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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Current DYK

  • Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国", but "məθkʷəy̓" and not "Muthkwey"? Americanist phonetic notation is not written in English or the Latin alphabet, although some parts resemble it, and is unintelligible for probably more people here than Mandarin (or Cantonese or whichever is used). We don't use "Цэцэйхэн" for Checheyigen either, even though that one as well has some recognisable characters. Fram (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If this were about the title of the article, I would fully agree with you. However, given that this is a hook in DYK, and furthermore is the "quirky" hook as well, I'd be inclined not to say this is a hill to die on. Put it this way - there have been significantly more egregious liberties taken in the quirky slot over the years, that I'd be consider more worth fighting than this one...  — Amakuru (talk) 15:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the attitude that just makes these issues go on and on and on though... There is nothing "quirky" about a hook being unreadable for most readers, and there seems to be no reason why this is done in this case and not in others (and it is a good thing it isn't done in other cases). Fram (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    More generally, the article itself does not meet accessibility standards (MOS:OTHERLANG) and MOS:FORITA. Making the hook and article accessible for all readers, instead of most, seems a rather good hill to die on to me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Speaking of italics, {{lang}} doesn't automatically italicize Halkomelem-language text; AFAICT this is because it considers it to be written in a non-Latin script. If that's correct, then we need to transliterate it per MOS:NOTLATIN. Otherwise, it should be manually italicized. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've unpiped it.--Launchballer 23:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I think it should be wrapped in {{transliteration|hur}} now (displaying as muthkwey), per WP:DYKMOS § C10. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In which case the article itself also needs to be updated to match, and the above accessibility concerns addressed. If this needs more time, we can replace this and run it later.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be a good idea. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done  — Amakuru (talk) 23:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Amakuru @AirshipJungleman29 I'm confused about the status here. Your comments above make it sound like the hook was pulled, but it's in the currently live version of {{Did you know}} RoySmith (talk) 00:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You sure about that? I see "Buy Cash" as the final hook in the set.--Launchballer 00:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that China was once the "Kingdom of Bicycles"? in slot 5 RoySmith (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer maybe I'm just confused about which hook we're talking about. This thread started out with Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国". So are we not talking about the Kingdo of Bicycles hook? RoySmith (talk) 01:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fram:'s starting sentence is "Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国", but "məθkʷəy̓" and not "Muthkwey"?" and they then talk about the American phonetic alphabet, which "自行车王国" isn't written in.--Launchballer 01:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the thread does start by mentioning "King of Bicycles", but that's only because that was being used as a comparison as an example of something that had been transliterated. The actual hook under discussion was the muthkwey one, which is now replaced.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Next DYK

There probably shouldn't be two American hooks next to each other, so I'd swap it anyway.--Launchballer 00:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

Sherman's March to the Sea is POTD, so it should probably be swapped out on OTD (technically it's not the bold article on OTD, but it's still repetitive).:Jay8g [V•T•E] 03:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. I've swapped it out.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(November 15, today)
  • There are three redirects in the blurb
CJ E&M - pipe to CJ ENM Entertainment Division JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mnet Asian Music Awards - pipe to MAMA Awards JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Big Bang (band) - pipe to BigBang (South Korean band) (nb no space in band name) JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(November 18)
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General discussion

black governor

some people may find offensive the use of the term "black". it would be better to say: the first African american". thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.20.255.193 (talk) 20:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... some blacks don't like the term African American because it implies that they're not 100% American.
There's alot of discussion over the term "African American", does it include whites who were born in Africa an then moved to the US? Is it just for the descendants of slaves? In his 1963 "I Have a Dream" speech,[40] Martin Luther King, Jr. uses the terms Negro 15 times and black 4 times. Each time he uses black it is in parallel construction with white (e.g., black men and white men). He, a key figure in the African American civil rights movement, obviously had no problem with the word black.
I find the term black better, but perhaps this should be in errors above? Puchiko (Talk-email) 21:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually he's Caribbean-American.... Like Colin Powell (They both have at least one parent from Jamaica.) All of the Caribbean Media is buzzing about his roots actually.
CaribDigita (talk) 22:06, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's Paterson's ethnicity (not his nationality) that's relevant. "Black" isn't an ethnic slur; it's a mainstream term throughout the English-speaking world (and therefore has far greater international recognition than "African American" does). The term "black" is used self-descriptively by many civil rights groups and leaders, and we even have a Black History Month.
Note, however, that "black" is linked to the African American article, so that's covered. —David Levy 22:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But as stated above, he's Caribbean-American. So should it not link to that instead? crassic![talk] 22:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To what? —David Levy 09:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indo-Caribbean American, though I'm not sure if that would be 100% correct since I'm not aware of his full background. crassic![talk] 16:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that Paterson is of Afro-Caribbean descent, but we don't appear to have articles covering the relatively broad subjects of Afro-Caribbean or Afro-Caribbean American people. (And we have a Jamaican American article, but we don't have a Grenadian American article.)
Also, the blurb isn't about Paterson's Caribbean heritage; it's (partially) about him being black. We could link to Black people, but that would provide less relevant context. —David Levy 16:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The legal blindness issue is a bit tricky to cover in an ITN blurb. We could refer to him as the nation's second legally blind governor, but this wouldn't convey the fact that the first instance was practically a technicality. —David Levy 04:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am curious to ask which Black people did not come from Africa? I was under the impression that people from the Carribean were from Africa. Tourskin (talk) 05:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indigenous Australians and people from Papua New Guinea 69.129.145.210 (talk) 13:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, according to a very accepted theory, all humans originate from Africa. The key is how recent your African ancenstors must be to qualify as African American. Nobody knows. --Puchiko (Talk-email) 06:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I might be acting particularly dense, but how does one become legally blind? Is this just something that occurs in the USA? Either way, I don't think it's particularly good terminology. User:joy.discovery.invention —Preceding comment was added at 00:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not its not a USA thing. Some people find it hard to believe but Americans aren't dumb people who do dumb stuff. Legally blind means that according to the law, he is classified as disabled and his disability is with his eyesight - how clearer can one get with this term? He is blind and the law recognizes this for various administrative and legal reasons. Tourskin (talk) 04:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does not censor to avoid offending particular groups. That is all. Mac Davis (talk) 09:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, I don't think calling him African American would be censorship. It just wouldn't be a very descriptive term. --Puchiko (Talk-email) 13:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
His skin color IS noteworthy - why? Is it because we're racist bigots and are shocked to see such a skin color? No, its because its great that African Americans are given opportunities in government, and its great that we have another African American or Black governor. If you losers out there find those terms offensives thats too bad, because believe me black people are real and equal, as real and equal as white people. I'm not black nor really caucasian but I don't give a damn, what is being given a damn here at wikipedia is reliable noteworthy information, such is that the imbalance with race and society is slowly being balanced out, at least it is hoped that social inbalances are being undone. Tourskin (talk) 04:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

%s holds out of date copy

Does anyone purge %s after main page updates? I realise this is probably a nuisance, but I came to Wikipedia by that route today, while logged out, and got yesterday's page (3 hours after it should have updated). When I realised what had happened and purged the redirect page the new featured article and anniversary and news stories suddenly appeared. • Anakin (talk) 03:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a redirect -- most likely it's your browser cache that needs updating. See WP:CACHE for help. (BTW, what is this redirect even for??) howcheng {chat} 05:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently a bug/feature in the way the firefox search engine works Talk:%s Nil Einne (talk) 06:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Purging %s would do absolutely nothing. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's the browser cache because that's empty, and repeatedly Ctrl+F5'ing the page at %s doesn't bring in the new featured article. It's not until you purge it that the new one appears. • Anakin (talk) 03:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that the 'search' box should be moved higher up and be placed right under the Wikipedia logo. It would be an act of user-friendliness, as this box is often the first feature to be used when people visit the Main Page. Jean de Beaumont (talk) 10:47, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Who added a SECOND search box on main page??? It also seems to boasting - "Search Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". The place is very unusual....just below the all portal.... --gppande «talk» 12:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was User:Nat, and it's kind of bugging me too. --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 12:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it's bugging you then I will remove it... nat.utoronto 12:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm probably just so used to it on the side, it might actually be good for new readers. Random thought: How about a la google, and center it with the go button underneath? --ÐeadΣyeДrrow (Talk - Contribs) 12:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see it is removed now, my concern is there should not two search boxes as it confuses everybody. My initial thought was the search box is for different portals of WP. But it wasn't that. --gppande «talk» 13:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can remember, this subject has been occasionally been discussed from time to time for the past couple of years, but there never ever has been a consensus to add one. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct. Many users (including me) have opined that the addition of a redundant search box to the top of the main page would be bad for readers; they might be confused regarding its purpose (as Gppande noted above) or expect its presence on every page (and become frustrated when it vanishes after their first search).
Additionally, it's entirely illogical in the Classic and Cologne Blue skins (which already feature a search box at the top of every page). —David Levy 15:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a search box on the main page, use Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (Search Box) (feel free to fix/update it too), or one of the other Wikipedia:Main Page alternatives. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone gets so anal when a new change is proposed. Tourskin (talk) 03:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some people would prefer that the main page looked like Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (Italian-style). Not everyone can be satisfied. How was your comment helpful again? -- Quiddity (talk) 19:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How was yours, other than a snide counter comment, which has incited me to reciprocate? My point was for everyone to be a little less conservative.Tourskin (talk) 05:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clutter-free Main Page?

Could we have a clutter-free main page for mobile devices, or has this already been asked and rejected? By 'mobile devices' I'm referring to the too-small displays on PDA's and the like. I sure would like to be able to get to Wikipedia on my mobile phone without having to navigate through myriad articles just to get to Search. N6gn (talk) 13:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Main Page alternatives. BTW, the main page is not primarily intended to be a search space. If you are looking solely for a search space, you should head to Special:Search or [1] or alternative just add wikipedia to your browser's built in search function (which most modern full featured browsers have), whether you are using a mobile device or a full featured browser on a PC Nil Einne (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You may also want to try http://wapedia.mobi/en/ Zzyzx11 (Talk) 14:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wapedia.mobi/en/ is exactly what I wanted. Thanks for the patient response to a basic question. N6gn (talk) 15:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, wapedia is mentioned at Main Page alternatives Nil Einne (talk) 11:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to change the coding of Main Page

Hey y'all, I just want to propose that we change the coding of the main page to that of this proposal. It uses two template: {{Main Page Body}} and {{Main Page Header}} . They basically replace the coding currently used on the main page, essentially giving the edit page a cleaner look. Plus it reduces the size of the page. nat.utoronto 20:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well... it actually increases the size of the page because you have to download your two template headers, and the code that was origionally there, as there being transcluded onto it. 64.236.217.23 (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The size from a user download point of view is the fully substed forms of every template on the page, so it has no efficiency gain. Also, make proposals, certainly, but it's generally a good idea to wait for responses before making the changes. Orderinchaos 20:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
64.236.217.23 the size of the page actually reduces, look at the history it was 4,712 bytes, with the modifications it is reduced to 1,912 bytes. nat.utoronto 20:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly. It's 18,072 in the original and 17,303 in your version - a 769 byte saving, and 5 extra processes to handle the templates. The raw size is what we measure from user efficiency point of view Orderinchaos 20:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The IP was talking about user download I believe, that is what's more important in the long term. ☯Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 00:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any benefits to this. It obfuscates the coding of the main page. There is no reason to modularize a page into templates if the templates are not being used on multiple pages. If there are specific changes that can be made to decrease the final html output of the main page without breaking it into templates, explain them here. --- RockMFR 03:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't this adversly effect the cascading protection also? ☯Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 09:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
what do you mean by "adversly effect the cascading protection"? nat.utoronto 14:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It won't, as the templates would be protected just like everything else on the main page, as would anything linked in the templates. ffm 14:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Main Page balance

Right now, the main page looks like crap. The ITN is way too long and it's offsetting the entire page. I suggest that someone takes down the bottom 2 news stories, that'll even things up, I think. Benjamin Scrīptum est - Fecī 01:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can propose some trimming at WP:ERRORS. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 06:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK picture

I know Wikipedia is not censored...but do we purposefully pick the most provocative picture for the DYK -- I mean, was the current picture the highest quality license-free illustrative item, or was it merely picked to make people squawk? 199.89.180.65 (talk) 04:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A 100 pixel naked lady made you squawk? It's art, dude. 144.137.197.167 (talk) 04:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I picked the image of the Courbet because it was the highest-quality image available for that day's submissions (excluding one that's been earmarked for the Easter weekend), and also because it accompanies an interesting hook. As I recall, the only competition was: , which is not only a poor-quality image, it also lacks information on the author. I don't think it can possibly be considered provocative at 100x100 pixels; despite the caption of erotic art, it's not exactly what I'd call provocative even at full size. To be honest, it never even crossed my mind that it might cause people to squawk. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It looks fine to me. Mac Davis (talk) 07:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Two Major Omissions for "On This Day"

Today, Friday March 21st, 2008, is not just Good Friday. It's also Holi, the Indian festival of colors which celebrates Krishna's divine play with Radha, and the birthday of the Prophet Muhammad! Why haven't these major religious festivals also been mentioned alongside Good Friday? That's over 2 billion people's professed religious observance ignored! --59.93.222.16 (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As stated in the Holi article (to which you linked), it's tomorrow. —David Levy 06:19, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Holi's being celebrated all across Bengal and elsewhere in India. Much has been made of the fact that the Parsi new year, Navroz, Good Friday, Holi, and Muhammad's birthday are all taking place on the same day. Holi celebrations are spread out over several days, but it began today on the 21st. Also, it's extremely odd that an extremely young religion like Bah'ai is mentioned as celebrating Navroz/Nawruz while Parsis/Zoroastrians are ignored when Bah'aists in fact co-opted said celebration from the far older Zoroastrian religion. See the following link for a newstory from a respected paper, Chicago Tribune, confirming what I'm saying.

[2] --59.93.222.16 (talk) 07:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I should mention that there are two days being cited by some Indians for the start of Holi... "Bihari Holi" is on the 22nd whereas many tens of millions of other Indians have claimed the 21st... major newspapers in India, like the Telegraph, have also reported the 21st as the date for Holi this year. --59.93.222.16 (talk) 07:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please remember that the main page usually defers to supporting pages. So please refer/edit/modify/discuss/cite those relevant holiday articles before requesting a change to the main page templates Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/March 20, Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/March 21, and Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/March 22. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the holidays you mentioned are in fact on one of those three templates – they have not been completely ignored – so the problem is which articles need the dates corrected. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pixies picture

Joey Santiago.

The image used to illustrate the Pixies on the main page today is unfortunate. It's a Flickr photo taken of the band's guitarist in 2005, hardly contemporaneous with the main page article which was their 1988 debut album. Why wasn't an image of the album used? Tempshill (talk) 06:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The short answer is that images tagged as fair use are not allowed on the main page. See also [3] and Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Why is a Main Page section missing an illustrative image? Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 07:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--86.147.200.135 (talk) 17:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or at least a photo of the band like on the Pixies pageMjpresson (talk) 22:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no photo of the band on the Pixies band beyond media used under fair use Nil Einne (talk) 09:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Surfer Rosa on the Main Page

Today's Main Page summary of the featured article is confusing. It refers to "either country" without having clearly indicated what those countries might be. This edit in the article itself appears to fix things. Can some do the same for the Main Page summary? Cheers.--86.149.55.198 (talk) 08:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I've clarified it somewhat. Thanks for pointing it out. CloudNine (talk) 10:54, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. You know, I've seen a number of errors in Main Page summaries of featured articles in the past few months. It makes me wonder how closely they are checked. Cheers.--86.147.200.135 (talk) 16:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore...I've just realised someone highlighted the same problem earlier today - in "Errors in the summary of Today's featured article on the Main Page". So it took over four hours to fix an obvious problem. I am quite supportive of the Wikipedia project, so I'm not happy that errors in such a prominent place (a) slip through and (b) hang around for some time.--86.147.200.135 (talk) 17:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Blame the Easter long weekend. Many admins are away for fun / family / religious reasons. --74.14.16.124 (talk) 18:39, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to help out, you can always monitor Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (Tomorrow and Next DYK) and WP:ITN/Candidates and try to catch errors early. -- 128.104.112.85 (talk) 00:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

error on the main page

Moved to WP:ERRORS ffm 14:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-cat bias (or: I can haz bias?)

The main page has far too few cats. This is clearly sign of an anti-cat bias. It needs MOAR CATZ! Ceiling Cat (talk) 19:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hasn't been funny in months, today is no exception, no offence intended, simply stating the fact. ☯Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 20:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that's primarily the fault of the dude who manages the main page's featured article section. Ceiling Cat should probably pee in his shoes. Joe 01:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm scared of cats. • Anakin (talk) 03:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Aesthetic changes

Anyone think that the links after the main page FA sample should be enclosed in something like this, below?

Today's featured article
Reese Witherspoon in October 2006
Reese Witherspoon in October 2006
Reese Witherspoon is an American actress who has established herself as one of the highest-paid Hollywood actresses in recent years. Witherspoon landed her first feature role as the female lead in the movie The Man in the Moon in 1991; later that year she made her television acting debut, in the cable movie Wildflower. In 1996, Witherspoon's performance in Freeway established her as a rising star and led to roles in three major 1998 movies: Overnight Delivery, Pleasantville, and Twilight. The following year, Witherspoon appeared in the critically acclaimed Election, which earned her a Golden Globe nomination. 2001 marked her career's turning point with the breakout role as Elle Woods in the box office hit Legally Blonde, and in 2002 she starred in Sweet Home Alabama, which became her biggest commercial film success to date. 2003 saw her return as lead actress and executive producer of Legally Blonde 2. In 2005, Witherspoon received worldwide attention and praise for her portrayal of June Carter Cash in Walk the Line, which earned her an Academy Award, a Golden Globe and a Screen Actors Guild Award for Best Actress. Witherspoon owns a production company named Type A Films. (more...)



Featured article links: Archive – By email – More featured articles...

I think it looks better. Any comments? Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 08:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe this:
Today's featured article
Reese Witherspoon in October 2006
Reese Witherspoon in October 2006
Reese Witherspoon is an American actress who has established herself as one of the highest-paid Hollywood actresses in recent years. Witherspoon landed her first feature role as the female lead in the movie The Man in the Moon in 1991; later that year she made her television acting debut, in the cable movie Wildflower. In 1996, Witherspoon's performance in Freeway established her as a rising star and led to roles in three major 1998 movies: Overnight Delivery, Pleasantville, and Twilight. The following year, Witherspoon appeared in the critically acclaimed Election, which earned her a Golden Globe nomination. 2001 marked her career's turning point with the breakout role as Elle Woods in the box office hit Legally Blonde, and in 2002 she starred in Sweet Home Alabama, which became her biggest commercial film success to date. 2003 saw her return as lead actress and executive producer of Legally Blonde 2. In 2005, Witherspoon received worldwide attention and praise for her portrayal of June Carter Cash in Walk the Line, which earned her an Academy Award, a Golden Globe and a Screen Actors Guild Award for Best Actress. Witherspoon owns a production company named Type A Films. (more...)


That version looks even better to me. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 08:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather object that. Even if we don't take deprecated ugly <br />s into account (that is up to the implementation, not to the apperance), enclosing these in such bright frames will distract readers. Making font smaller is good, but I don't like this frame. (And please be more accurate this time: <h2>s get their entry in TOC). — Kalan ? 08:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Think making the frames less striking would help? By lightening the colours, perhaps? Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 08:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I've tried this in preview before posting my opinion ;) No, four edges look worse than current version, whatever brightness they have. But a single line (border-top or border-bottom in CSS) with light colors may be useful. — Kalan ? 08:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My main goal is to distinguish that text from that of the FA preview. How would this line you suggest look? Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 09:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Or, alternately, could I keep that last format I suggested and move the second and bottom text sections to the far right side? That way, they'd be out of the way and it shouldn't be unobtrusive. I'd try doing this but I suck at wikicode. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 09:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Something like this:
Today's featured article
Reese Witherspoon in October 2006
Reese Witherspoon in October 2006

Reese Witherspoon is an American actress who has established herself as one of the highest-paid Hollywood actresses in recent years. Witherspoon landed her first feature role as the female lead in the movie The Man in the Moon in 1991; later that year she made her television acting debut, in the cable movie Wildflower. In 1996, Witherspoon's performance in Freeway established her as a rising star and led to roles in three major 1998 movies: Overnight Delivery, Pleasantville, and Twilight. The following year, Witherspoon appeared in the critically acclaimed Election, which earned her a Golden Globe nomination. 2001 marked her career's turning point with the breakout role as Elle Woods in the box office hit Legally Blonde, and in 2002 she starred in Sweet Home Alabama, which became her biggest commercial film success to date. 2003 saw her return as lead actress and executive producer of Legally Blonde 2. In 2005, Witherspoon received worldwide attention and praise for her portrayal of June Carter Cash in Walk the Line, which earned her an Academy Award, a Golden Globe and a Screen Actors Guild Award for Best Actress. Witherspoon owns a production company named Type A Films. (more...)

We would have to introduce similar lines to other blocks (In the news, Featured picture, etc) to make it look not so lonely there.
— Kalan ? 09:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My personal opinion is that looks a bit "wonky". -Halo (talk) 10:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean free space between "recently featured" and rightmost links? — Kalan ? 19:24, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite fond of the idea if not the actual implementation, but remove the br tags and change the margin instead. The other parts of the page would need to be changed to look similar. Perhaps a project should begin on a main page refresh, since there seems to be interest in it. -Halo (talk) 10:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps using the colour #e1f8ed would be useful, as that's the average colour between the background and the title. -Halo (talk) 11:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kalan's version looks great to me, and I guess an overhaul would be good, though I was mainly looking at the FA section for now. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 11:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stray div

Is there a stray <div> somewhere in the above TFA mock-ups? Why is there an indent on the left? --199.71.174.100 (talk) 01:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. — Kalan ? 04:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese bias on the Main Page? Taiwan Go Bragh!

Do we really want photos of TWO Presidents of the Republic of China on the Main Page, a newly elected one on ITN, and an old one on OTD, at the same time? --199.71.174.100 (talk) 01:10, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, why the hell not!Tourskin (talk) 02:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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