Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akash Ambani
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Not the best argued AfD we've ever had but the keep arguments are ultimately insufficient for a BLP. A Traintalk 19:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
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Why is this person notable? Norcaes (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Delete, possibly speedy - fails WP:NBIO. May be a case of WP:G11. Kirbanzo (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)- Delete I fail to understand why this individual deserves a Wikipedia page. First, the article introduces him as the chief of strategy of a new telecom company. When even Verizon's chief of strategy doesn't have or warrant a Wikipedia page yet, I can't imagine why Mr. Ambani does. His next point of 'notability' is that he is the son of a billionaire industrialist. Again, this does not warrant a Wikipedia page. Next, we move on to the section about his 'Business Career' which consists of an indirect quote about his views on the telecom company he works at, followed by a few rudimentary and irrelevant points about the firm and its launch party with a Bollywood star. There's an uncited mention of his co-ownership of a major cricket team (possibly by virtue of his family owning it). We then move on to a larger section about his 'Personal Life' which provides an account of his high school and undergraduate education, his support of Arsenal FC, his family, and his recent engagement. In all this, I can't find a single substantial point that fulfills Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Norcaes (talk) 14:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy delete - fails WP:A7 as well as WP:G11 after closer examination. Kirbanzo (talk) 14:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. The Mighty Glen (talk) 15:05, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Nothing notable about this person even with all the sources provided. Ajf773 (talk) 18:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete He does not even have officer in his title, not even close to being notable. OK, this is more a backhanded comment on the proliferation of COO, CIO, CISO and on and on titles than anything else.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep – Hi All! I believe that merely basing the discussion on the content only present on the article right now is not fair. A quick Google search tells me that he passes WP:BASIC and WP:GNG through substantial mentions in a lot of verifiable publications, Entrepreneur, for instance, and others already on the page. GQ, who also featured him in a cover story, called him "India's most influential young Indians" in 2017 (here) while he is also credited for M&As and new ventures at his organization. He has also received coverage where the company he is heading strategy for, Jio has been in the news such as acquiring a music streaming system to create the largest streaming company in the subcontinent (here) and venturing into blockchain (bit speculative: this and this). These are just some things that I found within a few minutes on Google search and as such he is definitely notable. Lastly, I also believe he satisfies WP:CCS through lines mentioned in the GQ and Entrepreneur articles. Some of these include - "man behind Reliance’s open office culture and open collaboration framework" (Entrepreneur) and "Ambani helped grow an initial 60-person team to a 17,000-strong workforce, achieving the goal of 100 million subscribers in just 170 days" (GQ). I strongly support keeping this page and do not agree with its deletion FlyingBlueDream (talk) 09:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Hi FlyingBlueDream, thank you for joining the discussion. I'm glad we can all (so far) seem to agree that the article in its present state doesn't deserve a presence on Wikipedia. I'd like to address your points one at a time:
- 1. My quick Google search did not show up anything that warranted a Wikipedia page; in fact, I reached the sixth page of the search results before finding coverage (on a website called 'moneycontrol.com', which happens to be owned by Reliance, his father's company) that did not involve his and his sister's recent engagements or coverage in the context of his father, and as you know, notability is not inherited and Wikipedia is host to neither gossip nor breaking news.
- 2. The headline of the article in the Entrepreneur article is 'Here's What Heir to India's Richest Man Said at His Maiden Speech', which I'm not sure would convince everyone here about its validity as evidence of independent notability.
- 3. Since you mention the sources already in the article, it's worth pointing out that all the articles cited are in the primary context of his relation to his father, except for two articles by The Economic Times: 'Here's what made Akash Ambani fall in love with football' (which is hardly relevant) and a joint interview with his sister as senior employees of a company owned by their father. I'm not entirely sure the latter is a good source because it has indirect references to their father's wealth, their "style quotient", and the family's "private jet" but I can understand if someone else disagrees with that.
- 4. The link to the GQ article you mentioned features his name as part of a sublist of four, out of which two people do not seem to have warranted their own articles, therefore, I would agree that it's a valid source, but not enough to warrant an article on its own merit.
- 5. There's no doubt that Jio has been in the news but the question at hand is whether or not Mr. Ambani has received enough sustained coverage for non-trivial activities that warrant a Wikipedia page. Any further concrete evidence of that would be appreciated. It's important to distinguish coverage of Mr. Ambani from coverage of Jio, and I believe some of your citations mistake the latter for the former.
- 6. The two articles you mentioned in the context of Jio launching digital currencies both refer to a report by a website called Livemint, which fails to serve as a good source because (a) WP:CRYSTALBALL (b) WP:GNG requires a topic to have "...received significant coverage in reliable sources..." and Mr. Ambani is referred to all of once outside the context of his father within the article in question.
- For the reasons above, I maintain my stand of delete. Norcaes (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED. Not seeing any in-depth third-party sourcing sufficient to establish independent notability. GSS (talk|c|em) 18:23, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep and improve - Co-owner of an IPL team, has a say in auctions and strategy; leads another organization; has wide coverage, and is a topic of interest among Indians to say the least. Easily passes WP:GNG. Needs expansion and improvement with available sources. 42.107.129.79 (talk) 14:22, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:44, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:44, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep – Notable business personality with heavy coverage in Indian publications as far as I can see. As mentioned above by others, he is involved in sports and business fields. Passes the general criteria if the inheritance part is left out. Also, I think we should look at building Wikipedia here rather than removing valid content at the whiff of presumed limited importance, especially when it’s about biographies. I have been noticing this in a lot of articles recently. Thank you. Gaurav.jhala88 (talk) 09:35, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete--Per Norcaes.NOTINHERITED and TOOSOON.~ Winged BladesGodric 05:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 04:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 04:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- Keep – Marvellous Spider-Man 07:30, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete-If he is notable then by the same logic I am notable(Which I am not) =>He is not notable ...WP:NOTINHERIT — FR+ 11:28, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
- Delete looks like promotionalHeshiv (talk) 10:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.