Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Helsinki slang

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Helsinki slang

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an unreferenced article that has existed for over 3 years that is full of original research. whilst I don't doubt that Helsinki slang exists, all it deserves is a few lines in Finnish language. Helsinki slang gets little hits in gscholar [1] and gnews [2]. LibStar (talk) 02:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic seems sourcable and capable of meeting all Wikipedia policies and guidelines, which is a better way of assessing whether the subject deserves an article. I followed the link on the article page to the Finnish Wikipedia article on the subject, and that appears to have plenty of sources,[3] although I can't verify any of them. I've left notices at the talk pages of the creator and the first major contributor to the article, perhaps they'll be able to add sources. There is also a category at Wictionary called "Helsinki slang".[4] JohnWBarber (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Topic seems to be notable. Article needs work, especially sources. Northwestgnome (talk) 07:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

seems to be notable, does not mean notable...could you provide sources? LibStar (talk) 07:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It will be difficult to find any sources in English, but the Finnish version of the article [5] provides ISBNs for several dozen books about the topic, ranging from academic to humorous. Few of them are online, but this article [6] by the Finnish Literature Society can be used as a reference for the basics, and this article [7] in Helsingin Sanomat (Finland's main newspaper) notes that the 2001 Finlandia Prize (local literature Nobel) went to a Helsinki slang dictionary. Jpatokal (talk) 05:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I haven't looked into any sources yet, but, from reading the article, this seems to be describing dialect rather than slang, so a move may be in order. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- But the established name in the native Finnish is stadin slangi ("slang of the city"), not stadin murre ("dialect of the city"). If Finns themselves call it a slang, shouldn't the English Wikipedia reflect it? JIP | Talk 13:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK, if that's the established name for this subject, and if "slangi" is a direct equivalent of "slang", then I would accept that the article name should stay as it is. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Article needs work, but Helsinki slang (standin slangi) is an important and distinguished form of speech in Finland. There are tens, probably hundreds, of published works written about it (and in it), and the speech remains a constant point of interest for linguists. Several dictionaries exists, including this. The article would definitely need a history section to better establish significance. I can give it a shot, but finding English-language sources can be cumbersome. (teaser: stadin slangi, it turns out, is, due to the circumstances where it was born, a language spoken in Finnish grammar, but with vast majority of its vocabulary directly borrowed from Swedish, from Russian and, more lately, increasingly from English.) hydrox (talk) 16:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I have reformatted the article to better meet Wikipedia's standards and written an extensive history section with literacy references. Thanks to User:JIP and all others for your previous contributions. hydrox (talk) 20:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just in case there was any doubt about the meaning of my comments above. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.