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Laurent Poisson (1 April)

Who? And link is to a journal paper they wrote. Seriously. 123.136.64.13 (talk) 06:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC) [1][reply]

Don't worry; W guice got it. Susan Gleason (talk) 14:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw this this morning, too. Made me smile, as well <3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.40.49 (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raul Alfonsin

why isn't Raul Alfonsin on the list? 195.188.23.230 (talk) 14:20, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look here ---> Deaths in 2009#31. WWGB (talk) 14:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

oh..... ok then :P 195.188.23.230 (talk) 14:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tam Paton

His description on this article originally included criminal, which was replaced with sex offender, which was then removed. Although he was first notable as a music manager; in later life he was known more for being a sex offender and a drug dealer. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 14:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Adenhart

Is car accident an appropriate cause of death, or should it be vehicular homicide? While tragic on all counts, it still was criminal activity (albeit under the influence) that cause the death of Adenhart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.202.248.52 (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vehicular homicide is a charge that can only be proved in court, which has not yet happened. WWGB (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True enough... hopefully that will happen. Such a shame... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.202.248.52 (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Clement Freud Debacle

Can we come to some agreement (or can someone point us to standing policy) on listing titled people with their titles? Secondarily, can we also decide whether to list peoples ancestors, spouses or siblings as associated people?

My personal stance is that if a person is a Sir/Dame/Lord they should be listed with their title as they would 'always' be listed in this manner in published media. On the second issue, I think it's quite ridiculous to list associates of deceased people. As we all should know, notability is 'not' inherited, so why does it matter if someone is somebody else's relation? If someone is intrigued, surely they would look at the persons article.

Anyhoo, what's the Consensus? Fol de rol troll (talk) 00:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#British peerage, "titles of Knighthood such as Sir and Dame usually need not be included in the article title: use personal name instead". This suggests that we need not refer to Sir Clement Freud, however, if an editor is then going to insert that elsewhere in the entry [eg Knighted (1987)] then it is shorter and quicker to leave it as Sir instead. And I agree we don't need mention of famous relatives (WP:NOTINHERITED). WWGB (talk) 00:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree we should not list famous relatives. I would therefore ask User:StarGarnet who keeps adding it back that he doesn't. Notablity is not inherited.--UpDown (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also agreed on this. Moreover, Sir Clement himself disliked being referred to in respect to his relatives, if memory serves. That and he was an politician, comedian and writer. That's notability enough, surely? --86.112.190.38 (talk) 15:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I agree that notability is not inherited, and Clement Freud does not need a link to his grandfather to assert his own notability, there is another consideration here. Recent deaths is a link on the Main Page. It is also the most edited article in Wikipedia, so it is certainly a high-traffic page. It could be argued that including "interesting" facts in an entry serves as a "hook" to draw the reader in to reading more about the individual, thereby expanding readers' experience (which is surely a good thing for Wikipedia). For example, becoming aware that marine biologist Nicholas Hughes committed suicide may not impact on many readers; knowing that he was also the son of Sylvia Plath adds to the understanding of his life and death. In summary, having a famous relative does not enhance an individual's notability, but it does go towards explaining who they are. WWGB (talk) 00:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick rejoinder to your former point about the Wiki protocol given above, that is for 'Article' titles, 'not' name listing. So I agree that Clement Freud's article should be under his name, but when written about, convention states he would be Sir Clement Freud. I can't quite believe I'm arguing about this as I'm personally quite against the peerage and honours system, but I'm trying to point out that this is how virtually all written media would write these peoples names. For example see this about Sir Alex Ferguson and this about Princess Anne and Sir Fred Goodwin, although strangly not about Zara Phillips. Anyway, my point is, that where a person has a title, it should be used if there name is written although not for the article title; cf President Barack Obama. I certainly acknowledge your salient point about relatives with reference to Hughes/Plath. Perhaps listing people who have notable relatives with different surnames? Fol de rol troll (talk) 00:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maxime de la Falaise

She never was an American citizen, so her nationality should be British. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 08:32, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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