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September 7

Portal:Current events/2018 September 7

September 7, 2018 (2018-09-07) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War The presidents of Russia and Iran disagree with the Turkish president's proposal for a ceasefire in Idlib after meeting in Tehran, because it would not include the Islamist militants those nations aim to defeat. (Reuters) Business and economy Tesla stock drops 9% the day after CEO Elon Musk was seen drinking whiskey and smoking cannabis in California while discussing space colonization, life after the technological singularity and whether reality is a simulation on The Joe Rogan Experience, and two executives resign. (AP) (Space.com) Starbucks opens its first shop in Italy, in the city of Milan. The 25,000 square-foot Reserve Roastery creates 300 jobs. (Fortune via Yahoo!) Disasters and accidents 2018 Hokkaido Eastern Iburi earthquake Energy specialists and executives say a power outage from the earthquake could have been lessened if Hokkaido Electric did not rely so exclusively on the Tomato-Atsuma coal plant. The company has restored electricity to just over half of its affected customers. (Reuters) Passengers who were planning on visiting Bermuda are forced to change plans and go to Maine and Canada thanks to a threat of safety posed by Hurricane Florence. (CBS) International relations War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis makes an unannounced visit to Afghanistan, to attempt to discuss peace with the Taliban, which has declined such talks with the Afghan government. (UPI) 2015–2018 Iraqi protests Protesters storm the Iranian consulate in Basra, in protest of corruption and misrule by Iraq's political elite, damaging the consulate's offices and shouting anti-Iranian slogans while others briefly take workers hostage at a nearby oilfield. (Reuters) (Ynet News) Law and crime The Ministry of Justice of the United Kingdom announces that divorce laws in England and Wales will be altered to allow for "no fault" divorces. (BBC) Politics and elections 2018 Malagasy presidential election Madagascar President Hery Rajaonarimampianina resigns from office in order to contest the November presidential election, as required by the Constitution. Senate president Riko Rakotovao becomes interim President of Madagascar until the January 2019 inauguration of a new president. (News24) (The East African) Mueller special counsel investigation George Papadopoulos, former 2016 presidential campaign aide to Donald Trump, receives a prison sentence of 14 days for lying to investigators regarding his ties to Russian contacts. He also receives a fine, probation and a community service obligation. (CNN)

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Brazil presidential frontrunner stabbed, is in serious condition

Article: Jair Bolsonaro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jair Bolsonaro (pictured), the frontrunner is the upcoming Brazilian presidential election, is stabbed during a campaign rally and is in serious condition (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Openlydialectic (talk · give credit)

Comment. The ref doesn't say critical. It say serious. Moriori (talk) 00:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Corrected Openlydialectic (talk) 00:39, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Only a candidate, not actually the president and he did not actually die. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:53, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Still, Brazil is a large (210 million, 5h largest country in the world) and stable (compared to most others) country so that an attempt on the frontrunner is a notable event even if he didn't die. Think about whether we would have made an ITN note if Trump had been stabbed and in serious condition during his electoral campaign. Openlydialectic (talk) 01:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Doesn't reach the level of significance needed for ITN material. –Ammarpad (talk) 03:08, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per Openlydialectic's response to AO. Banedon (talk) 03:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Good analogy from Openlydialectic. An attempted assassination on a large political figure fits the bill for "in the news", whether they die or not. Spengouli (talk) 04:26, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Not everyday a presidential candidate of a major country let alone the front-runner (most likely to be president) is stabbed and is in critical condition. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support For reasons similar to those expressed by Openlydialectic, Banedon, Spengouli and TDKR Chicago 101. If a similar incident happened to Trump or Clinton in 2016 this would very likely be posted, so it should follow that this story about Bolsonaro should be posted as well. Chrisclear (talk) 06:46, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - I have to agree with the Support-assessment. Seems ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 07:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

September 6

Portal:Current events/2018 September 6

September 6, 2018 (2018-09-06) (Thursday) Business and economy Approximately two million Ford F150 trucks are recalled due to a manufacturing error which can cause the seat belt pretensioner to ignite the vehicle. (NPR) Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion Kinder Morgan hints at a potential offloading of Canada assets following sales of the Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion project to the Canadian government. (Vancouver Sun) (Toronto Star) Disasters and accidents 2018 Hokkaido Eastern Iburi earthquake A magnitude 6.7 earthquake strikes the island of Hokkaido in Japan, killing 16 people, injuring 120 more and leaving 26 missing. (BBC) Earthquakes in 2018 A magnitude 7.8 earthquake occurs off the coast of Fiji. The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center says no tsunami is expected due to its depth. (BNO News) European migrant crisis Spanish rescuers find five dead migrants and 53 survivors in a boat partially sunk in waters east of the Strait of Gibraltar. (ABC News) 2018 North Korean floods Heavy floods in North Korea leave at least 76 dead and 75 missing. (Reuters) International relations North Korea–South Korea relations, 2017–18 North Korea crisis North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and South Korea president Moon Jae-in agree to hold a third summit between September 18 and September 20 in Pyongyang. (NBC News) Kim gives a timeline for denuclearization, aiming for completion by the end of U.S. President Donald Trump's first term. (Reuters) Eritrea–Ethiopia relations Ethiopia reopens its embassy in the Eritrean capital Asmara. After the 1998-2018 Eritrean–Ethiopian War, both countries signed a peace accord in July 2018. Also in July, Eritrea reopened its embassy in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime LGBT rights in India The Supreme Court of India strikes down Article 377, a colonial-era law which criminalized homosexuality, declaring it unconstitutional. (BBC) Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal, 2018 Amesbury poisonings Ben Wallace, British Security Minister, says in an interview that Russian President Vladimir Putin bears the responsibility for multiple Novichok poisonings in the U.K., in which British citizens were harmed and killed. (BBC) 6 September 2018 Cincinnati shooting A gunman kills three people and injures two others at the Fifth Third Bank headquarters in Cincinnati, United States, before police fatally shoot him. (Fox News) Sony Pictures hack, WannaCry ransomware attack The Justice Department unseals charges made in June against an alleged hacker for the North Korean government in connection with a series of cyber attacks, including the 2014 assaults on Sony Pictures. The Federal Bureau of Investigation accuses Park Jin Hyok of conspiring the hack on behalf of Reconnaissance General Bureau, the country's intelligence agency, and conspiring to commit wire fraud. (The Washington Post) Nisour Square massacre The second trial of U.S. citizen Nicholas Slatten, the former Blackwater (now Academi) employee who was found guilty in 2013 of first-degree murder in connection to the killing in 2007 of fourteen unarmed civilians on Baghdad's Nisour Square and sentenced to life in prison, ends in a mistrial. (NPR) Trump administration family separation policy The Trump administration proposes regulatory changes which would allow the children of illegal immigrants to be imprisoned for more than 20 days. (NPR) Mexican Drug War Mexican officials report the discovery of the remains of at least 166 people in a mass grave in Veracruz. (BBC) Politics and elections Ñuble becomes the 16th region of Chile after new administrative divisions in Chile come into effect. (Biobío) Jair Bolsonaro presidential campaign, 2018 Brazilian presidential candidate Jair Bolsonaro is stabbed in the abdomen and seriously injured at a campaign rally. He is expected to be in intensive care for at least seven days. Police arrest a 40-year-old man they say appears mentally disturbed. (AP) Science and technology Discoveries of exoplanets Wolf 503b, a super-Earth exoplanet twice the size of Earth, is discovered orbiting Wolf 503 145 light years away by American, German, and Canadian researchers via the NASA Kepler Space Telescope. (Fox News) (Astrobio)

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RD: Alan Oakman

Article: Alan Oakman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English cricketer, I have tidied up the article a little. Seems OK, if a little on the short side - Dumelow (talk) 07:18, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Burt Reynolds

Article: Burt Reynolds (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Strikerforce (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Strikerforce^Talk 19:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose with regret. Sad passing but poor article. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - I'm only seeing one {{cn}} tag. The info should be readily sourceable and this one minor blemish should not be a barrier to posting. Mjroots (talk) 19:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Unfortunately the Citation needed is for the Accolades section which is largely unreferenced. If that is referenced, I would change to support. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

@Capitalistroadster: I have added sources where I could find them and removed the entries I didn't find any WP:RELIABLE sources for. TompaDompa (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support I'm just off on a 24-hr bootlegging run, but this should be up to shape when I get back. 10-4. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Like Mjroots (talk) 19:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support I think sufficient efforts have been made to improve the article since this morning before his death. †dismas†|^(talk) 19:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - improved. ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 22:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Now appears to be fully referenced. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 23:11, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Decriminalization of homosexuality in India

Articles: Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India (talk · history · tag) and Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a historic verdict, India's Supreme Court ruled that gay sex is no longer a criminal offence in the country. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, thereby decriminalizing homosexuality.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, thereby decriminalizing consensual gay sex.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In a landmark judgement, the Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, decriminalizing consensual gay sex.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In a landmark judgement, the Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, making all consensual sexual acts legal.
Alternative blurb V: ​ The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, decriminalizing gay and other consensual sex acts.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ The Supreme Court of India rules unconstitutional portions of the colonial-era Section 377, decriminalizing consensual sex acts including gay sex.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Overturns a 2013 judgement that upheld a colonial-era law in the world's second highest population. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:55, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Strongest possible support This ruling is perhaps the most important LGBT rights ruling in the entire history of the world as it decriminalizes homosexuality for 18% of the world's LGBT population in the second largest country on earth population-wise. It repeals a colonial-era law imposed by the British and sets in motion greater equality in India for rulings to come. This will almost certainly set international precedent for more countries to decriminalize homosexuality.

• Notes: I added three more blurbs to emphasize the decolonization aspect of this and many advocates across India and beyond are emphasizing this, too. Potentially we could link to LGBT rights in India, Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code and/or the one on the ruling as it is already linked. The articles aren't ready yet. I changed the heading from "Recognition of same-sex unions in India" to "Decriminalization of homosexuality in India" as I don't think this involves relationship recognition, though I could be wrong. Note: This is my first time tinkering with a blurb for ITNR, so there may be procedures or customs that I am not fully aware of, but I really wanted to contribute on this one as it is important to mention that it was a colonial-era law imposed by the British. Thanks, -TenorTwelve (talk) 07:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support, especially the alternate blurb Major human rights development affecting the world's largest democracy and second-most populous nation. We posted same-sex marriage being legalised via a court ruling in the U.S. so should be fairly uncontroversial to post this. Especially relevant for the English Wikipedia given our high readership in India. Support mentioning the fact the law dates from Victorian colonial times. AusLondonder (talk) 07:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support with second blurb IV which also sounds better, once the articles have been updated. As pointed out above, this is in line with other such ITN items. Regards SoWhy 07:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I updated the case article. Regards SoWhy 07:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• So are we bolding the Section 377 article or the case article? I am missing somewhat a more substantial update in either. This should be addressed first. --Tone 08:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I'd bold the case article, that was the decision that is in the news. I also added more to the case article, I hope it's enough, I really have no knowledge of the subject. Regards SoWhy 09:20, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Added ALT2 blurb. starship.paint ~ KO 09:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Question what's the intended bold article? It's in the news today, when you decide what article to feature I'll do my small part to check refs and grammar. 18% of the worlds LGBT population, or total population (is there a difference in dispersal?) - either way we really need to stop using Indias massive population as an excuse to post stories. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:58, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support alternative blurb Certainly in the news today, support bolding Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India since the court's final decision is the reason this is in the news. Article quality also seems to be fine. Oppose ALT2 blurb, given that Section 377 criminalizes all sexual acts "against the order of nature", not just gay sex. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 10:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for now, I tagged the "Trial" section for OR because it mostly relies on supreme court docs which don't support the claims (like "cold storage"). Needs to be fixed. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose for the minute because of the cleanup tags; will revisit if the article is cleaned up. As for the relevance to India, I think it's because it's some way behind the Western world in decriminalising homosexuality. It is a leading item on BBC News right now, so I think it does have global relevance. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:15, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Questions 1)Was the government activity pursuing enforcement of this law prior to the ruling? and 2) Does the persecution of the population stop with this ruling? This may make me appear naive, but it seems from the media[2] that much law and order in India is of the "extrajudicial" kind, and I don't imagine there are there are too many that feel it's safe yet to come out. We should not post the 158th country to legalize homosexuality on the basis of it being a big country unless there are concrete impacts to that population. ghost 11:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Persecution isn't something that is stopped by a singular event, but this ruling is major. You can argue the same for literally any country - it's not like the US or Australian govts were actively hunting homosexuals before. Juxlos (talk) 11:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• You seem to be suggesting this India's Lawrence v. Texas; in that case I'm an Oppose. In that case, enforcement had substantially subsided by the time of the ruling and it was largely (not entirely) symbolically. It was not posted, but then in predated ITN. In citing US and Australia, I think you're conflating this with gay marriage, the legalization of which impacted 100% of the LGBT community in the US. Obergefell himself was legally married, but was impacted by a regional prohibition on gay marriage. ghost 12:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• The ruling isn’t simply symbolic, the Indian Supreme Court also made discrimination against homosexuals in any field illegal.[3] Extrajudicial policing, if any, would be considered a criminal act. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 12:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Strong support once fixed. This absolutely needs to be in ITN - hell, Australia with 2% the population was posted - but I agree, article needs a bit more cleanup. Juxlos (talk) 11:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Both the BBC and NYtimes have a statement regarding what the Court said that is not reflected in the article: "The court has now ruled discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is a fundamental violation of rights." (BBC); "The court said that gay people were now entitled to all constitutional protections under Indian law and that any discrimination based on sexuality would be illegal." (NYTimes). This to me is much more significant overall than just overturning 377, if it means that if the court's decision mandates the country to no longer discriminates on sexual orientation - a more impressive step in gay rights than just decriminalizing gay sex. However I have no idea if that is the actual official part of the Court's decision, or part of the language leading up to the formal declaration of what the decision is (having read enough US SCOTUS cases, there's room for lots of this rhetoric of what should be the case, but outside of the Court's pervue to actually mandate). There's definitely something ITN-worthy regardless, but I want to make sure the more important factor is the one being present if this truly is the case. --Masem (t) 12:07, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• The entire text of the judgement, present here, does mention this. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • A scan of the conclusions sections (where the actual, actionable elements appear to be) show no concrete statement by the court that legally requires India to not discriminate on sexual orientation (but like with other case law decisions, will make challenging perceived discriminatoin easier since the Court said it should not happen). --Masem (t) 13:37, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Strong Support The news is getting massive media coverage all across the world and the judgment is also historic. Of the blurbs mentioned above, I'd support alternative blurb to be posted, but still I'd say that if strikes down could be replaced with some more meaningful word, than it'd be great.Amir (talk) 13:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support This is quite important, just introducing gay rights or changing wording as most cases are, but to actively abolish homophobic laws as unconstitutional and against human rights. Kingsif (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support (edit conflict × 2) I prefer my proposed altblurb IV (strongest bias possible) but I strongly support adding this to the ITN given it's international importance. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 13:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

  Just for the record, overturning Section 377 also decriminalises all relations that were once perceived to be “against the order of nature”. It is a decision that impacts all LGBTs in India. That would make the blurb, which mentions only “gay sex”, technically incorrect. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 13:48, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

  I am aware, but the purview was that Section 377 was used to victimize homosexuals, I've also added another, more comprehensive blurb. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 14:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support, but with minor concerns over the amount of uncited material in Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code. I don't feel that it's enough to hold up the posting of the story, but it could be improved. Strikerforce^Talk 14:11, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment – It's been my understanding that there's no difference in terms of weight between a "strong" support or oppose vote and just a plain vote. This, although I believe "weak" votes usually have been counted as half-votes. (Yes, I realize that the number of votes doesn't necessarily determine consensus.) Has there been a change regarding "strong" votes? Sca (talk) 15:00, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Supreme court did not strke down the whole of Section 377. It only struck down parts about homsexual acts. Section 377 also criminalises many other acts perceived to be "against the order of nature" like having sex with children and animals. These acts remain illegal. --ASF23 (talk) 15:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I believe all the current blurbs vioilate NPOV with terms like Landmark and Strikes down. They sugest that this was a good thing which could be debated. We should be stating the facts alone i reccomend instead that the blurb read something along the lines of "The Supreme Court of India Changes Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, making all consensual sexual acts legal."Fremanofkol (talk) 15:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• How exactly do "landmark" and "strike down" suggest this is a "good thing"? (which, IMHO it is and those who think otherwise are being homophobic) Landmark is used to denote an important decision, whether it is "good" or "bad" isn't the concern. Strike down simply denotes that these parts were removed. In no way does it violate NPOV. Also, w.r.t. to ASF23 concerns, how does this blurb sound: "In a landmark judgement, the Supreme Court of India strikes down parts of the colonial-era Section 377 which criminalize same-sex unions." How does that sound? 2.51.21.106 (talk) 16:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Parts would be wrong. Section 377 is still a part of the IPC, the difference being all consensual sexual acts between adults is not under its purview. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 16:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I'd give you 'landmark', but 'strike down' is just the ordinary English phrase used when a court annuls a statute for conflict with a constitution or other basic law. Other languages use similar metaphors; in French they're cassé, literally 'broken'. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment The LGBT rights in India page is better in my opinion. It includes quotes from the ruling; it also explains the situation for LGBT rights in India much more comprehensively. I'm thinking maybe we could switch the Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India article with the LGBT rights in India article. Maybe we could have a discussion as well to see how we could potentially flip that and work a linking word for it. Maybe it could link on the word "homosexuality" like homosexuality. I think we should keep the article on Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code; I think it could use more elaboration, though before posting. Any thoughts on the LGBT rights in India page? -TenorTwelve (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• I don't know, we are supposed to be bolding the article that is the reason the subject is in the news presently: in this case, that would be Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India. We could link to the articles LGBT rights in India and/or Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code in the blurb, though. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 16:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Is it possible to put three articles in a blurb? I'm still new to this.-TenorTwelve (talk) 16:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Three articles can be linked in a blurb, but only one can be bolded,:the article whose topic is the reason the subject is in the news. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support in principle per everybody above, but oppose the 4 alt blurbs per my comment below.Tlhslobus (talk) 16:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Support in principle per everybody above, but oppose the 4 alt blurbs, as, unlike the blurb, they all currently say Section 377 has been struck down, when, as already pointed out by ASF23, it seemingly remains in force except for consensual adult gay sex (it still bans bestiality, pedophile sex, etc). For instance I'm not clear whether heterosexual anal sex is still banned or not (the equality logic seems to make it unbanned, but the wording seems to refer only to gays and lesbians thus seemingly leaving it banned) - perhaps that could be clarified in our article? Tlhslobus (talk) 16:06, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Proposal for a rewording of the alternate blurb Perhaps to reconcile the legalization of consensual heterosexual sex with homosexuality we could say The Supreme Court of India strikes down the colonial-era Section 377, thereby decriminalizing homosexuality and all consensual sexual acts. Though I am wondering if the word "all" is applicable as I found text that said "two people;" whereas more than two can be consensual. (Note: I am not inviting a debate nor offering my views on sex with more than two people)-TenorTwelve (talk) 16:11, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Here's my altblurb that the template can't support: "The Supreme Court of India strikes down portions of the colonial-era Section 377, decriminalizing gay and other consensual sex acts." Parts of 377 still are in place (no non-consensus sex; age above 18; no beastiality, etc.) The key one is about the nature of gay sex, but as I read articles on this, prior to today, this also could have been used for things like unusual heterosexual acts (fellatio, for example). The court's decision (linked above) clearly says as long as its adults, consensual, and behind closed doors, that can't be persecuted. --Masem (t) 16:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Our lead currently says "in so far as it criminalises consensual sexual conduct between adults of the same sex". Either "of the same sex" must be removed or your proposed blurb is wrong (and even if correct it should seemingly say consensual adult sex acts).Tlhslobus (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

And I suspect, perhaps mistakenly, that they have not unbanned complex matters such as all degrees of consensual adult sado-masochism, etc, as would seem to be implied by the proposed new blurb.Tlhslobus (talk) 16:35, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Item 1 of the conclusion of the judgment seems to support the proposed blurb, and thus also to require a correction to the lead of our article, and perhaps other parts of it as well (tho the judgment is a primary source, so it might help to have secondary sources also saying this - for instance in relation to 'consensual' sado-masochism, there might be questions over competence to consent, and/or whether consent was genuine, and/or whether it was a sexual act, etc):

21. CONCLUSION

i. In view of the aforesaid findings, it is declared that insofar as Section 377 criminalises consensual sexual acts of adults (i.e. persons above the age of 18 years who are competent to consent) in private, is violative of Articles 14, 15, 19, and 21 of the Constitution. It is, however, clarified that such consent must be free consent, which is completely voluntary in nature, and devoid of any duress or coercion. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:07, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support: proposed new simple and straightforward blurb: The Supreme Court of India decriminalises homosexuality.-Nizil (talk) 16:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • That's technically not true. While the ruling's language does talk about gay rights, the actual actionable conclusion only decriminalizing gay sex and some other types of consensual sex acts that occurs behind closed doors. --Masem (t) 17:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
    • (Edit conflict) How about something along the lines of "India's Supreme Court decriminalises consensual sexual acts between adult homosexuals, when performed confidentially"? That's what I got by simply paraphrasing the court's verdict. If considered, the blurb may require grammar polishing for encyclopedic reading. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 17:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
      • The ruling is actually 'between consenting adults in private' but in practice our blurb also needs to mention gays, so maybe 'between consenting adults in private, thus also decriminalizing homosexual acts'; but some may still also want a link to section 377.Tlhslobus (talk) 17:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
        • Huh, how about "In a historic verdict, India's Supreme Court interpreted rhat the colonial-era Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code cannot preside over sexual acts between consenting adults in private, thus decriminalising homosexual acts"? The sooner we agree to a simple blurb, the sooner this can feature on the main page, and further discussions on changes to the blurb could continue here. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
          • Probably too long for our admins. Better may be: The Supreme Court of India decriminalises sexual acts between consenting adults in private, including homosexual acts. But our article also has to be corrected, both in the lead and in the main body.Tlhslobus (talk) 19:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Also 'homosexuality' was not a criminal offence ((male?) homosexual acts were, but that's not the same thing).Tlhslobus (talk) 17:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The latest in the endless stream of nominations on the same theme. This particular culture war is over and has been for a long time. The only way this would have been ITN worthy is if the ruling had gone the other way. Will consider supporting if/when gay sex/marriage is legalized in Saudi Arabia. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • India’s top court had upheld the decision to keep same sex-sexual relations criminal in 2013, so there was no way to know if this would be the final decision taken with most politicians opposing the decision and the ruling party remaining silent over the issue. It can be called, in a way, unexpected. This culture war might be over in most Western countries, but a majority of the countries throughout the world still haven’t recognised/legalised same sex relations and that says something for itself. Legalisation of LGBT relationships in different countries throughout the world would certainly be considered noteworthy for a blurb at present (and India, being a member of the Commonwealth, would influence other such decisions within the realm for those countries which haven’t decriminalized it yet), even if that country isn’t Saudi Arabia. 2.51.21.106 (talk) 19:29, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ad Orientem.--WaltCip (talk) 19:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ad Orientem. Lepricavark (talk) 20:03, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ad Orientem. Sca (talk) 22:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support I think Ad Orientem's argument is very biased. There are many countries in the world where homosexuality is illegal. Besides if we believe that "the only way this would have been ITN worthy is if the ruling had gone the other way", we would post e.g. this on ITN. Banedon (talk) 22:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• There are many countries in the world where homosexuality is illegal ...and many others where it is legal; in some cases for a generation. What possible rationale could we have for posting one in the middle? Methinks it is because this is an Anglophone country, and that reeks of editor-bias. ghost 23:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• India is an Anglophone country? Banedon (talk) 03:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• I agree. India is as Anglophone as much as Vegemite is edible food. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 03:39, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per Banedon. Openlydialectic (talk) 22:44, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - per Banedon. Clearly a subject unique and historic. Article seems ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 23:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - LGBT rights are not so advanced in Asia compared to Americas/Europe/Australiasia. India’s gigantic population only increases the effects of this ruling. starship.paint ~ KO 02:03, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Just curious but why is this taking so long to post? --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 03:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Chill. There is no rush.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support, preferring Alt. Blurb II. This is front page international news in many different countries. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 03:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support This is a significant decision. Let us not forget that the Muslim world is not the only culture averse to LGBT rights and India has a significant Muslim population.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose The articles connected to this news blurb STILL do not do justice to this "landmark decision" and should be worded better. Also, there is so much confusion in the articles and here related to what the judgment actually says (or so it seems to me), arising from the aspect of trying to phrase the judgement into a few words. I just wanted to post the 5 verdicts copy pasting them from the actual Supreme Court judgement, (taken from the Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India source Verdict Link) -

We hold and declare that:

(i) Section 377 of the Penal Code, in so far as it criminalises consensual sexual conduct between adults of the same sex, is unconstitutional;

(ii) Members of the LGBT community are entitled, as all other citizens, to the full range of constitutional rights including the liberties protected by the Constitution;

(iii) The choice of whom to partner, the ability to find fulfilment in sexual intimacies and the right not to be subjected to discriminatory behaviour are intrinsic to the constitutional protection of sexual orientation;

(iv) Members of the LGBT community are entitled to the benefit of an equal citizenship, without discrimination, and to the equal protection of law; and

(v) The decision in Koushal stands overruled

Yes, this is a big landmark decision, (not just because of India's huge population lol) but I will still have to oppose the ITN.DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Note: Things in the article Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code like the way the heading is worded "Eminent Personalities Case" (???) or phrases such as "In a surprising move" and "The court seemed sympathetic" seem vauge and need to be rephrased. (Yes i could do it but that isn't the point here). DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 04:15, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

• • We still haven’t found a way (or a blurb) to link to Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code and say exactly what the court order said, without sounding wordy. As for the article being bolded, Navtej Singh Johar v. Union of India, will try to include all five points (since Supreme Court documents are exempt from copyright). 2.51.21.106 (talk) 07:07, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018 Iburi earthquake

Article: 2018 Iburi earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Iburi earthquake is the largest to have impacted Japan so far this year. The earthquake disrupted electrical service throughout Hokkaido, leaving 5.3 million residents without power. Reports state that at least nine people died as a result. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An earthquake in the Iburi Subprefecture of Japan results in at least nine deaths.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mccunicano (talk · give credit)

• Support altblurb. Article is short, but sufficiently detailed given what is currently known, well referenced, and the topic is currently being covered by news sources. Checks all the boxes. --Jayron32 11:54, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support alt. They are saying part of this quake's damage was amplified by rainfall from Jebi that weakened the soil in some areas that led to deaths, and while I could see a blurb combining Jebi and this, that would be rather awkward. --Masem (t) 12:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support The article looks good and with more details coming, it's ok to be posted. –Ammarpad (talk) 12:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 14:24, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

September 5

Portal:Current events/2018 September 5

September 5, 2018 (2018-09-05) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) A Suicide attack at a wrestling club in a Hazara Shi’ite neighborhood of the Afghan capital Kabul and a second explosion apparently targeting emergency services and journalists kills at least 20 people and wounds 70 others. (Reuters) Israel’s Supreme Court rejects appeals against the demolition of Khan al-Ahmar in the occupied West Bank whose fate has been a subject of international concern. (BBC) Disasters and accidents 2018 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Gordon makes landfall near the Alabama–Mississippi border in the United States. One death is reported. (CNN) Hurricane Florence, the sixth named storm of 2018, becomes the first major Atlantic hurricane of the year as it strengthens to a category 3 hurricane. (Fox News) (SFgate.com) An Iranian man attempts self-immolation in front of the Tehran city hall. (Trend) Emirates Flight 203 from Dubai is quarantined briefly after landing at John F. Kennedy International Airport when 19 passengers were deemed sick and others complained of symptoms. (USA Today) International relations Israel–Paraguay relations Paraguay announces that it will move its embassy in Israel from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv, reversing a May decision to move it from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, citing efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East. In response, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu orders the closure of Israel's embassy in Paraguay. (Reuters), (Reuters2) Bolivarian diaspora, Crisis in Venezuela After an emergency summit, eleven nations of Latin America (including Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador, and Peru) announce that they will all admit Venezuelan migrants without the required travel documents. (BBC) China–Togo relations Wang Huning, a senior official of the Communist Party of China, meets with Togolese President Faure Gnassingbé in Beijing, China. (Xinhua) Law and crime Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal British authorities charge two men for their alleged involvement in a Novichok poisoning earlier in 2018, claiming the men are agents of the GRU. (NPR) Russia says that the United Kingdom declines to provide them with the suspects' fingerprints. (TASS) Kidnapping of Joshua Boyle and Caitlan Coleman, Weinstein effect Caitlan Coleman, an American woman kidnapped and held hostage for five years in Afghanistan, accused her husband Joshua Boyle physically and emotionally abusing her while the family was being held by Taliban-linked militants. (The Guardian) Politics and elections Presidency of Donald Trump The New York Times publishes an editorial written by an anonymous senior administration official in the Trump administration which criticizes U.S. President Donald Trump and claims unnamed administration aides and officials, in efforts to promote national stability, conspired against the president. (AP via CBC) Science and technology International Space Station maintenance The Director General of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, says the 2mm hole detected on the International Space Station (ISS) last week was caused, possibly deliberately, by someone using a drill, and that an investigation is under way to find out who is responsible. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Erik Hauri

Article: Erik Hauri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Carnegie Science
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support I have updated the article. It could do with more work but is probably fine for RD. Hrodvarsson (talk) 00:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:59, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Russian involvement in Salisbury poisonings

Article: Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United Kingdom names and charges two Russian intelligence agents with multiple crimes, including the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal, Yulia Skripal, and detective Nick Bailey. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The British government names and provides evidence on two Russian intelligence agents, charging them in absentia with multiple crimes, including the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal, Yulia Skripal, and detective Nick Bailey.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The British Minister of Security, Ben Wallace, asserts that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ultimately responsible for the Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal and 2018 Amesbury poisonings, in which British citizens were harmed and one died.
News source(s): BBC The Daily Telegraph AP BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Unlikely they'll be brought to justice, but they have at least had formal charges placed on them. Kingsif (talk) 18:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Article is high quality, update is sufficiently detailed and well referenced, story is currently in the news. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron32 18:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Strong Support [redacted], but change the "grievous crimes" to something more encyclopaedic. Openlydialectic (talk) 19:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support I'm pretty sure if Russian agents were charged with assassination attempts on the soil of most countries outside the former Soviet Union (e.g. the US), it would be the biggest news story of the year. So, because this is the UK, it's not, but it's still very highly notable and easily sufficient for ITN. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• I thought ITN wasn't a news ticker and that we don't necessarily follow the biggest headlines. I also thought you already knew that. Or am I missing something? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 09:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Undoubtedly! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment it's in the news today, but we've featured this when they were poisoned, we featured again when the diplomatic row took place. We have a long established (but I think incorrect) precedent of waiting for convictions in court; and I doubt Putin is going to hand these people over to stand trial. I honestly don't care that much, but people have screamed "systemic bias" over less. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Be very careful with the word "charged", which has a specific legal meaning and which, as far as I can see, the UK government and all UK media are studiously avoiding in favour of "named as suspects", which is not the same thing at all; the official statement says this forensic investigation has now produced sufficient evidence for the independent Director of Public Prosecutions to bring charges but doesn't actually specify whether charges have been brought. As we're accusing named individuals of murder in Wikipedia's voice, it's important the sourcing on this one be absolutely watertight. ‑ Iridescent 20:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Agree. Suspects are usually arrested or in custody before being charged. But the press seems to think otherwise. The England and Wales section at Indictment is hardly very clear. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose We don't post charges/arrests, and generally wait until convictions. Add Iridescent's point above that they have only been named, not actually charged. If this was more a direction assertion like if the UK were directly pointing to Putin saying he gave the orders directly, that might be different as a diplomatic row, but this is not that level yet. --Masem (t) 20:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

As a "fun" note, Theresa May did say that it was very likely the order came from high up the chain of command in the Russian State. All but naming Putin, because she has a brain. Kingsif (talk) 22:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose violation of WP:BLPCRIME, as they haven't been tried and found guilty of anything. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Is it a BLPCRIME vio? They may not be WP:WELLKNOWN but the incident certainly is, and the authorities in the UK aren't exactly known for making false accusations. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

"...the authorities in the UK aren't exactly known for making false accusations" These are politicians, not authorities. HiLo48 (talk) 22:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

The prospect of any conviction seems somewhat remote? But I'm not sure if this is a factor that weighs more on either side of the discussion here. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose – Per Masem, although coverage says Petrov and Boshirov have been charged in absentia. Evidence presented by UK officials looks damning, but Wiki is neither jury nor judge. Sca (talk) 21:33, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment The UK likely will never get the chance to even take these men into custody, let alone put them on trial and convict them, as Russia does not extradite its citizens(and certainly not its spies). (asking no one in particular) Is there no way to write a blurb to highlight this and not run afoul of BLP? 331dot (talk) 22:22, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Though sources do say they have been charged (obviously practically impossible to formally arraign them), I have added an alt blurb that should give clarification that these people are not arrested or anything. Kingsif (talk) 22:31, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - this is indeed major news and should be included. Seems ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 23:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Pure anti-Russian propaganda, from one of the usual suspects, designed to feed the Russia haters in the west. For an example, see "F*ck Putin" above. These are allegations, not even charges. Not proof of anything. All part of the international propaganda war. And a lot of people have been sucked right in. We must not play this game. HiLo48 (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• The most neutral news agency we have is the BBC, which played video footage of the charged men during the time of the offence. From your previous issues with Wikipedia administration and what you perceive as "POV pushing", you'll disagree, but it's quite clear to most people that there is no reason to not believe the UK government. Not to mention "I think it's propaganda" isn't a good reason to oppose (no judgement). Kingsif (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• It's the actions of a right wing government we're seeing here. Nothing Theresa May does can prova anything about the guilt of people. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• I am genuinely not sure if you are just delusional or a russian bot. Either way, I've warned you for this comment and spreading russian propaganda on wikipedia further will likely result in a quick and permanent ban. Take care. Openlydialectic (talk) 23:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• HiLo is a controversial, but presumably well-meaning editor. He recently gained an interest in Eastern Europe and was warned about edits on it. Kingsif (talk) 23:51, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Openlydialectic, if I see any more shit like that from you you can argue your case via an {{unblock}} template. If you have any evidence that an editor with 50,000 edits over a 12 year period is 'a Russian bot' provide the diffs. ‑ Iridescent 23:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Wow. I now see attempts to silence someone with a contrasting view. Not a good look guys. Are you really all happy with F*ck Putin"? I suppose it's offence on the accepted side, so must be OK. (And they say Wikipedia isn't censored. Hah.) HiLo48 (talk) 23:53, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• My intention was not "to silence someone with a contrasting view". However, a personal opinion on a news article, especially when proven false, is not something that is accepted as a reason (either for support or oppose). Hope that clears it up. I know you strive for neutrality, as do I, but calling one government placing charges on people "anti-Russian propaganda" is a stretch at least. Kingsif (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• This is par for the course for HiLo. He made a controversial comment that explicitly assumed others were acting in bad faith. When challenged, he tried to portray himself as a victim by claiming that others are trying to silence him. Classic battleground behavior. Don't worry, nobody else believes you were trying to silence him. Lepricavark (talk) 01:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• So striking out my comment and being threatened with being blocked was not a form of silencing? OK. I'll try hard to understand that. It's revealing how making a comment that challenges the right wing, western world official view leads to a lot of people wanting to talk about me, rather than what I wrote. It's just like blaming evil foreigners for all one's local problems, I guess. HiLo48 (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Striking out is used when votes for support/oppose have faulty reasoning, so that they aren't counted. Nothing more, nothing less. Kingsif (talk) 11:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

On that basis, an awful lot of content here would be routinely struck out. HiLo48 (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. Also it's already been posted before, and I don't consider this significant enough for multiple postings. Banedon (talk) 00:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• As a few people have said they oppose per Masem, I'd like to discuss the three reasons Masem gives: 1. "we generally don't post unless convicted". It's obvious that the actual chance of conviction happening is very unlikely, so that should be weighted, not to mention this could well be notable enough to be one of the exceptions. 2. "they've only been named, not charged". They have been charged. 3. "if this was more a direction assertion like if the UK were directly pointing to Putin saying he gave the orders directly, that might be different". As my comment said above, the UK are pointing at Putin, but in a way that won't get them poisoned tomorrow. (Please respond with discussion) Kingsif (talk) 00:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

If they have been charged, that should be in any blurb, e.g. "... charged with attempted murder"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• I was only opposing per Masem's first point: if the conviction doesn't happen then we shouldn't post. For example we have news such as Navalny says he will sue Putin, which everyone would agree is very unlikely to succeed, which doesn't mean it's postable. Being charged is irrelevant; it's being convicted that matters, see e.g. this, we didn't post it either. Banedon (talk) 00:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• I do consider the issue here, that with the two named individuals having disappeared meaning there's likely never going to be any arrest or trial and thus no conviction. So the question is, will this have any impact, and so far the answer seems to be no - I'm not seeing massive politic unrest yet. Also, their ties with the current Russian gov't remain iffy, so we have yet to have the evidence they were acting on orders or alone. Basically, this a huge point of speculation and not a hard milestone we can use for ITN. --Masem (t) 00:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• You have a good point about not knowing the kind of impact this will have, because it did just happened (which is why it's in the news at the moment). Also, Theresa May said that they can trace the chain of command, so it's not completely speculation. Six months of investigations and being the UK infers there wouldn't be charges unless they were at least 99.9% sure of everything. Kingsif (talk) 00:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• If they can trace the chain of command, then likely if they cannot capture these two, I can see a potential of UK formally asserting that Russia ordered the assassination attempt (if that's where it proves out). At which point, that might be news. But even with that, consider the overall picture here: no one actually died, and we're talking about what appears to be a targetted poisoning of a double agent by supposedly a Russian agency. It's rather an icky situation if that's all true, but it's not a major political scandal that I can see (but that could be proven wrong), so even closure on the matter may not be necessary. --Masem (t) 00:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Obviously a good point about being contentious, but you’re forgetting that a British citizen did die. And, now updated, the British are now directly blaming Putin, which has also been reported by the BBC. Kingsif (talk) 11:15, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

  But again, this is not new. They blamed Russia all along, hence the expelling of the diplomats. There is no denying this is a story of today making a few headlines in the papers, but we're not a news ticker. This story will have many twists and turns, but until something of lasting significance occurs, e.g. a conviction, we don't need to keep on re-posting. — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Then it’s a good thing we’re not posting rolling updates, like the Kremlin telling the UK to "go to hell". If we take this separately to all the past updates, would the U.K. mounting such accusations be worthy of feature on ITN? I’m inclined to say that it would. Kingsif (talk) 14:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose We've already posted the poisoning in the past and these developments don't warrant an additional posting in my view. Regarding the contentious comments above, on very controversial issues such as these we must be extra careful not to violate WP:NPOV or be seen to push an ideological agenda. WP:BLPCRIME may also come in here - remember "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction". Aside from all that, blurb is obviously not encyclopedic. AusLondonder (talk) 01:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support This is huge news. Misapplying the standard that we don't post until convictions in this case is a willful misunderstanding. Thue (talk) 09:27, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • You make a good point: the news is less about people being charged itself, which is quite minor, and more about who by, who for, and the crime and international relations instead. So, saying we don’t post people being charged until convicted is a misapplication because the news to be posted is that the British are making claims with huge international significance. Also note that the people were never named in any blurb. Kingsif (talk) 11:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

    The British government have been saying all along that they suspect Russian involvement. They expelled a whole load of diplomats immediately after the incident. This indictment doesn't really add anything new to the international relations angle. It's also far from clear that it will have any lasting consequences. People were indicted in connection with the Litvinienko poisoning but nothing became of that. I just see this as one more step in a slow - burn news story that we've already posted.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Reopening with new blurb. Kingsif (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support now reliable sources have named Putin as being involved with it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I would be extremely careful about using the information in the second BBC article, as that is far less an official statement and one made in a press interview. Further the full statement made here is not saying that Putin gave the order, but that Putin needs to take responsibility that someone in his gov't, which Wallace claims Putin has full control of, issued the order. That's not saying Putin directly ordered it. --Masem (t) 11:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Which ones? And are they explicitly blaming Putin for it, or are they quoting non-senior British officials who are? Because there's a huge difference between these two, which most Wikipedians seem to overlook most of the time. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 11:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

To clarify, yes, the blurb shouldn't say "responsible", but the BBC have certainly pointed the finger at Putin and said "guilt by association, m'lud". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I have added the word "ultimately", which is the term Wallace used in the full statement, to clarify this. Kingsif (talk) 11:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

The BBC claiming it is not the same thing as the government formally stating it. Let's avoid the hyperbole here. --Masem (t) 11:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

You're suggesting that the BBC just claims that Ben Wallace said this (live on BBC Radio 4's Today programme)? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

No, I'm saying, to what Ritchie suggests , that because the BBC has pointed blame, then we should accept that. The BBC isn't the organization here that can made any credibly claim on the guilt. --Masem (t) 19:28, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, ok. I'm not sure the BBC have pointed anything. Whether or not Wallace speaks for the government is another question. Conveniently, of course, should there be unexpected consequences to May's careful announcement, the Minister of State for Security and Economic Crime could be expendable. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose just because we didn't say RUSSIA DID IT! last time doesn't mean it wasn't clear at that time. We do not post every advance of a slide toward some obvious conclusion. ghost 11:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Yes we did: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/salisbury-attack-joint-statement-by-leaders-of-france-germany-the-united-states-canada-and-the-united-kingdom Openlydialectic (talk) 15:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• My "we" was in reference to WP, not HM government. Why would you think I speak for them? ghost 17:43, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support I'm sure we can word the blurb to avoid any BLP issues.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per TRM. Lepricavark (talk) 15:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Not too familiar with British legal codes, but precedent is to post sentencing. Willing to change my oppose if what's going on here is the equivalent to that. We previously posted the poisoning itself, and then later the expulsion of diplomats. Spencer^T•C 03:23, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. Hrodvarsson (talk) 03:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

RD: Bhagwatikumar Sharma

Article: Bhagwatikumar Sharma (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BS, DeshGujarat
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sharma has received some top literary awards of India including Sahitya Akademi Award and Ranjitram Suvarna Chandrak. Article may need some copyediting for grammar. Nizil (talk) 13:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is in terrible shape; the "Works" section for instance can certainly be reduced to notable ones only. Alex Shih (talk) 09:29, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rachael Bland

Article: Rachael Bland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Inspirational woman and radio presenter. Was alive less time than I have been, which makes me rather sad. What more can one say? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:35, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Very short, but it's ok otherwise. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I've destubbed it this morning, and with obituaries coming out today, it should be expanded more. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I see. It even looks better now. –Ammarpad (talk) 14:39, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - Ready to be posted. Short but just long enough for inclusion.BabbaQ (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Stubby. Sca (talk) 14:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

It's over 1,5002,700 characters - not a stub. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:44, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

→ The text itself is 435 words. Sca (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

It's 529 last time I looked. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

You must be counting footnotes and other things on the page. Sca (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

.... or just expanding the article ;-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Article says almost nothing meaningful other than "she had a job and she died". It would need to be fleshed out with some more substantial details before being useful for the main page. --Jayron32 14:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Have another look :-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support The expansion by Ritchie looks good enough to me.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 17:00, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Typhoon Jebi (2018)

Article: Typhoon Jebi (2018) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Jebi has left a trail of destruction across the west of Japan, killing at least 9 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Meow (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Worst storm to hit Japan in 25 years. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - article could be expanded but what is there is well referenced and sufficient to post. Mjroots (talk) 05:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - Agree with Mjroots. Deadly and destructive event. Jusdafax (talk) 06:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support without the tabloid phrasing, and with updated fatality count. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posting, with a more standard blurb. --Tone 07:29, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Pull – I don't have the time to expand and fix this myself, but the article is severely lacking in content. The meteorological history is missing everything between August 28 and September 4, and after the Japanese landfalls; there is no section on preparations, and the impact has only 4 sources (3 of which are for peripheral impacts in Taiwan). Will take substantial work to get this to a respectable point. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 04:58, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

  But it adequately covers the details surrounding the news story itself, right? The Rambling Man (talk) 05:57, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

  I was going to comment this way too: ultimately the article should contain all those details and knowing efforts that editors like Cyclonbiskit do for weather articles, that's great, but for ITN, it needs the sources to confirm fundamental details (initial death tolls , etc.) but not much else. We don't expect GA/FA quality articles for ITN, particularly when the article is new due to the event, just enough content and sourcing to show as a good example of an article-in-development. --Masem (t) 06:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

  I guess I hold weather articles to a higher standard given how long I've been involved with them. If it meets ITN requirements there's not much else to say :P ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 06:42, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

September 4

Portal:Current events/2018 September 4

September 4, 2018 (2018-09-04) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2015–2018 Iraqi protests Seven people are killed and more than 30 are injured during a rally in Basra, Iraq after security forces opened fire. (Yeni Şafak English) Libyan civil war The United Nations reports that a ceasefire has been agreed upon by non-governmental militias fighting in Tripoli. (BBC) Arts and culture The new book of investigative journalist Bob Woodward, Fear, draws the ire of the White House. (Fox News) (Vox) A pair of Judy Garland's famous ruby slippers from The Wizard of Oz (1939) are recovered by police. The shoes were stolen from a museum in Grand Rapids, Minnesota in 2005. (BBC) Business and economy International reactions to the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen Spain confirms that it has cancelled the sale of 400 laser-guided bombs to Saudi Arabia because of concerns about the weapons' use in the conflict in Yemen. (Reuters) Amazon becomes the second trillion-dollar company in the United States. (BBC) Disasters and accidents 2018 Pacific typhoon season Typhoon Jebi kills at least 11 people in Japan, while more than 300 are injured. It is considered the strongest typhoon in the country in 25 years. (BBC) A bridge collapses in Kolkata, resulting in three deaths and 25 injuries. (Oneindia) Law and crime 70 protesters, including television actress Piper Perabo, are arrested at the Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination. (People) (The Hill) Table Rock Lake duck boat accident Tia Coleman, an Indianapolis woman who lost her husband and eight other relatives in the sinking of a duck boat in Branson, Missouri, files a lawsuit against the tour boat operators and manufacturer. (Indy Star) Politics and elections Brett Kavanaugh Supreme Court nomination The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee opens confirmation hearings for U.S. Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. (NPR) The European Ombudsman, Emily O'Reilly, mentions four counts of maladministration by the European Commission in the fast-track nomination of Martin Selmayr as its Secretary-General in February. (BBC) Chicago mayoral election, 2019 Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel announces he will not seek a third term in 2019. (CBS News) Government of Jimmy Morales President Jimmy Morales and the National Security Council of Guatemala banned the re-entry into the national territory of the head of the CICIG (International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala) Iván Velásquez Gómez. President Morales also criticized the Secretary-General of the United Nations António Guterres and ordered him to immediately replace the CICIG commissioner. (The Washington Post) Jon Kyl will replace John McCain as Senator of Arizona. (Huffington Post) Science and technology A Microsoft Azure datacenter in Texas goes down due to a cooling system failure. Outages in cloud services were reported worldwide (Zdnet)

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(Closed) Danish FA

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Article: Denmark national football team (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Owing to a dispute with the players, the Danish football team names an entirely uncapped squad consisting of third and fourth tier players, in addition to futsal players, for their opening UEFA Nations League game. (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Irish Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Stormy clouds (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Let me preface this by saying that this nomination is a longshot with multiple caveats. The blurb I have proposed is likely unworkable due to its unwieldy nature. There will be opposition to posting another football story. This, depending on how the story develops, may be more suited to DYK a ways down the road. However, it is absolutely in the news, and the target article has been thoroughly updated. So consider this a call for opinion, and feel free to snow close if consensus deems this of minimal importance. - So why is this in the news? Because, at present, Denmark, the eighth best team in the world according to FIFA World Rankings will put out a team of completely unknown players, including those from a disparate code, in a competitive game. Hence, it is heavily in the news in relation to the back page, and while not the most significant thing ever, is of some importance. But again, it is a longshot that even I might not fully back, so close without prejudice if needs be. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Question the article is huge, can you link to the relevant section to make it easier to readers to find? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@LaserLegs: - sorry. I wrote this section today, which incorporates the nominated material. The blurb also concerns the squad, which is here. - Stormy clouds (talk) 20:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Weak Oppose Using Googles "region and language setting" feature, I did see this story in ZA and IE region, but not near the top (no mention in the US). The article itself is iffy, with several paragraphs missing refs, and I don't think the update itself covers the background in the players dispute to be comprehensive. That said, the story is interesting (I had no idea futsal was a thing) and a major FIFA national team having to cobble this squad together at the last minute for their first matches of a new tournament is unusual. I think this is DYK material, which IIRC has amended it's criteria to include "recently updated" articles. DYK is apparently a bog though. Thanks for the good faith nom, even if it never makes the main page, I learned something today (which is one reason I stalk ITN/C). --LaserLegs (talk) 23:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Strongest oppose Internal Danish footie matter of far less importance than many of the items that don't receive consensus to post here. DYK is the place this belongs. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

@Muboshgu: - is it eligible for DYK? The article is not new, having begun in 2004. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment it's receiving wide coverage, certainly across Europe, and potentially strongly impacts on a UEFA tournament, not really an "internal" matter. But I don't think it rises to the level of encyclopedic value I'd imagine to see in a synopsis of the year's news events. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Almost any squabble involving Fussball draws wide coverage in Europe, but this is certainly not significant in the global scheme of things. (Neither was Özil). – Sca (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - way overblown. It's just a dispute with players. Posting this would be akin to posting a strike by (less than) 100 workers. Banedon (talk) 23:13, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • We posted an NBA or NHL strike a few years back --LaserLegs (talk) 23:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2018 Kolkata bridge collapse

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Article: 2018 Kolkata bridge collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A bridge collapses in a south Kolkata neighborhood, killing one and injuring more than 25 others. (Post)
News source(s): ReutersAl Jazeera (other refs in article as well)
Credits:

• Nominated by QEDK (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'm actively working on it as more of the situation develops. There had been another of these few years back and this seems to be one of a pattern of collapses in the city. QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 20:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment a little context --LaserLegs (talk) 20:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - with only one death, and this not being a unique occurrence in the city, I don't see much lasting impact, unfortunately. Stormy clouds (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose – Ditto. Snow close? Sca (talk) 21:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - nothing new (the third bridge collapse in recent memory) and a single death.∯WBG^converse 08:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Marijan Beneš

Article: Marijan Beneš (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Serbian boxer, article in reasonable shape. Some bare urls in the refs, I will look to sort them out - Dumelow (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• All fine here, ready to post when I see some more support. --Tone 16:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is sufficient. --Jayron32 16:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. The text is reasonably well-referenced. However, the boxing record section is unreferenced. There is a link to the home page of a boxing records website but not to a page containing his record and it would be unsuitable to have a link to the main page given its state of referencing. Capitalistroadster (talk) 19:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Had a second look, the link was apparently broken. It works now. --Tone 19:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - article is good to go. BabbaQ (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Changed my position to support now that referencing issues for record have been fixed. Capitalistroadster (talk) 06:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Marked ready. –Ammarpad (talk) 23:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Pakistani Presidential elections

Article: Pakistani presidential election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Arif Alvi (pictured) has been elected as 13th President of Pakistan. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Amirk94391 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Shah9425 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change of Head of State is ITNR. Moreover the aritcle also looks good. Amir (talk) 12:49, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The President of Pakistan is a ceremonial de jure figurehead who represents the "unity of the Republic." We passed on Khan being made PM because the election results were posted instead (and Khan mentioned then). We seem utterly unwilling to correct this obvious defect in the wording at ITN/R, but I see no reason to post the election of a "ceremonial figurehead" when the national election was just featured. $0.02. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I find it interesting that you usually argue that almost every nomination here should be posted because it is in the news, but not this one. 331dot (talk) 11:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I find your observations of me as an individual to be irrelevant, and ask that in the future you'd focus on the discussion and specific points I've made. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't commenting on you as an individual, you are free to comment on what you wish (largely) however you wish. I was mostly curious as to why you don't think this should be posted when you think almost everything else should be posted, but you are free to ignore my observations. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose We've covered the PM who appears to be the key figure of power in the country, and while the President here is a technical head of state, its not really of any power compared to other heads of state. --Masem (t) 13:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Changing to Support per comment to Vanamode93 below. --Masem (t) 06:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• I've repeatedly made the same argument, but I'm shocked to see these two respectable editors oppose an ITNR on notability grounds at ITNC. What gives? ghost 16:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • As I don't think the Pakistani President is what we'd consider "head of state" under ITNR, since most of that power is in the hands of the PM and the presidency is mostly ceremonial. (Eg if Pakistan hypothetically decides to go to war, it will be Khan leading that decision, not Alvi) INTR does allow these positions to be considered on a case-by-case basis but I argue that we've just covered the PM election effectively, so there's no need to cover this one. --Masem (t) 16:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
    • I don't think there's ambiguity at all in the ITNR, which is why I support fixing it. And I don't think we get to "consider" what is a head of state. It's not an opinion. Being a figurehead doesn't make one any less a head of state. ASIDE - It would be nice to see all the IARs go over and fix ITNR. How about only general elections get ITNR, and everything else is ad hoc (ITNC)? ghost 11:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Well, President of Germany is also elected by the parliament and it's the chancellor that has the most power but we posted the latest election in 2017 nevertheless. This article has sourcing issues, though. --Tone 16:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • We shouldn't have though - compounding errors doesn't correct them. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:27, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:IAR. One needs to be careful to avoid obfuscating who the true head-of-state is. The President is not the PM.--WaltCip (talk) 16:33, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. No need to post a figurehead. Lepricavark (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Lepricavark Queen Elizabeth II is a figurehead (of several countries). 331dot (talk) 11:02, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

It's fairly obvious that Queen Elizabeth II is far more influential than this gentlemen. Lepricavark (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

This nomination is about the election, not what the winner will or will not do- just as the succession of a new British monarch is about the event itself. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

If the Pakistani president is less influential than the British monarch, it stands to reason that the Pakistani election is less important than the British coronation. Lepricavark (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose essentially agree with WaltCip's comment –Ammarpad (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support: Previously Imran Khan blurb was not approved and now this. Pakistan is not a small country to be ignored like this. All British smallest elected/selected members gets INTR and when it comes to this, it becomes ceremonial. Then why Geremany blurb was posted? Nauriya (Let's talk) 08:154, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

  Khan's win was posted [4]. Stephen 06:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per the nominator and the reasons noted just above. Pakistan is the 5th-most populous country. Son of Kolachi (talk) 10:43, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Post per ITNR when ready. (I won't, obviously.) I don't see how it benefits the project to IAR in this situation. We shouldn't be afraid to have potential readers easily find this subject if they are looking for it or if they might be interested in it and come across it. Head of state is not about the level of power, but the fact that they represent their nation to the world and their citizens. It's been pointed out that we posted the similar German presidential election and it just seems to be systemic bias to not do so here. It is has been pointed out that there is an existing discussion on changing the ITNR listing(which has been attempted and failed many times, but nevertheless) which should be contributed to if change in the ITNR listing is desired. 331dot (talk) 10:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• We shouldn't be afraid to have potential readers easily find this subject if they are looking for it or if they might be interested in it and come across it. A strange choice of words. I don't think fear is a factor in this discussion. Lepricavark (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - As per nom and 331dot Sherenk1 (talk) 10:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose President doesn't have an actual impact. This is not a world news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.228.14.181 (talk) 10:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Figureheads come and figureheads go. I personally am against posting such on ITN ever (be it Germany or Pakistan, and especially the miniscule stuff on ITNR that no one really cares about). People need to stop taking things personally around here (small country and such, there's a lot of small countries which are better AND worse off than Pakistan, so I don't know what you're trying to prove). --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 11:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

@QEDK: You are free to to visit the ITNR talk page and suggest for removal any item that you feel "no one really cares about", as well as to participate in the discussion to change the head of state ITNR listing. Elizabeth II is a figurehead but we all know her passing will be posted. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Might as time comes, but no exact timeframe yet. But as for an idea on my position, read LaserLegs' reply above. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 11:16, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Of course we'll post her passing, the question is, will we post 50+ blurbs, one for every single state in which Charles will become "Head of State" or will we use common sense and not clutter the box with the meaningless appointments of silly figureheads? Hard to say. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

It isn't difficult at all to say that Charles becomes head of state of most Commonwealth countries, but that is for another time. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

"Another time"? You're the one who brought the future passing of Elizabeth II into this thread. It's a simple question: when she passes, should we post 50+ blurbs, 1 each for every nation in which her successor is now head of state? --LaserLegs (talk) 11:43, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I answered your question; if you wish to debate a blurb for an event which is likely some time off, you know where to find me. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Nope, you deflected, twice, after bringing "an event which is likely some time off" into this thread in the first place. That's ok, we all know that no, ITN won't blindly follow the letter of ITN/R and post 50+ blurbs for the change of heads of state of every commonwealth country; we'll use common sense, just like we should do now and not post the election of a meaningless figurehead. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

I didn't think I had to spell it out for you, but the blurb I was trying to suggest was "Upon the death of Elizabeth II, Charles III becomes head of state of several Commonwealth countries". See, it's not hard at all. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hrmmm, reading through WP:ITNR I see heads of state for countries, but not the commonwealth as a whole. You're saying you'd WP:IAR in this case (which you introduced) and do what makes sense, instead of following the letter of WP:ITNR precisely and posting 50 blurbs, one for each country? --LaserLegs (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense and is not beneficial to readers to ignore the choosing of the head of state of a highly populated country(sixth most, I think). IAR needs to benefit the project, and I don't feel it does here. It doesn't make sense to post (as you say) "50 blurbs" when one will do. That is not IAR, that is combining 50 separate blurbs that all would qualify on their own. I have no further comment on this line of discussion. 331dot (talk) 16:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• Re:Germany yes we posted Germany, maybe we shouldn't have? It's not fake bias to post one, come to your senses, and not do it again. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support It's not like there are many other presidential elections going on right now. Pakistan only has elections every five years, both the general election (for the prime minister) and the presidential one. I don't see what harm posting this blurb can cause; as far as coverage in international sources is concerned, it is satisfying that criteria. Mar4d (talk) 12:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support on significance, which I shouldn't have to, because this is ITN/R. I had a bunch of folks jump on me when I opposed posting the Super Bowl a while back; and here we have a nationwide election for the head of state in the world's sixth most populous country, and we're IAR opposing this on significance? @Masem and LaserLegs: seriously? ITN/R isn't ambiguous; the way it's written explicitly covers both real (typically elected) heads of state, and the figurehead types (typically not elected). Khan's election was posted as the result of a general election. This is a different ITN/R criterion. Vanamonde (talk) 13:32, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
  • It should be noted that an ITNC that meets ITNR that is otherwise fine on article quality can still be discussed for posting or not if that one single ITNR event is actually not that significant or surprising - an IAR exception to ITNR. The point of having ITNR is to avoid having to rehash why a general class of events should be posted aka the Boat Race issue (where the appropriate of the Boat Race in general is nearly always questioned when it is nominated by TRM). In this case, we accept that we'd normally post head of state elections, but there can be exceptions which is what the ITNC should focus on. My oppose more specifically on this one ITNC is that we just posted on the general election that put the person with the most power into office. That said, I just reviewed 2013 and we posted both (well the general election for the national assembly, not when the PM was selected) and the President both which had the same relative timing about a month apart, so I am going to change my !vote here. I still think we should be a bit more aware of the timing of these elections so it doesn't appear to be extraneous/repeated posting, or agree on the talk page that head of state and head of government should both be posted regardless of country and allow these close postings to occur. --Masem (t) 06:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Per 331dot and Vanamonde. This is unambigously ITN/R and we ahould not be having significance discussion here.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:40, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• SUPPORT pneding an update + as per ITNR.Lihaas (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. There's a weak consensus for posting here; when in doubt, follow the rules, as IAR should only be invoked when doing so clearly benefits the encyclopedia. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:59, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Pull In the midst of a dumb debate about ITNR, I don't know that anyone said this was actually ready. The "Schedule" section in particular is without citation. ghost 23:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

(Closed) RD: Jalaluddin Haqqani

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Article: Jalaluddin Haqqani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The founder of the Haqqani militant network. Some referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak support looks mostly okay, although not sure about the fair use image rationale, just because someone's a terrorist, it doesn't mean a free image couldn't be available. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:27, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: note that they date of death is unknown - the Taliban only announced it on 3 September. I'd like to see a reference for the last two sentences in the Death section. There are reports in the BBC and Guardian that might help - Dumelow (talk) 11:31, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• support - Looks good enough for RD posting. BabbaQ (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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September 3

Portal:Current events/2018 September 3

September 3, 2018 (2018-09-03) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Second Libyan Civil War More than 40 people, including civilians, have died in clashes in the Libyan city of Tripoli. (BBC) Arts and culture Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick is expected to become the "new face" of the Nike advertising campaign Just Do It. (BBC) President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko states that the Orthodox Church intends to grant the Kiev Patriarchate autocephaly. (BBC) Disasters and accidents Typhoon Jebi (2018) The Typhoon Jebi in Taiwan killed six people while another was declared missing. (Taiwan News) A bus accident in Avilés, Spain, kills five people and injures 17 others. (La voz de Avilés) An explosion at a Rheinmetall munition depot near Cape Town, South Africa, kills at least eight people. (Al Jazeera) A plane crashes near Angel Falls, Venezuela, killing all six of the people onboard. (Mundo) 2018 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Gordon forms in the Florida Keys and is forecast to strengthen over the next 48 hours as it brings strong winds and heavy rain to the Gulf of Mexico. (KXLY) (NBC News) Law and crime Arrests of Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo Two Reuters journalists jailed in Myanmar are sentenced to seven years in prison for violating the Official Secrets Act, prompting international condemnation. The pair was investigating reports of mass graves at the village of Inn Din when they were arrested in Yangon for attempting to obtain classified documents, which they contend were used as bait to entrap them. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Claire Wineland

Article: Claire Wineland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:02, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support No issues found. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Fully sourced. MurielMary (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Jacqueline Pearce

Article: Jacqueline Pearce (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

• Nominated by FoxyGrampa75 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actress. Articles looks fine, though not too fine. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 19:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - have tidied up the article, all sourced. MurielMary (talk) 20:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - good 2 go.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support No issues. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gordon Phillips (footballer)

Article: Gordon Phillips (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brentford FC footballer. Possibly a little work to do to the article, I will try to take a look at it - Dumelow (talk) 16:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support looks fine to me. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Well-sourced and the article is good. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 19:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Removed) 2018 Kerala floods

Article: 2018 Kerala floods (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Posted as a blurb more than two weeks ago before being moved to ongoing. The event itself (the flood and rescue) has ended and efforts are now focused on what typically occurs after a disaster. The last substantial addition to the article was a PR exercise about fishermen reported 5 days ago. Prior to that reactions from various organisations were last added on the 23 August. Neither of which currently meets the purpose of blurb or ongoing. Fuebaey (talk) 14:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Removed. --Tone 14:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) Sentencing of two Reuters journalists

Article: Inn_Din_massacre#Arrest_of_Reuters_journalists (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A court in Myanmar sentences two Reuters journalists to seven years in prison for violating the state secrets act while investigating violence against the Rohingya minority. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Sentenced now. Sherenk1 (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support – in principle as a significant press freedom and human rights case – but do we want a separate article? Sca (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• I'm not so sure about this one. Yes, the sentencing of two Reuters journalists for investigating a mass grave is an ominous sign of Myanmar sliding back into the bad old days of direct military rule, but I've not heard about their specific case until just now. Therefore, I'm not entirely convinced that this sentencing is significant enough by itself to merit a blurb on the main page. Kurtis ^(talk) 22:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I've heard quite a bit of it, though. In fact, they were supposed to be sentenced about 10 days ago but the judge was ill. Kingsif (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support I saw reasonable coverage of this before the sentencing example, so the sentencing itself should be postable. Banedon (talk) 23:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I'm neutral on posting, but shouldn't the suggested blurb have a few more wikilinks, perhaps for Myanmar, Reuters, and Rohingya? Tlhslobus (talk) 01:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Extremely Weak Support Part of me really wants to put this on the main page in the form of a flashing neon sign. But once I beat down the RGW impulses I am compelled to ask, why is this act of petty tyranny more significant than any of the other crimes against a free press that occur daily all over the world? Reporters are jailed or murdered with such regularity that this is hardly a standout event. Yeah, I'm supporting. But in all honesty it's my RGW impulses rising up again. Ask me in an hour and I may change my vote. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a high-profile case in terms of newsworthiness. Coverage I saw Monday cited evidence that Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo were framed by Myanmar police with planted documents. And the horrible Rohingya saga is of great significance from a human rights perspective – particularly given Aung San Suu Kyi's previous squeaky-clean reputation. Sca (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm still neutral, but this has little or nothing to do with WP:RGW, which is entirely about not putting stuff into Wikipedia which is not supported by reliable sources, and nobody is trying to do that here. (Any other interpretation of RGW would seemingly make little sense, if only because everything in Wikipedia is supposedly there as part of an attempt to reduce ignorance and could thus be challenged on the basis that it is an attempt to right the great wrong of keeping people in ignorance (as has arguably sometimes successfully happened here in the past.)) Tlhslobus (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose, in part because of what Ad Orientem said above. If we had a good-looking separate article for this situation, I would have likely voted support, however. Honestly, a flashing neon sign would be perfect... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

See my above comment re WP:RGW being irrelevant here.Tlhslobus (talk) 12:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

For the record, I opposed in part because this seems like a not particularly uncommon incident (though it is true that this one likely got more news attention than they usually do). The Right Great Wrongs guideline didn't affect my !vote at all. I simply thought about the purpose of ITN as listed on WP:ITN and think that this section does not emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource (because it is only a section). ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

• The phrase "while investigating" implies causation without proving it. There are ways to say they were set up in a neutral voice: perhaps "UN human rights chief calls for release of..." ghost 11:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I'm inclined to support because it was "in the news" (though I agree with Ad Orientem above). The "prelude" and "massacre" section both have a single (reliable) source, and both sections are thin on details -- not something that ought be featured on the MP. Whats there seems ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment – Getting stale. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 14:23, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "getting stale" - there is stale and not stale. All but one article currently posted is older. The only reason to close earlier is if the discussion is acrimonious AND going nowhere. ghost 14:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Is that so? At a pub last week I had a sandwich on foccacia bread that was dry and getting stale, although it didn't taste spoiled.
In journalism a story that is more than three days old – or even two days old – is getting stale. (This, per Ben Franklin, also is true of fish and visitors.) – Sca (talk) 15:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

• support - I have to support this. It is an ok article about a subject featured in media world wide and is ready for posting. BabbaQ (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. Like Kurtis, I haven't heard of this particular story until now. Journalists who are being killed while covering wars and drug-related violence, which happens all too often, don't usually get posted here. Let alone journalists who are sentenced to jail terms. The latter is even more common and occurs in many different parts of the world. I would've supported if the journalists themselves were notable or if their jailing sparked a diplomatic escalation between governments. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 17:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted. There is just about a consensus to post this, especially given the lack of stories in recent weeks. Black Kite (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
• Post-posting support - the update is suitable, and the story is of significance in the news. Stormy clouds (talk) 17:30, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2

Portal:Current events/2018 September 2

September 2, 2018 (2018-09-02) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks A suicide bomber attacks a government building in Mogadishu, Somalia, and causes the collapse of an adjacent school. Three deaths and 14 injuries are reported. (BBC) Moro conflict; 2018 Isulan bombings Another bombing incident occurs in Isulan, Sultan Kudarat, in the Philippines, when an improvised explosive device explodes outside an internet café, killing one person and injuring 15 others. (GMA News) Second Libyan Civil War Around 400 prisoners, mostly supporters of the late Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi, escape from a detention facility in Ain Zara, near Tripoli, amid fighting between rival militia groups. (BBC) Disasters and accidents 2018 Vietnam floods Heavy floods that started again across Vietnam have killed at least 14 people, while four others are declared missing. Also, 375 houses were damaged and 661 cattle killed. (Firstpost) A bus crashes in the Andes in Ecuador, leaving 11 people dead and 37 injured. (Channel NewsAsia) National Museum of Brazil fire A massive fire destroys most of the Paço de São Cristóvão, which houses the National Museum of Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro. The museum holds important archaeοlogical and anthropological objects, including the remains of the Luzia Woman, Marajoara vases and Egyptian mummies. (G1) (Reuters) International relations War in Donbass Tens of thousands of people attend the funeral of Alexander Zakharchenko. Yesterday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the murder was a provocation and that it would derail the stalled Normandy format peace process. (Deutsche Welle) Crisis in Venezuela, Foreign relations of Ireland to the Americas Ireland protests in response to the Venezuelan government seizing a Smurfit Kappa production plant, with Dublin liaising through its Mexican embassy to secure its return and the release of imprisoned managers. (Financial Times) Politics and elections International presidential trips made by Rodrigo Duterte Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte visits Israel, making him the first Philippines president to do so. (Tampa Bay)

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(Posted) RD: Conway Savage

Article: Conway Savage (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Daily
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Neutral Page needs better formatting, but the content and references are all there. Kingsif (talk) 23:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:06, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) National Museum of Brazil fire

Article: National Museum of Brazil fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A major fire destroys the National Museum of Brazil, one of the largest and oldest museums in the Americas. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters BBC UOL (in Portuguese)
Credits:

• Nominated by Jbribeiro1 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The article needs work, but it is (was) the most important museum in Brazil. José Luiz ^talk 02:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• support©Geni (talk) 03:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - The now-redirected target article is a bit thin, but reasonably well-referenced. The prose appears to be a bit awkward in a few spots. The notability of the fire event is high, from what I’m reading. Jusdafax (talk) 03:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support conditional on the article about the fire being the one bold linked in the blurb and not the museum which has some gaps in referencing and has not been adequately updated. This is a cultural catastrophe of epic proportions. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done. José Luiz ^talk 03:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support the event article is fully sourced and as complete as possible for a recent event. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 04:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Request Please add a image and help to improve the articles. @Stephen: Keep the original burb to give appropriate certification of notoriety to the context. ArionEstar (talk) 05:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The posted blurb is correct. Blurbs are for stating what happened, not defining the things they happened to. We have an encyclopedia around here somewhere to do that. —Cryptic 05:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
    • When disasters happen we try to have some quantification to say why its important (most often the death toll). Here it would be some type of monetary value but the article claims it is "invaluable". Only in consideration towards this it might be helpful to point to the "200-year old museum" (as NYTimes, BBC, and several other news sources all put that number in their headline), it gives an impression how significant this was (given that no one otherwise appeared hurt). --Masem (t) 06:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
      • That this was the National Museum of a country is surely significant enough? Stephen 06:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
        • @Stephen: Could you at least specify the city where the museum is located (“A fire destroys the National Museum of Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro”)? ArionEstar (talk) 10:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
          • Added, I noticed that too. --Tone 12:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
        • "National Museum" doesn't necessary convey the size or importance of the collection; not all "national museums" are of equal value. But this is only a minor suggestion, nothing to argue too deeply about. --Masem (t) 14:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
•  Question: It's clearly been significantly damaged, but has it been 'destroyed'? Maybe reword that? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 13:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

I think it was completely destroyed. See some pictures of aftermath here. José Luiz ^talk 14:04, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

It does seem completely destroyed, also  Question: could it be mentioned that the firefighters were tasked with rescuing artefacts before/during putting the fire out (especially because it was deemed uncontrollable)? It's seems like an interesting fact, or should that be put on DYK? (1 2) Kingsif (talk) 15:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

If an article has been on the main page in ITN, it is no longer eligible for DYK per WP:DYKRULES #1d. Regards SoWhy 07:36, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018 All-Ireland Football Final

Article: 2018 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Gaelic football, Dublin win the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, defeating Tyrone in the final. (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ Irish Times BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Stormy clouds (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R, but the article needs work, including a prose update, and sourcing. The article is now updated with a prose description of the game, and enhanced sourcing. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose well, per nom, we have no real summary of the final. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: - I have done my best to write one. Is that passable? Stormy clouds (talk) 22:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Seems okay to me, though the Tyrone All-Ireland Semi-Final is missing a "Report" link and the detail on scorers as the other games have. Hrodvarsson (talk) 02:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@Hrodvarsson: - issues outlined have been rectified. Stormy clouds (talk) 10:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 00:01, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ian Lariba

Article: Ian Lariba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipina Olympic table tennis player. Article is fully sourced, could perhaps use a little expansion but is probably sufficient for a career cut short by her death at 23 - Dumelow (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak support per nom. Could be expanded, but what's there is ok. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Sufficient for main page, sourced appropriately. MurielMary (talk) 22:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) 2018 Asian Games closing

Articles: 2018 Asian Games (talk · history · tag) and 2018 Asian Games closing ceremony (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 2018 Asian Games in Jakarta and Palembang, Indonesia, close, with China leading the medal tally. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2018 Asian Games close, with China leading the medal tally.
Credits:

• Nominated by Angga1061 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hddty. (talk · give credit), Bennv3771 (talk · give credit) and M R Karim Reza (talk · give credit)

First article updated, second needs updating

Nominator's comments: The closing ceremony article is very stub-y, so it definitely needs much work. Angga1061 (talk) 16:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Weak support this (I think) is the third time this event has been nominated here. My reservation in this instance comes from the lack of "in the news" I'm seeing. The article seems okay, and I'm certain there are hundreds of millions of Wikipedia readers who are aware of and interested in this, but ... it's just not ITN. But still, support weakly. And bonus points to the nominator for perseverance. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Fully agree that this is not the type of thing for ongoing, but as we do have for ITNR the opening of the Commonwealth games, I see no reason not to post a similarly Olympic-stylized multi-national event elsewhere as a one-time blurb (not ongoing). --Masem (t) 17:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment 2018 Asian Games closing ceremony should not be linked in the blurb in its current state. It was originally entirely unsourced, and though I've added one reference now, it is still not ready to be on the main page. Bennv3771 (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment If we go in line with the Olympics, we never post the medal tally in the blurb. So I don't think we should here either. --Tone 19:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

  Is that right? My memory fails. I'm sure I've seen blurbs for multi-sport contests where we note who topped the medal table, not the tally, just who topped out. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

  Ah, maybe if the target article is the closing ceremony we don't focus on the "winning" country, but if we're not mentioning that because the article is too lame, I don't think I see too much harm in noting the top of the leaderboard. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support the world's largest sporting event save for the olympics. Openlydialectic (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment I don't see anything special about the 2018 Asian Games as opposed to other Asian Games, so it's either notable enough for ITN/R or there is no reason why this particular one should be posted. I'm not opposed to this posting, just saying that if you support this posting you should probably propose to add it to ITN/R. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 19:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 00:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

September 1

Portal:Current events/2018 September 1

September 1, 2018 (2018-09-01) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Dahyan air strike, Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates say that the bombing of a school bus in Yemen by Saudi Arabian aircraft, which killed 51 people, was "unjustified". (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture Dignitaries gather at the memorial service for U.S. Senator John McCain at the Washington National Cathedral, at which former U.S. Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama are among those who eulogize McCain. (CNN) Disasters and accidents Utair Flight 579 Utair Flight 579 overruns the runway and catches fire while landing at Sochi International Airport, injuring 18 people. (BBC) International relations Bolivarian diaspora, Crisis in Venezuela, Venezuela–Colombia migrant crisis Colombia is preparing to declare an economic and social emergency in the region of La Guajira, which borders Venezuela. (La República)

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August 31

Portal:Current events/2018 August 31

August 31, 2018 (2018-08-31) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Donbass The leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, is killed in a blast at a café in Donetsk. (BBC) 2018 Amsterdam stabbing attack Two U.S. citizens are seriously wounded after a knife attack in Amsterdam Centraal station. The attacker was shot and wounded by the police. (The Telegraph) Arts and culture Catholic bishops in Australia reject a recommendation from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse that would force priests by law to report abuse to the police when they hear about it in confession. (Reuters) Business and economy The Coca-Cola Company agrees to buy British multinational coffeehouse Costa Coffee for £3.9 billion. (BBC) International relations Ahead of an expected U.S. announcement that it will cut all aid to the UNRWA, which supports more than 5 million registered Palestinian refugees, Germany calls on European Union states to help bridge the expected US$217 million deficit. Yesterday, Jordan made a similar appeal to the Arab League. (Ynetnews) The President of the unrecognized Republic of Transnistria, Vadim Krasnoselsky, announces a visit to Moldovan President Igor Dodon for talks on 6 September. (TASS) Crisis in Venezuela The European Union announces an aid package of €35 million ($40.6 million) for Venezuelans, both inside the country and for those displaced in neighbouring countries. (Yahoo News) Law and crime A court in Cambodia sentences Australian film director James Ricketson to six years in prison after he was found guilty of espionage for flying a drone at a Cambodia National Rescue Party rally. (Reuters) Politics and elections Summer Time in Europe The European Commission is proposing to end the practice of adjusting clocks by an hour in spring and autumn after a survey found most Europeans opposed it. The Commission proposal requires support from the 28 national governments and MEPs to become law. (BBC) Government of Jimmy Morales Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales announces that he will not renew the mandate of the International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala (CICIG) and orders the immediate transfer of functions to the Public Ministry and the Ministry of the Interior. The mandate of the UN anti-corruption commission ends on September 3, 2019. (Reuters) President Morales deploys the armed forces near the headquarters of the International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala. (ABC News) The third impeachment against President Jimmy Morales for illicit electoral financing during his electoral campaign in 2015, is discussed in the Congress. It is the third impeachment that was requested by the Attorney General and the CICIG. (Insight Crime) Brazilian general election, 2018 The Superior Electoral Court of Brazil rules that former President and Workers' Party (PT) presidential candidate Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva cannot run in the election because he does not qualify under the Clean Slate law. The Court also ruled that PT cannot run political ads featuring Lula. (The New York Times) Science and technology Trans Mountain Pipeline, Premiership of Justin Trudeau Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau reaffirms his support for the Trans Mountain expansion project after the Federal Court of Appeal rules suspension of the project. (Cheknews) (CBC CA)

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(Closed) RD: Amanda Kyle Williams

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Amanda Kyle Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.ajc.com/lifestyles/amanda-kyle-williams-best-selling-crime-writer-dies/cNzrcW3xQWnfluu31CAkYM/
Credits:

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fully referenced to reliable secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 10:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support - A short article, but the sourcing looks good to me. Kurtis ^(talk) 22:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Carole Shelley

Article: Carole Shelley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/carole-shelley-dead-one-pigeon-sisters-odd-couple-was-79-1139227
Credits:

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: sourced to secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 21:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Looks fine to me. Black Kite (talk) 21:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - Good to go. BabbaQ (talk) 23:48, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted) RD:Susan Brown (American actress)

Article: Susan Brown (American actress) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/susan-brown-dead-dies-general-hospital-1202924125/
Credits:

• Nominated by MurielMary (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Sourced to secondary sources MurielMary (talk) 10:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support Looks OK to me. There's one sentence in the Career section unsourced, though that's not a show-stopper. Black Kite (talk) 10:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support what Black Kite said. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

(Posted blurb) RD: Alexander Zakharchenko

Article: Alexander Zakharchenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  An explosion in Donetsk kills Alexander Zakharchenko, leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ An explosion in a café in Donetsk kills Alexander Zakharchenko, leader of the Donetsk People's Republic, (pictured) in an apparent assassination.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The leader of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko (pictured), is assassinated by bomb explosion in a café in Donetsk.
News source(s): The Independent, AP, BBC. Reuters, dpa
Credits:

• Nominated by Hameltion (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Appears to be well sourced. Added (20:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)) a blurb for your consideration. Conflicting narratives make the agent of the assassination unclear; also, should the DPR's support from Russia be noted? Hameltion (talk, contribs) 16:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support RD & support blurb - No immediately obvious issues with the article. It's very notable that the president of a major proto-state was assassinated. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 18:39, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb The assassination seems to be the main story here, and he was the sitting president of a self-proclaimed state. EternalNomad (talk) 18:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• I'm not against an ITN news blurb either because he was the most powerful figure leading the anti-Ukraine side of the Crisis in Ukraine and War in Donbass (other than Putin of course). I don't know if ITN treats states with limited recognition differently (which Donetsk is technically not listed as because we can't find its declaration of independence), but for the top ranking official of the insurgency to be assassinated is not insignificant. I've edited my comment to note that I'd support one if one was proposed. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 18:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support blurb not because of his importance but as an event (fingers are already being pointed to Russia). I think many already are calling this an assassination, and that's clearly news. To that end, I don't know if we have enough to support a separate article on the assignation as there's certainly going to be an investigation of this. --Masem (t) 19:07, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb Very important person in the Ukrainian crisis. --Bruzaholm (talk) 19:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Comment – I'm inclined to say RD only due to Zakharchenko's limited notability in the Eng.-lang. world, but since it's an assassination I won't oppose a blurb if one garners a consensus. (AP, BBC, Reuters, dpa added as sources above.) Sca (talk) 20:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Comment on proposal The proposed blurb is sufficient. In response to "should the DPR's support from Russia be noted?" I don't feel that this would be necessary as the users can read about that in the linked article; as someone who has frequented articles on entities with limited recognition, it seems excessive to describe in detail the belligerents of a territorial dispute if the subject isn't the territory or its dispute (for example, not every Abkhazia article needs to mention how it's recognized by some countries but not most of the UN and was supported by Russia in the war unless the article is about the history of the dispute). In this case, the news story is about how an explosion killed the president of a self-proclaimed republic. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 21:19, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Very notable death (possible assassination, and head-of-state of an un-recognized state). Davey2116 (talk) 21:47, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

support not because of the main nature of an unrecognized state but because of the potential for an uptick in war where its been somewhat frozen lately. Also don't need self-proclaimed as that should be on the DPR link.Lihaas (talk) 23:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Notable event in Eastern European history. Capitalistroadster (talk) 01:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb Zakharchenko is easily one of the most recognizable names from the Ukrainian crisis since 2014. Nice4What (talk) 09:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support blurb Death of a sitting head of state, the negative of "self-proclaimed" is countered by "likely assassinated". Kingsif (talk) 18:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Not ready while the "early life" section is missing refs --LaserLegs (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Updated source for birth date, remove the market salesman info as cannot find any source. Kingsif (talk) 21:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
• Ready The problems identified in the edits by LaserLegs have been fixed. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose there I go again, "obstructing" the speedy post of a sub par article about a "very important" subject by actually checking the refs in the article. I don't have time to check the whole thing, first paragraph in "political career" was sub-par enough for me. As for "importance" I'm seeing today Syria, Yemen, a stabbing in Amsterdam, but I don't see the assassination of the self-appointed leader of an unrecognized state. I'm clearly outnumbered there, but please, check the refs and don't post a puff piece. Thanks! --LaserLegs (talk) 21:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Concerns regarding quality can be addressed (and it appears that they already have been addressed), but I wouldn't agree with the rationale for lack of importance. I found no shortage of mainstream international coverage about this death. Zakharchenko was not self-appointed, and if you're finding no coverage then I'm not sure what sources you're using because we already have quite a few in the sources section of this nomination. I also don't see how it's a "puff piece." With all due respect, the way you worded that leads me to believe that the War in Donbass isn't an event that you personally follow, but that doesn't make it any less important internationally. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:35, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• I picked one paragraph and poked it full of holes, dunno or care about the rest, don't really care that much about the subject, just trying to keep BLP vios off the main page (WTF does an arrested "freelance journalist" have to do with human rights abuses in general or specifically with Zakharchenko?). $0.02 anyway this'll be posted in no time. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:13, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• That's reasonable, though my !vote remains support. ITN nominations tend to shine a spotlight on problems that not many would notice had they not been in the news, so it would be beneficial for editors to see what they can do to improve it whether it gets posted or not, but I don't see any major concerns as I go through the article, only minor tweaks that anyone could quickly fix. (by the way, I've removed the part about the freelance journalist, you're right that it didn't relate to Zakharchenko) Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:31, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• ReadyI've now done some more fixing on the page, for style and grammar. The sources seem reasonable enough, especially for a small barely-recognised Eastern European state. Kingsif (talk) 04:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Posted blurb. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

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