Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atsuko Kawada

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Cavarrone 11:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Atsuko Kawada

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

~~Delete~~ Keep - see comment below. My WP:BEFORE turned up no evidence of secondary sources with significant coverage. The corresponding Japanese Wikipedia page did not seem to have any especially substantial references either. I therefore submit that the subject meets neither WP:NACTOR nor WP:NAUTHOR. There may be better sources in Japanese, in which case I would happily rescind my nomination. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Authors, Women, and Japan. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Appears to be a nominal performer. No significant roles and no substantial sources. Fails WP:NACTRESS and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4::Have a look at the corresponding Japanese article. Plenty of significant roles. -Mushy Yank. 10:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Can't find any secondary sources here either. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: and improve with the Ja WP for a start; she had significant (lead/main) roles in multiple notable TV productions. -Mushy Yank. 10:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: unfortunately the corresponding jawiki article is only slightly better sourced - there are two references, both of which are to offline Japanese news items. Which is fine, but not straightforward to double check that they are decent sources with respect to enwiki. I don't know what the sourcing policy in jawiki is. SunloungerFrog (talk) 10:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But, regardless of sourcing on that page, weren't you able to verify she had multiple significant roles, for example? -Mushy Yank. 11:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am a relatively new editor, so I am quite prepared to be wrong, but I thought that verification was only possible when there were decent sources to back up the claims, according to WP:V. SunloungerFrog (talk) 11:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
indeed, that is why it takes a lot of time: we can start from her page in JaWp, check every series, check sources on those pages and if none are sufficient, look for other existing sources (all in Japanese). What I found makes me think she’s notable enough. @DCsansei:, any thoughts? Thanks. I might improve the page myself but i am rather busy at the moment. -Mushy Yank. 11:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In which case how about moving the article to draft space instead of deleting it ([WP:ATD]) so that it can be worked on in peace and brought up to scratch? SunloungerFrog (talk) 12:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, if you think it’s OK, not opposed to that idea. -Mushy Yank. 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a couple of things for verification; I saw various things in print quoted in SPS perhaps-expert sources...The main argument might be her TV works (most series have a page on jaWP but not here) but her musical career is perhaps also notable and even as a model,maybe. -Mushy Yank. 16:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mushy Yank thank you for the ping here, and great work improving this article (along with @Nihonjoe)! DCsansei (talk) 16:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per improvements made by Mushy Yank and myself. She's had multiple starring roles in films and television, she won the "Miss Young Jump" contest (run by one of the most popular teen boy magazines in Japan at the time), and her TV acting debut was the starring role in an adaptation of a best selling novel. That role caused her popularity to soar. All of this has been documented now, with many more refs. I think she easily meets WP:GNG now with multiple reliable, third-party sources. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the article is now in much better shape thanks to all the hard work from Mushy Yank and Nihonjoe so more than happy to take back my nomination and keep the article in the encyclopedia. SunloungerFrog (talk) 09:30, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significant improved since nominatiom so that the multiple reliable sources references show a clear pass of WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable productions, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I did a quick search and viewed the Japanese Wiki page in addition to the improvements to this page. The subject clearly passes GNG and NACTOR. DCsansei (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.