Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 Paris machete attack

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per XavierItzm's references and per general consensus. (non-admin closure) Pishcal (talk) 20:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Paris machete attack

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As I stated on the talk-page this article falls under WP:NOTNEWS, under WP:ROUTINE coverage. Terrorist attacks do not automatically fall under the notable criteria, here we have one person who was lightly injured, with the usual reactions to these types of attacks. The reactions generated a splash in the news coverage with no WP:LASTING impact. As I said as well please keep in mind WP:OSE, not all of these attacks can be lumped together under one umbrella. I would recommend deletion or a direct to List of terrorist incidents in February 2017. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note that WP:NOTNEWS refers to "such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism" while WP:ROUTINE encourages editors "to develop stand-alone articles on significant current events."E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant guideline here is WP:CRIME, stating that "As with other events, media coverage can confer notability on a high-profile criminal act."E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Editors may want to look at the arguments about notability at: Talk:2017 Paris machete attack.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greg, WP:NOTNEWS uses those as examples, it says in the first sentence "Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events." As for WP:CRIME, a mention over at List of terrorist incidents in February 2017 would be fine as the person isn't notable enough for a stand alone article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Consider(ing)" enduring impact does NOT mean that we ignore notable events as they happen: 2017 İzmir Courthouse Attack, 2017 Melbourne car attack, 2017 French riots, etc. We don't make personal WP:CRYSTAL guesses about "enduring notability." We assess WP:RS. When, as here, major media give worldwide, in-depth coverage to an attack: it is WP:NOTABLE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just fyi; you are permitted to withdraw your nomination for deletion at any point. If you do so before any other editors have iVoted delete, the discussion ends at that point.

Greg it has been almost two weeks now, we are also not talking about those articles, we are discussing THIS article. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:04, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I created the article and oppose merging to a list because while listing is sufficient for stuff like List of fatal alligator attacks in the United States, (seen one alligator, seen 'em all.) Terrorists and terrorist attacks are as unique as the individuals who commit them. This attacker, for example, carried spray paint and says he planned to vandalize paintings as a symbolic attack on France. Albeit, he also carried 2 machetes and attacked a French soldier with one of them. The Vandalism of art seems to be a new wrinkle, one likely to draw coverage. But Note that terrorist attacks dismissed as non-notable soon after they occur regularly come back into the spotlight. The Plan to attack a restaurant in Rochester, N.Y. in 2015, thought to have been planned by an ISIS -inspired lone wolf turns out to have been planned and directed by ISIS in Syria: "Not ‘Lone Wolves’ After All: How ISIS Guides World’s Terror Plots From Afar" NYTimes [1]. I don't know in what ways this attack will be revisited, only that these attacks are unique events that tend to be revisited and discussed years, and years later. And Note that the article passes WP:GNG. E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't proven that THIS EVENT passes WP:GNG but instead gone on about your personal opinion on how each terrorist attack is "unique". If this were the case then we would have an article made for each entry on List of terrorist incidents in February 2017. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Agree with E. M. Gregory, this event and the perpetrator will be in the news for years. Jrheller1 (talk) 20:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

per WP:CRYSTAL we don't know if this will happen or not. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BLUDGEON.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:18, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In what context? I have given different arguments. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:43, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep We don't want to delete a article that isn't finished. Gary "Roach" Sanderson (talk) 20:55, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Event continues to be covered even as we debate deleting it. Here is a February 14th article from an Italian magazine about the impact of terrorism on museums in Europe, including this latest Paris Machete Attack. Here is a February 13th article published by Paris Match, one of the leading French magazines. The terrorist is being investigated now for sending thousands of € cash to another fellow in Poland immediately before the attack.^[1]^[2]. The New York Times reported that this Machete Louvre attack adds to the tally of "In just the past 13 months, at least four attacks in France using knives".^[3] XavierItzm (talk) 07:42, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Suspect in Louvre attack says he did not get orders from Islamic state". Reuters. The source said the suspect had made two money transfers of 3,000 and 2,000 euros to a fellow Egyptian in Poland in the days immediately before the attack.
^ "Man who attacked soldiers with a machete at the Louvre". The Daily Mail. The source said the suspect had made two money transfers of 3,000 and 2,000 euros to a fellow Egyptian in Poland in the days immediately before the attack
^ ALISSA J. RUBIN, AURELIEN BREEDEN. "Assailant Near Louvre Is Shot by French Soldier". The New York Times. Retrieved 9 February 2017. In just the past 13 months, there have been at least four attacks in France using knives, including one instance in which an off-duty police officer and wife were stabbed to death by a man who then filmed himself claiming allegiance to the Islamic State, broadcasting the video on Facebook. In St.-Étienne-du-Rouvray, a small town in Normandy, a 19-year-old man slit the throat of an elderly priest as he was saying Mass last July. The young man and an accomplice, who were fatally shot by the police, had proclaimed allegiance to the Islamic State just before the murder.

Keep Stick a knife in this one, it's done. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 08:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

possibly not the most felicitous phrasing for a machete attack.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep International coverage has proved notability. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This event has ample international coverage to make it notable and deserves an article of its own. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Looks like sufficient coverage. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Looks like enough coverage from news sources worldwide. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 22:23, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "Terrorist attacks do not automatically fall under the notable criteria" uh humm...(clearing of throat, rolling of eyes)Cllgbksr (talk) 00:07, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - coverage exceeded what can be considered routine crime reporting, and the event spurred comments from various prominent figures including heads of state. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 00:26, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as per above.CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 18:06, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] "Suspect in Louvre attack says he did not get orders from Islamic state". Reuters. The source said the suspect had made two money transfers of 3,000 and 2,000 euros to a fellow Egyptian in Poland in the days immediately before the attack.

[2] "Man who attacked soldiers with a machete at the Louvre". The Daily Mail. The source said the suspect had made two money transfers of 3,000 and 2,000 euros to a fellow Egyptian in Poland in the days immediately before the attack

[3] ALISSA J. RUBIN, AURELIEN BREEDEN. "Assailant Near Louvre Is Shot by French Soldier". The New York Times. Retrieved 9 February 2017. In just the past 13 months, there have been at least four attacks in France using knives, including one instance in which an off-duty police officer and wife were stabbed to death by a man who then filmed himself claiming allegiance to the Islamic State, broadcasting the video on Facebook. In St.-Étienne-du-Rouvray, a small town in Normandy, a 19-year-old man slit the throat of an elderly priest as he was saying Mass last July. The young man and an accomplice, who were fatally shot by the police, had proclaimed allegiance to the Islamic State just before the murder.

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