Talk:Anúna

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Conflict of Interests

I have added the COI tag because this article has been edited by an author who shares a name with the group and by an IP address which clearly (and openly) is associated with either the band or its website. Please see comments on my Talk page: User talk:DanielRigal#Anuna Sources for proof. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I have to say Daniel that this looks like being exactly the mess I predicted. I've corrected the incorrect title for The National Entertainment Award that is given in the AllMusic guide back from the National Endowment Award. I would also point out that the BBC Prom review is NOT of Anuna, but Liam O Flynn. If the purpose was to simply show that Anuna were there at the time, then thats all it does. It also, however, gives a misleading impression that the choir received a bad review when in fact we are not reviewed at all. The only review that appeared in print of our section of the concert was on April 16 1999 in The Independent. This does not appear in their digital archive, but is correct while the one footnoted here is misleading. If all that is needed is a confirmation that we did the gig there are other online references to the concert. So - should the review be removed, as it is misleading, or should it stay and mislead? Please advise...

194.46.243.141 (talk) 15:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I am going to revert back to National Endowment Award, for now, because we have one (supposedly) reliable source that says that and zero that say otherwise. If you can point us at a more canonical source for these particular awards then that is fine. Once we have proof that the name should be "entertainment" then it will be changed.

The review is solely to prove that the group was at the BBC Prom. We really don't care whether it is a good or a bad review. I searched for "Anúna BBC Prom" and that was the only relevant thing I found so I don't see much scope for replacing it. A review is not misleading just because you don't agree with the author's opinion. I didn't add it out of malice. It was the only thing I could find to substantiate the BBC Prom. Without it, we would have to remove the BBC Prom part completely as unverifiable. Of course, if you can find an alternative independent reference which provides more detailed coverage we can consider using that either instead or in addition. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Um... so Wikipedia use AllMusic as a primary source? I am surprised, as from what I can see in the biog it has inaccuracies in it. I have no control over what AllMusic print, but having accepted the award on the stage of the National Concert Hall [and having seen it three times today] I can tell you that it is called Entertainment and not Endowment. The awards were long gone by the digital age so there is no reference to it. It is somewhat sad to think that groups with any longevity are to be penalised because their hard-won achievements are discounted in an age where it simply does not exist if you can't find it on Google. As it stands you are printing a factual inaccuracy, and has implications for the quality of your policies for primary and acceptable sources.

If the Proms review of Liam O Flynn is included solely to prove we were there then that again questions Wikipedia's policies in relation to such reference. Why not use any of these http://www.highbeam.com/Search.aspx?q=anuna+proms - Again it is sad that a non-archived review is discounted simply because it isn't online. Having written many papers with footnotes for my English degree, there were no links to click. If people want to find out the veracity of the footnote and it isn't digitally archived, then it simply should not be discounted. If this is Wikipedia policy, then it trivialises non-digital primary sources, and that, from an academic standpoint, is not acceptable I would say. I think again Daniel that you assume I am trying to control the information that is presented here. If the review was accurate and considered and bad, that would be perfectly acceptable, but this review is misleading without a doubt, and casts a negative implication on our performance to anyone who reads it. It isn't a review of Anuna. It is a review of the first part of the concert only of which we are were not part. It is, understandably, galling to have you cite it as a reliable reference when it so obviously is not reliable as a primary source. Indeed it negates the simple achievement of being the first Irish classical group to appear at the BBC Proms.Anuna (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not going to pay to read those articles but if somebody else does, or finds alternative sources of the articles, or if it is clear just from the abstract that they are usable, then we will use them. As for the award, just point us at their website with the correct name then that will trump Allmusic's apparent mistake and we can change the article. --DanielRigal (talk) 09:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Daniel - You posted notice that there was a conflict of interest, thus stopping us from updating this article. You then "corrected" two items in the article, both incorrect to varying degrees. Lets try this... I put footnotes in and you check them. Simple and less irritating for both of us, which is what most people do anyway. If you don't mind this then I will do so immediately. Can I put a reference to something that is not available digitally? Can I put a reference that needs someone accessing it to pay for it? We have most of the original articles in our files anyway.194.46.243.141 (talk) 20:16, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

You can do that, or you can suggest them here. Also, just to clarify, references do not have to be on-line. It is just easier to check them if they are. Old style references to books and newspapers are OK. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I've changed that reference for the Proms Daniel - it states the date of the gig and the publication in reputable as well.194.46.243.141 (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Members section needs expansion

The Members section only list one member and sounds like an advert for his album. Can someone please expand this section to include existing and former members. There is a list here that can help. Truthanado (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll put something in to start. ScheidtandHam (talk) 11:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)ScheidtandHam (talk) 12:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I've added and expanded some of the names on this list. I know that two more of the Celtic Woman soloists are ex Anuna, but I couldn't find anything out about what albums they are on. I apologize for the messy entries. I've swapped around the placing of the members section from the start of the article to the end, as it was quite confusing to read. Hope this is OK.ScheidtandHam (talk) 12:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

It strikes me that if I continue with this list of names, the entire Wikipedia page for Anuna will look like a long washing list. From random research it appears that most of the singers are not full-time singers but in other professions or jobs, like teachers and doctors, and therefore may be accomplished in their own field but are not distinguished in music beyond their association with Anuna. So we omit some and include others? Does this page actually need this section at all?ScheidtandHam (talk) 11:12, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I read this and I agree with it. From what I can see Anuna has had many hundreds of singers pass through it and the selected nature of the people on the page was quite very subjective. What I've done is to simplify the section by linking to the individual pages of the singers who were mentioned. This, at least, keeps the postings concerning individual singers' up to date.(UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.50.72 (talk)

I have looked at this selected members paragraph, and it seems to me that they should be categorized more clearly. It appears that a number of past members have gone on to Celtic Woman, so they are in a paragraph together and I have divided them into Past and Present. I'll do one more edit now and take out all the information for those people that have profiles on Wikipedia already, as it seems to me that much of the information on them is less up-to-date than on their respective profiles.142.176.125.97 (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup of Entry

Hi - I've restructured the article to make it flow better, taking out all the segments from the History that relate to the Musical Style and placing the Notable Performances section within the History as there is considerable duplication between the sections. I note that there are no references for many of the Notable Performances so if I get some time I'll see if I can find those references.

Ledwidge

Francis Ledwidge is one of the major influences on McGlynn and Anuna, and needs a proper coverage in the article, shurely? 178.176.23.66 (talk) 08:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

McGlynn's setting of Ledwidge's texts might make an interesting addition to the Ledwidge Wikipedia article. Counting up he has only about 5 texts to music. Not a significant amount in relation to his overall output. Aisling at AnunaChoir (talk) 09:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

I attended the Ledwidge memorial event that Anuna performed at the renovated Richmond Barracks for the poet's centenary in 2017 and I can testify to Michael McGlynn's expression of feeling on this matter, but am no expert in the area. I will "ping" a couple of other editors who, I think, know more about Ledwidge. I think a mention in the choir's article, McGlynn's article and the Ledwidge article might be appropriate, if it has been reported in suitable reference sources. Twilson r (talk) 10:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Foundation of ANÚNA

There seems to be a considerable amount of changes recently by Twilson r in respect to the foundation of ANÚNA. It is not in dispute that Michael McGlynn founded Anúna. Even a brief search on Google yields this fact as recently as McGlynn's presentation at the World Symposium in Auckland next year . Note that being a member of a group at its foundation, particularly one with at least 12 people on stage that has had well over two hundred members in since 1987, is not the same has having been the founder of the ensemble. Note that the Wikipedia entry for The Tallis Scholars </ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tallis_Scholars</ref> does not indicate who was in the choir at the time of its creation. It is also reasonable to assume that an ensemble that has had hundreds of singers in it over 30 plus years do not all needed to be listed on this page. At the moment the page lists singers who have gone on to achieve varying degrees of success as musicians (as it does on the Tallis Scholars entry), which is appropriate for a resource like ANÚNA. Miriam Blennerhassett is already listed on the Wikipedia page as a current significant member of the group so I will be undoing all attributions related to this.

The attribution of three album covers to Brendan Donlon is also being reverted as was, as there appears to be minimal justification to its inclusion beyond the relationship to one of the singers. It appears that other designers have created multiple repeat designs of releases including Abigail Bolt on at least four titles we can have in archive. Reverting this too.Aisling at AnunaChoir (talk) 09:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello. Twilson_r here, a long-term follower of the group, and as such, not disputing that Michael McGlynn was the lead founder. I merely re-added the names of the three people McGlynn himself credits as the founding members, which I think is rather reasonable. I would note that I did not originate this idea, they had been added before, and removed due to a correctly stated lack of citation, something important on Wikipedia - I corrected this lack. I am open to discuss what is in the lead paragraph, while commenting that that lead is too short for the scale of the article. However, the founding members definitely should be mentioned in the history. As to passing membership, McGlynn has mentioned "more than 130 people" but even if it is 200, there is a big difference between many singers who were in and out in spaces of a few years, and members who remained involved, providing "backbone" and "collective memory" for 20+ years.

The name of the designer of the three albums which launched the recording heritage seems highly germane, and the fact that these were by a person linked to the band's core membership is not immaterial. The other designer you name could also be included, the choir's graphic style is part of its identity.

I hope I don't offend, but as a matter of courtesy, a discussion before major reversion would have been perhaps more appropriate. You mention that you have some things in an archive, and that and your user name suggest a link to the choir. That is great, and I would be delighted to see more officially-sourced material, with appropriate citation, but it does not convey any ownership. For now, I will look over the reversions, and with respect, as an editor of some experience, and without history and links to this article, make further edits. Meantime, I do hope to launch articles on at least three of the long-term active singers, Blennerhassett, Donlon and Champion, and am thinking to address John McGlynn too. I do find it odd that there are articles on many members who left long ago, but of the current line-up, only the leader has an article. Should you be able to point me to good materials on any of these prospective subjects, that would be much appreciated! Twilson r (talk) 10:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Very nice to meet you :-) Just some basic stuff - you listed three members of the original choir who were members of the group when the Celtic Café article was written that you cite. An Uaithne had over 14 members at foundation. There is actually no archival information beyond a mention of the singer Fionnuala Gill and Sile Daly as being members in 1987. But it would be remiss not to list ALL original founder members, and only Michael McGlynn would probably have access to that information so before listing any founder members you should contact him directly at his website. The group changed personnel very frequently I believe over the first three years of its existence.

I'd also be very prudent about adding in non-professional musicians as being of significance to the history of the group. You are opening up a can of worms by doing that insofar as there have been around 250 singers through the group and very few of those before 2015 were actually professional musicians, and only a handful of those, like Hozier, went on to become of significance to the world of music to any extent.. Again - you might contact one of our office about that and we can give you information that may be of help.

Regarding design - I don't agree with this at all. There costuming and music are the only consistent recognisable design feature of the group. There have been 46 covers released by Danú and then there are literally dozens more on international labels. if there was a consistent graphic used for a significant period and developed by Donlon your entry would make sense.

Otherwise thank you for the effort and please let us know if we can help. It would be great to have lots of this history sorted out :-)213.233.132.174 (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Twilson r and Aisling at AnunaChoir! Noting recent activity on this article, I have reviewed it for WikiProject Ireland, and up-rated it, as the previous rating did not fully reflect the quality and depth of content, or the impact of the choir. The discussion above sounds like it could further enhance the article. I would only caution that material on Wikipedia should generally be citable from suitable (generally public) sources, so private input, however authoritative the source (office, director, etc.), can only guide. As to mention of members, I'd suggest that founding or long-term members should probably be mentioned or listed, briefly; whether they are somehow "professional" or not is not material (Ireland has sustained relatively few professional singers over the years, beyond the pop and rock space, and some opera figures). It also sounds like some deeper coverage of visual style and costumes might be good. One other thought I'd have as a reviewer is that a group as reputedly visual as Anuna might benefit from more images on the article. But of course audience members should not be taking pictures during performances, and covers are copyright, so supply of rights-suitable material may be limited. I'd also suggest to break up the last para of the history section a bit, it is getting long. Best of luck,SeoR (talk) 11:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello again, Aisling at AnunaChoir, and thanks for the speedy and warm reply. I would very much like to elaborate the history, and more, but as my learned colleague has pointed out, we are required to work, like academics, primarily with reviewable (public) content. However, if Mr McGlynn and the office could supply some points, I would be happy to dig around in newspaper archives, and it might be that Anuna has a "cuttings file" or spreadsheet of press mentions. It is, sadly, my experience that magazine archives, in Ireland and beyond, are poorly kept and rarely electronically searchable.

If I may, a small point about these "Talk page chats." Each participant usually puts a colon or colons to indent their part of the conversation, and it is easier to follow. So if you were to reply, you'd start with :::: and that reply would then stand indented in from mine.

As about the mentioned singers, it partly relates to the point I made above. I did not know the starting situation myself, having discovered the choir in the early 1990s, after the "first flush." Tea analogies aside, it is my understanding that most of the original pool of singers, which you also commented was very fluid in the first years, departed as the format was settled in 1991. It is perhaps for this reason that when I searched public sources, the only names that came up were Michael McGlynn, Donlon, Blennerhassett and Patterson, and then, late 1990 or early 1991, John McGlynn. I think I understand from two articles that John McGlynn's arrival was a trigger for some of the changes. None of the other 9-11 are mentioned in the Irish newspaper archives, for example. So only those few names were notable enough to survive in the public record, and I would maintain that at least the two female subject are relevant, as they remained involved, as perhaps no one else except the McGlynns, for 30+ years, and they are mentioned routinely, along with a few other names for many events, over the decades. That is truly notable. As to current line-up, there is no public record of Ms Donlon departing, but I accept that it is implied. I will with pleasure look into Fionnuala Gill and Sile Daly, and any other names that become available. I also agree that there would be no value in trying to include all members, unless they have been otherwise notable, but would look for a criterion such as "active member for 5+ years."

I accept your point on the cover designs for now, having reflected on it. I think a fuller accounting of the albums could include the cover designer(s) in a column. Wikipedia is not a random collection, but if we can have concise structured information, backed by decent sources, the more the merrier. Some readers would like to see artist / designer data.

I have used up my morning opportunity to edit, but will consult with fellow editors, and work on with my current article drafts, and I think I will be back in touch. Many thanks! Twilson r (talk) 07:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

That is all heartening to know :-) Yes - I think that your primary source is really what is in archive - it is huge and meticulously well kept from what I can see here. Also very pleased with the upgrade in class! SeoR

Regarding singers, tenure and significance, I think you'll find that the tenure of a singer as part of the group is not always reflective of their input into the ensemble. If the criteria was used based on tenure you would include Andrew Hozier and exclude Eimear Quinn, but Eimear was more significant as a collaborative artist in her time with the ensemble. No mention would be made of Andrea Delaney, but her input into the ensemble has been transformative since she was a member. Lynn Hilary was part of ANÚNA for a decade and is now a solo artist, but now continues to collaborate with the group on disc. It is a tricky one. A rather glaring red flag is the fact that there have been so many singers through the group. This would not be usual in a group of this nature. Some of the individuals you cite are prominent in online material only because the group were evident in Irish music circles at the time they were involved (the Riverdance era from 1994-1999). As a result there is very little coverage from the period 2000 to 2019 on Irish media bar a couple of Lifestyle-type articles. I asked Michael briefly in light of this online conversation about the foundation of the ensemble in 1987 and founder members. He said that none of the stated singers were part of the ensemble in 1987, and that the performers involved, including Síle Daly, were only part of a concert on an ad hoc basis as was the case up until 1989 or so. The group only consolidated into a recognisable form that is equivalent to what it is today in 1990. he actually said that he had never been asked about this before!

On the point of albums, yes, we have a considerable amount of sources for those reviews and such, plus designer attributions and chart placings in archive that can easily be accessed if anyone would be prepared to compile this. We have primary sources in archive (magazines, online postings etc).

was compiled by Michael McGlynn in 2017. I agree that the entire history section of the Wikipedia article is confusing and reads like a CV, so if we can help in any way to resolve it we would be very happy to do so. While the archive is mainly hard-copy in nature it probably is time we scanned the more significant segments of it now that it stretches back as far as 1988/89.

We have a significant image archive that would have been passed on to us over the decades by audience members and photographers. Unfortunately we cannot upload them, as they have to do that themselves. That could be possible, as many of them are fans that have followed the group and may be willing to do so. We could reach out and ask if you felt that was of use.

Thank you so much for your interest and sincere apologies about the decorum of Wikipedia entries. An overhaul of it might actually increase the significance of ANÚNA in the music world when its contribution is assessed, as currently it remains as marginal to Irish music as it did in the 1990s from what we see. Aisling at AnunaChoir (talk) 08:51, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Aisling at AnunaChoir. I am sorry for the delay in answering, I have some health-related limitations on my online time, which is why my editing is more tortoise than hare. I draft articles carefully over these limited windows. I see that in between, matters have advanced. This is, I have understood over years, one way Wikipedia works. Activity breeds activity. So now there is a nice table for the releases, and I can help fill that out more fully. The editor who made it even left room for proper referencing, a rare bit of good sense. I am also pleased to see the more appropriate rating of the article.

That is a very interesting insight about Hozier-Byrne, Quinn, Delaney, and the way the group works. I suppose this has also evolved over time. Our big limitation in capturing a subtle point like this is the need for published supporting data. I think you can appreciate why, as the encyclopedia has to be able to show where it sourced information, and avoid manipulations, and the fact that people change their minds, fall out with collaborators, or are censored (Wikipedia has to deal with many attempts to rewrite history). However, this can sometimes lead to what seem like absurd limitations, especially when dealing with articles touching living people, where policy is super-strict. I have literally sometimes been unable to keep a point which everyone knows is true, but which has never caught the attention of a journalist or academic. This was one reason why I basically stopped editing for many years. I did, however, return, inspired by others, as I realised that there is nothing better out there, and at least I could try to make the only true online encyclopedia the best it could be.

So, on this case, I'd really like to try to make the article better, and I will try to work out how best to achieve this. It would be so much easier if someone would write a book, or at least a thesis, but the most I can find so far is a thesis on Michael McGlynn. I have read it fully this weekend past, and it is most interesting, but of limited help for this article. I have some more reading ready now, so I will return after studying that. I love the idea of Wikipedia's article making matters clearer for readers.

Please don't worry about decorum. Almost every editor I know wants to encourage broader participation, and does not stand on "insider knowledge." We have to have some coding and format, as this is an IT system, but almost any editor will help, and not frown, over things like our internal formatting. On the pictures, by the way, that sounds a wonderful idea, and I will come back with some simple guidelines fans could follow. Twilson r (talk) 09:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

yes - there seems to be loads more activity! Thank you very much - we will reach out to some of the people who have all this material or images and see if they will contribute to sorting this all out.Aisling at AnunaChoir (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

I return after a week during which I have read through and annotated 17 articles with at least some information. I will next try to make something of that. I think I will make standalone articles on two of the early members (John McGlynn and Miriam Blennerhassett), and include the other two (Donlon, Paterson) in the Past Members section with a couple of lines.

Now, I promised to share a note on adding pictures. I should comment that there is no need for large numbers, but a few well-chosen images would be very useful. This may also make it easier to secure them, as some rights have to be given up (something professional photographers are rarely willing to do). The photographer can be attributed, but the images donated will be reuseable and modifiable. I believe that a true fan might be willing to share such rights for 1, 2, 3 pictures, and if just a few people did that, there would be plenty for any need here. If the supplier of the images is their maker, then the process is really easy. It is worth asking people to take a couple of minutes to document their photograph properly, but that is all that is needed. The image supplier simply goes to the Tools menu on the left of the Wikipedia screen, picks Upload File - and if they tick the "My own work" box, the process is very straightforward. The donor has a simple choice of licence grant to the Wikimedia Foundation and then can add a caption and notes. I tested it recently and it was painless. I look forward to a richer article. For now, I really must try to do more with the recordings table. Twilson r (talk) 08:10, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

It might be good if someone could take up this discussion, as the article really has room to improve on this significant topic. As Michael McGlynn has made a change in strategy, this might be a good time. SeoR (talk) 12:51, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

I had a look at some of the previous edits. There was a suggestion to get rid of the chronology and make this article more project based which I am happy to look at. The members section is a mess as it appears to be a matter of which editor thinks who is important. It was suggested to keep prominent past members there - but wouldn't it be an idea to set up a separate page with a link? It's only an idea. I'm happy to do that too. TrevisoDude (talk) 09:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

I'll have a look at this over the next few weeks if that is ok. I note McGlynn has written a new blog about the departure of Anúna from Ireland as well. I'm not an editor but I can give it a lash? It seems from looking at the Anúna website that there has been a definite move to contextualize the history of the group. There are also some films now that McGlynn has made. Can we cite film content as a resource? TrevisoDude (talk) 07:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

No one took up the challenge last year, but yes, this is a good time, and it could help clarify matters, as I, at least, am a little at sea as to where Anuna and Mr McGlynn are now. The choir is around a long time now, and both the deep history and the latest situation must be covered - but strictly from a neutral, external perspective (so we can use the blog material, but ideally would also have some external commentator source/s). The editor whose work triggered this debate seems to have more-or-less retired, perhaps for reasons of health, but the cause is good, so have at it! What we really need is someone to work with the group's archives, as seemed to be offered above, and write something up...

And yes, film, TV programme, podcast and interview material can be used - use CITE AV-MEDIA, for example - this is an underused type of source (please do indicate the time point, in the same way you would quote a page numbver or range, when using such a source). SeoR (talk) 10:43, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for not responding earlier! Yes, I did a search today looking for any mention of this subject, and I only found one reference in a passing note in an article about Siamsa Tire by the Journal of Music in Ireland. I also note that McGlynn has updated his latest article/blog. I assume his comments were sent out to Irish media. It does seem very odd that nothing was said anywhere except directly on McGlynn's and Anuna's social media pages. Upon reading his articles again, I now understand why he made this decision. The story here is how something so unusual and culturally significant has become so disconnected from Ireland's Arts community. To such an extent that McGlynn's decision, which would typically generate some outcry or even negative comment if it were any other similar entity, didn't even raise a whimper or an opinion. For this reason I will dedicate some effort to this. As a fan of the group and a lover of choral music, I believe it is the least I can do for something as unique as Anuna. Thank you for the guideline on CITE AV-MEDIA. I am not an editor at all, and I am terrified I might do something foolish. Additionally, I might try to convince Anuna to upload more concert images of the group, as they are fantastic live. TrevisoDude (talk) 10:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I might also try and set up a page for M'anam as is mentioned below. TrevisoDude (talk) 10:25, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

References

M'ANAM?

Came here looking for something on this outfit, which was some kind of offshoot or sub-choir of Anuna (sorry, no fadas here). All guys. Nothin' seen in the article, anyone could add? There was another sort of casual group, The Sunbeams, with several Anuna male singers, but I don't think they were officially connected. They did some corporate event. Funny, I don't recall any female subsidiary groups, the ladies seem instead to form the heart of the main choir. I guess there was Celtic Woman but that was something constructed, I won't insult by comparing to a boy band, but it sounded designed. Only saw the real Anuna twice, but it was impressive, sticks in memory, the long dark dresses swirling in and out between columns, both times in churches. Nice article, needs more pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.173.35.205 (talk) 09:04, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes there are two offshoot groups, M'ANAM and Systir, both at .ie addresses, although Systir (six women) have only done a few concerts and were formed this year, but M'ANAM have an album and a number of tours and concerts and have an independent ethos more connected with Iceland. As far as I know Celtic Woman have no connection with Anúna of any sort other than the list of singers who have left Anuna to do that show, seems about 5 or 6. Looking at the Anúna singers bios on their site it also seems that many of the singers are not Irish as well. A good story there somewhere, and I note that they are not mentioned in any publicity or discussions about the 25th Anniversary of Riverdance either.213.233.150.107 (talk) 10:21, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

This is very interesting. I have not come across these groups before. I suspect they are not notable enough for their own articles yet but could exist in a section of the main article. I will leave this to others for now, concentrate on the main topic. Twilson r (talk) 08:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

An Uaithne section: "They gave the first performance of the piece..."

Which piece? The track listing in the Riverdance articles don't identify a piece as Anúna's. Billfalls (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

I can answer this! The opening of "Riverdance" is subtitled "Cloudsong" and the first thing you hear on the track is Annuna! TrevisoDude (talk) 10:26, 14 July 2023 (UTC)