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December 2007

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Image copyright problem with Image:Palin7monthspregnant.jpg

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August 2008

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you violate Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy by inserting unsourced defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did to Sarah Palin, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Kelly ^hi! 20:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I endorse that. If your content [1] proves to be accurate, it will run in the New York Times or some such place almost immediately. When that happens, if that happens, it can be included. For a person with such public prevalence, any verifiable fact will be published quickly in a reliable source. Jehochman ^Talk 21:13, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha, epic fail, Tiger. Seriously, the Daily Kos? And then you accuse other people (e.g. Kelly) of being biased? Shameful. Hold your horses, legitimate controversies can't remain hidden for long. 68.43.197.22 (talk) 22:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They can if the issues are buried by partisans who are trying to protect their chosen candidate. Whether or not this runs in the NYT does not decide whether or not it is legitimate. I am not suggesting that the story is true, but rather that there is a controversy surrounding it. That is indisputable fact. It is a shame that Wikipedia is no longer the peoples' place for all information, but rather an archive for issues already completely fleshed out by the antiquated media outlets. Shame.

There's a difference between reporting controversy and making controversy. The latter is essentially indistinguishable from making shit up. Have you tried your hardest to make sure that every dim-witted conspiracy theory running around on the Internet is posted on Wikipedia? Or is it just this one in particular? 68.43.197.22 (talk) 00:04, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just because you don't like the story doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. You are not the arbiter of truth, nor is the NYT or any other media outlet. A confession from Mrs. Palin is not necessary for it to be worthy of being acknowledged. I doubt you would take such a vehement stance against a philosophical theory which gets no play in the media. It strikes me that you are a partisan.

It's a classic strategy - call the other guy a partisan before he has a chance to call you a partisan. Well played, nobody would have ever seen that move coming. How many years of fighting the partisan-forces-that-seek-to-bury-controversy did it take you to learn that move? You want to know what I think? Here's what I think: Palin has less political and foreign policy experience than Obama, which takes away one of McCain's stronger attacks against him. She was probably chosen to placate the evangelical crowd, throw Democratic strategists for a loop because they didn't consider her a serious enough choice to bother making canned advertisements against her, and also to try and win over some disgruntled Hillary voters.

Indeed, there isn't a clear arbiter of truth out there. Reputation serves as the best stand-in we have, so if you cry wolf too many times, too damned bad. Your proposal is that we throw accumulated histories of general trustworthiness out the window simply because the story that a particular source is propagating happens to be stirring controversy. Oh wow, a glorified blog with dubious sources is stirring controversy! YAWN. It's easy to create controversy online. Rule #1 of the Internet - there will always be people online to defend every idea, no matter how stupid it is. Look at all the boneheads out there who think Obama is a closet Muslim who hates America. And for the record, basically no mention is made of this "controversy" in the Obama article. It's only hinted at by stating that some percentage of Americans incorrectly believe Obama is Muslim or was raised Muslim. That's the way it should be. If you were being consistent, you would fight tooth and nail to make sure that "controversy" (read: random crap that a bunch of partisan hacks cobbled together over a case of beer) was included in the Obama article. You'd be wrong in your approach, but at least you'd have some semblance of internal consistency in reasoning going for you. You call me partisan, presumably in the "blind to criticism of his favored candidate" sense. If opposition to random bullshit which no major, trustworthy, and reputable media outlet has picked up on qualifies me as a partisan, then count me in. In the meantime, I'll sit back and watch as this story maybe gets some minor facetime, is dealt with properly (just like the "his middle name is Hussein...he must be a Muslim!" nonsense) by pointing out what an obnoxious and demonstrably wrong idea it is, and finally dies, only to live on in the minds of conspiracy theorists. 68.43.197.22 (talk) 03:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hah! Who called it? The "Palin-faked-her-own-pregnancy-to-cover-for-her-daughter" nonsense has been thoroughly debunked and dealt with accordingly. There's no mention in her article of the "controversy" that you worked so tirelessly to include on Wikipedia. Better luck next time on finding a poorly-sourced, sensationalistic rumor on a political blog that actually holds water. In the meantime, the rest of us will continue to employ the scholarly and intellectual approach to deciding what should and shouldn't be on Wikipedia. Tootles. 68.43.197.22 (talk) 13:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Image:Palin7monthspregnant.jpg

Please refrain from introducing inappropriate pages such as Image:Palin7monthspregnant.jpg, to Wikipedia. Doing so is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox.

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