Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoss's Steak and Sea House

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 01:14, 4 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hoss's Steak and Sea House

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1. no secondary source fails WP:ORG 2. quick search didn't find any 3.advert for local chain - what's notable? Widefox; talk 09:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I didn't find any significant sources, so not notable, but I did find this oblique reference [1] which says it all really ---- _nonsense ferret 12:07, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak Delete~~ - I'm actually fairly familiar with the restaurant chain but I'm not convinced it's notable. There are some local news articles and reviews along the lines of this one but these aren't extensive. This may be a problem of sources not being available but it does also speak to lack of notability. §everal⇒|Times 18:28, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changed my mind to a Weak Keep - I believe there is just enough material to establish notability, especially with what The Bushranger found. §everal⇒|Times 18:30, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I searched Google to see what there is about Hoss's. The info there seems to be mostly online reviews on Tripadvisor and a few other sites. Tripadvisor does go beyond a simple 1 thru 5 star rating. It asks online reviewers for ratings concerning the food, service, value and atmosphere, which requires more than simple impressions of the restaurants. There are about 32 Hoss's, which in itself should go a long way toward establishing notability. It appears many or most of the locations are rated on Tripadvisor. There are some brief mentions of individual Hoss's restaurants on other sites. This article needs to reference that something other then the company website has info on the company. Bill Pollard (talk) 18:45, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tripadvisor is not a reliable source. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:22, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Re: the number of established restaurants helping with notability, there could be hundreds of locations but they don't contribute to notability unless a reliable source states as much. §everal⇒|Times 06:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - After a search (including for 'Hoss's Family Steak and Sea'), I believe sufficent sources exist that notability can be established. [2], [3] Note especially [4], [5], [6]. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above sources establish notability and noteriety, which I'll bet Hoss's was hoping would not appear here. Oh, well, we are to write and edit articles with neutrality and let the chips fall where they may. Bill Pollard (talk) 12:56, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

per my comment below, which satisfy WP:ORGDEPTH / WP:ORG? seems run of the WP:MILL, even if there are RS. Widefox; talk 10:41, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Some of the news articles are employment advertisements or local gatherings such as wedding receptions, church events and post-sports games parties. At first, I thought they gained the most attention for the 2007 E. coli incident but after more extensive searches, it was the contrary. I found a 2011 news article here after a flood damaged the restaurant and two articles here and here for "new restaurant" announcements. What made me lean towards keep is that, although it is best known in the Pennsylvania area, the restaurant has achieved several "Best Places to Work in PA" awards, apparently in 2008 and "is the second consecutive year and the fourth time Hoss's has made the list". The restaurant also received news coverage in 1998 for building a bathroom at a park through a construction company that they owned. This news article is also fairly significant and even hosted a car show in 2009 which isn't proof for notability but it is interesting. The restaurant, as of 2005, has also received news coverage for its decor of "dozens of old framed photos, newspapers, and antiques on its walls'" and mentions the foundation in 1983 by Bill Campbell (not shown in preview). The article could have a "controversy" section for the lawsuit from the two waitresses (it received good media attention) and, of course, the E. coli incident. The information listed above should hold and I found this which supports Willard Campbell as the founder. A Google News search for "Bill Campbell Hoss's Steak and Sea House" provided additional evidence confirming he has always been the chairman and CEO with this talking briefly about the history and these links suggests it is still based in Duncansville. I plan to improve the article by tomorrow afternoon or night. SwisterTwister talk 03:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)2[reply]

Appreciate the research work. I see local press adverts and individual news events. Struggling to see wheat for chaff..although willing to give benefit of the doubt. Which of these are a couple of reliable sources (context WP:ORGDEPTH) about the organisation? doubt "Best Places to Work in PA" makes it over the bar. Dropping down to weak delete. WP:MILL seems appropriate. Widefox; talk 10:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - While not a nationwide chain, people from Pennsylvania are familiar with the chain, as if it has become a part of their culture. Numerous articles cited above could be encorporated into this article if it were rewritten. For example, this article could be used to describe the impact of flooding in 2011. Fightin' Phillie 22:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fightin' Phillie (talk • contribs)

yes that source helps for writing, although I believe a reopening article (essentially a local press promo) is below the threshold for a WP:RS. The fact that it exists is not relevant for the notability. Widefox; talk 19:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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