Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1936–37 Maltese FA Trophy

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The result was redirect‎ to Maltese FA Trophy. If sources are discovered in the future, we can revisit this closure decision. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:02, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1936–37 Maltese FA Trophy

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I moved this to draftspace, but it was moved back unsourced. Of course, a WP:BEFORE search would prove difficult, at best, for events that happened in the 1930s. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Malta. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Maltese FA Trophy – Impossible to WP:V. Svartner (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 08:57, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 09:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:BEFORE failure. Just because BEFORE is a lot of work is not an excuse to do it. Why not ask questions from User:MPN 1994 before nominating. And, good grief, you moved it to draft after only 140 minutes of it's creation? And then 104 minutes after it's recreation, while it's being edited, you nominate if for AFD? What's the rush? The final can be verified from here. And there's presumably information on the competition in Maltese newspaper archives like this. Surely having this checked is necessary before AFD, for such a prominent and ancient tournament. There's easy to find significant coverage for the previous season - it seems unlikely that this season is any different. Here's a relatively recent reference to Sliema's 3-year streak ending in this season. Nfitz (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz Actually, the standard "advice" is to wait only 60 minutes after creation; this is an observation that everyone is "done" by then. This is certainly true when someone is creating a bunch of articles at once like MPN 1994 was. The draftification was to prevent an AfD, but for better and for worse, WP:DRAFTIFY says I can't unilaterally move an article into draftspace more than once.

The WP:BEFORE comment was a bit of an understatement. It's almost impossible to do a WP:BEFORE search for events so long ago. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 22:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like, User:I dream of horses, that the first one he created in this series of Maltese FA Trophy articles was in August 2018 and he's been working on other articles in this series since March 2013. Others have been creating articles in this series since 2008. It doesn't look like the pre-war articles were created at once - they were created over a 3-day period. I see you templated him to death - but I don't see a real attempt at communication - and perhaps not enough assumption of good faith, given they've been working on this series for over a decade, with no issues I'm aware of. No one has issues with this series of articles existing here for the last quarter century! We have a huge issue with WP:Recentism, and surely this is exactly the kind of article that we should be creating, and User:MPN 1994 should be commended and assisted rather than bludgeoned. Obviously he has some kind of source to put this together - so why not just ask him, rather than rushing to AFD these? Nfitz (talk) 00:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz The kind of articles we should be creating are sourced. Just because one article is notable doesn't necessarily mean other similar articles are notable, nor does it mean they don't qualify for deletion. A chance was given to source the articles before I nominated for deletion; the main thing I'd do differently, perhaps, is figure out a way to do it all at once so there would be less of a "bludgeoning with template" impact. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 01:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But why not even attempt to discuss with him? It's pretty clear he had sources, and has been improving this series of articles for over a decade? Templating someone isn't discussion - and often not considered civil for long-standing editors - WP:DONTTEMPLATE. Nfitz (talk) 02:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz The fact that he had been doing it for years wasn't clear to me...and if he had been doing it for years, he'd know how to reply to the templates, etc. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 02:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The BEFORE failure here stuns me. You didn't research any of these as far as I know. You didn't look up the background of the series of articles. You didn't look at the editor. And then you justify all this? Quite frankly, if you don't have access to the Maltese archives necessary to verify this, and can't wait (violating WP:NORUSH) to discuss it with the author, I don't feel you shouldn't be editing in this topic area! Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The templates were an attempt to communicate. They weren't replied to. I know, I know, don't template the regulars, but that's something I disagree with.

WP:NORUSH is not a policy/guideline, but an essay. Essays can't be violated. Besides, if it were a violatable policy/guideline, view one ("Don't rush to create articles") was being violated. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 03:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Good Evening. Last Week I went to the Headquarters of the Malta Football Association. I Talk to them. They don't Have any website of the History of The Knockout. But they gave me an Excel Sheet of All Rounds and All years from 1935 till 2024. But I cannot share the Excel Sheet. MPN 1994 (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPN 1994 An excel sheet would, at best, be an unusual source that I haven't seen in my 17 years of editing. Needless to say, I doubt we can use that as a source. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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