Talk:Alice Kober

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Review: April 6, 2022. (Reviewed version).

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1951 Minos vol. 1 - Obituary with more details

Minos vol. 1 is now available online at: http://campus.usal.es/~revistas_trabajo/index.php/0544-3733/article/viewFile/2246/2300 and has some more details of Alice Kober's life. I haven't had the opportunity to translate it yet, but added it to the Refs section and would love if someone could add details if I don't have the near-future opportunity to do so. Thanks! k. da-ma-te (talk) 05:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nachruf: † Alice E. Kober. In: Minos 1, 1951, S. 138-139. Volltext (PDF, 100 kB) --Hedwig Storch (talk) 14:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 22:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get to this in the next day or two. Ealdgyth (talk) 22:33, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
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a (major aspects): b (focused):
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Fair representation without bias:
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Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Early life:
- Link for "Minoan scripts"?
- Link for "MA" and "PhD" in "awarded an MA from Columbia in 1929, and a PhD in 1932"?
  - Both added Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I assume she never married? If we don't know, we don't know, but if we know, we should probably mention it briefly.
- She never married; aside from the occasional mystery novel she appears to have spent literally all her free time studying languages and working on Linear B. Added a mention. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason her papers are at UT Austin ... I would have expected Brooklyn or Columbia. Again, if we don't know, it's not a requirement for the article, but it's a bit odd.
- Good question – I've done some digging and it looks like she originally left them to Emmett L. Bennett Jr., one of her scholarly correspondents. (Possibly in part because he was based in the States, and getting them to Myres in Oxford or Sundwall in Helsinki would have been more difficult). Bennett had been professor at UT Austin during the 1950s, so his connections there must have been why he gave Kober's archives (along with his own) to there, but I can't find a source to specifically state that. Added some more detail on what happened to Kober's papers to the article. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's... it. Very excellent article. Please do check my copyedits.
I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool shows no sign of copyright violation.
I did some copyediting - please make sure I didn't mangle the meaning or distort things.

I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your helpful comments, Ealdgyth. I have addressed all but one of them with comments inline.

The one remaining problem is the "Minoan scripts" in the section on early life. The issue I have is that there's no appropriate link I can find which discusses all of the Cretan scripts together - Minoan language talks about the hieroglyphs and Linear A, but omits Linear B, the most important for Kober's story. None of the sources explicitly say that Kober's introduction to the Minoan scripts as an undergraduate included Linear B, though it surely would have; is simply substituting "Linear B" for "the Minoan scripts" here sailing too close to WP:OR? What do you think? Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We already link Linear B - the lack of mention of it in Minoan language isn't a problem with linking there - there SHOULD be some mention in Minoan language about Linear B (hey, guess what you may need to work on next!) I'd say go with linking to "Minoan language", which seems the best fit. Ealdgyth (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay: linked Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 20:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good, passing this now. Ealdgyth (talk) 13:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]