Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fraser Tolmie

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fraser Tolmie

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WP:BLP, referenced only to his own primary source profile on the city government's own website with no evidence of reliable source coverage about him shown, of a person notable only as mayor of a city with a population of just 33K. This is not large enough to hand a mayor an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL #2 just because he exists -- at this size of city, a mayor needs to be more notable than the norm, such as by having an unusual volume and range and depth of more than just local media coverage or by also passing NPOL #1 for having served in the provincial or federal legislatures. (Every other past mayor of Moose Jaw who actually has a Wikipedia article got it for that latter reason, rather than getting it because mayor per se.) Simply being a mayor of a small city is not an automatic guarantee of a Wikipedia article in and of itself, but I can't find any evidence of the nationalized coverage it would take to make him a special case. Bearcat (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:47, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 17:47, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - not promotional. Bearcat - I'll bet there's 33,000 people who think it's notable. ChalkDrawings33 (talk) 07:03, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability for Wikipedia's purposes is not measured by how many people might have heard of him — notability lives or dies on the depth of reliable source coverage about him in media that can be shown to support an article. "Not promotional" is very definitely not all that an article has to be to get kept: what it has to be is well-referenced to sources that get him over WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 14:18, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete it's a two-sentence article, so I conducted a WP:BEFORE search. He's mentioned in local Moose Jaw articles, but they're only mentions one would expect from someone who had a local governance position. Not otherwise notable, with many other articles being about other people with Fraser Tolmie in their name. Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. SportingFlyer talk 00:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:POLITICIAN and as documented at WP:POLOUTCOMES. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete we do not keep articles sourced only from a city website. Being mayor of a city this size is clealy not a default sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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