Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akin Akingbala

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep, has played, and currently plays, in a fully professional league, thus meeting WP:ATHLETE, which does not to my knowledge differentiate between pre-season and regular season. Someone needs to write an article on Andy Toolson as well, as he also appears to meet notability criteria. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Akin Akingbala

Delete This person is not notable. He is a former college basketball player, who is playing in Latvia. The league he is playing for doesn't even have a wikipedia article and there is no reason for him to have one. Blahblah5555 (talk) 03:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latvia-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. —Eastmain (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Is this the highest level of professional basketball in Latvia? If so, he is notable. --Eastmain (talk) 03:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In October 2006, he played two games with the Boston Celtics. See http://www.nba.com/playerfile/akin_akingbala/ For the October 17, 2006 game, he apparently spent the game on the bench, and for the October 10, 2006 game, he played for 5 minutes and got three points, if I am reading the NBA page correctly. But that should still be enough to pass notability. --Eastmain (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those were just pre-season games, so he's not a full-fledged NBA veteran. Still, I'll go with weak keep, since he seems to play for a high-level team in Latvia. Former Syracuse star Gerry McNamara is also playing in that league, along with Kebu Stewart and A.J. Bramlett, who both have (real) NBA experience. Zagalejo^^^ 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree not everyone who has NBA experience should automatically get a wikipedia page. That would be thousands of non-notable players. Just for comparison. Andy Toolson, who does not have a page nor should he, played in 60 NBA games over two seasons. He played 523 minutes and had 159 points, see http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=TOOLSAN01 He also played in the Russian league for many years. There are simply way too many pro basketball players to include all of them on wikipedia. Blahblah5555 (talk) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? Wikipedia is not paper, and most NBA players meet the general notability criterion anyway (ie, non-trivial coverage in multiple sources). Andy Toolson would pass the bar very easily; you can see that he's been the primary subject of multiple newspaper articles. Zagalejo^^^ 05:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to write an article on Andy Toolsan I won't object. The point was that there are many players that are much more notable that don't get articles. Akin is not an NBA player and he never was, being cut before the season began. He has really done nothing noteworthy and any fame which he does have is temporary at best. I fail to see the logic in keeping articles that have little or no content about people who no one will remember in 10 years. Blahblah5555 (talk) 06:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep -- I wish the article had references (hint, hint). Ecoleetage (talk) 12:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete: Absent any indication that he is playing in Latvia's highest league, this fellow fails WP:ATHLETE. Beyond that, however, WP:ATHLETE's guidelines are clear: any athlete playing so much as a single game in a "fully professional" league passes the bar, and being memorable to the average basketball fan is nowhere listed in Wikipedia policy or guideline as a notability criterion. If Blahblah5555 wants to debate whether WP:ATHLETE's notability bar is too generous, I recommend raising the issue over there ... and good luck, because many, many editors have tried. Ravenswing 14:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that the league is the highest level of basketball competition in Latvia, based on what I can deduce from Eurobasket.com. The team also participates in the elite division of the Baltic Basketball League [1]. Zagalejo^^^ 16:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.