Talk:Honoris Crux (1975)

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I am concerned about the below entries - I did a quick search and could find no sources which indicated that they have been awarded the HC.

Name	Rank	Year	Date of action	Unit	Corps	Service Arm
Reesch, N. ^{[citation needed]}	2 Lt	1992	1980	Dog Centre	SAIC	SA Army
Francis, C.T. ^{[citation needed]}	S Sgt	1992	1989			SA Army
Joubert, J.^{[citation needed]}	F Sgt	1992	1984		SAAF	SAAF
Fidler, B.A. † ^{[citation needed]}	Cpl	1992	1985	7 Medical Bn Gp	SAMS	SAMS
Alexander ♦ ^{[citation needed]}	Cpl	1995			SAMS	SAMS
De Villiers, J.^{[citation needed]}	Cpl	1995			SAMS	SAMS
Meulenbeck, F.A. † ^{[citation needed]}	Rfn	1995			SAIC	SA Army

I have added a "Citation needed" note - but I strongly recommend they be removed from the list until there is a reliable source justifying their inclusion. Views? Farawayman (talk) 16:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The time lapse between date of action and award is rather huge for some, and not shown for others, but that's not too unusual since I know several people who deserved an award but never got it because nobody bothered to write up a citation at the time. I'd leave them be for now, we'll find a way to confirm (or disprove) them somehow. Besides, removing names may become an insensitive issue if they do belong. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 19:25, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer to err on the conservative side and only ADD them when there is a valid citation. Remember that any "fact" may be removed if not properly cited, so we are not "treading on toes!" Farawayman (talk) 19:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removing a legit KIA entry because whoever listed it failed to cite it may tread on several toes. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 19:35, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fidler turned up hidden in the Honoris Crux Silver article, but the accompanying reference is for the HC. I'll still double-check him along with the others, though.
Fidler, Bruce Andrew †
Cpl
15 Sep 1985
7 Med Bn Gp
SAMS
During a movement his unit was ambushed and he was subsequently captured and interrogated. Cpl Fidler was executed by the enemy during interrogation. He never revealed the presence of his nearby unit although brutally interrogated, thereby enabling them to escape and evade. His remains were repatriated back to South Africa ten years later and on 15 September 1995 he was cremated, precisely 10 years after his death. Cpl Fidler was posthumously awarded the HC for his actions of bravery. Cpl Fidler's name appears on both the roll of honour of 1 Parachute Battalion and 7 Medical Battalion Groups. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 21:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment by Mark Adams (adamsmark911): I noted that OPS Medic (Sector 10 SAMS)L/Cpl Anton L Roux, who earned his HC on 28.02.1987 is not listed in this Wiki page (````)

Image of HC on article page

If one zooms in on the image currently used - the reverse has the text "silver" and has no medal number. Strange! Is this not perhaps a photo of a mock-up HCS? Farawayman (talk) 19:51, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's a picture of a miniature HC in my collection. That's also why the ribbon looks so "rough". Miniatures are not numbered. -- André Kritzinger (talk) 21:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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