll try to be better. Just show me civilized the way. I know I'm long term editor. Almost 20 years. Regards: Elan Morin Tedronai (talk)

Note Honorverse isn't listed as space opera, there is nothing in that article to support it either. Canterbury Tail talk 16:28, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation link notification for June 9

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

Ashleyyoursmile • Less Unless

Husond • MattWade • MJCdetroit • Carioca • Vague Rant • Kingboyk • Thunderboltz • Gwen Gale • AniMate • SlimVirgin (deceased)

Guideline and policy news

Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
Following a Request for Comment the Book namespace was deprecated.

Technical news

Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration

After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Expanse

You reverted my small edit to improve the time context of the plot synopsis on The Expanse. You asserted dates were never clear. That is incorrect. I viewed Eps. 1-3 (season 1) of the series today, and the23rd century bit was actually written on-screen, in one of those episodes. I believe it was Ep.1, near the beginning of the episode.

I don't care about it that much, so am not pushing it beyond this comment setting you straight. But your assertion is not correct; and the synopsis would be better with my edit left in it. Cheers. N2e (talk) 00:28, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well it needs a reference, we don't have one. If one can be provided then obviously that's fair enough, but even the fan Wiki's don't have dates for it which is unusual. Canterbury Tail talk 00:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is interesting that you say it needs a source. Nothing else is sourced in those sections. I'm part of some better citing wikiprojects, and at one time worked to advance the idea that plot summaries in WP article on books, or films, or TV shows needed source citations. This was roundly rejected; and as you can see from looking at any plot summary of those types of media, they are all nearly completely lacking citations for the many many statements made in those summaries in an article.

It's kinda weird, relative to the rest of the encyclopedia. But that is what has emerged as an outcome, in actual practice. People just don't cite that stuff; and other editors seem to accept it. Unless they don't, as happened today. But since nothing is cited at all, your assertion that a return to the existing wording is no stronger argument than mine that it should be changed for clarity.

So I doubt I'll ever pass the way again so as to see that white text, on the screen, in The Advance episode, that made the 23rd centruy explicit. Alas, like much of Wikipedia, it'll just have to be something that awaits some other editor to fix it; or one who happens to fix it when no watcher is watching who, although the watcher doesn't know better, the watcher (you, in the extant case) is willing to revert to maintain the status quo on a totally uncited plot summary/season summary: Status / Season 2 / Season 2 / etc. Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it does need a reference, because it's not known. You say one episode makes it clear that it's the 23d century (incidentally there isn't an episode called "The Advance"). Can you tell me when this date appears in the show and what episode? I then raise you Ganymede Gin, very clearly shown in the shown and carries the caption "since 2307" thus meaning it's minimum of 24th century. (see this screen grab for evidence) So unless you can provide evidence otherwise, preferably a reliable source, you cannot claim it's the 23rd century. And as you know, uncited claims can be challenged and removed, you added a claim that wasn't supported by anything so it was challenged and removed. The closest we actually have is Space.com claiming its set in 2350 (which is 24th century), but it could be up for debate on whether that is a reliable source or just something the writer made up at that point for the article. The books are mum on the topic, and the role-playing game states 2351, but that's based on the books not the TV series. Canterbury Tail talk 12:22, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

Administrator changes

Trialpears

AGK • Eliz81 • Mulad • ThaddeusB • Vianello • Who

Lacrimosus → Ikuzaf

Interface administrator changes

Ragesoss

CheckUser changes

AGK • DGG

Oversighter changes

AGK

Guideline and policy news

Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

Technical news

IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

Arbitration

The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:26, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

copyvio notice on my talk page

Please explain, given that we are currently in the midst of the discussion on WP:External links/Noticeboard § Archive.org hosting of copyrighted material, why you have posted this copyvio to my talk page. Thank you. Fabrickator (talk) 11:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because you had re-added, in the past, the offending link to Liar Paradox and it needed to be removed. Please don't add it again. As you're aware Wikipedia takes copyright issues very seriously, and while there's any doubt the links should not be used. Canterbury Tail talk 12:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally I notice you are no longer participating in the EL/N thread, and it appears to have reached it's clear conclusion, so obviously the copyrighted links needed to be removed. Canterbury Tail talk 18:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

British Isles

I'm not sure of the best course of action over there. What do you think? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:01, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ghmyrtle: I reverted the the fellow, on the basis of WP:BRD. It's best he get a consensus there, for what he wants. Either that, or a block for edit warring. It's up to him. GoodDay (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts

Hi Canterbury. You have removed some of the nice new temperature bar charts from some articles. You wrote that they are lacking a scale. However, the scale is available via Commons. Just click on the bar chart. You might have overlooked that information? Maybe you want to add the figures again yourself? DiagramLover (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no vertical scale on those graphs. The vertical scale could be 0.1 degree a pixel, 1 degree, or 10 degrees. As they are they're just abstract to the readers. The graph should convey the information, not require the reader to go off and read something else and figure out what is going on. Canterbury Tail talk 14:06, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sharing your concerns. The image page is pretty clear though: "This bar chart is a visual representation of the change in temperature in the past 100+ years. Each stripe represents the temperature averaged over a year. The average temperature in 1971–2000 is set as the boundary between blue and red colors, and the color scale varies from ±2.6 standard deviations of the annual average temperatures between the years mentioned in the file name. Data source: Berkeley Earth. For more information visit https://showyourstripes.info/faq". It becomes clear from this description what these bars represent. I hope this makes sense now? Cheers DiagramLover (talk) 14:11, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Conversation to happen on your talk page where it was started for reference for everyone else. Canterbury Tail talk 14:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject for Warhammer?

Greerings, CT. I'm messaging you because I noticed you editing Age of Sigmar. Do you know of any sort of Wikiproject for Warhammer or related wargagming? If not, do you know more active users interested in Warhammer who I could contact? I noticed that articles related to the game often read like advertisements and have poor sourcing, yet there's a ton of RS available in media coverage on the game. A lot of improvements could be done, but it will take a lot of work. MezzoMezzo (talk) 12:01, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – July 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2021).

Administrator changes

BusterD

Kees08 • Nickshanks • Protonk • Schissel • Ultraexactzz • Wknight94

CheckUser changes

TheresNoTime

Oversighter changes

TheresNoTime

ST47

Guideline and policy news

An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

Technical news

Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)

Arbitration

Following an amendment request, the committee has clarified that the Talk page exception to the 500/30 rule in remedy 5 of the Palestine-Israel articles 4 case does not apply to requested move discussions.

Miscellaneous

You can vote for candidates in the 2021 Board of Trustees elections from 4 August to 17 August. Four community elected seats are up for election.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you following me?

Why have all my recent edits you have changed something on the same page I have? Are you getting notifications when I contribute something? Honestly I am curious, I am new to the wiki scene.

You're the one who undid my edit so yes I looked at your edit. Singular. You only made 2 edits before posting this message. Canterbury Tail talk 22:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don’t worry he does that he is following me too trying to get pages I made deleted Australianblackbelt (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC) Australianblackbelt (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adam B

Perhaps a page block from that article for 86.22.7.79 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) might be a good idea please? FDW777 (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is a good idea. I had considered locking down the entire article to new users, and that may still happen, but hadn't realised this single IP had done so much. Consider it done. Canterbury Tail talk 11:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm

This sort of thing. There's quite a lot of it alongside many good edits. I see you on the editor's Talk page too. I do feel somewhat concerned but I'm unclear whether action is appropriate ... I'm not really up for tackling it myself. I might go on watching for a while too and see how things develop. Thanks for your vigilance. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's tricky. They're editing in good faith, and some of their edits are good. However I'm not entirely convinced English is their first language and at times their grasp on grammar is poor. Some edits have been really bad, but they're not the majority. Like you I'm unsure as to the ultimate action to take here. Does the work they are causing others to clean up outweigh the work they're doing? I don't think so, and they do correct more than they cause so technically it's a net positive. Canterbury Tail talk 21:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hello CanterburyTail, just thought the following may be of use to you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Martial_arts#Felix_Leong https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Felix_Leong_and_Maurice_Novoa.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Australianblackbelt#Please_do_not_advertise_on_Commons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Richie_Campbell#Mrs_Globe_Australia_2016_in_The_Latin_Australian_Times

Thank you. Yes I'm aware of ABB's edits over time, his shameless promotion and continuous COI and need to promote non-notable persons. And the Latin Australian Times is not a notable news source, it's a local community newspaper that publishes anything that comes across its desk, not an editorial oversighted news source. Canterbury Tail talk 15:28, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very glad you've been following his dubious career; I'm afraid as a humble IP contributor I lack any real means of positively influencing the situation, but it's indisputably to Wikipedia's detriment to allow this person to succeed in his vanity editing, which bewilderingly seems to have gone under the radar for several years. Many thanks for your hard work!

Just because you're an IP, doesn't mean you can't interact and participate. For instance there is an AfD for Felix Leong currently underway, you're more than welcome to participate there should you desire. AfDs are done on strength of argument and policy, not votes, so your voice is as valid as anyone elses. Canterbury Tail talk 16:18, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I added my two cents in what I hope is a productive way; I considered mentioning the fact that the personal profiles (https://www.ewingchun.com/sifus/maurice-novoa https://www.ewingchun.com/sifus/anthony-arnett https://www.ewingchun.com/sifus/felix-leong-cheok-son) of Maurice Novoa, Anthony Arnett, Felix Leong and his student Nick Legg (featured at one point in several of ABB's photos demonstrating with Felix Leong, with meticulous specific mention in photo captions)- perhaps tellingly, the only one NOT to receive his own article here, which would allow defence against accusation of vanity editing?- all indicate their association, but that's rather over-egging the pudding, at least at this point. Taking Maurice Novoa as an example- https://www.ewingchun.com/sifus/maurice-novoa : his teacher is shown to be Anthony Arnett (article created by ABB), whose teacher, William Cheung, was also focus of much editing attention from ABB; Felix Leong is listed as another teacher. On Felix Leong's profile is listed Nick Legg, whose profile states him to be "one of Grandmaster Felix Leong's oldest and most senior disciples" (ABB has claimed himself to be a "pentioner" when challenged...) who "currently teaches Sifu Maurice once a week the many lineages taught to im (sic) by Grandmaster Felix." Perhaps not viable "evidence" by Wikipedia standards; at the very least a bit of interesting background, I thought. EDIT: Sorry, forgot one thing- when, in September 2020, on the Felix Leong article talk page, he was challenged with being "probably either Nick Legg or Maurice Novoa", the usually voluble and argumentative ABB said nothing further. When however his Maurice Novoa article was put up for deletion and a conflict of interest put to him, he forcefully denied being Maurice Novoa.

The location of Slaghtaverty

I believe my edit shouldn’t of been changed as it remained accurate while avoiding political bias in a very tense political situation whereas your ‘correction’ does not. I changed the description of Slaghtaverty from being near Maghera in Londonderry to being near Maghera in Ulster, this is still an accurate and correct description. I will admit it is slightly less precise but only slightly and the reader should have no trouble finding the location based on my description, the reason I replaced ‘Londonderry’ with Ulster is that all communities across the island of Ireland agree on Ulster as the location, whereas the Name of Derry/Londonderry is both colloquially and legally recognised differently depending on your political and ethnic background or which state of Ireland you’re in (Northern or Republic), Londonderry is equally as correct as Derry yet moderators seem to insist that Londonderry has preference over Derry, wars where fought over issues like this and violence continues to this day, I feel it’s only respectable to avoid the county when describing the location of Slaghtaverty and it would be pedantic to insist on being so specific especially since it’s close proximity to Maghera was already mentioned Michael Murfie (talk) 14:17, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For context this was regarding the Abhartach page Michael Murfie (talk) 14:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So why not the country it's in then, Northern Ireland. Ulster isn't used for anything anymore. And County Londonderry isn't politically sensitive, it's the name of the county and has been ever since it was created. Some people colloquially call it County Derry, but that's never been its name since it was previously County Coleraine. You're the only one making some political issue out of it. Canterbury Tail talk 14:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question re: COI and new articles

Hi! I stumbled across one of the articles that you nominated for deletion. I agree that the article should be deleted, but your explanation brought up a question for me. Is a history of COI a reason to delete an article? I have been only looking at the article itself and not the editor who created it, but you and the other voter both brought up COI. I want to make sure that I am properly evaluating articles, so I thought I would ask. I really appreciate your help in making me a better editor! FiddleheadLady (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not entirely no. It could be considered a factor, but it’s definitely not a single reason to do so in all honesty. Canterbury Tail talk 17:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP:69.113.129.208

Hello, could I please alert you to the fact that 69.113.129.208 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is still edit warring on American Airlines, although you have blocked them for 24 hours. Perhaps a longer block is required? Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 11:41, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those edits are from 20 minutes before they were blocked. They are currently blocked and cannot edit. Feel free to let me know if they continue once their block expires. Canterbury Tail talk 13:03, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They've continued after the block expired: see here, among others. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 00:33, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked again. 1 week this time. Canterbury Tail talk 01:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. BilCat (talk) 01:24, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Null perspiration. Canterbury Tail talk 01:25, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They're back! BilCat (talk) 02:17, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Their edits don't appear to have been disruptive since their return. However perhaps trying to engage them on their talk page pre-emptively one last time may be beneficial? Canterbury Tail talk 12:46, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2021).

Administrator changes

Jake Wartenberg

Emperor • Viridian Bovary

Ashleyyoursmile → Viridian Bovary

Guideline and policy news

Feedback is requested on the Universal Code of Conduct enforcement draft by the Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee.
A RfC is open on whether to allow administrators to use extended confirmed protection on high-risk templates.
A discussion is open to decide when, if ever, should discord logs be eligible for removal when posted onwiki (including whether to oversight them)
A RfC on the next steps after the trial of pending changes on TFAs has resulted in a 30 day trial of automatic semi protection for TFAs.

Technical news

The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.

Arbitration

A request for comment is in progress to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules. Comments and new proposals are welcome.

Miscellaneous

The 2021 RfA review is now open for comments.

Sorry I put my comments/request up top.Palisades1 (talk) 03:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:44, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hunger strike

Hi - the reason given for your revert on the 1981 Irish hunger strike page (2 Sept 2021) "Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike" on the page - was "already in more appropriate and specific subcategory". I assume you mean that you feel that the existing category "Hunger strikes" was more user friendly than the category "Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike".

Looking at the category Hunger strikes - in order to get to the listing of all of the Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike (20th century) a reader will need to access another page "List of hunger strikes" and then will find an incomplete listing of Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike.

The most appropriate and specific subcategory for a full listing of 20th century Irish hunger Striker deaths is the one that was reverted: Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike.

I think our goal is to provide readers simple access to the information.

Please reconsider your revert. Thanks for your consideration.

Palisades1 (talk) 03:26, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No I reverted them because they're already in a more specific and appropriate category, namely "Category:People who died on the 1981 Irish hunger strike". This is a subcategory of "Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike" and is more more precise. That 1981 strike is the hunger strike they died in. We shouldn't be general when we can be specific, the lower a category we can place an article in the better and the 1981 hunger strike category was already there and is a subcategory of "Category:Irish prisoners who died on hunger strike". If you go to that category you will see the 1981 strike inside of it. Canterbury Tail talk 11:02, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Returning disruptive editor

Could you please have a word with this IP (who is obviously the same editor that you blocked previously for disruptive editing)? Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 22:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What did I do that was disruptive? 2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:C48:500D:EFA4:745E (talk) 22:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please see their previous disruptions and blindingly obvious POV pushing (previous ANI report). Thanks M.Bitton (talk) 22:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Blindingly obvious POV pushing" lmao ok. Why don't you answer the question? Speak out the "POV pushing" you think I'm doing, if you are man enough to do so. 2605:AD80:FFF0:14EF:C48:500D:EFA4:745E (talk) 22:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reform Party of Canada ‎

If you got time and are interested ... Talk:Reform Party of Canada#‎political position.--Moxy- 21:47, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2021).

Administrator changes

Blablubbs

Alvestrand • Black Falcon • Deathphoenix • Dppowell • Mark Arsten • JGHowes (deceased)

Oversighter changes

Callanecc

Mkdw

Interface administrator changes

Galobtter

Guideline and policy news

Following an RfC, extended confirmed protection may be used preemptively on certain high-risk templates.
Following a discussion at the Village Pump, there is consensus to treat discord logs the same as IRC logs. This means that discord logs will be oversighted if posted onwiki.

Technical news

DiscussionTools has superseded Enterprisey's reply-link script. Editors may switch using the "Discussion tools" checkbox under Preferences → Beta features.

Arbitration

A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.

Miscellaneous

Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:03, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Starship Troopers Article

Hi, the discussion has gotten long and slightly difficult to follow because of the number of participants, but I have replied to you on the Starship Troopers Talk page. Basically, I refer to the references provided by Schazjmd. Koikefan (talk) 20:50, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TommySocialist again

Since they admit to being a sockpuppet, could you block their current IP please? FDW777 (talk) 14:18, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Someone already got to it. Canterbury Tail talk 14:19, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Was just coming to say that! FDW777 (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Although the block has now expired and they are still using 51.37.1.104 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). FDW777 (talk) 13:12, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And the monkey presses the button. Down for a month for now. Canterbury Tail talk 13:20, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Leong

Check your facts the news reports on Leong are certainly not local we have no local news TV channels in Australia they are channels 10, 9, SBS, 7, ABC Leong has been on prime time 3 times which is more than any other Australian martial artist this decade, As for the LATIN AUSTRALIAN TIMES that was a NATIONAL NEWSPAPER delivered to all state in the country. You have little idea about what is local or national in Australia as for the articles I've created I have made over a dozen, Leong is not my LAST article that remains . Your vendetta against me is childish and Leong will be restored as he will be featured in national news sources again next month on his birthday. get a life mate Australianblackbelt (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have no vendetta against you, you just keep creating articles on non-notable people and promoting people you have connection with in violation of WP:COI. And your claim that he will be featured in national news sources again next month just goes to show that you have a COI. Felix Leong's article was deleted after regular process at Articles for Deletion as can be seen here, I did not delete it, it was the consensus of the community that he is not notable. And please be civil to other editors. Canterbury Tail talk 02:12, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170216082414/http://latinaustralian.com.au/ this newspaper was supported by all 13 consulates and embassies of Spanish speaking countries in Australia and was delivered to all states, look at the journalists they are award winners yet you say its a local news letter with no journalistic oversite why spread such nonsense Australianblackbelt (talk) 19:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In fact you had all LAT sources deleted without proper discussion Australianblackbelt (talk) 19:28, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a point to make or are you just going to continue coming to my talk page to rant that all the articles you are creating about people you know are being deleted by the community for being non-notable? I have never deleted an article of yours, they were all deleted by the community at large due to their non-notability. Additionally your COI in all of those articles was also very telling. Despite the fact you've been warned about COI on many occasions you still have not declared your conflicts on your user page and the articles as you're required to. If you continue your pattern of creating articles about non-notable persons, and persons you have a conflict of interest with, the likely course of action will be that you will end up blocked from the project. Oh and references to the LAT were deleted as unreliable due to it being, well, unreliable and all the stories that were being used as references were purely local community fluff pieces not reliable journalism. The LAT may have some items that are reliable, but those fluff pieces are not. This has come up in many article deletion discussions as well and the reliable sources noticeboard. Canterbury Tail talk 19:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody answered you call on the notice board about LAT what are you on about Australianblackbelt (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC) Australianblackbelt (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you recreate the Felix Leong article with no better-quality sources than before, with the addition of a similarly poor-quality source or sources mentioning his birthday, no doubt the article will be deleted once again on grounds of insufficient notability (leaving quite aside the by now well-established COI factor), as all that will have been established is that a non-notable local community martial arts teacher of no particular distinction was born on a particular day. Given that your crusade thus far has, unfortunately for you, drawn considerable attention, you would be advised simply to bow out at this point and not persist in acting against the principles of Wikipedia as you have been doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.209.114 (talk) 22:52, 3 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – November 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).

Administrator changes

Clpo13

Brian0918 • JDoorjam • Karanacs • MrDarcy • Mindspillage

Interface administrator changes

Evad37

CheckUser changes

Dreamy Jazz • Ferret • GeneralNotability • Girth Summit • RoySmith

Oversight changes

Dreamy Jazz • LuK3

Guideline and policy news

Phase 2 of the 2021 RfA review has commenced which will discuss potential solutions to address the 8 issues found in Phase 1. Proposed solutions that achieve consensus will be implemented and you may propose solutions till 07 November 2021.

Technical news

Toolhub is a catalogue of tools which can be used on Wikimedia wikis. It is at https://toolhub.wikimedia.org/.

Arbitration

GeneralNotability, Mz7 and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2021 Arbitration Committee Elections. Ivanvector and John M Wolfson are reserve commissioners.
Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves to stand in the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections from 07 November 2021 until 16 November 2021.

Miscellaneous

The 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of five new CheckUsers and two new Oversighters.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HELP!

Hello, I'm Binaza. Can you please help me review what's going on, on this page? The second paragraph is wrongly cited as the references used, doesn't show verifiability. ◢ Binaza! (talk) 23:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking about nominating this page for deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable. Canterbury Tail talk 11:28, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Liz ^{Read! Talk!}, I am thinking the exact same thing. Especially since this Binaza is probably the same person as Ugochukwu75 (talk). Fred Zepelin (talk) 14:52, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Stop accusing people of being socks and of being paid editors without providing any evidence. Such bad faith isn’t tolerated. If you have evidence please present it, or stop making the accusations. Canterbury Tail talk 21:47, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I googled the reporting process and went ahead and did it. All the evidence is in the report I filed. I'm also pretty fed up so far with people telling me this and that without offering any help even when it's obvious that what I'm saying is true, but I guess maybe that's how it works here - you have to google everything because of the byzantine layers of bureaucracy. That's probably on purpose, I suppose, to discourage people who aren't savvy enough to figure it out on their own. That doesn't make it any less frustrating. Thanks a lot. Fred Zepelin (talk) 01:05, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All the information and links to reporting sock puppetry can be found at WP:SOCK and reports of paid editing can take place at WP:ANI. None of this is hidden and most can be found simply from reading through the policies. Canterbury Tail talk 01:18, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reading policy pages and filing a SPI report is preferable to "Googling" information. If you ever have questions about how Wikipedia policy works or what to do, there is always the Teahouse where you can bring your questions. It can help you find your way through the bureaucracy. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the advice. I still had to google "SPI" - believe it or not, that seems to get me to the right Wikipedia page quicker than typing that into the Wikipedia search bar. If I did stuff in the wrong order, I apologize for that, but Binaza was eventually confirmed to be a sockpuppet of Ugochukwu75, as I suspected. Now another sock is attempting the same paid editing nonsense - it's User:Film Fanatical10069, who had not made an edit in 4 years and magically started editing the same article that Ugochukwu75 and Binaza were involved in. Right after Ugochukwu75's appeal to be unblocked was denied, of course. I filed a new report. Fred Zepelin (talk) 03:48, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Canterbury Tail, @Liz, @Fred Zepelin. Thank you in advance for your patience with me. I received an email after 4 years, about a page delete for Wheels (2014 film), so I logged in and found Fred was trying to remove the page for lack of references. I found some good references and uploaded them and actually am interested in giving this another try. I got pretty discouraged last time as it was tough for me to figure out due to medical issues. I actually just found the visual editor, so that makes life lots easier. But what I don't understand is why @Fred Zepelin is harassing me and taking down my references. I appreciate his passion, but I do not appreciate his lack of professionalism. I was trying to thank him for his cleanup of the page and he said something about my sister on my talk page. My account is 6 years old and I would love to get back into creating and building articles. Can you please offer me any advice regarding this? Also finding a mentor. Thank you in advance for your help. Film Fanatical10069 (talk) 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You added more than one of the exact same promotional/PR firm "references" that you tried to add under the Ugochukwu75 account. You also had edited Donavon Warren in the past, (everyone take a look at this edit, where he deleted the notice about Donavon Warren) but when that deletion happened recently, your Ugochukwu75 account wasn't blocked yet, so you didn't have a need to use this one. Are we supposed to believe that you didn't receive an email when Donavon Warren was being deleted, or that you ignored that one, and you only decided to awaken after the Wheels article was considered for deletion? And it's coincidence that the Ugochukwu75 was blocked in between those two instances? Why'd you delete the paragraph about Donavon Warren on your talk page just now? Come on. Fred Zepelin (talk) 04:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IndieWire, AFI, Turner Classic Movies and Movie Insider are not promotional websites. You also deleted other references which were noted in the keep page as being notable. Please see Talk:Wheels (2014 film). I didn't receive an email because I did not create that page. To be honest, I really don't want to get into whatever it is you are doing here. You obviously have some sort of motivation to get the page taken down as you keep vandalizing it, taking down sources and have put time into this. I am just here to create and edit and not get involved with whatever it is you are doing. So please stop harassing me. Film Fanatical10069 (talk) 04:44, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting claim where you said "I didn't receive an email because I did not create that page" in reference to the Donavon Warren article. I'd like you to take a look at this page here.

I have two questions:

1 - If you didn't create the article, why does Onel5969 say "I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Donavon Warren, for deletion"?

2 - Why did you suddenly, less than an hour after you started editing for the first time in 4 years, delete that one piece of information tying you to the Warren article from your talk page? Fred Zepelin (talk) 05:04, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please take your sniping and warring someplace else, like ANI. Canterbury Tail talk 13:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for clearing up the vandal for the Myanmar National Airline article. I was really confused when i found Myanmar National Airlines on the list of Boeing 777 operators. PatrickChiao (talk) 01:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User engaging in Edit warring

Hi, you had blocked User talk:ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ for 24 hours for Edit warring recently for a period of 24 hours. However, the user is back to edit warring and making disruptive edits at 2017 elections in India as soon as the block period was over.

The user has been making the same incorrect edit again and again - (1), (2) and (3). The user has also disrupted the table under section 'State legislatures' here. The map has been specifically made for the page 2022 elections in India and the user is deliberately adding it to the wrong page. The user does not respond to warnings on the talk page as well. Would you please check this out? Thanks.Dhruv edits (talk) 01:46, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bond Behind the Iron Curtain

Hello, I added a one sentence citation to a new book I read that consists of articles and essays about the James Bond books translated now from what were Iron Curtain countries. This was immediately deleted as "not notable" by a user w/o a user page and then, after I reverted, another user who clearly had not read the book deleted it. I have read the book, it is by Ian Fleming's nephew, James Fleming. It includes translations from East European counties of essays written about Bond. You suguessted I take this to the James Bond "Talk" page, which I did. Neither of them have responded. What do you suggest I do next? I don't see what these two did as an edit war...more like vandalism from people who did not take the time to read the book. Thank you.Kmccook (talk) 15:07, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note you are making an assumption, and not assuming good faith to say the other editors have not read it and that you consider their edits vandalism. Comment on edits, not editors. And note it was you I considered to be edit warring, not the other editors. That aside, give it a week or so on the talk page talk rarely happens in 24 hours. Note in researching the book it does indeed not appear to be notable, and isn't generating any real reliable third party source discussion and analysis beyond advertising copy. Maybe that will change, but at this point it doesn't appear to be notable. And as a result having a seemingly non-notable book by a barely notable author (yes I know he's a relative, but notability is not inherited) doesn't belong in a Cultural Impact section. Time may tell a different story and it may be a case of "not yet", but right now looking into it in more detail, it does indeed appear to be non-notable and not a part of popular culture at this time. Canterbury Tail talk 22:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The book just came out and I read it last week. These essays were in Russian, Polish, etc. and not known to the West. Their cultural impact on the former Iron Curtain nations cannot be assessed until we have responses from their literary establishments. Kmccook (talk) 23:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I didn't dismiss it, I just said it seems like a "not yet", too soon kind of thing. Until reliable third party sources talk about the book, it's not notable unfortunately. Time may change that. Canterbury Tail talk 13:41, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Self block

Hi CT, was startled to see you blocked, but then I saw the reason. Hoping that you and your family are okay. GeneralNotability (talk) 15:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise; sending my regards to you and your family at this time, also. Patient Zero^talk 03:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Leong and Jim Fung

The reason I believe you had a vendetta against me was you had Felix Leong the Australian Wing Chun master deleted but didn’t touch Jim Fung who has stuff all sources and has never been on TV like Felix. Australianblackbelt (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC) Australianblackbelt (talk) 22:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 Hi CT, was startled to see you blocked, but then I saw the reason. Hoping that you and your family are okay. [[User:GeneralNotability|GeneralNotability]] ([[User talk:GeneralNotability|talk]]) 15:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 :Likewise; sending my regards to you and your family at this time, also. [[User:Patient Zero|'''Patient Zero''']]<sup>[[User talk:Patient Zero|'''talk''']]</sup> 03:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
+== Felix Leong and Jim Fung ==
+The reason I believe you had a vendetta against me was you had Felix Leong the Australian Wing Chun master deleted but didn’t touch [[Jim Fung]] who has stuff all sources and has never been on TV like Felix. [[User:Australianblackbelt|Australianblackbelt]] ([[User talk:Australianblackbelt|talk]]) 22:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC) [[User:Australianblackbelt|Australianblackbelt]] ([[User talk:Australianblackbelt|talk]]) 22:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)