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July 7

Hiding TfD notifications

My saved links page looks awful at the moment because of TfD notifications about one of the templates I've used on it. What would I have to put in my CSS to hide these notifications? Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 00:19, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Suntooooth: I have hidden it on the page itself.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! :] Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 01:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Chinese premiers

Hi, recently a editor named User:Utoppiaa575 caught my attention. They seemed to number every single premiers in China, but User:The_Account_2 kept reverting them. I'm here to ask do we need to number them? Martin^talk(sign) 04:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

No. Please don't. HiLo48 (talk) 04:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you help me tell him? Because i don't know why. Martin^talk(sign) 04:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Pages needing cleanup question

Done. (There was no urgency.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Please reply at the teahouse: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Please clarify. Thank you. 2601:644:9083:5730:240E:C260:4C41:7F43 (talk) 06:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Lorna Patterson's birth date

just trying to figure out how to bring to someone's attention that this article about Lorna Patterson has info that conflicts with all other sites I've visited. It's listed as Oct. 1,1956 in Wikipedia but is listed as July 1,1956 on all other sites I've visited. Just wanted to alert someone so that info can be verified/ confirmed to be valid. 2603:800C:3D06:D0EB:1599:5E71:1FC7:EA80 (talk) 11:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Go to Talk:Lorna Patterson, and there point out that she was born on July 1, 1956 according to two reliable sources that seem to be independent of each other. (Specify the sources, of course.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

The date of birth was changed from July 1,1956 by an IP editor without explanation in 2017 so I have changed it back and added (what looks like) a reliable source. The editor also changed the date of birth of Abby Elliott, but that had already been reverted. TSventon (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Is there a policy about using the quote parameter in a cite tag?

When adding or editing a ref using one of the cite tags, one parameter is the quote attribute which is for including "Relevant text quoted from the source".

I'm not finding any guidelines about when or how to use this parameter other than that. I prefer to include a brief sentence or clause via the quote parameter so that anyone can hover over the cite and see that it supports the referenced material. Of course, it needs to be short enough to not violate copyright, but other than that I'm not seeing any guidance.

Another editor on a page I watch is "fixing" cites and the quotes are being removed. I'm not sure if this is due to some policy, or it's an artifact of the visual editor (which has some issues with dealing with references). So, before I say "Hey, let's restore all these quotes in the citations" I'd like to know if I'm on solid ground. Thanks Mr. Swordfish (talk) 15:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Citations never require quotes, and many editors see them as unnecessary clutter. I'm not sure where the guidance on this is located, but I think the idea is that an editor can write whatever they want in the |quote= parameter, so the only real way to verify a citation supports a claim is to inspect the original source. In practice, quotes inside citation templates have a tendency to duplicate the text citing them. Folly Mox (talk) 15:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

A pox on |quote= which causes way too much clutter. For the record, I am not the editor who is removing quotations from articles on OP's watchlist. If the quotation is necessary for the article, place the quotation in the article and cite it. Quotations require citations; citations do not require quotations.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

So, it seems like there is varying opinion about whether to include this parameter, but no consensus or policy one way or another. Is this a correct reading?

Seems to me that when citing a long article (or a book) a concise excerpt means someone trying to validate the citation doesn't have to hunt for it. But this is just my opinion, and I didn't start this thread to solicit opinion, I'm looking for policy or some other guidance ala the MOS. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 16:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

No pox from me! In principle, a citation asserts that the cited source contains text to support the claim. The challenge is how to verify which portion of the text actually supports the claim ... and when there are multiple claims/sources involved, you don't even know which claim is supported by which source. Providing a quote means that you're making very clear what content you feel supports the pertinent claims. Having the precise text enables the reader to determine if the claim actually is supported by the text. That's a lot easier than reading through perhaps a chapter of text and wondering which content presumably supports a given claim. Fabrickator (talk) 16:41, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Clearly we are going to disagree. But could you clarify? You wrote and when there are multiple claims/sources involved, you don't even know which claim is supported by which source. What? Each claim should be paired with its own citation so that the claim/source pairing is clear. If the condition you describe refers to a bundle of citations (WP:BUNDLING), it is better unbundle so that each claim is independently sourced and cited. If that is not what you mean, please explain.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've found WP:FQ which says

A footnote may also contain a relevant quotation from the source. This is especially helpful when the cited text is long or dense. A quotation allows readers to immediately identify the applicable portion of the reference. Quotes are also useful if the source is not easily accessible. However, caution should be exercised, as always, to avoid copyright violations.

So, it's not required but may be "especially helpful" or "useful". Basically, it's the editors' call in any specific instance. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 16:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

This feels like cherry picking. The first sentence of Wikipedia:Citing sources § Additional annotation reads:

In most cases it is sufficient for a citation footnote simply to identify the source (as described in the sections above); readers can then consult the source to see how it supports the information in the article.

Taken as a whole, I read the WP:FQ guidance to mean: quote when necessary else leave the quotations out.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

That's not how I read it. A cite is sufficient without a comment, which implies comments are not a requirement. But they may be "useful" or "helpful" and I don't see anything that implies they should be included only when necessary. That seems to be making things up. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 21:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Presumably those who hew to may be "useful" or "helpful" see the inclusion of quotations as necessary to some degree. I'm pretty sure that I never said only when necessary. (emphasis mine). I do not believe that may be "useful" or "helpful" should be used by editors as a 'carte blanche' to insert quotations into references that they create.

Yes, my personal view is that quotations are rarely necessary in any sense of that word. I believe that lifting a quotation out of its source deprives the quoted text of its context. Without context, the meaning of a quotation gets fuzzy. Nothing at en.wiki is permanent so quoted text is subject to the same 'improvements' that are applied to regular article text (spelling, punctuation, etc) which can alter a quotation's meaning; I have seen quotation text that has been altered by (perhaps well meaning) editors modernizing archaic language, for example. An already fuzzy quotation becomes fuzzier. Quotations are fragile. For these reasons, I do not accept that quotations ensure that the reader can see precisely what we claim is supported by the source. Let the readers themselves decide what the source actually says.

The only necessary use for |quote= that comes to mind is as an in-source locator when the cited text lacks any other form of in-source locator (page number, section number, etc); this is an issue that arises when citing certain ebooks. For these cases, a brief incipit of minimal length that can be used as a search string is sufficient to help the reader locate the text that our editor claims will support our article's text.

Yeah, I know, you didn't want opinion but there it is anyway.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

my account

I recently created an account and the same day, I got a message saying one of my recent edits were undone. I did not make an edit and I was wondering if this has ever happened before; if it was a mistake, if someone else used my account or if something else happened. Thanks, P — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peetzareea (talk • contribs) 17:17, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peetzareea: Contributions by your username can be found at Special:Contributions/Peetzareea, which you can also access via the "user contributions" item in the "tools" menu. If you did not make these contributions, then someone else is making edits under your user name. Change your password and log out, and always log out when you leave your computer from now on. -Arch dude (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peetzareea: The first edit [2] claiming Catherine Eddowes had 18 children was made 2 minutes after you created the account. Considering the speed, if it wasn't you then it was probably somebody using the device you created the account with. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

My Bitcoin address: what is my IP

string/ HTTPS in the world 🌎 🌍 🌍 2600:1700:5060:32B0:ED:4B42:5A8F:752B (talk) 17:25, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

5060:32B0:ED:4B42752B:5A8F:752B 2600:1700:5060:32B0:ED:4B42:5A8F:752B (talk) 17:26, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

This is the Help Desk for editing Wikipedia- we cannot help with bitcoin. Qcne (talk) 17:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Appointment Mohammad Rasool Mohammadi

Respected Sir/Ma'am

Greetings! Hope this email reaches you well.

I am Mohammad Rasool Mohammadi an Afghan National, i worked in different capacity to backed GOIRA (Government of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan) for bringing peace and stability in Afghanistan, and i also did the social activities especially in women empowerment, Human right and etc. As now GOIRA ( Government of Islamic Republic of Afghanistan) collapsed and the coalition forces are pulled out from Afghanistan, now due to my previous activities my personal safety became under tremendous threats, therefore I'm requesting to apply for the international protection act to find a safe haven for myself. I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely Mohammad Rasool Mohammadi 119.59.87.104 (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. This is a forum for getting help editing Wikipedia, and we are unable to help with other matters. We have no affiliation with any national governments or international organisations. AntiDionysius (talk) 17:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

strange sentence in Myxococcus

Hello,

I just found this sentence: "Myxococcus is a single celled predatory bacteria that are facultative bacteria." Some sense can be guessed but it looks rather strange to me. In particular, what does "facultative bacteria" mean? A bacteria is not "facultatively" a bacteria - it's one or it's not - even though it can form colonies acting like a single organism that does not resemble bacteria at first glance. 176.159.12.72 (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Facultative bacteria is a redirect to Facultative anaerobic organism, so I assume that article describes what is meant by "facultative" in the usage in question. Deor (talk) 23:10, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

We have a topic page Facultative. It might be intended to refer to their Quorum sensing abilities, but that article does not use the term, nor do the three references cited in the relevant paragraph, so I think that usage would be dubious and certainly in need of clarification. Is there a Microbiologist in the house? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 07:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you ask for clarification on the talk page of that article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

July 8

Where do I give feedback on the Talk page software?

Greetings and felicitations. Where do I give feedback on the software used on Talk pages such this very one—the software I am using right now? —DocWatson42 (talk) 00:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

See "How to report a bug" (which covers suggestions as well as complaints). -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah—thank you. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 02:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@DocWatson42: There is often a more specific place for something. There is different software to edit this page. The "New topic" tag in your edit summary [3] indicates "Enable quick topic adding" is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. When you use it there should be a "Share feedback about this feature" link at the bottom going to mw:Talk:Talk pages project/New discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you the pointer. The problem is finding where that place is. :-/ I did check my preferences before posting, but did not locate anything that seemed relevant. —DocWatson42 (talk) 09:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Atty. Claire Castro

Who is Atty. Claire Castro? 2600:1700:7430:5C80:295B:3913:DE37:1FC3 (talk) 01:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Is this a question about the use of Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, she is a YouTuber. See here. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 11:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

copying a Wikipedia page into my sandbox

I can't see how to copy a Wikipedia page into a sandbox and edit it there. I felt that I should because when In tried to edit the real page I got an error message when previewing it and everything I tried warned that my edits might be lost. PedantJFH (talk) 02:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Your description of what you want to do isn't entirely clear, PedantJFH, but it does sound very similar to what Robert McClenon warned you not to attempt eight years ago. Robert McClenon described ways by which you might succeed in achieving your aims. Did he misunderstand you? Or do I misunderstand you when I infer that you're still trying to do what he warned you not to attempt? -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Nothing prevents you working on specific portions of text of an existing article in a sandbox like User:PedantJFH/sandbox, if that's what you mean. WP:COPYPASTE may be of relevance. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

What is the name for this practice on Wikipedia?

I remember reading (on the Wikipedia namespace) about a particular practice where a page is moved from Title A to Title B (and the two titles have no relationship to each other) and its contents completely changed from that of Title A to that of Title B. I noticed that this particular practice isn't even listed on the Vandalism page. What is the name of this practice, and on which WP namespace article(s) has this practice been documented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.100.178 (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps there's a reason you don't know. -- Hoary (talk) 06:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Article hijack Meters (talk) 06:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Two good answers from Hoary and Meters, which are concise for good reason. WP:DENY is also worth reading. Cullen328 (talk)

How early on is an article able to be AfD'd?

This is a question that has been on the tip of my tongue until about 5 minutes ago, when an article which needs a pronto deletion was created. It doesn't meet the WP:SPEEDYDELETE criteria, but meets other criteria for deletion. So my question is, do I have to wait to AfD an article, or can I just go ahead with it? Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 06:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

There is literally no minimum time and if the article clearly does not comply with policies and guidelines, you can nominate it at AfD immediately. However, if the article is being actively edited to improve it in the period right after creation, I would recommend waiting until the article stabilizes before nominating it for deletion, and only after a good faith search for sources demonstrating notability, as described at WP:BEFORE. Editors perceived as aggressive deletionists who have not done their notability homework in advance may receive an unfriendly response. Cullen328 (talk) 07:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay. This is an article topic that has already been quasi-deleted before (creator moved it back to draftspace because of an immediate AfD), and the WikiProject it falls under have specific WP:TOOSOON rules. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 07:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Eastern Suburbs Rugby Union Football Club

Having an issue with an editor Peejay.

Vandalizing the site by removing notability.

Changing the page name from the legal name registered with ASIC.

I have seen this behaviour before as it this is the first steps that editors go through to then recommend a page for deletion.

This usually occurs from people with some affiliation with NSW rugby.

I have asked him to cease and desist from making changes. But he is going way to far.

He has even threatened me. 13:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Mmunji1 (talk) 13:32, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Mmunji1 for the page name, we use the name that most people call it, so it is easier to look up the article. The legal name is in the first sentence.

The majority of the #Premierships and #Eightball sections are unreferenced, and honestly they should mostly be removed, with the most important ones remaining there, to balance the article out so it isn't just listing a bunch of awards.

Since you have a conflict of interest with Eastern Suburbs RUFC (Tasmania) you should really avoid editing the article directly to avoid making the article too promotional. If you are paid to do so you have to disclose your relationship (see link).

Peejay saying If you revert again, I will escalate this discussion to the admins. is too far in my opinion. But he is right that you need to talk it out, and that you should not automatically assume that he has an agenda against the football club. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I do not have a conflict of interest. I am not an officer of the club. I am not paid to do anything at all. Mmunji1 (talk) 13:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Your statement on my talk page where you said "We have issues with NSW and persons from that state trying to take ownership of the name" suggested you did have some sort of official involvement with the club. If that is not the case, I apologise, but being paid is not the only thing that creates a conflict of interests, it just means you are required to declare it; even if you are just a member of the club, that is a conflict of interests that means you should be discouraged from editing this article. Nevertheless, I have noted that much of the content of the article was lifted directly from the club's website. This is not allowed due to copyright law. The content on the club's website belongs to them and cannot be reproduced here verbatim. I've been looking very carefully at this article, and to be honest, I'm struggling to see how the club satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines; however, I don't care enough to start the deletion procedure. If someone else wants to, I would probably support it, but it's not worth my time to lead the discussion. I'll also point out that the only person to have made any meaningful contribution to this article is Mmunji1 themself. Read into that what you will, Sungodtemple. – PeeJay 14:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Notability has been proven and should not be removed. The majority of sporting pages refer to premierships and Australian representation. Mmunji1 (talk) 13:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "notability has been proven and should not be removed". I am extremely dubious that a listing on what appears to be their own site, and two articles in newspapers which do not appear themselves to be significant enough to be covered in Wikipedia, and without bylines or (in one case) even a title, add up to establishing notability. I have tagged the article as requiring more sources and possibly failing to establish notability.

Also, Mmunji1, please read what Wikipedia means by vandalism before you throw that accusation around again. ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Edoardo

Please check reference number 1 - it is in red. thank you 175.38.37.197 (talk) 13:36, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Seems the edit adding a reference was reverted. You may want to ask the reverting editor why. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Not previously involved, but examining the History, the (defective) reference was added by the OP above. This was correctly reverted by Dr. Chance Padberg, and then re-added with the error corrected by EarthquakeInterest.

The reference is being used to corroborate a variant spelling – 'Edorardo' – of the name that otherwise does not appear in the list article, and appears only once in one other article in Wikipedia that also refers to the same person as 'Edoardo', and that uses the same reference.

However, the linked source does not use the spelling 'Edorardo', it uses 'Edoardo', so the citation is incorrect.

I have therefore removed the variant and reference from Edoardo, and corrected what was obviously a typo in the other article. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Appropriate statements on user page

Is it OK to reveal my political opinions on my user page? If so, is it advised? Thank you. YoPienso (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I would say it is generally ok but personally I don't see the point. WP:UP#NOT has more detailed information on what is not permitted on user pages. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:Political user templates contains some templates that you can use for this purpose. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! YoPienso (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Errors on Wikipedia page Glen George

Please would you update the Wikipedia page listed as Glenn George has some errors.

my name is spelt Glenn MAXFIELD George and not Glen Maxwell George as listed.

would you update please.

thank you

Glenn Maxfield7 (talk) 18:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for letting us know

As it happens, the error had already been corrected when you posted here. TSventon (talk) 18:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Erroneous entries

Someone created a wiki page for me. He created reference that don't exist, biased the page unfairly in his favor, diminished the influence I had in the research field and generally distorted the story of my professional career. I want to edit the page to make it reflect a truer and more honest accounting of my life Frank Werblin (talk) 21:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frank Werblin It would be unwise to perform edits to Frank Werblin yourself, but you may use the article's talk page to request that it be edited. {{Edit COI}} should be used, with the instructions for use at the link. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Frank Werblin "would" is now irrelevant, because it was unwise.

Now, this gets difficult. This is the internet. While we have no reason to doubt that you are Werblin, we also have no reason to know that you are, and this makes life interesting. It is conceivable that someone might masquerade as Werblin in order to discredit while stating that they are Werblin wishing to correct a great wrong. I'm sure you understand these mental gymnastics.

It is shutting of the stable door post horse exit at speed to state here that you "want" to edit the page when you have already and been reverted multiple times.

Use of {{Edit COI}} prevents this by creation of full transparency, thus it protects Frank Werblin from User:Frank Werblin who is probably the same person but may not be. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:20, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

July 9

Need help with an editnotice

I created an editnotice for my alternative user talk page, why isn't it working? — AP 499D25 (talk) 04:22, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@AP 499D25 Wikipedia:Editnotice says that Anyone can create an editnotice for a user or user talk page. (But editnotices for user sub-pages can only be created by admins, template editors, and page movers.), which means you'll have to request that Template:Editnotices/Page/User talk:AP 499D25/AltSpace be created by placing the {{edit template-protected}} template on Template talk:Editnotices/Page/User talk:AP 499D25/AltSpace '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! I knew there would be and I think I may have read something like that, but somehow I had completely missed it this time. — AP 499D25 (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Tasmanian Steam Navigation Company

I have additional information for the Tasmanian Steam Navigation Company page but I am 82 years of age and I really can not figure out what to do. Can somebody download my input for me please? 139.168.199.245 (talk) 04:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

If the information has references then we will welcome it. If it is simply personal reflection with no references then we cannot. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Timken Company

Reference help requested. How to fix this title error Thanks, Natashamishra (talk) 06:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Natashamishra When you gets errors like that in the future it is best to compare what you did with what was there before You had erased a "|"character. What is your connection with Timken/Metallus, if any, please? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:53, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

No connection. It came up as a suggestion editing task to update the article Natashamishra (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Natashamishra Thank you for this clear statement. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Address on Wikipedia article

I have adjusted the address on Wikipedia article, however, the map is still showing the outdated one. I have also adjusted address on OpenStreetMap, but nothing changes. What should I do? EFIEDUCATION (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Based on the OP's previous post, this relates to the Fashion Retail Academy article. TSventon (talk) 11:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

EFIEDUCATION address and geo coordinates have to be changed separately. You can look up an online address-to-geo coord converter, put in the new address, and put the correct coordinates into Fashion Retail Academy's Wikidata entry. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Never mind. Someone already updated the Wikidata entry. The article is still confused though - interestingly enough, the map is centered on the wrong location but has the marker in the correct spot. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:23, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: The centering of the map was based on the coordinates in Wikidata, which were for the previous location. I've changed them, and the map is now properly centered. Deor (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@EFIEDUCATION:@Sungodtemple: OK, I was confused, since the Fashion Retail Academy article itself still had the coordinates of the former location. I've emended them and undone my Wikidata change, so now the map is showing the correct location (though still uncentered, since it is trying to include both the old location and the new one). Perhaps the centering issue is a caching problem that will be cleared up in time. Deor (talk) 16:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

dashavatar

it says gautham budda but it is actually balaram please can you cange that 117.241.62.72 (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Please post your suggestion on the talk page Talk:Dashavatara. Balarama is mentioned several times in that article, as well as Gautama, so I cannot tell what change you are suggesting: please be clearer. ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Party colour in table

Could someone have a look at the table in Waveney_Valley_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Boundaries and point out the presumably blindingly obvious mistake I'm making? To me, the code I'm using for party colo(u)r seems to match that in the table in Waveney_Valley_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Members_of_Parliament, but it isn't working. I asked at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics_of_the_United_Kingdom#Party_colour_in_table:_Help! an hour ago but no-one seems to be picking up on it, and the article looks a bit of a mess (though I've still got {{in use}} on it, as an excuse). PamD 15:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@PamD: Try this. I think the line breaks are important? DanCherek (talk) 15:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@DanCherek Brilliant, thanks. I thought I'd tried every variation of line breaks, but evidently not. Tables really are somewhat bewildering! Thanks again. PamD 15:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Post a Biography

Hello, I would like to post the biography of a Trinidad and Tobagoian psychiatrist and researcher who has added to the history of suicide information. Please advise on how I could do that. TrinbagoianNetwork (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

It would have to be someone who met the notability guideline. It is also important to avoid conflict of interest situations.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TrinbagoianNetwork. Many people who try the challenging task of creating a new article without spending a considerable time learning how Wikipedia works and how to interact with other editors, have a frustrating and miserable experience. I always advise new editors to not even think about creating a new article until they have spent at least a few weeks making improvements to existing articles, and learning about such core concepts as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability.

Once they have an understanding of those ideas, then is the time to read your first article carefully, and start looking for the reliable independent sources| without which an article is impossible. If they can find these, then they can start writing a summary of what those sources say - not a summary of what they themselves know about the subject. ColinFine (talk) 19:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Is it really a Featured List?

A brand new article, Ranveer Singh Filmography, has a star at the top to proclaim that it is a Featured List. I would like to verify if this is true - is there somewhere to check whether a particular article is actually a Featured List? I looked at Wikipedia:Featured lists but it does not appear to have any search capability like this. Gronk Oz (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

It is not listed at WP:FL so I have removed the Featured list template. Also a FL would normally have an Article history with a link to the FL nomination discussion on its talk page. TSventon (talk) 16:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thanks for that. For the dummies, where were you able to check this on WP:FL? I looked all over there, but could not see where I could verify this... --Gronk Oz (talk) 16:27, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: I unhid the Media section and checked Wikipedia:Featured lists#Filmographies. TSventon (talk) 16:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thanks! --Gronk Oz (talk) 01:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Accessing

I'm able to input the subject I'm interested in......when I open your website I cannot find the usual space which allows me to type in my inquiry. Do28ris (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Do28ris, that happens when the screen is too narrow to display a search box. There should be a magnifying glass icon at the top of the page and if you click on it the search box should come back. TSventon (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft review

Draft review process Buddy Bio (talk) 20:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

What is your question? You resubmitted Draft:Rashtriya Jankranti Morcha six days ago, and you have continued to make improvements to it. It does not look to me as if you have enough sources that meet the triple criteria in 42 to establish notability, as many of them seem to be mere listings, or about their performance in a particular election. But I may be wrong. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Downtown Community School

Is it possible to add several other prominent alumni to the entry on Downtown Community School? If so, how does one go about doing that? 2601:40F:4400:C220:1DFD:6ED7:2789:D0ED (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello. The article Downtown Community School is in poor condition, probably because it closed down 53 years ago, and few people care about it now. As for alumni, Richard Kostelanetz is the first one mentioned, but no reference to a reliable source is given, and his own biography article does not mention that he attended the school. That is not good at all. The relevant policy is verifiability. My opinion, which is widely shared, is that only alumni who are the subjects of Wikipedia articles should be included as alumni, and it us not the role of an individual Wikipedia editor to decide that some person is "prominent". So, if you want to add alumni, I recommend that you limit yourself to those who already have Wikipedia biographies that verify that the people in question attended the Downtown Community School. Cullen328 (talk) 21:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Please read WP:ALUMNI for details. Cullen328 (talk) 21:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

vector 2010 reference tooltip

Recently I've found the reference tooltip in large text, and don't know how to change it to small Jag1762010 (talk) 23:54, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jag1762010: It will probably soon change after discussion at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-ReferenceTooltips.js#Update request 9 July 2024. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

July 10

Sources

How do I put the source on Wikipedia? Thank you. Junurita (talk) 04:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Junurita. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Junurita (talk) 06:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Junurita, please also read reliable sources to learn about the types of sources that are acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 06:13, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Deleting a user page

Hello, someone else created my user page, mistaking it for my talk page (that user is now perma-blocked). Is it possible to delete my user page again (i.e. the link to it is "red" again)? I come from de:wikipedia, where this is possible. Thanks in advance! MeAmME (talk) 07:53, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, see WP:U1. TSventon (talk) 08:04, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Bio of a living person

Hi! I would like to create an article about a public person, a politician. He/she is charged with attempted murder, it is in the indictment, plus I have some 17 sources that claim the same. He/she was in prison for that, but released because got elected and has immunity now. Is it against the BLP policy of the Wikipedia to write it down the article that he/she is charged with attempted murder? Addmorefueltothefire (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:SUSPECT (presumption of innocence) and WP:NPOL (notability) to help you decide whether this article should be created. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 10:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Addmorefueltothefire, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia.

I would very strongly advise against doing this, for several reasons.

First, creating a new article, even on an uncontroversial topic, is much more challenging than most new editors imagine, and where people try to do so without first spending some weeks or months practising editing Wikipedia and learning how Wikipedia works, they usually have a frustrating and disappointing time, and often do not succeed in creating an article at all. With a possibly controversial topic, this can be even worse.

Secondly, Claudine has drawn your attention to the special concerns for writing about people accused of crimes.

Thirdly, your language above, together with your chosen account name, make me think that you have strong opinions about this person's guilt, one way or another. Please be aware that advocacy of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia, and coming in with that intention would make the task harder still. Please see WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, ColinFine (talk) 14:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This is the help desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

HaMerotz LaMillion (and all of its' seasons)

The articles about the TV show HaMerotz LaMillion, the Israeli version of The Amazing Race (General article, season 1, season 2, season 3, season 4, season 5, season 6, season 7, season 8, and the ongoing season 9) all don't have sources and are too much database-like (Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a database). The creator of this database that I will on purpose not tag (Xoruz) has been working on this for years, and has not been caught doing this yet. It includes episode-specific summaries, every and every spot the participants visited, and the worst part - it has almost no sources. Even the original, Hebrew article isn't this detailed.

In addition to that, it contains spoilers for future legs of the race (in the current season).

Do we ask them to condense the article dramatically, or delete them since there is no way to get sources? In my opinion, deleting the articles will extremely depress the creator, since this is obviously an obsessive personal project. And of course there is also a possibility to leave this as it is, though that would go against the rules of Wikipedia, unless the rules are different for TV shows and series.

CRplayz7 (talk) 11:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I am active on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and less on the English one, so if it looks weird that I don't have a user or talk page - that's why :) CRplayz7 (talk) 11:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@CRplayz7: I'm not going to evaluate the articles but MOS:PLOTSOURCE says: "The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations, as it is generally assumed that the work itself is the primary source for the plot summary." PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response!

I'll leave the sources outside. The spoilers regarding the future legs of the race in season 9 are not of the work YET - and should be deleted, in my opinion.

In addition, the article is way too long and unnecessary. Therefore, I suggest placing the condense article template in the top of the page. Since I'm not a regular user on this Wikipedia, and don't know the template names, I wanted to know what's the procedure for placing them and if someone would be so kind to do so.

Thank you! CRplayz7 (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter CRplayz7 (talk) 14:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

First, MOS:TVPLOT allows episode summaries of 200 words, and each individual episode summary for HaMerotz LaMillion 9 is compliant. Second, you removed two outside sources that listed future legs. Spoilers that are properly cited are allowed under Wikipedia:Spoiler. Also, there are 34 sources for season 9. What do you mean no sources? Xoruz (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Prime Hunter has brought the sources not being needed to my attention.

Regarding the spoilers - someone who wants to check out what happened in the previous episodes doesn't have to see the future legs - it ruins the experience and doesn't add anything to the article. It's just annoying. CRplayz7 (talk) 05:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

(Untitled)

Why can't I insert photos into my membership page? Thank you. Junurita (talk) 12:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita which 'membership page' are you referring to? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

My membership page. Junurita (talk) 00:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Junurita. If you mean your user page, then you are permitted to add photos to it, provided they meet the usual requirements of copyright. Please see Help:Upload. ColinFine (talk) 14:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I have the copyright to that photo, but it says there is an error and cannot be uploaded. Junurita (talk) 00:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding on as an alumni to my highschool page

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm16015324/ Nprosper01 (talk) 14:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Don't. Read WP:ALUMNI, and WP:IMDB. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Nprosper01 (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

How to change talk signature?

Currently working with the preferences box to try to change my signature. I just want it lowercase. From the preview window it looks like it worked guninvalid (talk) 18:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Your signature is "guninvalid (talk)" wich is indeed lowercase so it worked. The signature setting doesn't affect anything else. You may want to use {{lowercase title}} on your user and talk page but your real username shown in page histories and many other places cannot be lowercase. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Fault in a 'Help' page (non-working video tutorial)

What are the best places to report faults? In this case, the fault is with a video tutorial on the following 'Help' page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Sandbox_tutorial) with the video failing to play. I've checked the page for the video file at Wikimedia Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutorial_on_starting_a_sandbox_article_on_Wikipedia.ogv) & attempting to play the video there produces the following error message "No compatible source was found for this media.". As well, the page shows caption text that may suggest that the file has been hacked? I've been through the 'Help' pages & there's no obvious place to report a fault like this. What do you recommend? Bluevista99 (talk) 18:54, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

It is better to report this problem at the Commons' help desk. Ruslik_Zero 19:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Bluevista99: It works for me in Firefox 127.0.2. What is your browser and version? See Help:Media. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

how to change a title for an article?

I have a task to edit and correct an article for a governmental event, and I was able to edit everything but could not change its title. So what can the problem be? Janaalrifaey (talk) 22:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Janaalrifaey. This is about the World Government Summit. If you have been "tasked" with editing this article, then please make the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure with your next edit. You cannot change the title because you are not WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, which requires an account four full days old and 10 edits. WP:COMMONNAME is the relevant guideline. For a "governmental event", we do not use the official government name, but rather the name used by most of the reliable sources discussing the event. Cullen328 (talk) 01:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, changing an article's title is not done by editing it in the same way as its content, but by another process, which I will not mention at this point since it's unclear as yet if you should be doing so. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.6.82.201 (talk) 07:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

July 11

How to link to a different language wiki in the "website" field of "cite website?"

This works: <ref>{{cite web |last1=Washington |first1=George |title=Revolutionary War Begins |url=https://example.com |website=[[The Pennsylvania Gazette]]}}</ref> (example)

ie. putting wikilinks like website=[[The Pennsylvania Gazette]] in the cite web website field

But this does not:

<ref>{{cite web |last1=Washington |first1=George |title=Revolutionary War Begins |url=https://example.com |website=[[zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)]]}}</ref> (example)

but this does generally does work on mainspace pages: [[zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)]] zh:公报_(宾夕法尼亚)

This is especially important when citing WP:NOENG, so that readers can find more information about the source being cited as they are probably not familiar with it. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)