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Justin Welby Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) announces his resignation as a result of the John Smyth abuse scandal in the Church of England. In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed in a vehicle-ramming attack. Alliance for Change, led by Navin Ramgoolam, wins the Mauritian general election. A suicide bombing by the Balochistan Liberation Army at the Quetta railway station, Pakistan, kills 32 people. The German ruling coalition collapses over disagreements on economic policies. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Daim Zainuddin Jürgen Becker Christine Görner Timothy West Barbara Aland Johannes Beutler view — page history — related changes — edit

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February 4

Portal:Current events/2023 February 4

February 4, 2023 (2023-02-04) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks High-altitude object events in 2023 2023 Chinese balloon incident The Federal Aviation Administration closes the airspace off the east coast of the United States, and suspends arrivals at Myrtle Beach International Airport, Charleston International Airport, and Wilmington International Airport after President Joe Biden orders the high-altitude balloon to be shot down over the Atlantic Ocean. (Euro Weekly News) The high-altitude balloon is shot down by a United States Air Force F-22 Raptor over the Atlantic Ocean at 2:39 PM EST. An operation to collect the remnants of the balloon in U.S. territorial waters is currently underway. It is the first time that an aircraft has been shot down in the United States since World War II. (AP) (CNN) Disasters and accidents At least 16 people are killed and 66 others are injured in a multiple-vehicle collision along a highway in Changsha, Hunan, China. (AFP via The Straits Times) Nine sailors are missing after their fishing vessel capsizes off the coast of Sinan County, South Jeolla Province, South Korea. President Yoon Suk-yeol has deployed the coast guard to conduct an air-sea rescue for the missing people. (AFP via Oman Daily Observer) Two people are killed and three others are injured by an avalanche in Raghistan District, Badakhshan Province, Afghanistan. (5DariyaNews) Health and environment February 2023 North American cold wave Mount Washington in New Hampshire, United States, records the lowest wind chill temperature in the country at −108 °F (−78 °C). (AFP via Manila Bulletin)

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February 3

Portal:Current events/2023 February 3

February 3, 2023 (2023-02-03) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Tigray War Tigrayan peace process Ethiopian prime minister Abiy Ahmed meets with officials of the Tigray People's Liberation Front for the first time since the signing of a peace treaty in November. (AFP via RFI) Business and economy The FTSE 100 Index, the main share index of the 100 most highly capitalized companies listed on the London Stock Exchange, reaches a record intraday value of 7,906.58 points, surpassing the previous highest intraday value of 7,903.50 points recorded on May 22, 2018. (AFP via Barron's) Disasters and accidents 2023 Chile wildfires Chile expands its state of emergency due to wildfires that have killed at least 23 people and burned up to 8,000 hectares and also declares a catastrophe in the Biobío region amid a summer heat wave. (Reuters) Three people are killed and several others are injured when a bus overturns near Murska Sobota, Prekmurje, Slovenia. (AP) At least seventeen people are killed in a head-on collision between a bus and a truck in Kohat District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) 2023 Ohio train derailment A train carrying 20 cars of hazardous material derailed in East Palestine, Ohio. The material was burned, which released hydrogen chloride and phosgene into the air, causing an evacuation of all residents within a one-mile radius of the crash and an emergency response across three states. International relations High-altitude object events in 2023 2023 Chinese balloon incident China–United States relations The United States accuses China of "a clear violation of sovereignty" after a suspected meteorological high altitude balloon is noted hovering over Montana. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken postpones his official visit to Beijing, initially scheduled for February 5, in response to the incident. (The Independent) (The Guardian) (Al Jazeera) The United States Department of Defense reports that a second high altitude balloon has been discovered flying over Latin America. (NBC News) Law and crime Corruption in South Korea A court in South Korea sentences former justice minister Cho Kuk to two years in prison after convicting him on charges of abuse of power and for helping his children enter prestigious schools using fake credentials. (The Washington Post) Science and technology The Brazilian Navy scuttles the decommissioned aircraft carrier São Paulo into the Atlantic Ocean, following the rejections of injunctions from the Ministry of the Environment and the Federal Public Ministry. (AFP via RFI)

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RD: Paco Rabanne

Article: Paco Rabanne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some cleanup and sourcing work Mooonswimmer 20:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) The balloon goes up

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A Fu-Go balloon in California

Article: 2023 Chinese spy balloon incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A suspicious balloon is tracked across North America (Post)
News source(s): BBC; CNN; NYT;
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We like shooting things down but President Biden has been advised not to do this. No-one is quite sure what it is so possibilities include arson, intelligence; invasion; research; rover, weather and more. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Unsure about the article yet, I think it will need a bit more work before it's ready. The image doesn't seem appropriate at all: an image of a balloon of the same design might be acceptable, but a WWII Japanese balloon does not work for us here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• The image is mainly a placeholder as I expect we'll get a free image as and when it gets near a Wikipedian. But also, as an encyclopedia, we have lots of material about historical precedents and it's good to air it on such occasions. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• I love that argument and I agree that it would be great. I am worried about lots of implications in comparing this incident with Emperial Japan sending a balloon to the US in the middle of a war. We shouldn't suggest the two incidents are equivalent, I believe. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• It appears that China and the US are engaged in a Second Cold War. See also Chinese espionage in the United States. This also reminds me of the 1960 U-2 incident and it's conceivable that it could have come from Russia. It will be interesting to see if it's captured... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• A cold war is not comparable to a war with a lot of active fighting. This doesn't at all diminish the notability of an incident like this, but comparing espionage with direct attacks can create undue fear. This balloon is not going to drop bombs. The U2 incident might be a better comparison, but that would feel like an even odder image to include. Unless we had a tradition of linking news items back to past events, which would've been nice maybe... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

  It appears that the US is working on its own balloons too. Apparently these are to counter hypersonic weapons -- who knew? The plot thickens... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Wait -- unless this actually develops into something, I don't think this is (yet) appropriate for ITN. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 10:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now it’s anecdotal and, as you well know Andrew, this kind of things are not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• It's currently the top read story on the BBC and is apparently all over Chinese social media too. For a European connection which you may appreciate see a favourite song of mine: "The President is on the line..." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

  I guess you may have noticed by now that not every "top read story on the BBC" is ITNR-worthy, as this is not a news paper. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Of course this is a newspaper. The offical signaling from the Pentagon makes it clear this is sn important story. I do think we need a closer awareness of journalistic practice on Wikipedia. No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not WP:NOTNP. Btw, the Department of Defense statement reads: "Ryder said the balloon is well above commercial air traffic and doesn't pose a threat to civil aviation. He also said this isn't the first time such a balloon has been seen over the United States", and "Currently, we assess that this balloon has limited additive value from an intelligence collective collection perspective," the official said. "But we are taking steps, nevertheless, to protect against foreign intelligence collection of sensitive information."

Another case of American overdramatization for everything. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

I also don't understand the purpose of including a photo of a Fu-Go balloon bomb when the purpose of the "suspicious balloon" has not even been confirmed. Let's not alarm. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Support - official signaling from the Pentagon is probably indicative of this story's noteworthiness. Crusader1096 (talk) 12:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now. Currently this is just an accusation. No-one has demonstrated that the balloon is Chinese or has any nefarious purpose. Even if they did, it will need to spark a major diplomatic incident to justify posting in ITN. I'm willing to reconsider if this starts having major impacts. Modest Genius ^talk 12:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Doesn't seem to have any significance at this time. A country detecting the spycraft of another country happens every once in a while, nothing ever comes of it. Even then, I strongly oppose the use of an unrelated image. Might as well use File:Birthday balloons.jpg. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 13:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Wait This story has to develop, its not appropriate for posting, nor closing yet. Vriend1917 (talk) 13:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The story is "An balloon of unknown origin is being tracked". The article text says the same thing, but with a lot more words. There's not enough about this story to support a blurb if we don't have anything worthwhile to say. --Jayron32 14:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - per above, and, unless sit actually develops into anything major, the news is not ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is currently a curiosity, rather than a major incident. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose and close - NYT announced over the wire that China claims it's a civilian balloon. Since it wasn't shot down and there's no contrary evidence, there's nothing left to analyzed. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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February 2

Portal:Current events/2023 February 2

February 2, 2023 (2023-02-02) (Thursday) Disasters and accidents Eight construction workers are killed near Sevastopol, Crimea, in an overnight fire at a barracks. (Reuters) Health and environment 2020–2023 H5N8 outbreak The UK Health Security Agency confirms that avian influenza has crossed over to several wild mammals, including foxes, otters and seals. The agency says that the risk to humans remains very low, however, there will now be more "targeted surveillance" and testing of animals. (BBC News) International relations Israel–Sudan relations Israel–Sudan normalization agreement Israel and Sudan announce the finalisation of a deal to normalize relations between the two countries. (Reuters) High-altitude object events in 2023 2023 Chinese balloon incident The United States Department of Defense monitors a high-altitude balloon from China flying over Montana. The Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry says the balloon is used for civilian meteorological research and had drifted off-course due to unexpected weather. (AFP via NDTV) (The Guardian) Philippines–United States relations The Philippines permits the U.S. Armed Forces access to an additional four military bases, thereby expediting the full implementation of the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement. (AFP via France 24) Law and crime War on terror The United States releases Majid Khan from the Guantanamo Bay prison and transfers him to Belize. Khan had been captured in 2003 in Pakistan and was being held on accusations of helping al-Qaeda. (Reuters) Politics and elections Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament Two MEPs, Andrea Cozzolino and Marc Tarabella, have their legal immunity revoked by European Union lawmakers amid an investigation into money laundering and bribery. (BBC News)

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RD: Glória Maria

Article: Glória Maria (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): G1 globo
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DanGFSouza (talk · give credit) and Rkieferbaum (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian television personality. Quite close, only some source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: John Zizioulas

Article: John Zizioulas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Othodoxia News Agency
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Theologian1234 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Greek orthodox theologian and bishop. Source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jean-Pierre Jabouille

Article: Jean-Pierre Jabouille (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Formula One racing driver. His engineering expertise helped bring the turbo engine into Formula One with Renault. Two Grand Prix victories. Article needs work though... Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: K. Viswanath

Article: K. Viswanath (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Indian Express,
Credits:

• Nominated by Strike Eagle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian director and recipient of highest Indian cinematic honours. Article looks to be in decent shape. ƬheStrikeΣagle 22:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Support. Looks thoroughly cited. Comprehensive details on his career. One messy line at the end of the "Television" section, hopefully someone will fix that soonish. Tbh, he probably needs a separate filmography page but that's not relevant to RD. e.b. (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Support Looks important enough for me. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Importance does not matter at all for RD. Curbon7 (talk) 01:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Support. Article looks good. Thanks, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 03:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Lanny Poffo

Article: Lanny Poffo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, WWE
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wrestler and brother of the Macho Man. Article needs ref work. The Kip (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Richard Woolcott

Article: Richard Woolcott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canberra Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article not too good, but at least it is (now) fully referenced Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Support Good condition, ready to be posted. Vriend1917 (talk) 21:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support A bit rough, but sufficient for our purposes. Article is well-cited and holistic. Curbon7 (talk) 10:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 17:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support, well-sourced, good to go. Tails Wx 18:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

February 1

Portal:Current events/2023 February 1

February 1, 2023 (2023-02-01) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine A Russian Iskander-K ballistic missile destroys an apartment complex in Kramatorsk, Donetsk Oblast, killing at least three people and injuring 20 others, according to local officials. (Reuters) Kivu conflict M23 offensive M23 insurgents capture the town of Kitshanga in North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, after days of heavy fighting. The DRC army confirms the withdrawal of its troops from the town, saying that it was a "tactical move to protect civilians". (Al Jazeera) Syrian civil war Northwestern Syria clashes Eight soldiers are killed near Kafr Rumah in Idlib Governorate by Tahrir al-Sham militants. (AFP via Barron's) 2018–2023 Haitian crisis Jamaican Prime Minister Andrew Holness says that his government is willing to send troops to Haiti as part of a "multinational security assistance deployment". (Reuters) Business and economy Lebanese liquidity crisis The central bank of Lebanon devalues the Lebanese pound by 90% amid an ongoing financial crisis. (Reuters) 2021–present United Kingdom cost of living crisis More than 500,000 workers across multiple public sectors go on strike in the United Kingdom, forcing thousands of schools to close and many services to be delayed or cancelled, amid disputes over pay and working conditions. It is the largest industrial action in the UK since 2010. (CNBC) 2021–2023 inflation surge U.S. payment service provider PayPal announces that it will cut around 2,000 jobs, about 7% of its workforce, citing the "challenging macro-economic environment". (BBC News) Disasters and accidents January 31 – February 2, 2023 ice storm Eight people are killed by a winter storm in Texas, United States. (NBC News) Two people are injured after a magnitude 6 earthquake hits Monkayo, Davao de Oro, Philippines. (GMA News Online) One person is injured after a magnitude 4.4 earthquake hits Banjar, West Java, Indonesia. (Kompas.com) Three people are killed and 32 others are injured after a fire in a hospital in Cairo, Egypt. (AP) Health and environment Western Australian radioactive capsule incident A search team from the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation and WA Fire and Emergency Services announces that they have found the missing caesium-137 capsule around 74 km (46 mi) south of Newman. (ABC News Australia) The East Epi submarine volcano in Vanuatu erupts for the first time since 2004, sending ash 90 meters into the air, with a 10 kilometer radius danger zone. (The Washington Post) (RNZ) Law and crime Four people are killed and five others are injured after a mass shooting in KwaMashu, Durban, South Africa. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2021–2023 Myanmar civil war 2023 Myanmar general election Two years after Myanmar's military overthrew the country's democratically-elected government, the State Administration Council extends the country's state of emergency for another six months, thereby postponing the general election initially scheduled for August 1. (AFP via France 24) Science and technology Long-period comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) makes its closest approach to Earth after reaching its perihelion on January 12. (ABC News)

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(Closed) Tom Brady retires (again)

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Article: Tom Brady (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tom Brady (pictured), retires from American football. (Post)
News source(s): Tom Brady's Instagram
Credits:

• Nominated by WimePocy (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 2nd time now. Can he beat Favre? Cheers. WimePocy 14:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support. I'm sure this will be the last time. He said so, for real this time.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• By the way, feel free to add more sources as they come in. Cheers. WimePocy 14:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Fool me once... We don'tshouldn't post athlete retirements for this exact reason. Curbon7 (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose thus demonstrating the follies of posting sports retirements. --Masem (t) 14:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for the same reason Brady’s retirement was opposed last time. Retirements often aren’t. Status Quo did their farewell tour in 1984. Humbledaisy (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose (again) :D --Tone 14:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, though I suppose it might start to get notable if he does it about ten times. Black Kite (talk) 14:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support As it is obviously for real this time. We do in fact post sports retirements as we have previously posted Alex Ferguson and Sachin Tendulkar. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  As I've said before, as soon as Lionel Messi announces his retirement, WP:ITN will bend over backwards to make sure he's given the picture blurb treatment within hours of the announcement, because "association football is a different beast". ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with WaltCip here. Not that I support (or oppose; I know nothing about American football) this nomination, but oppose !votes that oppose "because we don't post retirements" will most probably support Messi's or Ronaldo's "because they're legendary GOATs of the game." The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  I'm consistent. When it comes that time, I will still oppose. Curbon7 (talk) 15:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Ditto. The only retirement I can remember supporting was Benedict XVI's which was a little different. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  You know, just because you screw something up once, doesn't mean you're required to screw it up forever. "We did this before so we must do it every time" is a bad rationale for that reason. --Jayron32 15:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  I don't believe we did "screw up" but you are of course entitled to that opinion. I wanted to correct the assertions above that "we don't do it" in case anyone was misled.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not the sort of stories we should post in the ITN section. Amounts to inconsequential celebrity gossip. --Jayron32 15:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - he already retired once ... he could come out of retirement again. Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. We don't post retirements for a lot of reasons. Case in point. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose just no, just no, we all know he'll probably come back. he ain't fooling me again. TomMasterReal^TALK 16:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose even as someone who adamantly believes that sports retirements are ITN worthy. I think we made a mistake not posting this last time, un-retirement or not, but per the above "fool me once..." comments, I'm not inclined to believe this one lasts and therefore am not going to die on the hill of a "support" here. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose How can we make sure that this time is for real NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Sports retirements are ITN-worthy IMO, but a) Brady has "retired" before, and b) the source given doesn't really prove significance. DecafPotato (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Per all above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF)

Article: C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A green comet (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured) makes its closest approach to Earth
Alternative blurb II: ​ Green comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Earth.
News source(s): Guardian; Independent; NYT;BBC;Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by C messier (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Drbogdan (talk · give credit) and Kheider (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It was previously suggested that this should appear at the time of closest approach and that's now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support, post immediately - As consensus has been reached in the previous discussion that we should post now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support and support posting immediately due to how time-sensitive this is. Good article, strong coverage today in reliable sources. DFlhb (talk) 10:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. I don't see what has changed since the last nomination a week ago, which ended as no consensus. This comet is not ITNR, it isn't visible to anyone who doesn't have a pair of binoculars (unless they live in an area with no light pollution at all) and knows exactly where to look, and being green isn't unusual. The article is OK but nothing more than that. There has been a bit of media coverage but largely restricted to the science sections. Modest Genius ^talk 11:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• The previous nomination was not closed; it just scrolled off after there were lots of !votes of "Wait". So, we've waited. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Astronomical items are not required to be ITN/R in order to be newsworthy or ITN-worthy, otherwise nothing would ever get posted except for great comets. It would make for a rather limited pool of science stories. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• @WaltCip: I agree that items don't have to be on ITNR to be posted. I was disagreeing with the 'intr=yes' parameter that was set in the nomination template. Modest Genius ^talk 17:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• The previous one had a number of people preferring this to be posted on Feb 1, which is today. As one of those people, I strongly support posting immediately. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Magnitude 5 is pretty bright. It should be visible in the outskirts of major cities, under moonless skies. Perhaps we should include some instructions for viewing in the blurb? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Strong support posting immediately because it is the closest approach now. - azpineapple (need help? 12:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Neutral – I suggested a wait last time, but that was also because the quality of the article didn't seem up to par yet, and this hasn't changed since. The lack of bare-eye visibility (0.3 AU is quite far away) makes this a somewhat hard sell. It's probably fine to post but none of this makes me particularly excited. I still approve of the main blurb as the optimal choice. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Comets are not near-Earth asteroids, 0.28 AU isn't far if the comet releases enough gas and dust. A comet reached magnitude 3-4 in the 18th century and never even reached 3 AU from Earth or 4 AU from Sun. Halley's Comet would be 4.9 magnitudes brighter than this if both were 1 AU from Sun and observer was thought experimentally on the Sun (the standard apples-to-apples brightness comparison of solar system science because full asteroid is much brighter than thin crescent asteroid and comets obviously get dim very fast as they get further from the Sun (if they get very very close they sometimes even explode and "release all the brightness at once")). And Halley happens every c. 76 years. Hale-Bopp would be even brighter. The 1700s comet would be 13.4 magnitudes brighter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• It is easily visible under moonless skies, with little light pollution. It's at magnitude 5 right now, which, while not incredibly bright, is still just about visible from my location in the outer suburbs of a city of 14 million people.

  Also, I'm pushing for us to diversify the stories we post from just being changes in heads of state or X tragedy kills Y people PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support, though I think the blurb should both say the official comet name and that it is a green comet. I don't think it requires that everyone on earth be able to see it with the naked eye (eg, clearly urban centers have too much background light to do so) but as long as it is some appreciable fraction that have the potential to see it, its a good idea to post. Article appears to be in good shape. --Masem (t) 13:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Proposed alt2. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Support alt2 (or the base blurb). Oppose alt1. DFlhb (talk) 14:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support It was a bit silly that it didn't get posted last week, but c'est la vie. Just because an event is not ITN/R doesn't prevent us from posting if it is particularly newsworthy, as this one is. Curbon7 (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Pending quality checks of course. Curbon7 (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support posting immediately, noting that of course if it doesn't get posted today, then there will be no point to posting this as the event will have already come and gone.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - what is the significance of this comet? It has little cultural presence like Halley, etc. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

As @PrecariousWorlds pointed out, we do have to diversify our blurbs a little bit. We haven't had a science-related story at ITN for quite some time now, and this one is receiving pretty good coverage, and the coverage is worldwide for those who love global significance, with sources in the West (CNN BBC) and the Arab World (Alarabiya) reporting on it. The Independent are also covering it live on their website. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I guess that's cool. But I do think the blurb needs to do more to establish that this is notable and not just a "diversity candidate" (to appropriate phrasing from the (un)professional world). QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

It's not just about being a diversity candidate, it's about providing interesting stories that viewers of Wikipedia want to read, apart from Depressing Tragedy no. 352. I think astronomical events like these should be ITN:R, as they are In The News. I think we should also post major infrastructure projects as well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Bestagon PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support, Posting immediately - per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support: Reasonably significant as far as astronomical news goes and the article is well-cited. Probably should have been posted a few days ago. And while this shouldn't be a factor when considering any individual story, it would be nice to have more science topics at ITN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem: I think alt2 is better here; it mentions both the official name and the fact that it's green. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  The link is to the article with the full title. I doubt that the majority of our readers will be that worked up over the actual name. It's the green comet thing that is going to get their attention. That said, if there is a consensus to change the blurb, or another admin thinks that alt II is better, go for it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• I'm pleased to see that a consensus was reached and that this has been posted. It provides desperately-needed balance to the current gamut of ITN stories which amount to four disasters and an election. I hope that this reflects a sea change towards lessening our overall significance restrictions.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting Oppose, numerous astronomical bodies, including comets, pass by the Earth every single day. The visibility of this single one is not specifically notable. I would understand if this was say, a Comet Hale–Bopp type event, where the comet is like that of a great comet. At the moment, I don't see the value in pushing this nomination to diversify the coverage of news stories regarding disasters either. Other folks have brought up the magnitude and distance from the Earth that I concur with.Ornithoptera (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC))

  This is the only comet visible to the naked eye right now, probably for months to come. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Not to make it a number-game, but only two editors have made the argument of diversifying. That is not why 7 others !voted in support. Curbon7 (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Just to be clear, I never intended diversifying to be my main argument. The main argument was that reliable sources were in fact treating it as a big deal. Diversifying was intended to be a "pushing factor" for those on the fence to lean support. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 04:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

0.28 AU isn't far if the comet is bright. A comet reached magnitude 3-4 in the 18th century and never even reached 3 AU from Earth or 4 AU from Sun. Halley's Comet would be 4.9 magnitudes brighter than this if both were 1 AU from Sun and observer was thought experimentally on the Sun (the standard apples-to-apples brightness comparison of solar system science because full asteroid is much brighter than thin crescent asteroid and comets obviously get dim very fast as they get further from the Sun (if they get very very close they sometimes even explode and "release all the brightness at once")). And Halley happens every c. 76 years. Hale-Bopp would be even brighter. The 1700s comet would be 13.4 magnitudes brighter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC

• Noting here that there are several comments at WP:ERRORS regarding the "green comet" wording. ansh.666 18:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Switched to Alt II per multiple requests. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I voiced support for alt2, but prefer User:Ravenpuff's newer version: "C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured), a comet with a green coma, makes its closest approach to the Earth".

It's nice, and the linked term "coma" will certainly stimulate curiosity in our readers, which is what ITN does at its best. I'd be grateful if editors who already posted here would voice support or opposition to Ravenpuff's version. DFlhb (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Concur. Curbon7 (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I support this version, for the record. It sounds much more scientific and interesting. Though it is not entirely clear to me why this event has found its way to the Main Page. There are approximately 10 long-period comets crossing the Earth's orbit every year. --TadejM ^{my talk} 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

They're usually dimmer. It's also been an unusually long time since the last great comet besides 2006 or 7 (I forgot) which was only naked eye at dusk to most North Hemisphere native English speakers for a few days and not at all after dusk (at least in my extreme light pollution). And I guess some might've also called the magnitude ~2.5 2007 or 2008 comet great, it was naked eye in extreme light pollution but not very impressive there especially if you're not into "faint fuzzy "star" with no naked eye tail". Hale-Bopp of 1997 was the last truly impressive non-twilight one. With that said 22 E3 or better comets seem to happen every few years at worst. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I Beg you to remove "green comet" from the top. It's a nonsensical moniker applied to it by media that knows nothing about astronomy- as commonly used as it is, it is meaningless at best and misleading at worst. Every comet that has ever graced the sky has been green- saying it's a green comet is like referring to space as "the black space" or the sky as "the blue sky". Sincerely, an actual astronomer. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Is the gas ever greenish cyan/cyanish green? Would that still count as green? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

This ^. We should change the blurb immediately. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Here is what the comet astronomer Matthew Knight says about the comet's color: "The color of C/2022 E3 (ZTF) isn’t unique: Most comets that have higher gas contents tend to yield C2, so they “are generally going to look green to our eye,” Knight says. That said, only a subset of comets happen to make it as close to Earth as C/2022 E3 (ZTF) will get, so it’ll provide an uncommonly good view of a comet’s emerald hue."[1] --TadejM ^{my talk} 00:13, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Meteorologists refer to blue skies all the time. They are much prettier than white or grey skies. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Post-posting Oppose per Ornithoptera. Completely insignificant.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

  Well, shoot, we better pull it and put the more significant Azerbaijani embassy shooting back up. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

  Your assertion is not backed up by the evidence at hand; reliable sources do discuss the comet in a manner that plainly indicates it is significant. Your assertion doesn't make the sources go away. --Jayron32 17:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

January 31

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RD: Angel Alcala

Article: Angel Alcala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Bulletin
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino biologist and national scientist. Curbon7 (talk) 17:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support well-cited. Tails Wx 05:00, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: David Durenberger

Article: David Durenberger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-cited and holistic enough for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 01:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Shanti Bhushan ‎

Article: Shanti Bhushan ‎ (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bar and Bench,India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Ex Minister and lawyer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready A few CN templates. Date/place of birth is uncited, and entire early/non-political life are missing. The prose in political career is bare, but ok enough for our purposes. Prose in the activism section is fine, except for the 2010 contempt charge which needs updating. Curbon7 (talk) 15:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

January 30

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RD: Bobby Beathard

Article: Bobby Beathard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Could use some work. Pro Football Hall of Famer. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:18, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Almost I think this article is quite close. I don't know much about football, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the general manager is a fairly minor role compared to the same position in baseball, right? If so, I don't think too much more expansion is needed, as I do note that the article already names some prominent players he scouted. Just a few sentences of what he did while the scout/manager of the Dolphins, Falcons, and Chargers should suffice. Some spots also need sources. Curbon7 (talk) 10:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Charles Silverstein

Article: Charles Silverstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies (Twitter)
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The American psychologist who got homosexuality removed from the DSM. Curbon7 (talk) 18:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ann McLaughlin Korologos

Article: Ann McLaughlin Korologos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WashPo
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alansohn (talk · give credit) and Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. Secretary of Labor. Some source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 18:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ouyang Pingkai

Article: Ouyang Pingkai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): qq
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Huangdan2060 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Chinese academic and party official. A bit short and over-reliant on one source. Curbon7 (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Will Steffen

Article: Will Steffen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canberra Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by AusLondonder (talk · give credit), Aussiesportlibrarian (talk · give credit), Curt99 (talk · give credit), Editrite! (talk · give credit) and Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Climate scientist. Article looks okay to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Short but adequate and well sourced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:25, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is well-cited and holistic enough for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 01:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Cindy Williams

Article: Cindy Williams (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She died on Jan 25, it was just reported today – Muboshgu (talk) 00:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• :Support once Filmography section is properly sourced. Mooonswimmer 01:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not Ready Significant gaps in referencing, mostly around the tables. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready {{verification}} tag at the top of article, needs some sourcing. Tails Wx 05:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: John Adams (drummer)

Article: John Adams (drummer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox8, Cleveland.com
Credits:

• Nominated by EvergreenFir (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit), MainPeanut (talk · give credit) and Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Known to many who follow American baseball and everyone in Cleveland, Ohio. Is a Good Article. EvergreenFir (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Well-cited, but there are significant prose issues. Will give a full breakdown in a bit. Curbon7 (talk) 20:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  I don't want this to seem over-scrupulous, as we of course don't need the articles to be great or even necessarily good for RD; however, they have to meet a basic threshold of quality. The article is mostly fine for holisticity (wish there was a bit more to his non-superfan life, but it's understandable that sources may not cover this) and sourcing (his date of birth and education are uncited; these are more pressing, as you'll know we can't have uncited material on the main page).

  The main issue here is the prose. This is far from the (very basic) level of quality we expect and needs to either go through WP:GAR to be delisted or needs a ground-up rewrite. To say the article's tone is very informal is an understatement; the entire thing reads like an article on baseball.wikia. That is to say, it doesn't read like an encyclopedia article, it reads like a fan write-up, chock with inside baseball ("making him the only fan for whom the team dedicated a bobble head day"??), weasel words, and general poor phrasing. It is hard to explain because there's not necessarily one specific thing wrong that I can point to, it's kind of just the entire article. Curbon7 (talk) 00:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Curbon7 I have been going through the article and making some edits along the same lines. I think the problem here is that the information in an article is going to be shaped by the information available in the sources, and generally speaking it's going to be Cleveland publications writing about him with a very casual tone. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 00:55, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Most of my concerns have been addressed, and the article is much better now! Just waiting for a source on the DoB. Curbon7 (talk) 20:44, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Support I've swapped out the DoB with his birth year based on age at death (DoB is commented out so it is still available if a source is found). Curbon7 (talk) 14:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  • I've found a source for his birth date and added it back in.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 01:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

    Curbon7 (talk) 02:52, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support (provided date of birth is correctly cited or removed) – I think the quality of the prose is perfectly fine for a front-page feature like this. It goes into details that other encyclopedic articles are unlikely to contain, and therefore can feel informal or odd, but I think it is acceptable at worst and charming at best. Article is well-cited and beautifully detailed, including his personal life (I'm not sure what else Curbon would want from that section (it lists school, marriage, occupation, volunteer work, and health issues). I think this is a lovely feature! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:38, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support This has Good Article status. Have we reached the point of arguing about quality for publishing a Good Article to RD? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenmelken (talk • contribs) 13:53, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Articles have to meet WP:ITNQUALITY, even if they're Good Articles, as you'll know GAs can diminish in quality over time. Curbon7 (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Kenmelken, this article was promoted to GA in 2012. Alot of bad writing can happen in 11 years. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  11 years?! No, no, 2012 was last year, right? :( --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Someone has updated the article after his death to replace Indians with Guardians in many places. I understand the intent, but it is now factually wrong in many places due to the time frame in which he was active. GreatCaesarsGhost 20:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
  • I have fixed this. Spencer^T•C 05:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support Appropriate depth of coverage, referenced. Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 05:56, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Bobby Hull

Article: Bobby Hull (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A lot of work is needed sourcing-wise. Mooonswimmer 15:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support: pbp 20:38, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not yet ready As stated by the nom, the article is still heavily under-sourced. Curbon7 (talk) 20:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Peshawar mosque bombing

Article: 2023 Peshawar mosque bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A suicide blast in a mosque killed 59 people and more than 170 injured in Peshawar, Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A suicide blast in a mosque kills 59 people and injures more than 170 in Peshawar, Pakistan.
News source(s): Reuters, Al Jazeera, DAWN
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by The Bestagon (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 09:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not ready – Love an article where 80% of the length is a navigation template. This stub needs a lot of work to become suitable for the frontpage. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:13, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article has been updated and is well referenced. I think it's already fit for ITN. It will continue to be updated as new information arrives. Very sad news. :( MSN12102001 (talk) 13:00, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. There's a "failed verification" tag that needs fixing, and the article could stand for more expansion. --Jayron32 13:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is ready, definitely significant. Proposing altblurb -Azpineapple (talk) 14:26, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support per @Azpineapple Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Article is definitely not ready yet, with all of its one-sentence paragraphs, but with how the death count is spiking up I'm fairly certain it will be posted soon. Very big tragedy.. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - about 2k characters of cited prose is long enough for DYK, and it's also long enough to meet the quality requirements of ITN, IMO. Levivich (talk) 15:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Altblurb is better. Levivich (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Notability is obvious, given 40+ deaths. I've also expanded the article and I think it's now good enough. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support because the article is good enough & the death toll is very high. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support article is good, and a lot of deaths. The death count makes it notable. TomMasterReal^TALK 16:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - As per above comments. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Support alt blurb. First blurb is not grammatical. Notable for sure, article quality is good as is. There are a couple things on the article that need citations, but the article is being actively edited so I assume these will be fixed by the time of posting. e.b. (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Question: Do reliable sources provide any indication that this is having national or regional consequences? Has this affected the political climate in Pakistan in any way? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:31, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support altblurb The Kip (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Went with a variation on the altblurb. "Suicide blast" sounds sensational and a bit weird. Changed it to the terminology 'in the article' and said "suicide bombing". --Jayron32 18:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

January 29

Portal:Current events/2023 January 29

January 29, 2023 (2023-01-29) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Forces of the Wagner Group say that they have captured the village of Blahodatne, north of Bakhmut. However, Ukraine rejects the claim and says that it repelled the attack. (AFP via The Moscow Times) Southern Ukraine campaign Russian forces shell the city of Kherson, killing three people, injuring six others, and damaging a hospital, school, and bus station. (Reuters via U.S. News & World Report) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel Jihadist insurgency in Burkina Faso The governor of Comoé Province reports that 15 corpses, who were among 24 passengers of two minibuses that departed the provincial capital of Banfora when suspected jihadists hijacked the buses in Linguekoro and coerced the passengers to walk to Mangodara, were discovered near Linguekoro. The governor also reports that 15 other passengers had been abducted. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Syrian civil war Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war Unidentified warplanes, suspected to be Israeli, strike a convoy of Iranian trucks that entered Syria from Iraq through the Al-Qa'im border crossing. At least six trucks are believed to have been destroyed. There are no immediate reports of casualties. (Times of Israel) Israeli–Palestinian conflict An 18-year-old Palestinian man is shot dead by a group of Israeli civilians near the settlement of Kedumim, in the West Bank. In a separate incident, a Palestinian civilian home is set on fire by settlers. The occupants were not there at the time of the attack. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2023 Lasbela bus crash At least 41 people are killed and two others are injured when a bus falls off a bridge and catches fire in Lasbela District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Reuters) 2022–23 South-West Indian Ocean cyclone season The death toll from Cyclone Cheneso's landfall in Madagascar has increased to 25, with 21 others still missing. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Tanda Dam incident Ten children are killed and eleven other people are injured when a boat capsizes at the Tanda Dam in Kohat District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AFP via Barron's) At least 22 people are killed and 21 injured when a bus crashes near Dassa-Zoumé, Collines Department, Benin. (TRT World) At least nine people are killed when a container falls from a truck onto a commercial bus in Lagos, Nigeria. (The Guardian Nigeria) An avalanche on Mount Norikura in Nagano Prefecture, Japan, kills two people, including American skier Kyle Smaine. (BBC News) International relations Attack on the Azerbaijani Embassy in Tehran Azerbaijan–Iran relations Azerbaijan suspends diplomatic activities at its embassy in Tehran after accusing Iran of failing to ensure the security of its embassy staff. The Azerbaijani consulate general in Tabriz continues to operate routinely. (TASS) Law and crime 2023 Gqeberha shooting Eight people are killed and three others are injured in a mass shooting at a birthday party in Gqeberha, Eastern Cape, South Africa. (AFP via Hindustan Times) Politics and elections 2023 Liechtenstein constitutional referendum Voters in Liechtenstein reject a proposed ban on casinos. The proposal, which Prince Hans-Adam II opposed, was rejected by around 73 percent of voters. (Euronews) 2022–23 Tunisian parliamentary election Tunisians head to the polls to elect the members of the third Assembly of the Representatives of the People in a run-off. The electoral board reports a voter turnout of 11.3 percent as most opposition parties boycott the election. (AFP via RFI) UK prime minister Rishi Sunak dismisses Nadhim Zahawi as chairman of the Conservative Party and minister without portfolio after Sunak's ethics adviser, Laurie Magnus, found that Zahawi had breached the Ministerial Code for failing to disclose a £5 million tax penalty payment to HM Revenue and Customs while serving as Chancellor of the Exchequer under former prime minister Boris Johnson. (BBC News) Sports 2023 Australian Open – Men's singles Novak Djokovic defeats Stefanos Tsitsipas in the final, 6–3, 7–6(7–4), 7–6(7–5), to win the men's singles tennis title at the 2023 Australian Open in Melbourne, tying him with Rafael Nadal for the most Grand Slams in men's tennis history with 22. (BBC Sport) 2023 World Men's Handball Championship Denmark defeats France 34–29 in the final to win the 2023 World Men's Handball Championship in Stockholm, Sweden. Denmark becomes the first men's national handball team to win three consecutive world titles, having also won the 2019 and 2021 editions. (Reuters)

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RD: Naba Das

Article: Naba Das (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Rejoy2003 (talk · give credit) and Fixer88 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian MLA who was killed (possibly assassinated) by a police officer. Prose and sourcing both need significant work. Curbon7 (talk) 18:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Gero Storjohann

Article: Gero Storjohann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ and many others
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician, member of federal parliament from 2002 until his death (however in intensive care from April 2022), worked for traffic and other matters. Most facts were there, but referencing needed work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well-cited, and more-or-less holistic enough for our purposes. A minor point of issue is that Kreisvorsitzender is not defined or linked, but this one point isn't that big a deal in the big picture. Curbon7 (talk) 06:14, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Please help. It's not linked in German. "Vorsitzender" would literally be president, and "Kreis" means districts. Wiktionary has Kreisverband for the district level of some organisations, here the CDU party. Is there anything comparable in English, and if, should that be used? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  I've parenthesized the word in Deutsch and preceded it with "district president"; this can hypothetically be reversed (parenthesize the English word) if you want. Excellent work as usual Curbon7 (talk) 14:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support Satis. Grimes2 (talk) 14:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Handball Men's World Cup

Article: 2023 World Men's Handball Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Denmark wins the World Men's Handball Championship, defeating France in the final. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by The Bestagon (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Not sure if there is a separate article on the final match. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Basically a table farm with very little prose. Not really main page ready. --Jayron32 13:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality It's ITNR, but the article is almost entirely tables. The Kip (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready. Unfortunately there is no prose on the games whatsoever, not even a description of the final. There needs to be at least a few paragraphs describing what happened at the tournament - tables are not enough. Modest Genius ^talk 17:15, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Three days later, there has been no progress with the article. Modest Genius ^talk 12:21, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Masood Sharif Khan Khattak

Article: Masood Sharif Khan Khattak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready A number of CN tags. The other sources need to be spot-checked as well, as I have low confidence in them. Too many section headers, need to be condensed down. Article is almost holistic; expansion is needed on his 1996 imprisonment and his career between 1999 and 2009. If available, details on his army career from 1978 to 1986 and his life from 2009 until his death is desirable, but not necessary, as I understand sources may not cover those details. Curbon7 (talk) 05:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

RD: Barrett Strong

Article: Barrett Strong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Soul Tracks
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MatthewHoobin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: While the article likely needs editing, Strong is best known for singing Motown Records first hit, Money (That's What I Want). But as a songwriter, also in the Songwriter's Hall of Fame, he co wrote Motown classics I Heard It Through the Grapevine, "War" (The Temptations song), Just My Imagination, and Papa Was A Rollin' Stone. TheCorriynial (talk) 21:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not yet ready – the discography section is tagged for clean up and also needs more references.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Pawnkingthree: I've done some work on the article and added citations. Please take a few minutes to review again. —Matthew - (talk) 22:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support as improved. BD2412 T 23:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Annie Wersching

Article: Annie Wersching (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Significant referencing work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 21:02, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

2023 Men's FIH Hockey World Cup

Article: 2023 Men's FIH Hockey World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In field hockey, Germany defeats Belgium in a penalty shoot-out to win the 2023 Men's FIH Hockey World Cup. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: - Rushtheeditor talk 11:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose It's not an ITNR so the article should be of high quality, but there's very little prose involved including what is needed for championship finales. --Masem (t) 16:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on both notability and quality. Not on ITNR, doesn't seem to be excessively popular, and most importantly the article is almost entirely tables with little to no prose. The Kip (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Just because it's not on ITNR doesn't mean it can't be posted, and as the top event in field hockey, it has at least a claim to significance. That said, as stated above, the entire article is composed almost entirely of tables with little in the way of prose. Curbon7 (talk) 21:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose For above reasons. Needs significant expansion to be on the front page. e.b. (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready. There's no point in even discussing the significance when the article has no prose on the games. There need to be a few referenced paragraphs explaining what happened at the tournament - tables are not enough. Modest Genius ^talk 17:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Three days later, only two sentences have been added - about the official song. Still not ready. Modest Genius ^talk 12:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Hazel McCallion

Article: Hazel McCallion (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.thestar.com/News/Obituary/2023/01/29/hazel-mccallion-longtime-mississauga-mayor-dies-at-age-101.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bearcat (talk · give credit), Blairall (talk · give credit) and Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable politician and centenarian. Some citations still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Article is fine for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 16:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, article looks like it should be ready for posting. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support, per above. Rushtheeditor (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - per above. Nfitz (talk) 20:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• A few tagged references needed. Stephen 23:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Done. Rushtheeditor (talk) 22:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Article is now fully cited, but some bare URLs need a template. Flibirigit (talk) 01:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:42, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

2023 Iran drone attacks

Article: 2023 Iran drone attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Iran reported attack in military plant of Isfahan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Iran reports several drone strikes within its territory
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Iranian defense ministry reports a failed drone attack on an ammunition factory in Isfahan, amidst other explosions and fires in the country.
News source(s): Al Arabiya, United Press International, Fox News and CNN
Credits:

• Created and nominated by LordVoldemort728 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I know the article is stub but it is a major news. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 03:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait "A blast recorded in defence ministry which caused minor damage" isn't the clearest English sentence, but it certainly sounds like the opposite of major news to me. The blowback could be huge, especially if bolstered by a video. But you never know how people will react to provocation, the supposed battle to come could also just be one of words. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  I think it is a major news because this attack '''can''' start a war between two countries. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 06:51, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  It wouldn't be just two, in theory. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  WP:CRYSTAL. The Kip (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait The impact of the attack, and its consequences, are yet to be seen. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 06:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Already CNN, Fox and Al Arabiya can't agree on which words from IRNA's tweet to replace with which of whose choosing. Are they drones or "small drones"? Them or "the drones"? One was hit by or "struck"? Props to UPI for the relative straight dope, just omitting parts, nice and objective-like. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Wait - Per the above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:45, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Wait - Rumours are flying; solid news is still scarce. It currently seems like both Western world media and Iran want to hohum this. Without solid sources, WP is not going to override that. There doesn't seem to be any article on this in fa.Wikipedia - at least according to Wikidata. Boud (talk) 12:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Israel did it, it's being reported. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wait a few days to see if more information is made available, but definite support if further reporting increases in confidence that it's an intentional attack by another country. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wait we do not know the death amount, and damage these drones have done. TomMasterReal^TALK 23:39, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  No dead, no wounded. Both "sides" agree on that. Damage is more subjective, quantitative not qualitative, and making things seem better and worse than they are is inherent in political news...or entertainment news...human interests, overall. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for want of actual damage. Also, little reporting internationally on this (since, apparently, that's now a criteria). --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 02:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support an event of this nature ought to be postable, but news coverage of it appears to be dying down. Banedon (talk) 03:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

2023 Australian Open

Aryna Sabalenka

Article: 2023 Australian Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Aryna Sabalenka (pictured) wins the Women's Singles and Novak Djokovic wins the Men's Singles at the Australian Open. (Post)
News source(s): BBC - Women's singles, BBC - Men's singles
Credits:

• Nominated by 45.112.200.3 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 45.112.200.3 (talk) 08:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Note Prose summaries are needed for the singles finals in the main Open article. Joofjoof (talk) 09:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Lacks prose for the matches (Hopefull fares better than last year's).—Bagumba (talk) 17:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Support once expanded. Individual events need prose descriptions. See the 2021 event for a model. With this win, Djokovic is now tied for the most men's Grand Slam titles and holds the record for most individual titles at the Australian Open (10), perhaps these records could be worked into a blurb? e.b. (talk) 17:17, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not ready. Neither the main tournament article, nor those on the men's and women's singles, has a prose summary of the events. There need to be a few referenced paragraphs explaining what happened at the tournament - tables are not enough. Modest Genius ^talk 17:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Article still has not been prose-ified. Curbon7 (talk) 09:48, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

January 28

Portal:Current events/2023 January 28

January 28, 2023 (2023-01-28) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine Battle of Donbas Russia claims that a Ukrainian HIMARS missile strike on a hospital in Novoaidar, Luhansk Oblast, has killed 14 people and injured 24 others, including patients and medical staff. (Reuters) Attacks on civilians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine The Russian Air Force launches an airstrike on the city of Seredyna-Buda in Sumy Oblast, destroying a kindergarten and damaging nearby residential buildings. No casualties have been reported. The towns of Esman and Shalyhyne are also damaged by cross-border shelling. (Ukrinform) 2023 Iran drone attacks The Iranian Defence Ministry says that a drone attack on a military plant in Isfahan, Iran, was "unsuccessful" with at least three drones shot down by air defenses. No casualties have been reported. (Reuters) (AP) Explosions are reported at military sites and factories across Iran, including near the capital Tehran. Videos on social media appear to show explosions and large fires in the cities of Karaj, Dezful, and Tabriz. (Iran International) An explosion occurs at an oil refinery in Azarshahr, East Azerbaijan province, according to Iranian media. (Urdu Point) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Two Israelis are shot and critically injured by a 13-year-old Palestinian in East Jerusalem, in the West Bank and the attacker is shot and injured by one of his victims before being arrested. (Al Jazeera) The Times of Israel) Business and economy British regional airline Flybe collapses into administration with 277 job losses, while 75,000 customers are affected by flight cancellations. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2023 West Azerbaijan earthquake Three people are killed and 816 others are injured by a magnitude 5.9 earthquake in Khoy, West Azerbaijan province, Iran. (Al Jazeera) Louisville, New York bus-truck crash Six people are killed and three others are injured in a collision between a bus and a truck in Louisville, New York, United States. (NBC News) At least 24 people are killed when a bus plunges off a cliff in the El Alto District, Talara Province, Peru. (Reuters) Law and crime Three people are killed inside a vehicle and four others are injured on the street during a mass shooting in the Beverly Crest neighborhood of Los Angeles, California, United States. (AP) Politics and elections 2023 Czech presidential election The Czech Statistical Office reports that former NATO Military Committee chair Petr Pavel has been elected president, defeating former prime minister Andrej Babiš with 58 percent of the votes. (AFP via France 24) Sports 2023 Australian Open – Women's singles Aryna Sabalenka defeats Elena Rybakina in the final, 4–6, 6–3, 6–4, to win the women's singles tennis title at the 2023 Australian Open in Melbourne, winning her first major singles title. (AFP via Deccan Herald)

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(Posted) RD: Melitta Muszely

Article: Melitta Muszely (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Online Merker
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian soprano, legendary as the 4 loves of Hoffmann in Berlin in 1958 (pictured by GRuban). There's more detail in the obit, but I'm too tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• I added that detail now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Amru Daulay

Article: Amru Daulay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detik
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indonesian politician and ruler of Mandailing Natal Regency for more than a decade. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Appears to be acceptable length and adequately sourced. A lot of the references are in Indonesian but I'm going to AGF here and assume they are reliable in the absence of evidence to the contrary. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well-cited and holistic. The last sentence ("Prior to his death, Amru had suffered stroke for four years") needs to be re-jigged though. Curbon7 (talk) 14:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. @Jeromi Mikhael: any chance you could add links to the article elsewhere to other relevant article(s) on Wikipedia? It appears that it only appears in Deaths in 2023 and Portal:Indonesia from what I can tell. Spencer^T•C 05:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lisa Loring

Article: Lisa Loring (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actress best remembered as Wednesday Adams from the original TV series. Article is short but in decent shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 16:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Support looks fine. MyriadSims (talk) 01:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support Appears to be well-cited and holistic enough for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 14:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:39, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Phil Coles

Article: Phil Coles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.olympics.com.au/news/the-aoc-mourns-the-passing-of-phil-coles-am/
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian Olympic canoeist, sports administrator, and member of the International Olympic Committee for almost 30 years. HiLo48 (talk) 04:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready Article is well-cited, but is quite short of being considered holistic and is hardly updated to reflect his death. If available, details should be added about his life before becoming an Olympian, his competition in the 1960 and 1968 Olympics, and his life after 2002. A primary example is the quote: "He was key to getting an Australian Olympic team to the Olympic Games Moscow 1980 against all requests for a boycott"; this is a key biographical detail that is not mentioned at all in the prose besides that condolence. The article also makes no mention of his death besides one paragraph of condolences (but again does not explicitly say he died on such and such date in such and such place); as such, I don't think it meets the updated requirement. The article doesn't obviously need to be GA-level, but it can't be a glorified stub either. Curbon7 (talk) 05:20, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  To shorten: brief details should be added about the '60 and '68 Olympics; his role in the 1980 Olympics needs to be included; his death needs to be included. These 3 points should be fairly easily achievable. Curbon7 (talk) 09:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

RD: Tom Verlaine

Article: Tom Verlaine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lots of citations needed, will be working on it Mooonswimmer 01:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not yet ready Much better than when nominated, but still missing a significant number of sources. Curbon7 (talk) 14:25, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Czech presidential election

Proposed image

Petr Pavel

Article: 2023 Czech presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Petr Pavel (pictured) is elected as President of the Czech Republic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Petr Pavel (pictured) is elected as President of the Czech Republic, defeating Andrej Babiš in the runoff.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bedivere.cs (talk · give credit), Jdcooper (talk · give credit), Vacant0 (talk · give credit) and Filelakeshoe (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Petr Pavel has won the race according to projections and early results. Well PM is the one in charge which does not make this ITNR, but the president holds significant appointment and foreign policy power. President Zeman overused his powers, making the presidency pretty powerful. Very watched in Europe by the news and many observers. BastianMAT (talk) 14:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)744cody (talk) 16:42, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

• Not ready as article needs to be updated. Added ITN/R label. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ok I just looked at Wikipedia:ITN/R and I'm not very sure now whether or not this qualifies as ITN/R, so I'll remove the label. I'll still support on notability even if not ITN/R, but the article is not yet ready. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  This definitely counts as ITN/R, I've updated the template. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 16:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  @The Bestagon check now, it's still 99.99% reporting (there's always a few problem wards that take forever) but the main figures (58-42 and turnout over 70) are staying where they are and are already being reported in RS. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 16:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  • Support now that the article has been updated enough. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 05:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - both election and bio articles look good to me as of now. Levivich (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support. A presidential election by a popular vote should certainly count as ITN/R, even for countries where the president holds limited power. If our ITN/R guidelines say something else, they should be changed/clarified. In any case, support this item on notability. Both bolded articles appear to be in sufficiently good shape for posting. Nsk92 (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support This is a decently significant election, and it probably should qualify for being a successful candidate. However, it should be noted how few powers the Czech president really has, the impact on the country because of this election is likely to be minimal. Also, I believe the alternative blurb would be better to be used. Quinby (talk) 18:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changes in head of state are WP:ITNR, so it doesn't matter if you personally consider it significant or not. Curbon7 (talk) 18:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  No they are not. Read the criteria again. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government, in those countries which qualify under the criteria above, as listed at List of current heads of state and government... President of Czech Republic is the head of state and thus does administer the executive office of the state, plus he is the commander in chief of the armed forces, another executive position. Heads of state are ITNR. Levivich (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  But he does not administer the executive; the head of government does. The monarch in the UK is the head of state; but he is not a member of the executive and does not administer it. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Note for admins (cc @Tone), the file in the suggestion has questions surrounding its potential copyright. I'd suggest File:Gen. Petr Pavel (2018) (cropped).jpg should be used instead, as is on the 2023 election page. Quinby (talk) 01:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support. I was looking for this on the front page.--2601:C4:C300:A210:7836:446C:8BFA:F5CE (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose -- This is not ITN/R, as the President of the Czech Republic is not the head of government. ITN/R says: "Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive". The President of the Czech Republic does not administer the executive, the Prime Minister does. Switching from ITN/R yes to no. I do however see discussion of this in the news, and the fact that he was a former general means there is something more notable here than "new President". --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Elections of the Heads of State like the Czech president are not ITNR. This doesn't prevent it from being included in ITN, it wouldn't be the first time. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Note that the last two Czech presidential elections in 2013 and 2018 were both tagged as ITN/R. Has there been a recent discussion which changed this? – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 21:17, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  There was a discussion in 2021 that defined which kinds of transitions are ITNR. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I think there was a more long drawn out discussion than that one but I'm too lazy to look for it. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - The President in Czechia is far more powerful than ceremonial leaders you see in many parliamentary democracies, even holding veto powers similar to the USA. This is a major change - I see no reason to not post this, especially given the international coverage. Nfitz (talk) 21:35, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• This is almost ready, I'd just like to see some more about reactions, then I can post. --Tone 21:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Tone: Just added a paragraph about domestic reactions to that section – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 22:42, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Supporty worty - Per the above statements PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:22, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Altblurb looks nice PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support, obviously Both articles are in good shape and seems like a significant election which has European-wide consequences (mostly on the Babis aspect). Curbon7 (talk) 00:27, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. Internationally covered. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support In a normal living or dead person's article, an unsourced paragraph revolving around a claim like In January 1993, his unit was sent to evacuate a French military base, where French soldiers were under siege by Serbian troops would be unacceptable, but this is an elected politician we're talking about here, the sort of person who doesn't even need to meet GNG. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Just FYI the citations for that part are at the end of the next paragraph – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Better than nowhere. Thanks for finding them. Still, you wouldn't see Sylvia Syms or Tom Verlaine get off so easy. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Posting. I am bolding just the election article, some paragraphs in Pavel's article could do with source improvement. --Tone 08:44, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  I think that this pic is much better, as the posted one is somewhat dim. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  I like how the current one doesn't have a gigantic and irrelevant NATO logo in it. Not knocking NATO, but the Czech people have very little people power there. This guy here (who looks bright enough to me) is the guy they more or less chose to lead the way. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Pavel was Chairman of the NATO Military Committee from 2015 to 2018, so he had a connection to NATO. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Indeed. It's a fine picture for his article, just irrelevant to this election. He probably wasn't elected in the currently pictured shirt, either, but that draws way less attention to itself. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Blurb: Tyre Nichols and ensuing unrest

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Killing of Tyre Nichols (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Protests erupt across the United States, including in Memphis, Tennessee, following the release of footage of the killing of Tyre Nichols during an altercation with Memphis police (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests erupt across the United States, including in Memphis, following the release of footage of an altercation with Memphis police before the killing of Tyre Nichols.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Video of the killing of Tyre Nichols is released, leading to protests in the United States.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The killing of Tyre Nichols leads to protests in the United States.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Video of the events leading to the killing of Tyre Nichols leads to protests in the United States.
Alternative blurb V: ​ In the United States, five police officers are arrested and protests erupt following the killing of Tyre Nichols.
Alternative blurb VI: ​ Five police officers are arrested and protests erupt following the killing of Tyre Nichols in Memphis, USA.
News source(s): [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Renominating as the footage was released and the protests have already begun Knightoftheswords281 17:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Regardless of whether or not this meets the significance threshold (which I would assume it does), all three bolded articles have pretty fundamental issues when it comes to sourcing, holisticity, and possibly WP:BLPCRIME. Curbon7 (talk) 06:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I'd also like to point out that there is an ongoing discussion about merging the first two targets. This should be resolved before posting, assuming that consensus develops that the item is notable for IT. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 06:44, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Caution I'm not a BLPCRIME extremist, and there is nothing wrong with noting the charges against high-profile murder suspects. But you can't say they killed him yet, as the current blurb does. Not allowed, anyway, it's prejudicial. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:09, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changed per WP:BLPCRIME Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 07:12, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Now it's inaccurate, since he died a few days later, but it's better as far as I'm concerned. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as currently written. There don't appear to have been 'riots' - our own article says one protestor, at one protest, was arrested for jumping on and damaging a police car. The editorial bias involved in regarding that as 'riots' is pretty stark. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Changed Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 03:00, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose again. Police abuse in the US is routine and this is not a local newspaper. Not serious riots with international interest/impact. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  The coverage this is getting is way beyond "local newspaper", or we wouldn't be here. And "international impact" has never been an ITN criteria. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  So were the protests in Northern Ireland, but we posted those. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Doesn't seem to meet the standard of global significance that seems to be demanded for ITN these days. 2A02:C7F:2CE3:4700:D111:9D08:A092:825C (talk) 09:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not out here demanding global significance. National news can be well worth including. But this is a developing story, and the current framing (not to mention the premature fork into three articles) is unhelpful. I think we need to wait and see for a bit. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Opposed - Purely internal US matter, and no evidence of outsized or extraordinary impact or consequence. Not notable for the vast majority of English speakers. If ITN started featuring US police abuse, it'd be able to feature nothing else. Melmann 11:31, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  We started a few years ago, and didn't go that nuts with it, still mostly crazy about elections and reelections. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think 'purely internal matter' is a knock-down argument in cases like this. An internal matter can be worthy of ITN if it's big enough. But I don't think this is, yet, and attempts to talk it up with words like 'riot' are counter-productive. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  The "only affects one country" argument has been essentially deprecated because of how poor it is. Curbon7 (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Can we PLEASE STOP using arguments like "this is an internal matter"? What part of the admonishment in the rules above that say "Please do not oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive" are people failing to read? -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait - This is only Day 1. If this turns out to cause widespread unrest like in 2020, this could be posted. Wait to see where this goes. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Neutral but this whole demand for global significance is silly. Nothing in ITN requires that an item be globally significant to be posted. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:40, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I think many tend to immediately discount US stories as a sort of "counter culture" to how American-centric the internet can be at times, but the USA is so central to global institutions and orders, domestic politics essentially become international from the get-go. Something like this can have far-reaching effects PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Wait per PrecariousWorlds, but I don't think that opposing for the lack of global significance is valid. In fact, a lot of WP:ITN/R items lack any global significance, but are still considered perfectly notable. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Nothing yet of the scale of the George Floyd protests, in terms of both scale and violence levels. Could escalate but premature to do that now. --Masem (t) 13:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support - top international news for the third straight day. Nationwide protests last night. More protests planned tonight. ITN stale. There are so many nominations we could be posting right now, but nah, let's just update once a month because "global significance". Levivich (talk) 15:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Top? Where? _-_Alsor (talk) 15:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
  • BBC, Le Monde, El Pais, are three I just checked. Yesterday I posted stories from those three that were the top then. Levivich (talk) 15:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Still in BBC, Le Monde, El Pais, and all US news, for the fourth straight day. Levivich (talk) 16:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose unless it escalates into a George Floyd level movement or if riots take place. There are more significant examples of ongoing civil unrest in Bangladesh, Ghana, Haiti, Lebanon, Spain, Sudan, and Tunisia, among others. The Tyre Nichols unrest is very minor overall, certainly not significant enough for ITN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Expecting 'George Floyd level' protests should not be really a criteria here. --Mhhossein ^talk 04:58, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support - world-wide news, and this nonsense about international impact is just that, nonsense. We have a an entrenched contingent at ITN that refuses to allow what is widely covered world-wide to appear because it happened in the United States. What pray tell was the international impact of 2022 St Helier explosion. But things that are widely covered across the world, proving the lie in the claim that there is no international interest, cannot be included for reasons that the guidelines to this page expressly say are not valid. Please do not item 2: Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. These opposes should be tossed out wholesale, and this place needs an overhaul to actually include what is provably widely covered material on the front pages of news sources around the world. Front page of Reuters, BBC, Le Monde, El Pais, Al-Jazeera (Arabic). It is bs that a set of users have effectively claimed ITN as a member of the EU. It doesnt have to matter to you if this is in the news. It is however in the news, it is widely covered, around the world, and it should be posted here. nableezy - 15:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  We are an encyclopedia that covers a wide range of topics, and not just a US/UK news ticker, which is what happens if you want to follow only the breadth of coverage of a topic as you suggest. That's why we repeat that we are not a news ticker and not simply a mirror of what happens on the front pages of major papers. If you want to work in that space, that's what Wikinews is for, not an encyclopedia. Masem (t) 16:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  That has not been true no matter how many times you have repeated it without basis. Wikipedia is not a news ticker. In the news is literally about directing our readers to topics they have seen, wait for it, in the news. If you dont want to cover things in the news then go help out at DYK, or at FAC, or on this day. This however remains the portion of the main page meant to help our readers find our coverage on the things that are widely covered, once again all together now, in the news. nableezy - 17:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  That's not what ITN says, it is to show quality articles on topics that happen to be in the news. Being in the news is a necessary but not sufficient element prior to posting. We are still selective because this is the front page of an encyclopedia and we need to strive to avoid the media's systematic bias against most topics that are not directly US or UK related. We want a broad selection of topics, not the narrow selection that "following the news headlines" would generate. It should also be obvious that not every major world trending news headline is the basis for a WP article. All that is that ITN is tuned to capturing encyclopedia topics, not following the news. Masem (t) 02:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Topics are encyclopedia topics by virtue of having an encyclopedia article about them. If you feel they are not encyclopedic then you should be arguing for their deletion. Is anybody seriously arguing this is not an encyclopedic topic? But we must not be reading the same page. WP:ITN says its purpose is to: To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news. And despite your admonishment that I should instead look to Wikinews, what it actually says about that is Unlike Wikipedia's sister project Wikinews, Wikipedia is not an online newspaper and does not accept original works of journalism or first-hand reports. However, many Wikipedians are motivated to create and update encyclopedic articles of timely interest. ITN originated in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, when entries were created and put on the Main Page within minutes of the attacks. The entries led to an infusion of interest by editors in creating a Main Page section that linked to articles providing readers the context behind the news This is not about producing original works of journalism, it is about directing our readers to our encyclopedia articles about topics they are likely to be searching for because they are in the news. nableezy - 04:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  But we are still talking encyclopedic articles, not topics that the news media feel is important. We're talking content featured on the main page, so it should represent some of out best quality encyclopedic content. And unless we work against media systematic bias, we will end up never featuring topics that are good quality articles outside the English-speaking world while focusing too much on relatively common and repeating events that the news media love to focus on. Masem (t) 15:38, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  If your standard is that we are not a UK news ticker... then why did we post so much internal UK news last year? --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Youre confusing factions here. Masem isnt one of the editors who reflexively supports anything UK related and opposes anything US related. He does however have these very longstanding and, in my opinion, very wrong ideas on some things related to what the standard for inclusion here should be, which as best as I can tell is either being ITNR or having some wide-ranging impact on several countries, and some other quirks related to his reading of BLP and DUE, but you are barking up the wrong tree with that question to him. But there are editors here who would have voted against including the assassination of MLK here as racist violence against Black people is common in America, and this one man did not have any world-wide impact, so include in RD, but when the riots start potentially blurb. nableezy - 21:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  And how many times did we post last year about news in the USA? _-_Alsor (talk) 21:15, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Oh hey, theres one. nableezy - 21:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Not as often as we posted about news in the UK, actually. We even posted about the riots in Northern Ireland last year, and the fact that Sinn Féin won in the Northern Ireland parliament; even though Northern Ireland is not a sovereign state, and the riots were insignificant. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  The USA is so central to global institutions and orders, domestic politics essentially become international from the get-go. Something like this can have far-reaching effects PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:29, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I agree that domestic politics often have international implications due to the fact that the US is the world's sole superpower, but at the same time, there are domestic events that happen in the US that while important, don't warrant a blurb. Great example: the 2022 Florida Gubernatorial Election saw Ron DeSantis win in a landslide; while his victory annoyed and upset me greatly (since I live in Florida) and has important implications at both the state and national levels (Ron DeSantis is probably going to try to run in 2024), the event is not worthy of ITN. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 00:20, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Although I agree that the "global impact" arguments are invalid, we should still wait as the level of the protests so far is nowhere near to the George Floyd protests, for example. (Note that GF should not be the standard for protests, but there has not been any of the unrest or chaos that would make these protests more "postable". Until then, they're just another protest movement.) The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Do you realize the GF protests were the largest and longest lasting BLM protests in history? Why does that have to reach that level to be ITN? Why is multi-day international coverage and nationwide protests not enough, it also has to be record-breaking? Levivich (talk) 16:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I literally said that GF should not be the standard. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Yet you also said it's nowhere near, and that it's just another protest movement unless there is unrest and chaos. Think about what you're saying: nationwide BLM protests receiving international coverage is not news unless there is violence? White man gets elected: instant ITN. White guy plays bar games (snooker, darts): automatic ITN for a week. But people of color protest? Nah, it's gotta be violent or it's not news. Woman PM resigns? Not news. White man replaces her? Put his picture up for a week! This is systemic bias, again. Thinking BLM protests aren't newsworthy unless they're riots is systemic bias. At ITN. Again. And it's not just you, look at the oppose vote just above: oppose unless there's riots or it's the level of George Floyd. This is sheer bias, it's not logic, it's not the application of our global consensus, it doesn't advance the underlying purpose of ITN, it's just plain bias. Levivich (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ok. I was wrong in making the comparison with GF was wrong, and in fact almost my entire above comment was a catastrophe, so I'll just strike it. However, I never intended to say that BLM protests aren't newsworthy in their own right - this applies to all protests, even if they are thousands strong. Otherwise, the ITN section would feature nothing else. Let the story develop, and if the protests persist, then we can post. And by the way, I'm not white, not American, not European. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 16:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  We posted Jacinda Adern's resignation, and Brahim Ghali being re-elected. We don't only nominate "white men". This conversation is thoroughly unproductive PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Levivich's point is valid; Jacinda Ardern's resignation was only posted once Chris Hipkins was identified as the successor, despite a significant number of calls to post sooner rather than later, and Chris Hipkins both received first mention and the picture in the blurb. Not a good look if we're trying to avoid a sexism bias. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  My bad, I got the chronology wrong. Still, I don't think it was because of a sexist bias PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  If it was a woman that succeeded Adern, we would've posted it. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:54, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Brahim Ghali's picture was on ITN for almost two days. Which is a record for ITN having a picture of someone other than a white man in January 2023: Pope Benedict XVI Jan 1-6, then darts champion Michael Smith Jan 6-10, Brazilian Congress damage Jan 10-15, airplane Jan 15-20, NZ PM Chris Hipkins Jan 20-27, Sahrawi president Brahim Ghali Jan 27-29, Czech president Petr Pavel Jan 29-30. Please, check my math:

  • 30 days in January (so far), of which
  • 20 days of which had a picture of a person, of which
  • 18 days it was a white guy, and
  • 2 days a non-white guy

  This is what systemic bias looks like. More in my next reply below. Levivich (talk) 05:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ghali may not be the most Anglo-Saxon Protestant man out there, but if he's not white (by your foolish American standards), I don't know who is. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:48, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Okay, what stories do you think should've been posted instead of these? Was the Pope, the leader of a religion with more than 1.3 billion followers, dying not notable? Is the Darts Championship not in ITN/R? Rioters storming a national congress? 68 people killed in an aircraft crash?

  What nomination do you think was snubbed? Are these not all notable events? Please tell us which story In The News we missed over this period.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  @PrecariousWorlds: Great question. For some examples, see the list at Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 95#Removal of Death and funeral of Pelé and Death and funeral of Pope Benedict XVI. Levivich (talk) 14:01, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  That's an entirely different discussion, about whether or not ITN should even exist in its current state. Also, almost every one of those articles was listed under RD.

  My point is this: What stories do you think were snubbed over the last month because of some systemic bias? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:41, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  The ones that were on that list I linked to that were nom'd but not posted, for starters: Damar Hamlin, college football championship, the 2023 US Speaker of the House election was nom'd three times, twice in January (1, 2) (that's anti-American bias, systemic at ITN). And don't forget the big one, Jacinda Adern's resignation not being posted until her successor was chosen. In addition to those, we could have and should have posted: US and Philippine airspace closures, Australian helicopter crash, Artsakh blockade (nom'd multiple times), Senegal bus crash, Mursal Nabizada's assassination was admittedly a bit short, Solomon Pena, Monterey Park, Half Moon Bay, #Comet C/2022 E3 should have been posted by now although that one is probably not due to systemic bias but simply personal idiocy (waiting until after the comet is viewable to post it), as should #2023 Afghanistan cold wave, #Dissolution of the Moscow Helsinki Group, #(Ready) Jenin killings and East Jerusalem synagogue shooting, and, of course, Tyre Nichols. Hope that answers your question. Levivich (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Now I actually agree with many of the nominations you cited(most of all the Speaker of the House election), and I will concede there's a little bit of Anti-Americanism in ITN, but I do believe this is done in good faith to try and balance the stories we post from just being a US Domestic politics news ticker.

  I think we're having a discussion here on whether or not nominations need global significance to be posted, and I would agree with you that we should post more local stories. My own personal opinion is that we should post what is, quite literally, In The News. But, a lot of the nominations you mentioned weren't quite notable or of quality to be posted to the front page of the sixth largest website in the world.

  Damar Hamlin wasn't posted because A. We aren't a celebrity news ticker, and B. The nomination in question made it sound like he already died, when it wasn't the case. The US and Philippine closures were small, one-day long events that did not have wide reaching significance, and by the time the story was voted on and the article expanded, everyone had already moved on. The Australian helicopter crash, while a tragedy, did not meet our (somewhat morbid and odd) death criterias for posting. Based off of precedent, we only post tragic loss of life if they are of significant scale, if we were to post every awful loss of life, it would flood ITN. Comet C/2022 E3 is probably going to be posted in the next few days as the comet makes its closest approach. The Afghanistan cold wave was not of sufficient quality (And I'll add I nominated this story), one small group in Russia being dissolved didn't meet notability criteria, and was already sort of covered by the ongoing crisis in Russia and Ukraine. In regards to Jacinda Ardern, we still would've posted her successor if she was a woman, and I would also bring up we posted Jacinda Ardern being elected. And finally, the Jenin and Jerusalem violence is literally ready to be posted.

  I can see your point about Anti-Americanism(which I attribute to a push back against the American-centric Internet) but generally I have not seen evidence of a widespread bias against women or minorities in the stories we post, and for the most part, I believe people are acting in Good Faith, and acknowledge that this is a divisive nomination and there are many arguments for and against that people have put better than I could, which don't come down to Bad Faith or plain bias. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:35, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  As for this story, I change my vote to Oppose - Per Masem's excellent reply below. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:46, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  I can not understand why in particular the images section of ITN draws so much ire. It should be the last thing we are concerned with, yet some people seem to want to make it their singular object of ire. The seemed suggestion that we are being biased against events involving minorities and women using an arbitrary timeframe where it just so happened that none were shown in a picture was absurd, whether the bias be "systemic" or not. In fact, it's probable that NONE of the blurbs that you noted would have been accompanied by such images as well, and either way the lack of such shouldn't be an indication of bias. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Exactly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Levivich: Are you suggesting that we wouldn't have posted it if Arden had been succeeded by a woman? Or that we we'll stop posting an ITN/R if a Black person wins a sporting event? Or maybe that we'll support posting a few hundred people protesting something if they're white? Not only are you casting WP:ASPERSIONs, but you're casting them in a way that's not even plausible. If you continue to accuse me of opposing on the basis of race, then I fully intend to open an ANI thread. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Thebiguglyalien: Neither I nor anyone else is accusing you or anyone else of opposing on the basis of race. Systemic bias is a result, not an intent. My fuller comments about Arden are in the thread about her; ITN didn't think her resignation was worthy of posting, but her successor was worthy of posting. Similarly, five police officers being charged with murdering an unarmed black man is not deemed worthy unless it leads to a movement or riots, in your words. It's not that you are opposing on the basis of race; you are clearly opposing on the basis of your personal opinion about what is important and what is not important. You are not basing your !vote on what reliable sources are writing (which is what you should be basing your vote on, see Snow Rise's excellent explanation below). Because you and others are !voting based on personal opinion and not based on reliable sources, the result is things like, what I posted above, that this month we had a picture of a white guy for 18 days and a picture of a non-white guy for 2 days, and no pictures of women at all. This isn't because we had so many nominations of white guy news; it's because too many of us are voting based on personal opinions, and our personal opinions are unavoidably infected by systemic bias as a result of the culture we live in (far more so than mainstream media, which also has systemic bias, but at least has some built-in protections against it, which we lack). Levivich (talk) 05:26, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  I think my point stands. The same thing would have happened if Arden was succeeded by a woman or if the protests were about economic issues. The only difference is that no one would be making claims of "bias". Nonviolent protests of a few hundred people almost never have sustained notability, and we shouldn't post them just on the off chance that they might. The thing that was predicted in RS didn't happen. If we post this, then there are at least a dozen other protests going on around the world that we should post as well. Now if we just nominated whatever was on the front page of the BBC without regard for sustained notability, that would create a clear systemic bias. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:53, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  If Adern had been succeeded by a woman, the same thing would have happened, and it would still be systemic bias, and I'd still be complaining about it. You're missing the point, re-read what is wrote: the systemic bias in that situation was ITN deciding that the resignation wasn't important enough to post until there was a successor. It's the failure to recognize what the RS recognized: that the resignation of a female PM is significant -- more so than just a change in PM. The result is systemic bias because it was highly likely that the successor would be male. That's why it's systemic bias, not personal bias. The system overlooks the unique aspect of it being a female PM resigning, but it doesn't overlook the ordinary aspect of a change in PM (which overwhelmingly involves men, since that's the world we live in).

  Back to this nom: it's not about the protests. It's about the killing of Tyre Nichols. That's the important story. That's what the world's media has been writing about for the past four (almost five now) days in a row. The failure to recognize that police being charged with murdering an unarmed black man as important, unless there are "George Floyd level" protests, or riots, is systemic bias. It's the failure to recognize this event as important, even though it is important, even though reliable sources all agree it's important, because we are working in a system (here, ITN) that has biased results (like way over emphasizing white guy news to the exclusion of news about non-white-male people). There is no basis in policy, no basis in reliable sources, for suggesting this killing isn't worth posting to ITN. There is no "must be a movement or riots" rule or even a principle from which such a rule could be drawn. Focusing on the protests and not on Tyre Nichols is an example of systemic bias. Some are saying this is common--the violence is common, but the video, and the charges, are not common. Failing to recognize this as extraordinary is the systemic bias of which I speak.

  We post the darts champion's picture for days (white guy), but police being charged with murdering an unarmed black man, brutally, on video, isn't important enough unless there are historic protests (not "just" nationwide protests)? I'm sorry but if we make such decisions, we are valuing ordinary white people news over and above extraordinary black people news. It's just like Adern/Hipkins: we post ordinary men's news but don't post extraordinary women's news. This has become a very serious problem at ITN, IMO. Levivich (talk) 06:10, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  The death happened 23 days ago (a week and a half before the oldest ITN item). Over the past four or five, the story's been arrests, video and state-sanctioned protests. That's not to say the death isn't the root of these problems, but the nom and the news are too closely timed to ignore here. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  For those following along at home, this is a reply to the first two paragraphs above. The third came later. It's clearer now that Levi already gets how the charges and video are bigger than the everyday police violence. And yes, nationwide protests are historic. That's why we write about them. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  I see your point, and even I have to admit it feels a bit weird placing higher priority on a darts championship for posting rather than the death of a man, but at the same time, if we were to post every tragic murder, or protest, that's literally all we would post. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  OK. Instead of posting every tragic murder or protest, how about we post just the ones that make international news for multiple days, like this one? How about we just post the ones where the President of the United States gives a speech about it, like this one? How about we just post the murders that lead to nationwide protests, like this one? How about just the ones where the article receives a million page views in the first couple days... like this one? Supporting this nom does not require changing any rules or even stretching the imagination. Opposing this nom does however require closing our eyes, both to our rules, to what's happening in the ITN box, to what our readers and the rest of the world are looking for, to the very purpose of ITN, to the very purpose of Wikipedia. Levivich (talk) 14:07, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Lots of things happen in the US that lead to international coverage and the press talking about, we don't post every one since that would set an undue bias on US events. We also carry little about page views, since we are not newspaper dependent on that to keep out of the red ink. And if we only post the most popular topics, then by TOP25, we should be posting about Avatar 2, The Last of Us, and several other pop culture topics.

  There is literally only one paragraph in the article about protests, and scanning news, there really isn't much at a national or international level about the protests that did happen. That is, while the press were gearing up for something as dire as the George Floyd protests, that simply didn't materialize in that expected manner.. what protests their were after the video release were tame. Thus the story here is not about the protests, but simply the arrest if the officers for murder, which is not the type if story we cover at ITN. Masem (t) 14:24, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  Couldn't have said it better myself PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:42, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  @Nableezy: You and I have been normally on diametrically opposing sides when it comes to ITN/C, but I couldn't agree with you more. You hit the nail right on the head. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I appreciate that, but Ive always been right, even when you were wrong ;) nableezy - 17:10, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Ah, never mind, here we are back to being diametrically opposed again. 😌 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:54, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I concur, I think Nableezy and Bestagon have summed up the arguments pretty well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• This blurb reads as a little sensationalist. Protests have not "erupted" - there have been a few and each have been of relatively small scale. I'm fine waiting, but as of now I would be opposed to this nom. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:28, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Switching my vote to oppose now, more or less per Masem, and also seeing as I feel the long-term impact of this incident really hasn't been substantiated. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Unfortunately police brutality in the US is very common, and Black Lives Matter protests too. Vriend1917 (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Police brutality may be common, an officer being charged with murder is not. nableezy - 18:33, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Police brutality might be common (although on a larger scale, while way too common, it's still rare), but not of this caliber, on video. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:27, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment If protests continue, we could instead post those to Ongoing instead of blurbing. Curbon7 (talk) 18:53, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support -- for all those opposing, would you oppose if this was happening in the UK? It seems to me that this more than meets the requirements to post; it is indeed "in the news" by any metric. Stop with the anti-Americanism. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Big difference: in the UK (in Europe in general), this doesn't usually happen. If it happened in Brazil, would you support it? I certainly wouldn't. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:13, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  What part of this story is it that you think usually happens in America, besides the initial beating of an unarmed Black man by police. Because it is unusual that there is video, that the police are fired, charged with murder, or that the video is released. It is unusual for multiple cities to have protests related to that video on one night. Which part of this is usual to you? nableezy - 21:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  If this happened in Brazil, and video were released, and people were outraged about it? Yes. Also, although police brutality is less common in the UK, it's not unheard of. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:11, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  I don't take the country into consideration when deciding significance. For something of a political nature, you might consider scope, impact, or duration, among other things:

  • The number of people directly affected is low. I would expect hundreds of thousands if not millions of people to be directly affected for it to be posted on the basis of scope.
  • There is no evidence of significant short-term impact. It's not likely that Memphis is going to be plunged into anarchy or have to undergo significant reconstruction, so it shouldn't be posted on the basis of impact.
  • There is no evidence that this will still be significant or relevant in WP:TWENTYYEARS, so there's no argument for duration.

  If any of these three things changes, then I would strongly reconsider my oppose !vote. Compare the Peru protests, for example, which brought parts of the country to a standstill and plausibly may have affected national-level governance. Anti-Americanism is certainly a problem, and it should be prohibited on Wikipedia just like any other bigotry, but I don't think this is it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 23:43, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Thebiguglyalien: The Memphis Scorpion Unit was just disbanded permanently and hundreds gathered in 'Washington Square Park' today. --Mhhossein ^talk 15:35, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  The disbanding is interesting, but it's a local task force. If it was the entire state law enforcement apparatus, I'd probably consider it significant. And I said "hundreds of thousands", not "hundreds". The fact that each of these protests are only a few hundred people essentially confirms to me that this doesn't reach the level of significance I'd expect for an ITN post. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  The broader incident is a top news anyway, be it local or countrywide. --Mhhossein ^talk 04:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major news, global RS coverage. I will remind users that !opposing "solely because the event is only relating to a single country" is invalid. Davey2116 (talk) 21:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Impacts seem exaggerated. Riots? Looking around, I see reports of his death - which may be notable. But nothing about riots, and the protests seem relatively peaceful. I am seeing lots of coverage - but not about riots. Did we do a RD for this? Nfitz (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

• No, because Tyre Nichols was not notable before he was murdered. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Correct, RDs cannot be run on people whose notability was as a result of their death, per WP:BLP1E. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 23:32, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  And the exact opposite guideline is in effect after much discussion at RD's parent article. If a person's name is in the title of a death article, they don't get removed at the end of the month. Any interpretations of BLP1E weigh less than Deaths in 20xx rules, to me. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Removed mention of riots in first blurb. Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 03:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Protests are not on a scale we typically look for at ITN. And as noted above, I'm not seeing a lot of "riots." -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:46, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

  Removed mention of riots in first blurb. Knightoftheswords281 (talk) 03:01, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose unfortunately, police brutality like this is fairly common in the United States, and there don't seem to be full-on riots yet. Protests like this is also fairly common in the U.S. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:31, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• No, per all above commenters. Bedivere (talk) 02:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I'm neutral on blurbing the death, but including the protests seems a bit disingenuous to me. So far they are very small scale (the article talks about "75 people", "a dozen protestors", and 3 arrests) and quite localized. On the other hand, we can't include the indictment of the officers because of BLP. YD407OTZ (talk) 04:29, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  I also dont think anything in BLP prevents us from saying four officers were charged with murder when they verifiably have been charged with murder. We arent saying they are guilty of murder, but it is an unambiguous fact they have been charged. nableezy - 05:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Well, the consensus below seems to be that it would be a BLPCRIME issue. YD407OTZ (talk) 02:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• ALT III Precise, concise and fair in its limited presumptions. If I have to nitpick, I'd only bolden the protests article instead of the death. The death is kind of stale. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:02, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support: The impact is high enough for ITN. For those who say this is common in US; maybe, but this one is exceptional due to footage release showing the police savage behavior and the fact that significant reactions were resulted (FBI director said he was "appalled" after watching the video!!!). Also, given the Brown and George Floyd experiences, and dozens of others, this one is even more news worthy. Ha? they did it again? Wow !--Mhhossein ^talk 15:23, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  You say "they did it again", but the consensus among criminologists is that this sort of phenomenon happens rather frequently in nearly every state, but it goes unreported due to lack of video evidence. That said, this is of course newsworthy due to the national fervor associated with its aftermath. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:34, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  Yes and I was careful enough to say "this one is exceptional due to footage release". --Mhhossein ^talk 04:44, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment It would be advisable to wait for sometime before posting this, to see if the protests prolong. Blurb and alt-blurb appear too verbose and exaggerative, the ones after these should be preffered. Gotitbro (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support: This is making front page news in Canada, which again is not America so the event is of international significance. 2607:9880:2D28:16:8D62:57BB:BA17:B0FE (talk) 18:42, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support As stated above, this is obviously more newsworthy than many of the things currently already on the Front Page. Even outside of the US, it won't be hard to find outlets reporting on this event. Here it is on Bolivia's Pagina Siete, Peru's El Comercio, France's France24, the UK's BBC, and so on and so forth. You know what none of these outlets mention? Western Shara's president getting reelected. Yet that's on there. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 20:32, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  If you have such strong opinions on the Western Sahara blurb, maybe you should've participated in that discussion. Or alternatively read WP:Consensus. Curbon7 (talk) 21:10, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  I have no issue with that blurb being there. I'm just saying that if that meets the newsworthy criteria, this likely does as well. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

• Comment honestly, the fact that we haven't posted this, when it's the headline news story across the world, makes us look silly. I'm not sure why there is such a strong anti-American bias in ITN, but it is annoying. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

  We are not beholden to posting a news story simply because it is being reported on. Again, that's Wiki-News territory. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  We are not, but we look like fools for not doing it. The whole point of ITN is to report things IN THE NEWS. This is about as "In The News" as you can get. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  No one here will look like a fool for a decision to support or oppose a ITN nom, and anyone reader who believes not posting a nom to ITN reduces our credibility is probably coming here for news and we are not a reporter of news. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:34, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I would say this falls under, "what if the media reported an expected riot, and nobody came?" BD2412 T 22:24, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose — The protests are not that notable. However, I'll change my vote to ongoing if there are continued protests, but that has so far not been demonstrated.
• Strong support. I will grant you that I do not check in on ITN all that often, but every time I have of late, I have been struck by just how completely un-anchored from WP:WEIGHT and WP:OR process here has become: instead of !votes rooted in coverage and RS, I invariably find the majority of positions (supporting and opposing entries, to be fair) more likely to be predicated in the completely subjective value-judgment assessments of editors as to why the subject is or is not "important" enough to mention--or sometimes based in thinly veiled rationalizations for the same. Police abuses (even those accompanied by protests, massive media attention, exceptional and noteworthy action by authorities at local, state, and federal levels, and significant political impacts) aren't warranted for inclusion unless the protests devolve into riots? Since when? Why? Where is this anywhere codified in policy or other formalized community consensus? What an arbitrary, ad-hoc, and completely irrelevant-under-our-policies argument.

Likewise, purely domestic/"internal" U.S. issues don't warrant inclusion? That's another one I see conveniently reached for as a thin cover for WP:IDONTLIKEIT (or more precisely IT'SNOTHINGBIGTOME), but again, where has the community ever enshrined this principle that "only subjects of global significance" are fit for ITN? If there's been a properly vetted change to a guideline regarding ITN in this respect, I'll be happy to eat some crow once someone shows it to me, but lacking that, this argument too is completely divorced from policy and established best practice on this project. (Edit: I just reviewed the current wording WP:ITN and discovered that not only are such arguments not endorsed by the guideline, but they are specifically identified as low-quality arguments to be avoided). As for the also prevalent position that WP:NOTNEWS somehow operates to keep mention of recent events out of the In the News section of the main page, that position is so manifestly, obviously, and profoundly obdurate that I don't even know how to approach someone making such an argument.

All of which is to say that the context of ITN is not so unique that the arguments here can abrogate or ignore our normal content policies. The only relevant evidence anyone should be advancing is that which is based in the volume and depth of coverage in sourcing, not idiosyncratic opinions directly from our editorial corps' mental processes as to why this subject is or is not "really important in the grander scheme of things". You think that "the media" is blowing the story out of proportion? Oh well, too bad--that is exactly as much an WP:OR argument here as it would be on the talk page for relevant articles. You know what we call "the media" in contexts such as this? WP:RELIABLE SOURCES--you know, the stuff we are supposed to be basing our content on, rather than our individual, personal opinions?

In those terms, this is unambiguous: this is front page news on papers across the U.S. and well beyond and is getting similar coverage on the airwaves, on online news pages, and new media: American news constitutes a relatively limited part of my personal media diet, and I see this story everywhere in the global press. Yes, more prominent in the anglophone sphere, of course, but hardly relegated to U.S. domestic press. And again, WP:ITN specifically notes that the existence or absence of major coverage in international press is a bad argument for or against inclusion of a particular topic, and that the volume, breadth, and depth of overall coverage is what is important. But even were international coverage a prerequisite, it would still be handily met here, by miles. This should be a WP:SNOW call for any editor basing their !vote on an objective WEIGHT test rather than a subjective personal assessment of the "actual importance" of the topic. SnowRise ^{let's rap} 03:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I could not have said it better myself. It seems like there's a contingent of Wikipedia that is simply unwilling to consider any actual news from the US to be "worthy" of ITN, even though this same contingent was fine with posting non-news from elsewhere, especially the UK. It's like yelling against the wind. I'm sympathetic to the fact that not every news story (or even most news stories) which are important in the US should be blurbed, but the only way someone can possibly believe that this story does not rise to the level of importance to merit a blurb is if they're ignoring the obvious; I don't mean any disrespect by that comment, but that's just how I see it. It makes Wikipedia look detached from reality. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• Support I generally oppose "routine" US stories such as most mass shootings because the vast majority are in the news (in the rest of the world) for a very short amount of time - purely because they're so regular. But this was top of the page in reliable sources for quite a few days - it does seem to have dropped off today, though it's still the 2nd story after the Pakistani bombing on BBC World News. I think it passes. Black Kite (talk) 14:15, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Support It is being widely covered in reliable sources and no issues with article quality. I think alt3 is best.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Comment -- given that there is consensus, can an admin please post this? Thanks. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 20:45, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

  I actually tend to think there is no consensus, and that if further participation doesn't occur, an admin will likely close it as such. Also, there are a god-awful high number of blurbs to pick from.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:42, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Of all the numbers in the multiple choice world, seven is probably the least ungodliest, and as a man with a rainbow connection, I'd expect higher praise of it from you. You're right that more than three options isn't conducive to helping a group that already disagrees agree in time, though. If that's what you meant. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

  Assuming consensus is determined by the weight of the arguments and not pure numbers, support should win out. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 18:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose didn't see much coverage in most of the world then, and there's even less of it now. Banedon (talk) 01:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Really? Because it's been in the news in the US and outside the US for the past week. Here is today's BBC story about it, and today's AP, and today's Reuters. Can anyone name another story from the US in the past 6 months that received international coverage every day for a week? Levivich (talk) 05:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Sure, the record high inflation & Ukraine war both heavily involve the US and have been receiving international coverage for months, if not years. Banedon (talk) 06:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Seriously, those are examples of stories from the US? You realize the first one is happening everywhere and the second one is not happening in the US? Levivich (talk) 06:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, those are examples of stories involving the US. If you disagree, I have no more comment. Banedon (talk) 06:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  @Banedon: Really now? Don't be disingenuous. You didn't say "involving the US". You said "FROM the US". Inflation and Ukraine are not stories FROM the US. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 08:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

  @Rockstone35 *I* didn't say "from the US". Levivich said it. Read the above carefully. Banedon (talk) 00:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

  Elon Musk bought Twitter FROM the American people. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support Now that some time has passed, it is clear this was a significant event with a significant response. Admin discretion on whichever of the seven(!) blurbs they favor. Curbon7 (talk) 15:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - Today was his funeral, it's in the news in Canada, the UK, Spain, France, Germany, China India, Japan, Australia, South Africa, Qatar, and of course BBC, AP, Reuters, AFP, and UPI. The first time I posted international coverage of this story was on Jan 27 UTC. Today is Feb 2 UTC. Over this period of time, the article has received over 1.5 million views. The "In the news" (ITN) section on the Main Page serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. ITN supports the central purpose of Wikipedia—making a great encyclopedia. Levivich (talk) 03:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

  But nothing significant has happened. There was some peaceful protests, but nowhere close to the level of protests that the George Floyd protests created (like all of 70 protestors in New Orleans yesterday). There is yet no convictions yet. There are more serious and sizable protests happening in other places in the world (like UK and France related to labor policies) that actually have a larger impact on the world than these, at this point. Maybe if the conviction comes down and these officers are acquitted, we're going to see the South and major urban centers light up and be larger than any prior events, at which point those protests would be ITN. But that's then, not now.

  I cannot stress more than enough that we (en.wiki) are not a newspaper, and when it comes to ITN we cannot follow what the news media thinks is important (otherwise, as I've pointed out, we've be flush with pop culture topics and US/UK daily politics, aka we are not a news ticker), nor are we here to serve readers that are coming here looking for newspaper content, at least at the cost of a quality encyclopedic article, Writing encyclopedia articles is at odds with trying to write like for newspaper (writing in broad, long-term approach rather than the day-by-day nitty gritty), which is why NOT#NEWS exists. We have people trying to detail the events in this case too narrowly (unlike the Floyd protests, there is almost no long-term impact of the day-to-day protests that need covering). Particularly when we consider how limited we can cover non-US and UK topics. I'm not saying we stymie ourselves in crafting articles on clearly notable events in the US and UK, but we should be writing as if they occurred 10 years ago and the small details are simply unnecessary, so that we have similar equity in article quality for notable events in other non-US/UK countries. Masem (t) 04:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

  Significant things that happened: (1) an unarmed black man was beaten to death by police officers, (2) it was captured on multiple videos, which were publicly released, (3) the police officers lied about it in their reports, as we learned in the last day or so, (4) the police officers are being charged with murder, and (5) this killing is leading to police reforms at various levels of government in the US. The nationwide protests were smaller than the George Floyd protests, but protests are not the point; the killing is the point. Apply any logical measure or test that results in the current ITN postings being a "pass", and this nomination is also a "pass" under that measure or test. Levivich (talk) 04:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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