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June 6

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June 6, 2024 (2024-06-06) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza At least 40 Palestinians, including fourteen children, are killed and more than 70 injured after an Israeli airstrike on a United Nations school that was sheltering refugees in central Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war Three Palestinians are killed and several others are injured in an Israel Defense Forces raid on Jenin in the West Bank. (The Times of Israel) (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War President of France Emmanuel Macron announces that the country will send Dassault Mirage 2000-5 fighter aircraft to Ukraine and train its pilots by the end of 2024. (The Telegraph) Red Sea crisis The Houthis and the Islamic Resistance in Iraq claim to have launched two joint military attacks against ships at the Port of Haifa in Israel. However, Israel denies the claims. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Uttarakhand snowstorm disaster A blizzard in the Himalaya mountains of Uttarakhand, India, kills nine Indian trekkers. (Reuters) At least six people, including mostly children, drown after a school bus falls into the Orontes River near Darkush, Syria. (Asharq Al-Awsat) Six fishermen are killed and one is critically injured after a boat's engine exploded and caught the wooden hull on fire off the coast of Naga in the Philippines. (AP) One person is killed and more than 100 others are injured after two trams collide in Kemerovo, Russia. (The Moscow Times) A child is killed and at least thirteen other people are injured by tornadoes in the U.S. states of Michigan, Maryland, and Ohio. (AP) International relations France–Russia relations A French citizen is detained in Moscow, Russia, under suspicion of collecting military information. (ABC News) Georgia–United States relations The United States Department of State sanctions several Georgian Dream politicians with travel bans for passing the "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence", threatening further penalties if Georgia continues "anti-democratic activity". (AP) Palestine–United States relations The Biden administration imposes sanctions on the Lions' Den militant group based in Nablus in the West Bank, for committing attacks in the West Bank since October 2022. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Belarus–European Union border crisis A Polish border guard soldier dies after being stabbed by a migrant trying to cross the EU border from Belarus. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 European Parliament election Elections to the European Parliament begin and will continue until June 9, with the Netherlands and Estonia voting today. (Al Jazeera) (NOS) South Africa's genocide case against Israel Spain applies to join South Africa's case at the International Court of Justice accusing Israel of genocide. (AP) Science and technology SpaceX launches Starship's Integrated Flight Test 4, successfully guiding both the Super Heavy booster and Starship upper stage to soft water landings in the Gulf of Mexico and the Indian Ocean, respectively. (The New York Times) Sports The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series in softball with the first-ever four-peat. (The New York Times)

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RD: T. D. Allman

Article: T. D. Allman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Obit published 6 June. Thriley (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait there is one cn tag and there are works that are unsourced, otherwise article is alright. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 04:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has several cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
• Six {cn} tags remaining in the prose. Multiple bullet-points in the lists after the prose are also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
• Still nowhere near good enough. Schwede66 21:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Sooners four-peat

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Article: 2024 NCAA Division I softball tournament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series with the first-ever four-peat. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Oklahoma Sooners win the 2024 Women's College World Series for the fourth consecutive season in a row.
News source(s): ESPN, NY Times, USA Today, KFOR
Credits:

• Nominated by WeatherWriter (talk · give credit)
• Created by DetroitFan7 (talk · give credit)

The first ever four-peat in college softball history. Even the NY Times called it "historic". The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• I can support this (women's sports fights systemic bias) but (1) it needs a lot of prose describing what happened and why a four-peat is historic and (2) a lot of images to add interest to all the tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Please keep slang/jargon such as "four-peat" out of ITN. I think I can guess what it means, but I shouldn't have to guess. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@HiLo48: to note, the “four-peat” is used by all RS and is why it is notable. Google “four-peat” or “4-peat” and you see dozens of RS news articles, including those listed here. So I disagree that it should not be used in ITN, since RS uses it way more than not. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Also to note, “four-peat” is an actual term in the merriam-webster dictionary. So, it is not “slang” or “jargon”. Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 05:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The Women's Softball World Cup actually takes place next month in Italy. Even that top-tier event isn't WP:ITN/R. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: So what? NY Times and ESPN lied? If I misread the sources, please explain what the Sooners won according to NY Times and ESPN. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The NCAA tournament calls itself the "World Series", probably named after MLB World Series, but is just an American collegiate tournament rather than an international professional one. Curbon7 (talk) 06:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose "College team wins national tournament in minor sport for 4th time". Not exactly world news. Its not in WP:ITN/R and uses slang in its proposed form. (What on earth is a "four-peat"? Certainly not a term we use here in the UK). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@The C of E: Alt-blurb without “slang” added. Please strike the part of your oppose for that. Also, clearly you can’t read what was posted just above yours on how “four-peat” is a dictionary term and not slang. Lol… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I wrote that in response to your "Just because you don’t know what it means, doesn’t mean the rest of the world doesn’t" quote. Just to prove the rest of the world doesn't, for its not in the Oxford English Dictionary. Must be some US-specific term. Anyway, the !oppose still stands for it not being on ITN/R. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

For your reference, it isn’t just an US thing. Manchester City's Premier League four-peat on ESPN. I still disagree that just because it isn’t on ITN/R, doesn’t mean it can’t be listed. ITN/R is a guideline for things guaranteed to be listed. For a first-time in history event, one would think it should be listed, despite not being on ITN/R. But, I shall respect your opinion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose not ITNR, not ITN-worthy, not globally relevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Congratulations to the Sooners but this is not really a major global notable event.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Sergei Novikov (mathematician)

Article: Sergei Novikov (mathematician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Semenov, Kirill Vladimirovich (6 June 2024). "Скончался Сергей Петрович Новиков". Moscow State University (in Russian). Retrieved 6 June 2024.
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

The first Fields Medal recipient from the Soviet Union and a Wolf Prize recipient. — MarkH₂₁^talk 00:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article appears to be well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 19:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Starship successful flight test

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Article: SpaceX Starship integrated flight test 4 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX conducts a successful flight of Starship, with a landing for the Booster and Ship (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SpaceX Starship successfully launches, culminating in a re-entry and ocean landing for both the Booster and Ship.
News source(s): New York Times, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Come ON! This is one of the most insane and incredible spaceflights in human history. Completely successful orbital launch followed by a successful atmospheric re-entry and hard landing for BOTH the Booster and Ship. The most powerful rocket in history. We have to post this PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Is this even a question? Couple very small failures, but still hugely successful, and they both landed for the first time. This was the most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade. qw3rty 14:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I highly recommend everyone go and watch the replay of this, one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. Ship the size of the Statue of Liberty plummeting through the atmosphere, green and blue plasma flying all over the feed, the craft literally melting away live but still manoeuvring for landing. Just insane. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 14:06, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  'most anticipated spaceflight event of the decade' no it isn't, not even close. That's Artemis 3, which will land humans on the Moon. Modest Genius ^talk 17:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is a massive step towards that mission too PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Not every SpaceX launch deserves a blurb. Even Boeing Starliner's very first crewed flight is being heavily debated below, so a test flight into orbit for a prototype Starship isn't really blurb-worthy. (Edit 14:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC): Not even into orbit as per below) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like Starliner is coming to a consensus [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. This was the first actually successful flight of Starship. Very important milestone in spaceflight. Note that this was not an orbital flight though. Agile Jello (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Chaotic Enby. Not even into orbit. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Being on an orbital trajectory is a rather arbitrary requirement, especially as by all metrics Starship made it to space, just not at an orbital velocity (which wasn't the goal of the flight). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.

  This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Other nominations regarding Starship were opposed due to a failure to complete the entire test or meet some arbitrary requirement. Of course, now opposes are citing some other random arbitrary requirement to meet ITN. By all measures, this was a historic moment which may very well mark the beginning of human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Every test flight is a step towards human effort to establish an extra-terrestrial settlement, this one is only one more small incremental improvement, and I don't see why it is any more historic than any other. It's not about a random arbitrary requirement, it's about the fact that we don't blurb test flights achieving slightly more than the previous test flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  First fully successful test flight of the first fully reusable and most powerful rocket in history, as well as the largest vehicle to ever make a controlled landing, as well as being all over the news. We've posted a lot less. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's easy to describe every test flight as a "first" in something as they each do incrementally better than the previous one, but until there's an actual payload, or maybe even manned mission, not every Starship first should be ITN-relevant. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  So the first commercial satellite launch of Starship would be notable for ITN in your view? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:58, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Possibly. I don't believe in posting every Starship "first", but if there's one to pick, it's either that or the first manned flight. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough, though I personally believe this is notable enough to be posted PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is not just a major milestone in SpaceX development, but a significant milestone in human spaceflight history as the largest ever rocket's first successful flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Plus the first successful flight and landing of a fully reusable rocket, which is a game-changer. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Another incremental test flight, still not to orbit and still without a payload. 'Successful hard landing' is a euphemism for 'intentionally destroyed on impact'. I'm getting pretty fed up of every test being nominated. If Starship actually achieves something useful then I'll reconsider; gradually getting closer to a usable state isn't blurb-worthy. Modest Genius ^talk 17:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Where did "hard landing" come from? The article claims soft landings for both the ship and the booster, and the CBS News source it links to appears to confirm that (although for the ship it simply quotes Musk's claim on that). 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  'Hard landing' is in the nomination above. The article calls it a 'virtual landing' i.e. not a real landing. Modest Genius ^talk 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  From the article: "B11 successfully splashed down in the Gulf of Mexico, in what SpaceX has confirmed was a soft landing" and "S29 splashed down softly in the Indian Ocean." If that's wrong, it should probably be corrected, but the sources given seem to confirm it. 167.24.104.189 (talk) 17:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Both the Booster and Ship appeared to land intact based on the telemetry (though the ship had taken damage on the flaps), I don't think we've gotten confirmation yet as to their status now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Mention of "hard landing" in nomination appears to be in error? Both vehicles performed soft touchdowns successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  See WP:ITNCDONT point 4 [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  I did read the article - at the time of my comment it said nothing about the landings, only plans for the landings. We can argue semantics if you like, but being destroyed when they enter the ocean does not constitute a soft landing to me, even if they slowed down first. There's no evidence either craft was in the intended location either - the upper stage almost certainly wasn't, given its fins were completely shredded during re-entry. Anyway, none of this makes this more than a test flight, so it isn't suitable for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 10:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is an uninformed analysis. Starship was orbiting the earth at 26.000 km/h and slowed down to 50km/h performing a vertical soft landing. The same happened for the booster. The entire stack is the largest and most powerful rocket ever built. This is a monumental achievement and an historic first in human spaceflight technology. Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history. We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission (performed by an extremely delayed but totally ordinary launch platform) and not this? {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Starship was orbiting the earth It was not, this was a suborbital flight
  Nothing similar has ever been attempted in history I remember SpaceX attempting this three times already, and claiming each time that it was the first "true" success
  We just had in the news the Boeing Starliner launch which is a routine ISS crew mission And, more importantly, is Boeing Starliner's first manned flight, rather than its fourth test flight Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  The news here is that both the booster and the launch vehicle of the most powerful rocket ever achieved orbital re-entry and performed the first vertical soft water landings in history. Calling that flight "sub orbital" is farcical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  So jarring that the Starliner launch is the first item and this is not even mentioned... unfortunately the topic at this point is absurdly polarised and the results are simply comical. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  But it was not an orbital flight. They weren't on an orbital trajectory at any point. That's literally the definition of suborbital. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius. I also get the feeling that this is an incremental improvement, which is exactly what Starship's development approach really is. This is the fourth integrated flight test in less than a year, and there's going to be a fifth one by the end of this month. I really don't see why this one warrants inclusion. When it achieves something beyond the current limits of spaceflight development, then that would be the right news to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  If IFT-5 is another flight like this, even if the full system is recovered, I would be against posting, but this is the first fully successful flight, and previous tests were shut down due to not all objectives of the mission being met.

  The booster catch, if performed successfully on IFT-5, would definitely fit ITN imo PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support per PrecariousWorlds and Kcmastrpc. Alexcalamaro (talk) 17:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose another week, another SpaceX launch. Starship is launching test flights so often now that it is hard to keep track (expected to have 4 more this year). So what that this one did not explode. When Starship has its first crewed launch, then we can post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Surely it's not necessary to have every space flight included here. Got to be something really out of the ordinary. Nigej (talk) 18:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is not just an ordinary space flight; it is the first fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft currently operational. Surely the complete success of IFT-4 deserves a brief mention in current events, as opposed to the incremental successes of the last two Starship flights. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius. I'll consider supporting if/when they do a crewed launch, but this is just another incremental test. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose While we'd posted IFT-1, it quickly came in retrospect to have been viewed as a mistake, and neither IFT-2 or IFT-3 were posted. This is merely an incremental test flight that doesn't mark any big turning point. The only difference being claimed is that the vehicles mostly remained intact/capable up to the point they were expected to blow up; it still had a number of "partial failures," so it doesn't even cross the bar as a 100% success, even before acknowledging that an internal test isn't exactly particularly newsworthy. ITN is not a ticker for SpaceX activities; it's a venue for news, not press releases. Nottheking (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  What? All test objectives were accomplished? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 21:18, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  No, no they were not all accomplished. You can read the list we have on them here. Those yellow items indicate objects only partly completed. "All objectives completed" would mean that list would consist only of green items, with zero yellow, red, or grayed-out.

  The actual qualified statement is that, for the first time, Starship wasn't precluded from even attempting its final objectives. It's notable that it still had engine failures, and most critically, while it was mostly in one-piece on reentry, it did still suffer a heat-shield breach, that resulted in one of its maneuvering flaps burning partly through. (a decent amount of material was observed to have broken free of S28 during reentry & descent) Given that the focal objective repeatedly talked about was to avoid any burning up during reentry, this constitutes only a partial success. Nottheking (talk) 22:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  The main test objectives of this flight were to simulate a booster landing in the Gulf of Mexico, and for the Starship to survive reentry and soft-land in the Indian Ocean. Both of which were accomplished.

  Not sure what you mean by partial success, even major news networks are hailing the flight as the first successful Starship flight. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 00:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Would also like to point out that those are huge first accomplishments in the history of spaceflight... those are monumental steps forward in the history of spaceflight. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Support I believe that this fully successful flight test of the largest spacecraft constructed deserves a brief mention. This story has been covered by multiple major American and international news networks and hailed as a completely successful test flight, including CNN, BBC, CBS, NSBC, etc.

Besides, the opposers seem to be riding on a shaky precedent set by the last three Starship launches that failed. This one is a complete success, very different from the previous IFT-2 and IFT-3. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 21:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose While I do agree that IFT-4 was amazing, the exact notability of the mission isn't really that much (especially compared to IFT-1). Frankly, I don't think we should be nominating Starship launches until a major milestone is achieved (such as first full reuse, first ship-to-ship prop transfer, or even first HLS demo mission). Stoplookin9 Hey there! Send me a message! 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Successful flight test and big milestone in spaceflight towards fully-reusable rockets. 2607:FEA8:E31F:D2C6:932B:262A:AD:4D20 (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Support, incremental improvement over the previous flight but it looks like NASA and the media consider this to be a Big F***ing Deal owing to the controlled landing of both vehicles, especially the controlled reentry and landing of the upper stage being the largest spacecraft ever re-entered (semi?)-successfully [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

It would be pretty curious having 3 notable spaceflight-related blurbs on the front page although this shouldn't be a factor in consensus finding [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

I've not seen much from NASA. I've seen a lot of SpaceX asserting it's a "full success," even though it's still heavily qualified. Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3. Nottheking (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

"Expect it to drop out of the news cycle once it's no longer the day of, just like with IFT-2 and IFT-3" isn't this the same as 50% of the items we post? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest Genius.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Modest Genius and Stoplooking9 Sharrdx (talk) 12:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Strong support having the Boeing Starliner launch in the news section and not this launch which is the first successful complete launch of the most powerful (and advanced) rocket ever built is crazy. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Because Boeing Starliner is the actual first manned mission, while this is just another, slightly more successful test launch. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Comparing the two is farcical. Starliner is a totally routine and ordinary mission. The only notable aspect of that mission is that the first launch was so delayed. Starship is the world's most powerful rocket. Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight and this test resulted in many "firsts" and many records and a huge step forward in human spaceflight technology. In the words of NASA Administrator Bill Nelson: “Congratulations SpaceX on Starship’s successful test flight this morning! We are another step closer to returning humanity to the Moon through Artemis—then looking onward to Mars.” {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 13:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Nothing similar to Starship was ever attempted in the history of human spaceflight - this is not evident. You're bludgeoning this thread with peacock terms and SpaceX boosterism, accompanied by crystal-ball claims about the Moon and Mars - but the evidence just doesn't support it. It's a decent test, don't get me wrong - but it just doesn't deserve the exaggerated hype you're heaping on it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

this is not evident I understand that. Hence this absurd discussion exists. Unfortunately, to anyone with basic knowledge of spaceflight technology this is abundantly clear. See for example: SpaceX Starship launches on nail-biting 4th test flight of world's most powerful rocket https://www.space.com/spacex-starship-flight-4-test-launch-success

What you call "boosterism" and "peacock terms" are actually reality. This is:

• the biggest rocket ever launched
• the most powerful rocket ever launched
• the first successful re-entry of a booster of this class
• the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class
• the first successful orbital re-entry of a space vehicle of this class
• the first successful vertical soft landing of a booster of this class

And many other firsts (more technical). This is a monumental achievement in the history of spaceflight. But sure, let's talk about Boeing Starliner. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I can't understand why in unbiased and good faith you are actively against posting this blurb about Starship. IFT-1 and IFT-4 are subjectively notable to the same degree. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per Modest Genius. Not every single test needs to be posted. Seems like a recurring theme that "ooh-la-la! cool spaceship launched!" is taken into consideration here. Kline • talk • contribs 17:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Israel–Maldives relations

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Article: Israel–Maldives relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Maldives bans Israeli passport holders from entering the country, following the war in Gaza. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera CNN Times of Israel The President's Office Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

MAL MALDIVE (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Minor development in the war, and the Maldives already didn't have diplomatic relations with Israel. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose footnote to the ongoing conflict. Masem (t) 13:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Minor diplomatic move that won't make any difference to the war. Modest Genius ^talk 17:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose good attempt but oppose per Modest Genius Ion.want.uu (talk) 05:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Rosa (sea otter)

Article: Rosa (sea otter) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Monterey Bay Aquarium
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jbvann05 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Sea otter at the Monterey Bay Aquarium. Jbvann05 01:52, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Well sourced, decent depth of coverage (for an otter you know). Looks good to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Actually just missed the lack of a source for her death date in the infobox. That's been rectified. It should probably be mentioned in the article proper as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Sufficiently sourced and generally of decent article quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready Still many primary YouTube sources, and several tags in the last two sections of the article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  All the cn tags have been removed now. Jbvann05 20:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Not ready but I support it when it is. The "care" section has some fluff that needs removed too. EvergreenFir (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks well written and well sourced (though I would prefer fewer primary sources and social media ones). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. Marking as ready. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Support RIP, article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

June 5

Portal:Current events/2024 June 5

June 5, 2024 (2024-06-05) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Sudanese civil war Wad Al-Noora massacre The Rapid Support Forces storm the village of Wad Al-Noora in Gezira State, Sudan, and massacre nearly 100 villagers. (Sudan Tribune) 2021–2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks At least 16 people are killed in Beni, Democratic Republic of the Congo. The local government believes the Allied Democratic Forces are responsible. (Reuters) 2024 Beirut US embassy shooting A Syrian man fires several shots at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, and is shot by security forces. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah strikes an Iron Dome battery in Ramot Naftali, Israel. (Reuters) Korean conflict The United States and South Korea participate in the first precision guided bombing drill in 7 years over the Korean Peninsula, as tensions rise after North Korea sends trash-filled balloons into South Korea. (CNN) (AP) Disasters and accidents Pardubice train collision Four Slovaks and Ukrainians are killed and more than 20 others are injured when a passenger train collides with a freight train in Pardubice, Czech Republic. (CNN) (Reuters) Health and environment A panel of the United States Food and Drug Administration rejects MDMA-assisted psychotherapy as a treatment for PTSD. (NPR) International relations Burkina Faso–Russia relations Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov announces that Russia will send additional military supplies and instructors to Burkina Faso to help the country increase its defense capabilities. (Reuters) Law and crime Mexico–United States border crisis US President Joe Biden institutes a broad asylum ban on migrants illegally crossing the Mexico–United States border, with actions to deport or turn people back to Mexico, with exceptions for unaccompanied children, people with serious medical or safety threats, and victims of trafficking. (Reuters) A court in Florence, Italy, convicts American journalist Amanda Knox and sentences her to a three-year imprisonment over her accusations related to the murder of Meredith Kercher in Perugia in 2007. The sentence will count as time already served. (NBC News) (NPR) Politics and elections Israel–Hamas war protests Israel–Hamas war protests in Israel Thousands of Israeli ultranationalists march through East Jerusalem on Jerusalem Day, with some chanting anti-Arab slogans. (AP) Science and technology Boeing's Starliner capsule launches its first astronaut-crewed flight into space to the International Space Station after several delays at the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida, United States. (ABC News) Russian cosmonaut Oleg Kononenko becomes the first human to spend 1,000 days in outer space. (AP)

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(Posted) Starliner, for real this time

Article: Boeing Crewed Flight Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing Starliner spacecraft conducts its maiden crewed flight, launching two astronauts to the International Space Station. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Iamstillqw3rty (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Just about to enter orbit (only took 14 years). Article needs updating. qw3rty 15:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The most interesting aspect of the CNN report was that this mission is going to fix the ISS's urine recycler which is broken and so they are having to cross their legs up there. But our article says nothing about this and it's not clear that it counts as the sort of "going boldly" that we aspire to. Compared to the Chinese mission, this seems too lower deck to make the grade. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Good for Boeing I guess. This just reads as commercial news to me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability Isn't this ITN/R? I believe we posted SpaceX launches in the past. This is a major milestone for the commercial crewed space program, as there is now a competitor to SpaceX. Article itself looks like may need more details. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Looks like ITN/R had launch of crewed orbital spaceflights before, but it was removed. Natg 19 (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Maiden crewed flight of a new spacecraft. Only the sixth in US history. Agile Jello (talk) 18:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Per the list of crewed spacecraft, it's 9th in the US and 13th overall. Unlucky for some... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose One giant leap for Boeing's involvement in the urine recycling game, only the sixth small step in corporate American space support history. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait - Until the mission concludes, but Hallelujah! It's a latter day miracle! PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support. We rightly removed routine ISS crew rotations and new rocket types from ITNR, so this needs to be judged on its own merits. We posted a blurb about the first SpaceX crewed launch to the space station (Crew Dragon Demo-2), so it seems fair to also post Boeing reaching the same milestone. But that should be the only time we feature this spacecraft going to the ISS. The article is underwhelming but in good enough shape to post. I can see a case for waiting until it docks with the ISS though. Modest Genius ^talk 19:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  The Dragon Demo was posted in May 2020 because it was a different time with different rules on presumed importance and resistance was futile. Same reason we kept a massive box of constant COVID nearby (more or less). Nowadays, we're free! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Update: they're having difficulty docking CNN. Modest Genius ^talk 17:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Successfully docked, as of 17:41 UTC. Natg 19 (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  OK. Then we should post as soon as reliable sources have reported that fact and the article has been updated. Modest Genius ^talk 17:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support - The article is in decent shape and the notability and newsworthiness is high. Jusdafax (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support notable as first for spacecraft, future crewed launches of spacecraft however shouldn't be posted. Happily888 (talk) 04:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support as Boeing's first crewed launch, but future launches shouldn't be posted even if they do incrementally better. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:53, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support notable due to being maiden flight of a spacecraft carrying crew, has happened on the order of 20 or so times in human history [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: NASA reports that the spacecraft has docked to the ISS so we may want to consider whether to include that in the blurb or not [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 18:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support per Chaotic Enby. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support This marks the first crewed orbital spaceflight operated by a new entity, which brings the world's total to 5. (after the USSR/Russia, USA, China, and SpaceX) To be honest this is the level of something that should have its own ITN/R criteria, but space ITN/R has been... Slashed down very heavily over the years. This has been covered extensively in the news across its entire campaign to reach launch across the prior month, and is most certainly a major event that changes the landscape of human spaceflight. This is a major historical milestone for the subject.

Worth noting that this is ITN-worthy specifically for being the first such flight by Boeing; routine crewed flights (they're on contract to provide NASA with six more) aren't inherently newsworthy, the same as applies with routine Crew Dragon or Soyuz launches; we get a few of each for each year. However, the first by an entity is newsworthy, and (while this isn't the proper venue) is something that is a glaring absence from the ITN/R criteria. After all, as it stands India's upcoming first crewed Gaganyaan flight (on track for next year) would, in fact, not be ITN/R, as bewildering as that sounds. So that's a clear indicator that right now, there's a huge gap for spaceflights in ITN that aren't ITN/R. Nottheking (talk) 19:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support now that they have successfully docked. --Carnildo (talk) 19:49, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support for notability and reliable sourcing -- Rauisuchian (talk) 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Pull per Andrew Davidson (talk · contribs).wound theology◈ 19:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: having this up while not mentioning Starship's launch on the same day looks ridiculous. The contrast in coverage is jarring especially since many have obviously compared the two launches (since the two companies are competitors) [1]. At this point we should probably remove this as well. It looks like a paid ad for Boeing. Either mention the two (even together) or remove both. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 19:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's a false equivalency. It's entirely logically consistent to think Boeing's launch is ITNworthy, while thinking SpaceX's latest isn't. Whether one (or both) actually are ITNworthy are two separate questions, but it does not look ridiculous to draw the line between them. As we've apparently done. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Aye. As I repeated summarily while closing the other Starbird, it was only a test. This Starcraft is "for real". A test can still be posted if consensus develops, of course. Likewise, "the real thing" can just as easily fail. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  The difference in significance of the two launches is so vast that highlighting one versus the other is comical. One is a "for real" routine ISS crew flight (albeit with a new vehicle). The other is the first successful test of the most powerful rocket in history and the achievement of many firsts in rocketry history (full reusability, vertical landing etc.). I understand if we don't want to report all tests. But then we shouldn't highlight the Starliner ISS crew flight as it is pretty much irrelevant. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 12:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  Nobody seems more into making this a Starliner vs Starship feud than you have, in both nominations. I find it funny, but not "ha-ha funny", and agree each is irrelevant to the other. You're probably right about all those rocket science superlatives, but you can't expect a fan of something else to get as excited about it. Nobody can, whatever their niche. Anyway, I appreciate the effort and am sure you've raised a good deal of rocketry awareness in just trying to get this across to us. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Gtoffoletto I would second this. Additionally that discussion was closed and archived too soon, in a rush, preventing further opinions and discussions. It was closed after only approximately 24 hours, mostly from people who seem to be unaware of it. Ergzay (talk) 21:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: John Blackman

Article: John Blackman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian TV and radio personality HiLo48 (talk) 00:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for sources. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - Noticeable lack of sources in entire sections and overabundance of CN tags. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose a large number of cn atgs and multiple orange tags and needs more sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Asmatullah

Article: Asmatullah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BOL News
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose So stubby that the subject's full name and age are not given. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Mononymic names are not that uncommon in Indic languages. Curbon7 (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as the page is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 10:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Ditto InedibleHulk (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

June 4

Portal:Current events/2024 June 4

June 4, 2024 (2024-06-04) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russia–NATO relations Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warns that French military instructors will be "legitimate targets" if they are deployed to Ukraine. (France 24) Disasters and accidents The Kanlaon volcano in central Philippines erupts, causing evacuations and a suspension of activities in the city of Canlaon. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Slatina protests A mass protest takes place in Slatina, Olt County, Romania, against the inactions of bystanders in the drowning of Flavius Magraon, as well as the police department's corruption in the case. (Adevărul) (B1 TV) Politics and elections 2024 Indian general election The alliance of parties led by Narendra Modi reaches the 272 seats threshold needed to form a government, but Modi's BJP party loses its outright parliamentary majority. (BBC News) 2024 Nigerian general strike The Nigeria Labour Congress (NLC) and Trade Union Congress (TUC) suspend the nationwide general strike, pending talks with the federal government of Nigeria about the raising of the country's minimum wage. (BBC) (Reuters) International recognition of the State of Palestine Slovenia's parliament approves a motion to recognize a Palestinian state. (The Times of Israel) Mexico–United States border crisis US President Joe Biden enacts an executive order to temporarily suspend asylum claims processing at the Mexico–United States border when the seven-day average of claims exceeds 2,500 per day. Amnesty International criticizes the executive order, accusing Biden of "setting a dangerous international precedent". (NPR) (AP) North Korea–South Korea relations The State Council of South Korea suspends the 2018 Panmunjom Declaration due to border tensions over balloons sent across the border by North Korea. (AP) A local Mannheim politician is injured by a stabbing, five days after the May 31 attack in the German city. (BBC) Science and technology Chinese space program The China National Space Administration's Chang'e 6 spacecraft lifts off from the surface of the far side of the Moon carrying samples of lunar soil and rocks back to Earth. (Reuters) The National Health Service declares a "critical incident" after several hospitals in London, including King's College Hospital, say they have cancelled appointments and turned away patients after a cyberattack on their Synnovis IT systems. (AP) Sports 2024 Major League Baseball season Venezuelan infielder Tucupita Marcano is permanently banned from Major League Baseball and Minor League Baseball for betting on Pittsburgh Pirates games while being a member of the team. (CBS Sports)

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(Posted) 2024 Indian general election

Article: 2024 Indian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, the Bharatiya Janata Party led by Narendra Modi loses its parliamentary majority in the Lok Sabha elections, but it still has a path to form a government with its allies in the National Democratic Alliance. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the Indian general election, the Bharatiya Janata Party (leader Narendra Modi pictured) wins the most seats but loses its majority in the lower house of parliament
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the Indian general election, Prime Minister Narendra Modi (pictured) is reelected for a third term with support from coalition parties, after his ruling Bharatiya Janata Party fails to secure a majority on its own.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After the Indian general election, the Bharatiya Janata Party loses 63 Lok Sabha seats and its majority while the opposition Indian National Congress wins 47.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In the Indian general election, the National Democratic Alliance led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi is re-elected with a reduced majority.
News source(s): CNN, BBC, The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Tube of Light (talk · give credit)
• Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

I couldn't figure out how to phrase the blurb in a brief way (I think the fact that the BJP lost its own majority but still has a path to form a government via alliance is significant), someone else will have to do it. Tube·of·Light 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready. Although final results were scheduled for today, it seems counting still hasn't been concluded. We can't post this until the final results are in, and the article has been updated with them. The article also needs to have at least a full paragraph of referenced prose describing the outcome, which is currently missing. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius ^talk 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Some summary results have now started to appear, but the detailed results table is still incomplete. Modest Genius ^talk 12:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  The results table is still incomplete. Is this a problem with updating the article, or is counting still going on? Modest Genius ^talk 17:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

  Counting ended two days ago, I have no idea what is going on with that article (and I also don't have the time to complete that on my own). Tube·of·Light 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait if the whole idea is about a possibly alliance wait Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb pending final results This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb #1 or #2, but agree that the election article is not ready for the feature. The article needs its result table to be filled in, which is not possible until the count is complete. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support AltBlurb 2 Suggested Alt Blurb 2 for clarity, the first Altblurb loses the significance that is referenced ITN about Modi needing coalition support to get re-elected. Article needs work though Schwinnspeed (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Neutral on Alt3 I added it because this parliamentary majority business seems like a numbers game, first and foremost, but don't like the way the article looks. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  It is very much so a numbers game, and you're right to point out the INC gains. But Alt3 feels like we're missing the forest for the trees. The significance here is Modi was reelected, but had to rely on coalition support, because the BJP lost its majority and 63 seats (this is along the lines of every major news headline) I fear the dynamics and implications of the Lok Sabha numbers game will be lost on the majority of people looking at the main page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  I figured since the other three options already made Modi the star, shifting to party politics was the "alt" thing to do. And I did say it lost its majority, which more than implies it's now running a minority government. A lot of things will always be lost on a lot of people from a blurb alone, I think, just naturally. A decent one is barely longer than a headline, if that. But yeah, I don't care if Alt3's chosen or not. Just "putting it out there". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until the Prime Minister is sworn in This may happen as soon as this week as per the news reports. ITN candidate

  The results of the election are WP:ITNR, not the swearing-in. Tube·of·Light 11:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment on alt4 I have written the alt to mention NDA and to make the blurb concise. This could also be used later on when newer ITNs are published. DogeChungus (talk) 14:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt2 as the most neutral, as it explains how Modi is still reelected but needs a coalition as the BJP doesn't have a majority by itself anymore. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt1: confirming the prime ministership is a formality but it hasn't occurred yet, whereas the parliamentary majority has been confirmed. Also support posting now rather than at the swearing in. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT1 per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt2 as Modi's alliance has formally elected him. Like others have said, we do not need to wait for the new term to actually begin (scheduled sometime Sunday night). rawmustard (talk) 10:39, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt2 - by far the clearest and most balanced expression of what's happened in this unquestionably headline-worthy event. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt2 most accurate headline and article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

  Support Alt4 It's the most formal & Least Disrespectful. Maheep Singh24 (talk) 05:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  There's no guideline saying we have to respect politicians, neutrality and respecting politicians' feelings are not the same. The fact that the BJP lost its majority and will need a coalition is important enough to be explicitly mentioned in my opinion. Tube·of·Light 17:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2: Suitable to post this today because of the oath taking ceremony of the prime minister.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E2:200D:C4D0:BC96:A24F:CCED:2CBA (talk)
• Support Alt blurb 4: Should've been posted earlier, but today's the swearing-in so nvm. Alt 4 reads the most appealing for the simplicity wrt international audience's pov. — hako9 (talk) 01:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt blurb 4 Should be posted today, as today is the swearing-in ceremony. Alt 4 is most suitable for above stated reasons. Leoneix _(talk) 16:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt4 It's the most formal & Just go quick it's taking too much time PM has already taken over.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maheep Singh24 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Support Alt4. Govt has already been formed. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Admins willing to post ITN: I think this nomination is really to be posted. Lightoil (talk) 05:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Alt4 – Schwede66 09:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: William Russell

Article: William Russell (English actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s):
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Comment Actor best known as Ian Chesterton in the first couple seasons of Doctor Who, and later came back 57 years after leaving for a cameo that later led to a World Record. But he also appeared in many other tv shows of the era. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support I watched him back in the day. But the name is quite common and so it won't work well at RD. Tsk. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe it might be worth doing like what's been done with ongoing with maybe putting William Russell (Ian Chesterton) or English Actor instead of (Ian Chesterton). TheCorriynial (talk) 20:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  I don't remember him at all, but the parenthetical in his title strongly suggests he's not the William Russell, so no blurb (regardless of whether he was 99). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Because the important thing is to keep the readers in the dark, right? Looking at RD currently, we have a serial killer, a hooker, Obama's mother-in-law, a mercenary colonel and some basketball players. But who's who? You can't tell any of that from just a list of names. It's useless. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is business as usual, you've seen it. For those who want light and timeliness, the important thing is Deaths in 2024. Here, we have space restraints and a quality bar holding things back. "Wiiliam Russell" fits, but an extra "(English actor)", "(Ian Chesterton)" or "(Sir Lancelot)" does not. Barwise, even the William Russell can't shine through multiple unsourced paragraphs. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose His filmography section is entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

*Support. Article looks in decent enough shape, a very long acting career, most notably as a character from the very beginning of a certain long-running TV show. Challenger l (talk) 14:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC) Withdrawn. Challenger l (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: "There's more than one William Russell" doesn't seem a valid reason for not including him. There are plenty of occasions when I've looked at the box and gone "Who's dead?!" only to click on the link and find it's someone else with the same name that I've never heard of. As noted in the box above, the policy is that anyone prominent enough to have an article on Wikipedia is notable enough to be included. The only issue should be the quality of the article. Skteosk (talk) 19:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support - I really don't understand why we wouldn't. He's got a decent article, and that's that. We usually don't include disambiguation brackets in the RD text of people's names - we just pipelink to the correct article, and I don't think that needs to be any different here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Filmography is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Janisa Johnson

Article: Janisa Johnson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): GMA News
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Created by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hariboneagle927 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American volleyball player. Died 25 May but announced publicly on 4 June. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Awards section is unsourced and lead is too short. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Sri Lanka floods

Article: 2024 Sri Lanka floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 16 people have died and more than 12,000 houses have been destroyed by floods in Sri Lanka. (Post)
News source(s): France 24, BBC, AP, EFE, Independent, ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 02:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as the article's extremely short. Wait on notability - it certainly looks like it might meet the scale for a blurb, but it's a developing story. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — Weather events with more deaths and injuries have not been posted. Single country notability. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 06:36, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is not blurbworthy. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Prince Ahmad Shah Khan

Article: Ahmad Shah Khan, Crown Prince of Afghanistan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Persian
Credits:

• Nominated by Mr. Lechkar (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Titular head of the Barakzai dynasty and son of the last king of Afghanistan Mohammad Zahir Shah. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 20:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article has orange tag. Needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is a stub and has orange tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

June 3

Portal:Current events/2024 June 3

June 3, 2024 (2024-06-03) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict, Syrian civil war Three Hezbollah members killed in Israeli airstrikes on Naqoura and Kauthariyet El Rez in southern Lebanon.[(L'Orient le Jour) 16 Iranian-supported militia members killed in an IDF airstrike on a copper plant near Aleppo, Syria.(Al Arabiya) Hezbollah fires drone attacks at IDF center station in the Galilee and in Metula.(Al Arabiya) Sudanese civil war The Rapid Support Forces announce the establishment of a civil administration in the state of South Darfur, which they fully control. (Al Taghyeer) A Syrian man is arrested after throwing a Molotov cocktail at the Israeli embassy in Bucharest, Romania and attempting to self-immolate. (Jerusalem Post) (AP) Business and economy GameStop short squeeze The value of GameStop shares increases by 21% after Keith Gill posts a $116 million investment on Reddit. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Indian heat wave More than 211 people are killed and nearly 25,000 others suffer from heatstroke amid a severe heat wave in India. (The Independent) (Reuters) The Kīlauea volcano in Hawaii, United States, erupts for the first time in nine months. (The New York Times) June 2024 South African storm complex At least 11 people are killed by two tornadoes in the South African province of KwaZulu-Natal. (Daily Maverick) International relations Afghanistan–Kazakhstan relations, International relations with the Taliban Kazakhstan removes the Taliban from its list of terrorist organizations. (RFE/RL) Law and crime Arrest of Imran Khan The Islamabad High Court overturns former Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan's charges of leaking national security secrets. (Reuters) The Chinese Ministry of State Security arrests and charges a couple for allegedly spying for Britain's MI6 agency. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2023–2024 Georgian protests Chairperson of the Parliament of Georgia Shalva Papuashvili signs the foreign agent bill into law amid mass protests and warnings from Western countries against signing the bill. (RFE/RL) 2024 European farmers' protests Spanish and French farmers block roads on highways through the Pyrenees mountains in protest against trade with non-European Union member states. (Reuters) 2024 United Kingdom general election Nigel Farage appoints himself leader of Reform UK and announces that he will run as a candidate for the party in the upcoming UK general election in Clacton. (The New York Times) 2024 Nigerian general strike Major Nigerian unions Nigeria Labour Congress and Trade Union Congress begin an indefinite general strike, causing closures of schools, public offices, and airports, as well as a shutdown of the national power grid amid a cost-of-living crisis and record low minimum wages in Nigeria. (VOA) (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) RD: Jürgen Moltmann

Article: Jürgen Moltmann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Jenhawk777 (talk · give credit)

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One of the leading Christian theologians.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support All sections seem to be well-sourced.Filmman3000 (talk) 04:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: added myself to updaters --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• About 6 {cn} remaining in the prose. Quite a few unsourced bullet-points in Bibliography section after the prose. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:24, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  I added Jen to updaters. I woke up to 3 cn and referenced those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  He wrote - see: German National Library - more than 350 books. There's a bibliography of English titles in the external links. What can we use? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 10:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brother Marquis

Article: Brother Marquis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Filmman3000 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American Rapper Filmman3000 (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support All sections seem to be well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support Lead is a bit too long, but article looks good overall. Three cn tags shouldn't keep the article from getting posted. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support. At first, I was really saddened, mistakenly thinking Biz Markie had died, but then I realized this is a different rapper, but then I discovered Biz Markie died three years ago. Hyperbolick (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose accolades section needs sources. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Five {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@PFHLai, @TDKR Chicago 101 and @PrinceofPunjab I have sourced the accolade section as well as other citations missing. Hope you find it satisfactory. Thank you. Filmman3000 (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 23:47, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brigitte Bierlein

Article: Brigitte Bierlein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AtlanteanAstorian (talk · give credit)

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Former Austrian chancellor Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose There's five cn tags. Otherwise, article looks ready once they're resolved. Support One cn tag shouldn't keep the article from getting posted IMO. I think her chancellor section is expanded to the best it can given her short tenure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

There is work to be done: the cn tags need to be fixed and the content relating to her, albeit short, tenure as Chancellor should be expanded. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support article is indeed ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Colin Gibb

Article: Colin Gibb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by J97736 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Black Lace band singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Large sections of career section are unsourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

June 2

Portal:Current events/2024 June 2

June 2, 2024 (2024-06-02) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign Battle of El Fasher The Ministry of Health of North Darfur reports that there has been 82 deaths and hundreds of injuries due to clashes in El Fasher over the last two days. (Sudan Tribune) UNICEF reports that more than 270,000 people, including more than 130,000 children, are at risk following fighting at the Golo Reservoir in El Fasher, North Darfur, Sudan. (The Print) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russia–NATO relations, Russia–United States relations Russia accuses NATO and the United States of "provoking a new level of tension" after some allies agreed to let Ukraine's military use Western-supplied weapons to strike targets inside Russia. (BBC News) Syrian civil war Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war Israeli airstrikes in the Aleppo region kill 17 Iranian-backed militia members, including two Iranian advisors, and three Hezbollah members. (SOHR) Disasters and accidents 2024 Germany floods A firefighter is killed and thousands of people are evacuated after heavy rains cause flooding in southern Germany, particularly in Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria. (Reuters) (DW) International relations International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war, Israel–Maldives relations The Maldives announces a ban on Israeli passport holders from entering the country. (CNN) Law and crime A mass shooting in Akron, Ohio, kills a 27-year-old man and wounds 24 people. (NPR) Politics and elections 2024 Mexican general election Mexicans elect a new president and legislature, eight governors, the mayor of Mexico City, and around 20,000 other positions in federal and local elections. (CNN) Claudia Sheinbaum wins the presidential election. She will begin her term as Mexico's first female president on October 1. (CBC) 2024 Iranian presidential election Former president of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad announces that he intends to run again following the death of Ebrahim Raisi. Ahmadinejad has been rejected from running in the two previous presidential elections. (ABC News Australia) Science and technology Chinese space program China's Chang'e 6 lunar exploration mission to collect moon rock successfully lands on the far side of the Moon. (Reuters)

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RD: Jeannette Charles

Article: Jeannette Charles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:61BB:8258:CB1:D733 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit) and EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Likely well sourced. 240F:7A:6253:1:61BB:8258:CB1:D733 (talk) 05:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article has an orange tag as filmography is unsourced. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dick Sears (politician)

Article: Dick Sears (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VT Digger
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

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Thriley (talk) 12:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is a stub, needs expansion. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Article is too short and only two sources given, both of which are obituaries. Needs significant expansion on his career in the the Vermont Senate as well as expansion and sourcing on his early life and career. Jmanlucas (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Janis Paige

Article: Janis Paige (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:BE:C460:CCA2:CE59 (talk · give credit)

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American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:BE:C460:CCA2:CE59 (talk) 05:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose some cn tags and one orange tag. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

• Four {cn} tags remaining in the prose. Much tabulated materials under the Television section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 22:31, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Larry Allen

Article: Larry Allen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo sports
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is woefully lacking in citations - nearly the entire playing career section is unsourced. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article is EXTREMELY under sourced. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Carl Cain

Article: Carl Cain (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KCRG
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Adequate length and fully sourced, marking as ready. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 19:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: David Levy (Israeli politician)

Article: David Levy (Israeli politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

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Israeli Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose at this time. The article seems well written but theres a lot of unsourced paragraphs in there @Pharaoh of the Wizards:. If they can be cited, i'm happy to change my !vote. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Mexico election

Articles: 2024 Mexican general election (talk · history · tag) and Claudia Sheinbaum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as president of Mexico. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as the first female president of Mexico.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as the first female and Jewish president of Mexico.
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Important election. Media outlets in Mexico are already projecting that Sheinbaum won, but votes are still being counted. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• The Sheinbaum article is in no fit state to be a bolded article. Three orange tags and five citation needed tags will have to be addressed first. Schwede66 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Wait until it's been officially projected that she has been elected. Support Also worth mentioning in the blurb that she'll be Mexico's first female president. It appears the election has been called for Sheinbaum per NYT. The general election article looks good in terms of sourcing. Not sure if Sheinbaum's article needs to be a target article as well. I recall nominating Guillermo Lasso's election but the 2021 Ecuadorian general election was suggested as the targeted article. Not sure if things changed then. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support for notability but wait until the election results are fully in. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 11:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support but wait until all the votes have been counted. I also support featuring her picture in the "In the news" box, replacing Trump's. 2601:280:5C01:B7E0:9C1D:96E3:DEC9:8217 (talk) 13:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support and wait per others. - Sebbog13 (talk) 14:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support alternative blurb, it's a significant election and her being the first female president is notable. Lunsel (talk) 15:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Altblurb, high profile country election and it's notable shes the first woman in office in Mexico. Sharrdx (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

For example

• Wait Absolutely nothing official yet (silence from the INE is odd and the others haven't conceded). Use the time to find a better photo and fix the orange tags (no {{cn}}s left). Moscow Mule (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support the 2024 Mexican general election for notability. Sheinbaum's article needs to be reworked to be bolded. This is the first time a puppet president has been elected since Emilio Portes Gil, and Mexico is descending into a condition of democratic decay, with Sheinbaum herself promising to overhaul the election and legal systems. Her gender is not relevant enough to be described in the blurb beyond the standard reports. She is also the first person of Jewish origin to be elected, the first atheist, and the first person to indirectly earn a Nobel Prize, although these achievements are not highlighted. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Reminder that Wikipedia is not a forum, nor a soapbox. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• No opinion as to the article quality, but all the major Anglophone news organizations like AP, Reuters, and NYTimes have called the election for Sheinbaum.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 07:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Is it worth also adding mention of the SHH alliance getting a supermajority if it occurs? A political alliance becoming powerful enough to unilaterally amend a national consitution must surely be big news if it happens. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Very significant Arbeiten8 (talk) 10:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Results and reaction sections would benefit from some expansion, they are really short. --Tone 13:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Notability is significant enough that the election at least needs to be here, and the content is filling in. We can potentially wait to bold Sheinbaum until more is filled in re: her platform and campaign. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Now it's cleaned up a bit more -- both articles expanded, Sheinbaum's tags taken care of, over 95% reporting and official sources announcing her the winner of the quick count -- so it feels appropriate to tag both articles quality-wise. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:10, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Very notable and significant election, and the first female Mexican president. As others have said due to the problems with the Sheinbaum article I would wait to bold it for now. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• No Identity Politics, please (we're universal). Some things about people are just clear by their names and photos. The important thing is another election was won. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  The reason we mention her being female is because she is the first in Mexico's history. Same way we would use a first male head of state. Sharrdx (talk) 00:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  I get how "firsts" work, I just think they're overplayed. And no, it doesn't work for (most kinds of) men. The last "real" state to get its first male leader was South Sudan, and we didn't summarize, picture, link, embolden or mention the man (just the system). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:17, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  I reckon it's most significant that she is an engineer and climate scientist. Politically, she seems very much the protegé of the incumbent Obrador. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  South Sudan's first male leader was its first (independent) leader period. And that is the case for most if not all of the world. If after decades if not centuries of female leaders, a male took office, we would mention his status as the first male to hold the office just the same. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, in theory, I hear you. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support as election article is good to go. I'd wait to bold Sheinbaum however, as there's multiple orange tags. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Sheinbaum's article does not need to be bolded, as long as it is bolded a good article like the one on the elections. Let's wait for 100% of the vote count, but the election article is practically ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt3; received less attention then her being a her, but still received significant attention and worth mentioning. BilledMammal (talk) 01:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Does it still count if she tells you she was raised by atheists, as an atheist, and "never belonged to the Jewish community"? InedibleHulk (talk) 01:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes; it’s an ethnicity. It’s like saying "first Hispanic president". BilledMammal (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  I suppose that's technically true, and there's also a political element. But I don't think I'm the only one who infers the religious and cultural parts first when reading "Jewish president". If she's not politically Jewish and some point must be made about something decided before her parents were born, I suggest adding "ethnically" before "Jewish"; I still won't support it, but it'd make more sense. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:13, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  From The New York Times, she has downplayed her ties to Judaism, her origins have not gone entirely unnoticed, revealing currents of xenophobia and antisemitism persisting beneath the surface in Mexican politics.[2] —Bagumba (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Four citation needed tags. 2024 Mexican general election § Results needs at least some analysis and perspective of the results. (The non-presidential results are still outstanding, though I suppose that part is not being blurbed.)—Bagumba (talk) 05:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Since resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Needs work The lead says that there were hundreds of seats being contested for the Chamber of Deputies and Senate. There's a confusing issue about re-election which I don't quite follow. And no results for these elections are reported. Nada. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

"Re-election": confusing and wrong; gone now. "Legislature": still true. Moscow Mule (talk) 07:55, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The 2022 blurb on Giorgia Meloni becoming Italy's PM didn't mention that she was also the first woman.—Bagumba (talk) 09:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Cleaned up Sheinbaum's last few tags. Preference for alt or alt3. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 16:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looking good on my end. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support main blurb. Oppose alt blurbs; don't add personal bio bits. Support removing superfluous "as"; keep it simple: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected president of Mexico. —  AjaxSmack  21:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Not that there's "anything wrong with" President of the United Mexican States, of course, but yes, Support Seven Words. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt Blurb Being the first female is what makes it notable, and is in line with how WP:RS are referencing this event. However if we didn't call this out previously for the Italian election result as @Bagumba noted above, then the same should apply here. Schwinnspeed (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Fair enough on the second point, matter of perspective, but every general election is automatically notable on this site and every notable election article is presumed fit to post in bold letters by these local pagemasters (unless the people choose otherwise). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  Agree and have revised my vote after taking a closer look at some of the previous comments. I recognize all general elections are notable per WP:ITNELECTIONS and her being a female should not be the basis for posting. I still maintain that Mexico voting in their first female president is pretty significant, but I will reserve the subjectivity for elsewhere. Cheers to the ITNocracy. Schwinnspeed (talk) 01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  Cheers. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb - ITN/R. Also important to note the election of the first female Mexican president as such.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:29, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. The legislative results don't appear to be in yet, and I've expanded the sections on that a bit. Otherwise I think all. Issues were dealt with. I've Stuck with a simple blurb (ALT0) without editorialising about first woman or first Jewish person or anything, as is standard practice for elections.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

  I still think "as the" overcomplicates things, but yeah, better some wordiness than a hot-button issue. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Burnside

Article: John Burnside (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Drchriswilliams (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish award-winning writer Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Mostly Support The ending kind of trails off into scattered short sentences, each beginning (all somewhat chanting) "Burnside", but I've never seen that stop something before and can be dealt with in its own good time, probably; he was 69. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Orange-tagged sections for sourcing.—Bagumba (talk) 05:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I have now finished going through those two sections of awards and publications and have checked them and individually referenced them, so have now removed those tags. Drchriswilliams (talk) 08:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:15, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rob Burrow

Article: Rob Burrow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by AirshipJungleman29 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AutisticAndrew (talk · give credit) and Black Kite (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support No problems, well sourced. Black Kite (talk) 17:51, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Fully cited, well written and ready to go for this rugby league great. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 18:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 20:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  And when I tag the date of birth being unreferenced, J Mo 101 keeps reverting that edit. Without an inline citation for it, I won't promote it. Schwede66 21:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Place of birth is also unsourced. --PFHLai (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Ref added. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Posted – Schwede66 01:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Icelandic presidential election

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2024 Icelandic presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Halla Tómasdóttir (pictured) is elected president of Iceland. (Post)
News source(s): RUV
Credits:

• Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

BastianMAT (talk)

• Oppose on quality. ITN/R is given, so I support this in principle, but Halla's article is still pretty much a stub, and the election article still lacks both context and aftermath. Once it all is ready, I'm more than happy to support it. CDE34RFV (talk) 09:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
  • We might as well close this now. Even though we at least posted Guðni winning in 2016, there's no progress in both Halla's article as well as the election article itself. And since we've got the results from more significant elections in Mexico and India, coupled with the European Parliament this weekend, the election in Iceland really seems like a sideshow, further exacerbated by the fact that this rather insignificant election has taken place over half a week ago. CDE34RFV (talk) 17:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Halla's article is extremely short and election article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per PrinceofPunjab. One target's a stub and the other is almost bare of prose. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment -- this is not ITNR, no? Not head of the executive. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose -- since it's not ITNR and the President of Iceland has no actual power, I oppose posting this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 09:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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Battle of El Fasher

Article: Battle of El Fasher (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Clashes in Al-Fashir kill over 100 people and injure more than a hundred, while a hospital is subsequently bombed by the Sudanese Armed Forces in Kutum as a result of the battle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Clashes in Al-Fashir, Sudan, kill over 100 people and injure more than a hundred, while a hospital is subsequently bombed by the Sudanese Armed Forces in Kutum as a result of the battle.
News source(s): (Sudan Tribune) (Dabanga Sudan) (Sudan Tribune) (Channel 4) (BBC)
Credits:

• Nominated by Vamos Palmeiras (talk · give credit)

Article updated

(talk) 02:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Added altblurb mentioning the country. Most readers wouldn't know what country this was relevant to if the original blurb were used. Tube·of·Light 05:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Support Event is notable and has enough info and sources. NuestroBrasil (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, already covered by ongoing Sudanese civil war and its timeline. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support, as it seems quite a notable moment in the ongoing civil war as a whole. I'll note, though, that the article I've just cited should be added to the blurb for further clarity, if we do publish it... Oltrepier (talk) 14:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support we posted massacres in Israel before (i think at least) so why not Sudan? Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  You're probably thinking of the October 7 one, which came right before the war (so not yet "covered by ongoing"). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  They probably think that one. Also not to forget that we also nominated and posted the Geneina massacre. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  If I recall, the deaths in that one were based on more than the say-so of a radio caller, as the Kutum Hospital airstrike (currently) is. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  True. The Geneina massacre was caused by the Battle of Geneina itself and killed between 10 to 20,000 people. Not to forget that the blurb about El Fasher and the full nomination is talking about the ongoing offensive on the city and how it is affecting thousands of people. Furtherly, I think if this nomination does in fact get posted that we should expand the Kutum Hospital airstrike article. But for now let's keep it the way it currently is. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  The part about the recent offensive talks about how it killed eleven people and wounded 42. I'm not seeing enough updated detail on these thousands of others (or anything at all about 2024 in the lead). Of course, there remain thousands who have been and are affected in myriad ways this whole time (including in El Fasher), but that much remains conveyed by the Ongoing item, I think. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Battle is covered by ongoing, and the sourcing for the hospital airstrike is shaky anyways. The article is also in no shape to post. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Chang'e 6 landing

Article: Chang'e 6 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The CNSA Chang'e 6 sample return mission touches down on the far side of the Moon. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, Reuters, News, Xinhua
Credits:

• Nominated by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
• Created by Scruce (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit), Randy Kryn (talk · give credit) and Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article mentions landing but needs work. Prior nomination of Chang'e 6 to ITN consensus was to wait until landing. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability but article needs some work. Mission profile section is a bit small and needs to be expanded. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability Obviously, the article needs some work which would help explain this event a bit more. Overall a great event to display on 'In the news'. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 02:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support I was wondering how they knew that the landing was successful and the article explains that the Queqiao-2 relay satellite has been pre-positioned to maintain comms. So, the article is quite informative and and useful. As it's ITN/R, we don't need notability votes. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support though would like to see more expansion of the article to match what we usually see on NASA or ESA missions. There was general consensus when the launch was nominated to wait until it reached the moon (and potentially on a successful return); that's this point. --Masem (t) 14:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose for now The “Overview” section doesn’t have enough references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Kudos to Stephen for noticing that the mission has moved on and that, with sampling completed, the ascender stage has already taken off. The effect was that we only reported the landing for just five minutes but now we're up-to-date.
  There's an interesting detail that the sample hole was left in the shape of the character zhong (中) and so China has engraved its initial on the surface of the Moon. As this pictogram is based on a flagpole, this is literally symbolic. We should see if there's a free picture of this or other shots from the surface. Here's a video to start...
  Andrew🐉(talk) 06:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

June 1

Portal:Current events/2024 June 1

June 1, 2024 (2024-06-01) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2024 Iran–Israel conflict, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Five people and a Hezbollah militant killed and five injured in IDF strikes on Aadloun and Ain Qana in southern Lebanon.(L'Orient le Jour) Sudanese civil war Darfur campaign Battle of El Fasher Kutum Hospital airstrike The Sudanese Armed Forces bomb a hospital in Kutum, Sudan, injuring dozens of people. (Al Mayadeen) Around eleven civilians are killed and 42 others are injured in large clashes between the Rapid Support Forces, the Sudanese Armed Forces, and various rebel militia groups in El Fasher, Sudan. (Sudan Tribune) Sudan’s Ambassador to Russia confirms willingness of his country to allow construction of a Russian naval base on the Red Sea. (Sudan Tribune) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches missile and drone strikes across Ukraine, injuring at least four people and damaging critical infrastructure, including energy facilities. Ukraine says that it shot down 35 of 53 missiles and 46 of 47 drones. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A boat carrying 25 people capsizes in eastern Afghanistan, killing 20 of them. (AP) 2024 Indian heat wave At least 33 Indian election polling staff die from heatstroke in a heatwave across the country. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Capital punishment in Yemen A court run by the Houthis in Yemen sentences 44 people to death on charges of collaborating with the Saudi coalition. (ABC News) Vallow–Daybell doomsday murders A jury in Idaho, United States, sentences Chad Daybell to death for the murders of his ex-wife and two of his wife's children. (AP) Ticketmaster and parent company Live Nation submit an SEC filing acknowledging a data breach of customer information potentially affecting 560 million users. Banco Santander and cloud provider Snowflake Inc. are also believed to have been affected by the same data breach. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Icelandic presidential election Icelanders vote for the President of Iceland. Incumbent president Guðni Th. Jóhannesson had previously announced that he would not be seeking a third term. (Al Jazeera) Halla Tómasdóttir is elected as the President of Iceland with the plurality of the votes at 34.2%. Her opposition Katrín Jakobsdóttir concedes the election with 25.2%. (DW) 2024 Indian general election The final phase of the general election in India is held, with the ruling National Democratic Alliance projected to win a majority. Results will be announced on June 4. (Reuters) Sports 2023–24 UEFA Champions League In association football, Real Madrid win a record 15th Champions League title after defeating Borussia Dortmund 2–0 in the final at Wembley Stadium in London, England. (CNN)

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RD: Philippe Leroy

Article: Philippe Leroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rai News (Italian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French actor. May require additional references for this go through. – robertsky (talk) 04:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Robertsky I'll try to go through and clean up the page as soon as possible. Oltrepier (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. – robertsky (talk) 08:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for the time being as filmography is unsourced. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Artur Chilingarov

Article: Artur Chilingarov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Russian polar scientist and member of parliament.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose awards section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 02:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) UEFA Champions League

Articles: 2024 UEFA Champions League final (talk · history · tag) and 2024 UEFA Women's Champions League final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Real Madrid win the 2024 UEFA Champions League for the 15th time after defeating Borussia Dortmund in the final (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Real Madrid win the UEFA Champions League, defeating Borussia Dortmund in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Real Madrid defeat Borussia Dortmund in the UEFA Champions League final (man of the match Dani Carvajal pictured).
Alternative blurb III: ​ In association football, Barcelona win the women's Champions League (player of the match Aitana Bonmatí pictured) and Real Madrid win the men's Champions League.
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kingsif (talk · give credit) and Justificate (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Heatrave (talk) 20:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment – Added an ALT blurb based on 2023's blurb. SounderBruce 21:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb but I think Madrid extending their record is worth mentioning as well Jbvann05 21:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comments 1. This is ITN/R, 2. Would it be possible to propose a combined altblurb that also mentions that women's Champions League? That final was on 25 May so still within the ITN window (Barcelona beat Lyon). Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support once match summary is added Article just needs a match summary and post-match section to be added. I'd support the Women's CL final joining this if a summary were added there as well. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb I think it would look better for altblurb 3 if Carvajal was featured instead (more recent event + more famous), but altblurb 3 is good too Sharrdx (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Alt3 when ready women's' final looks ready but there is a rather short small summary on Men's final. When a longer summary is added, I will support it. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 01:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Aitana Bonmatí

• Support alt3 (Updated nom re. ITN/R) – there's now a match summary at the Women's final article. There's also this image of Bonmatí there that can be used - probably start by posting one of Carvajal, but it's typical to rotate images after a while and it's a great photo, so can add the Bonmatí one to MP protection. Kingsif (talk) 00:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC) – Marked as ready with the update to the men's final article. Kingsif (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support though I think we need to point out a minor technicality that may need to be discussed later. The UWCL isn't listed on WP:ITN/R so we may need to discuss that for future years in case they stop coinciding to do a dual nom. That being said, I support this nom but I do think ALT3 has a bit too much WP:OLINK and I also think we should only use the official names. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - article is not MOS:ACCESS compliant at the moment, as it has tables within a table. I'm not sure why this happens every single year...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• That's no longer an issue on either final article. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. This is how sport articles should look like. Women's final is not ITNR but the article is good and a combined blurb is a good way to have both posted. --Tone 10:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment there is a grammatical error. The links should be "wins" instead of "win" Jiaminglimjm (talk) 14:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• No, this is an WP:ENGVAR issue, win is correct in British/European English. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Colonel Dyck

Article: Lionel Dyck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): iHarare.com
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Rhodesian and Zimbabwean Army soldier and mercenary group leader. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 02:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support posting as Colonel Dyck which has a nice ring to it. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support using the common name. Aside from it being good enough for these past 34 months of his life, rank is among the things we can't take with us. There's an unfilled burial place field in the infobox, but I've never seen that stop anything before. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not bitter, but this nicknaming business may set a new Slippery Slope Standard. Could be a lot of weird ones slipping through (especially with musicians, criminals and wrestlers) and a lot of extra arguments about which nicknames are the weird ones. Hopefully I'm wrong! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

  The precidence has already been set @InedibleHulk: as Kamala ran under his wrestling name and we ran Barry Chuckle under his stage name. I think as long as the nicknames are cited and they are used to commonly name someone, then I see no reason why we can't. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 08:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Those are common names, stage names and ring names, not nicknames. The article titles follow suit. What happened here would have been akin to posting Kamala as The Ugandan Giant. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  A-ha. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Boeing Starliner

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Article: Boeing Starliner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing Starliner launches on June 1st, 2024. (Post)
News source(s): CNBC Washington Post CBC CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by 48JCL (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: New to this process— may be short, but if someone could expand this, that would be great. 48JCL^TALK 16:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcome here and thanks! I'm thinking a blurb that mentions it being a spacecraft used to resupply the ISS could be more informative maybe? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Given the delay, wait and see if it's launched tomorrow. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Whelp, launch got delayed again. Natg 19 (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Wtf is happening at Boeing. How can it get this bad? This is like the 11th delay or something, it was originally scheduled for launch in 2017. What is going on PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. Since the launch was sadly delayed, on procedural grounds I think this has to be closed at this time. No opposition to it being renominated at a later date when it eventually does get off the ground. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

@The C of E added alt version 48JCL^TALK 16:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, according to news reports it looks like they are going to try again in 24 hours or so. So on that basis I would say wait until we know more. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Great, thanks. 48JCL^TALK 17:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait and I suggest closing this for now. Starliner has been repeatedly delayed. Let's wait until it actually launches. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment. Sorry for the early ITN, the reason was because I was watching it live and the timer said 4 minutes until launch so I thought it would be appropriate for ITN. 48JCLTALK 19:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem, welcome to ITN! Johndavies837 (talk) 21:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment Tomorrow's launch attempt has been canceled as well. No launch until at least June 5 so there's no point in keeping this open. (Source) Johndavies837 (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2024 South African general election

Article: 2024 South African general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The African National Congress (ANC) loses their 30-year majority in South Africa's parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The African National Congress (ANC) loses their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid in South Africa's parliamentary election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The African National Congress (ANC) wins South Africa's parliamentary election but lose their 30 year majority that they had held since the end of apartheid.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In South Africa's parliamentary election, the African National Congress (ANC) wins a plurality of the vote, but fails to achieve an outright majority for the first time since the end of apartheid.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In South Africa's parliamentary election, the African National Congress wins the most seats, but loses its overall majority.
News source(s): (AP) (BBC)
Credits:

• Nominated by CastleFort1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: In addition in highlighting the ANC losing its majority, the uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK), led by former president Jacob Zuma, has also seen a rise in the polls. CastleFort1 (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support when ready: Although we're still waiting for the official results to get published, and the article needs to be updated with new information, I think there's no doubt about the ANC's loss of parliamentary majority being by far the biggest takeaway from this election, as well as a turning point in the modern history of South Africa. Oltrepier (talk) 11:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait - Until official results and the composition of the National Assembly is finalised. However, last general election, did we wait to post when the president is actually elected by parliament or did we post the NA results? I would be in favour of posting both as this is the most significant election in South Africa since 1994, and basically the only election where one party hasn't been dominant since 1948. This is a big moment in South African history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment we need to phrase this the way we always phrase election results, to avoid seeming partisan. The blurbs above, which phrase it as The ANC loses... are not accurate - the ANC still won the election, only that they're short of a majority.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

  I concur with this. After the number of seats are released, I will make a second alternate blurb to reflect it. It'll say that the ANC won the most in South Africa's election, but it will mention them losing their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid. CastleFort1 (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

  We could also write that the ANC won the plurality of votes but failed to get a majority. That could make it less ambiguous for readers. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle BUT wait until the result is officially announced. I think the proposed wording is accurate but I do agree with the above that it should be something like ALT2 that I've just added as a possibility. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT2 once results are released, but it should be edited for grammar to "The African National Congress (ANC) wins South Africa's parliamentary election but loses its 30 year majority that it has held since the end of apartheid." PtolemyXV (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. A significant amount of unsourced statements and indeed a whole paragraph ("Preliminary candidate lists"). Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt1, oppose Alt2 Alt1 best captures the significance of this electoral event for me. In principle I strongly oppose saying that a party that gets a plurality of seats "won an election" in ITN for parliamentary elections because it implies to anyone unfamiliar that that party will end up in power even if it isn't actually the case (e.g. Spain and Poland, where the plurality party failed to get into or lost power), although in this case it's moot because the ANC is expected to stay in power albeit while being forced to ally with another party. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on importance, but wait until results are announced and information in the article is improved. I have proposed Alt3, which addresses the fact ANC wins a plurality, but not a majority. I used outright to indicate/clarify there is still room for them form a ruling coalition, and I see it being used in various sources. NPR, AlJazeera, Bloomberg via YahooNews. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Alt3 but there are some paragraphs ends without any footnotes. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 02:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt2 now that the results are fully in I feel that this is the best description of the situation. Scu ba (talk) 17:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality still a lot of unsourced statements.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support ALT2, oppose on quality per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• AAIOUIUA An acronym is only useful if used afterward. If we're posting this, post it without the "(ANC)" (or use it afterward). Please and thank you. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support when ready: It should definitely get posted once all parts of the article are finished and have sources. Also, I Support Alt3. Opm581 (talk) 10:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
• Conditional support. The article seems to be in good shape, the only issues I spotted were a) some provinces have separate results tables while others don't; and b) the results map in the infobox needs updating. It would be simpler to just remove those until they're ready. If that's done, I support. At the risk of proliferating the blurb choice, I've adjusted alt3 to produce alt4, which I think is more neutral and uses less jargon. Modest Genius ^talk 13:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Issue b) has been fixed. Modest Genius ^talk 17:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Everything looks good to me, the regional elections could be spun off into a "2024 South African regional elections" article or something adjacent to that since they take up quite a bit of space but regardless it's quite thorough. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is good now as it is a historic election result. Shadow4dark (talk) 07:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support now that it's in better shape; I like Alts 2, 3, and 4 for clarity, but Alt2 could use a copy edit for verb agreement: "The ANC wins [the election] but loses [their majority]" (instead of "wins but lose")~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 20:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Note: marking ready as it seems there is consensus to post. Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 22:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:04, 5 June 2024 (UTC)