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Conrad Duncan (2019-11-13). "Nikki Haley roasted for claiming US president never lied to her". Indy100. Retrieved 2020-04-16. According to The Washington Post, the president had made 13,435 false or misleading claims as of 14 October. There's even a Wikipedia page called "Veracity of statements by Donald Trump", which opens with this sentence: "Donald Trump has made many false or misleading statements, including thousands during his presidency."
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RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → False statements by Donald Trump, No consensus, 22 April 2019, Requested move 22 April 2019
Discussion, *various options presented initially*, No consensus, 19 August 2022, Title of article is wrong
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Mendacity of statements by Donald Trump, Withdrawn, 11 June 2023, Requested move 11 June 2023
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Inaccuracy of statements by Donald Trump, Consensus to move to False or misleading statements by Donald Trump, 17 June 2023, Requested move 17 June 2023
I tried to see whether there was any consensus about this in an archived discussion, but failed to find it (perhaps because I used the wrong search terms, perhaps because there's never been any overarching rule, only case-by-case decisions).
I'm asking because of a recent falsehood, a story in which Trump said "I know Willie Brown very well. In fact, I went down in a helicopter with him. ... he told me terrible things about [Kamala Harris] … he was not a fan of hers, at that point.” Brown denied ever having been in a helicopter with Trump and is a Harris supporter. It turned out that Nate Holden, another Black man, had been with Trump in a helicopter that made an emergency landing [1], who also hadn't bashed Harris. Trump has doubled down, claiming that he has “logs, maintenance records, and witnesses” to confirm his story, and he threatened to sue the NYT for their reporting about it [2]. I think this false story is noteworthy in that he confused two Black men who have little in common (either physically or in terms of their careers), used it to bash his political opponent, doubled down after being corrected, and threatened to sue. But Trump also lies a great deal, and perhaps this isn't worth adding.
Trump is doubling down on this one [3].
Brown insists he was not there, and would not have said "terrible things" about Harris had he been there, and also the entire incident seems to predate their relationship anyway. Nate Holden has been quoted in a number of sources as being the actual black person that was on that helicopter, and has joked with the press that Trump can't tell black people from one another [4].Seems like it is maybe worth a mention. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today18:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Here's a nice list of Trump quotes from Nicholas A. Christakis's book "Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live". (I have reformatted the quote to make a bulleted list by date.):
"We know from subsequent leaks that the president was indeed presented with information about the seriousness of the virus and its pandemic potential beginning at least in early January 2020. And yet, as documented by the Washington Post, he repeatedly stated that "it would go away."
On February 10, when there were 12 known cases, he said that he thought the virus would "go away" by April, "with the heat."
On February 25, when there were 53 known cases, he said, "I think that's a problem that's going to go away."
On February 27, when there were 60 cases, he said, famously, "We have done an incredible job. We're going to continue. It's going to disappear. One day—it's like a miracle—it will disappear."
On March 6, when there were 278 cases and 14 deaths, again he said, "It'll go away."
On March 10, when there were 959 cases and 28 deaths, he said, "We're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
On March 12, with 1,663 cases and 40 deaths recorded, he said, "It's going to go away."
On March 30, with 161,807 cases and 2,978 deaths, he was still saying, "It will go away. You know it—you know it is going away, and it will go away. And we're going to have a great victory."
On April 3, with 275,586 cases and 7,087 deaths, he again said, "It is going to go away." He continued, repeating himself: "It is going away.… I said it's going away, and it is going away."
In remarks on June 23, when the United States had 126,060 deaths and roughly 2.5 million cases, he said, "We did so well before the plague, and we're doing so well after the plague. It's going away." Such statements continued as both the cases and the deaths kept rising. Neither the virus nor Trump's statements went away."[1]
At the risk of stating the obvious, it's probably about time to consider how to break this article up. The subject matter is simply too broad and there is too much material that should be included, but for practical reasons we can't jam it all in. This page reminds me of the classic cartoon gag when you open the closet door and it explodes with millions of things flying out. Suggestions? -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:23, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Finding things Donald says that are false or misleading, is, in the words of Tom Cruise, a target-rich environment. Dividing the article into sub-articles would lessen its impact. It should be long. We could do some relatively minor copy editing for conciseness of language, though that is labor intensive and unlikely to offset the influx of new material in an election season. I'm OK with leaving it substantially as-is, with some of the mentioned copy editing. —RCraig09 (talk)01:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to disagree for practical reasons. Articles should not be so long that they are difficult to navigate or load for those using a device with limited bandwidth or a slower connection. And we have reached that point. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. The article intro is about the presidency. Thus we focus on those 4 years, and put aside the non-political and strictly businesses topics. We retitle the article as "Disputed statements made by President Donald Trump". (That opens the way for follow-up should he win the 2024 election.) So what article titles pertaining to the non-presidential periods of his life? E.g., suggestions, that comport with (this) "Disputed statements by President ..." article? Ugh! Suggestions are needed. – S. Rich (talk) 02:23, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]